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20161211 02:49:36< Polsaker> DeFender1031: maths works in the same way, -*-=+, +*+=+ ;P
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20161211 03:00:10< celticminstrel> ...how am I even supposed to parse that?
20161211 03:00:25< celticminstrel> Oh. The effect of multiplication on sign?
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20161211 05:56:27< Polsaker> yeah
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20161211 13:33:51< DeFender1031> Polsaker, of course it does. I was mostly just setting up for the "Yeah, right" thing. It's an old joke.
20161211 13:37:36< zookeeper> DeFender1031, btw, this is what i concluded to give the best ratio of compactness and elegance in this particular case: https://git.io/v1o0h
20161211 13:38:36< zookeeper> a whole lot shorter than my first iterations where i think i used [store_relative_direction] twice, etc
20161211 13:38:46< DeFender1031> hmm
20161211 13:39:38< zookeeper> in fact, i think it's almost miraculously short, considering what it does :>
20161211 13:41:37< DeFender1031> yeah, that's pretty much what I'd have done
20161211 13:42:38< DeFender1031> btw, if you're working on this scenario already, i noticed that in 1.12, the houses actually give income, and even though there's no early finish bonus, you can rack up a heck of a lot of gold if you wait out the turn counter.
20161211 13:42:58< zookeeper> really? well, maybe your mind works faster than mine, as it took me quite a while to distill it down to something that simple
20161211 13:43:07< DeFender1031> not sure if this is already fixed or not, but if not, it may be prudent to reduce village income to 0 for this scenario
20161211 13:43:58< DeFender1031> zookeeper, a loop expanding out by one each time seeing if we have a location matching what we want makes sense to find the closest matching.
20161211 13:44:21< zookeeper> of course it is
20161211 13:44:25< DeFender1031> i think i may already have done something similar elsewhere though, which may have contributed to my quick thinking
20161211 13:44:37< zookeeper> but that's the part that goes without saying
20161211 13:45:03< DeFender1031> of course, you have no way of knowing that for certain, as it's easy for me to claim after the fact that I would have thought of the given solution immediately
20161211 13:45:10< zookeeper> anyway, the villages still give income in master, but i'm pretty sure the whole campaign has messed up carryover anyway so i don't think i'm going to touch it
20161211 13:45:35< DeFender1031> no messed up, just using the old style instead of the new one
20161211 13:48:52< DeFender1031> i'm not sure the random adjacent hex thing will be correct in all cases though
20161211 13:49:43< DeFender1031> i think it's possible to have a case where the closest shroud to, say, the space south of delfy is directly north of him.
20161211 13:50:05< DeFender1031> (only with a very oddly shaped shroud, but still)
20161211 13:50:35< zookeeper> possible, sure, but unlikely was good enough for me in this case, since it won't actually break anything, just make the ghost fly around him
20161211 13:50:47< DeFender1031> true that.
20161211 13:51:47< DeFender1031> though, once you have the shrouded hex closest to delfy, it should be trivial to find which direction it is from him
20161211 13:52:01< DeFender1031> (and then just send the ghost there)
20161211 13:52:06< zookeeper> it'd also be possible for the ghost to end up in a wall, or... well, actually i'm not sure what happens if you put delfador at the map edge and get unlucky with the direction randomization
20161211 13:52:25< DeFender1031> right. hmm
20161211 13:52:39< zookeeper> i suppose i should have accounted for that
20161211 13:52:52< DeFender1031> ah, if that happens, you're screwed, the ghost won't get placed at all
20161211 13:53:35< DeFender1031> if you start from delfy and find the closest shroud, you can do some simple math to know what direction the ghost is
20161211 13:54:24< zookeeper> of course
20161211 13:54:52< DeFender1031> (IE. if $shrouded.x is less than $delfy.x, then you know it's either ne or se, which can be determined by the difference in $shrouded.y and $delfy.y, etc.)
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20161211 13:55:35< zookeeper> there's no difficulty in making it behave perfectly, only verbosity
20161211 13:56:00< zookeeper> to spot a village while on the map edge would require a very awkward route
20161211 13:57:05< zookeeper> although not impossible, i guess
20161211 13:57:45< DeFender1031> true. I still don't think that what I said would make it too verbose.
20161211 14:00:09< zookeeper> it depends. here i wanted maximal brevity because really it could just as well have no randomization whatsoever, so i don't want to have complicated code do something that essentially has no value.
20161211 14:00:40< DeFender1031> right, though if there are cases where it'll completely break, you can have issues.
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20161211 14:01:02< DeFender1031> Even if it's highly unlikely that anyone will ever encounter a certain case, it's still a good idea to handle it
20161211 14:01:13< DeFender1031> (at least IMO)
20161211 14:01:35< zookeeper> sure. i'll fix the map edge case somehow
20161211 14:02:03< zookeeper> that's the only possible point of breakage that i can see
20161211 14:03:05< DeFender1031> well, if there's a wall, the fake move and the spawn won't happen in the same spot, but meh.
20161211 14:05:26< zookeeper> maybe i should just make the fake move come from fixed coordinates, because... why not
20161211 14:05:59< zookeeper> nevermind
20161211 14:07:20< DeFender1031> because moves will delay even for offscreen movement.
20161211 14:07:31< DeFender1031> i raised this issue a year ago :P
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20161211 14:10:55< zookeeper> they do? urgh
20161211 14:11:57< DeFender1031> let me find the report
20161211 14:13:53< DeFender1031> https://gna.org/bugs/index.php?24488
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20161211 14:14:29< DeFender1031> I recall at the time you said something like "this should just be default"
20161211 14:15:52< zookeeper> that doesn't seem to have anything to do with shroud
20161211 14:16:04< DeFender1031> true
20161211 14:16:18< DeFender1031> so?
20161211 14:16:56< zookeeper> because here the bulk of the offscreen movement would be under shroud
20161211 14:17:18< DeFender1031> is it different if it's shrouded vs simply offscreen?
20161211 14:17:22< DeFender1031> i didn't think it was
20161211 14:17:28< zookeeper> how could i possibly know?
20161211 14:17:57< zookeeper> if i knew, i wouldn't say things that indicate i don't know :p
20161211 14:18:01< DeFender1031> by checking? :P But my point was, i'm pretty sure it'd be an issue here too
20161211 14:19:31< zookeeper> i have my doubts about that
20161211 14:25:22< DeFender1031> bears testing anyway.
20161211 14:25:45< zookeeper> sure
20161211 14:26:24< zookeeper> but how, with those big paws? :[
20161211 14:28:06< DeFender1031> huh?
20161211 14:28:51< zookeeper> how are the bears testing it?
20161211 14:28:56< DeFender1031> ah
20161211 14:28:59< DeFender1031> heh
20161211 14:35:09< zookeeper> bored bear barred beer - bore bare bearing?
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