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20170116 00:52:14< vultraz> jyrki: this is you, correct? https://forums.wesnoth.org/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=142034
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20170116 06:54:01< vultraz> i am not used to being on here at night and no one being around
20170116 06:54:03< vultraz> heh
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20170116 07:13:16< DeFender1031> vultraz, you in a different part of the world than usual, or are people just not here?
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20170116 07:15:39< vultraz> us east coast 
20170116 07:17:22< DeFender1031> and you're usually on the west coast?
20170116 07:19:11< vultraz> no, im usually in the middle of the pacific 
20170116 07:19:16< vultraz> gmt+11
20170116 07:19:51< vultraz> right now im in gmt-5 :P
20170116 07:23:45< DeFender1031> ah
20170116 07:24:05< DeFender1031> yeah, that is quite a change.
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20170116 07:50:50< vultraz_iOS> Ah JyrkiVesterinen is around
20170116 07:51:36< vultraz_iOS> JyrkiVesterinen: this is you correct? https://forums.wesnoth.org/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=142034
20170116 07:52:54< JyrkiVesterinen> Yes, that's my profile. Did you think someone would try to impersonate me? ;)
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20170116 08:11:23< vultraz_iOS> JyrkiVesterinen: I've added you to the dev group. Simply Standard procedure to ensure that a profile is the correct one before doing so :p
20170116 08:12:01< vultraz_iOS> Even though I was sure it was, it doesn't hurt to check
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20170116 09:20:01< vultraz_iOS> I don't think I've forgotten anyone else...
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20170116 09:58:33< irker493> wesnoth: ln-zookeeper wesnoth:master a012ccb400ac / data/core/ (22 files in 3 dirs): Added wolf variation of Walking Corpse and Soulless, by Vyncyn https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/a012ccb400acb00413bbf6fd6392e4bd07fd2f8b
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20170116 10:13:38< irker493> wesnoth: ln-zookeeper wesnoth:master 092c99de2182 / data/core/units/ (goblins/Direwolf_Rider.cfg monsters/Wolf_Dire.cfg): Fixed and tweaked Direwolf and Direwolf Rider idle animation timing https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/092c99de2182d218044cedc17ac30067affac5a2
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20170116 11:10:20< wedge009> vultraz_iOS: Strange, one would think most people are on during American time.
20170116 11:10:56< vultraz_iOS> Not in the middle of the night
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20170116 22:03:11< zookeeper> celticminstrel, i again find myself hampered by the inability to (easily) invert an alpha channel via IPF... :p
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20170116 22:14:03< zookeeper> wait, ~SWAP doesn't actually take r,g,b,a, it needs to be spelled out as red,green,blue,alpha? :x a minor inconvenience
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20170116 22:47:41< zookeeper> also ~SWAP has some bugs, it seems
20170116 22:48:59< zookeeper> "terrain/void/void-se-s-sw.png~CS(255,255,255)~SWAP(red,red,red,red)" should give a completely white image, but instead you get 0 alpha at the bits where the original image has 0 alpha
20170116 22:49:34< zookeeper> so presumably whatever handles the color information changes doesn't perform it for fully transparent pixels, i'd guess
20170116 22:51:06< zookeeper> (so probably affects a lot of other functions too)
20170116 22:52:53< Shiki> hmmm this could be related to the bug with upscaling some portraits. 
20170116 22:53:42< vultraz> downscaling, actually, I think
20170116 22:53:53< vultraz> but could be, yes
20170116 22:54:23< zookeeper> what bug? artifacts at edges?
20170116 22:55:31< Shiki> this I meant https://gna.org/bugs/index.php?25004
20170116 22:56:03< Shiki> e.g. the mage of light in the help
20170116 22:56:22< Shiki> not sure if up or down scaled 
20170116 22:56:23< zookeeper> oh right, that
20170116 22:57:25< zookeeper> yeah, maybe related, i don't know
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20170116 23:19:23< celticminstrel> Inverting alpha should be super-easy.
20170116 23:19:41< zookeeper> i agree!
20170116 23:19:59< zookeeper> it's one of the most common things i always need to do when doing masking.
20170116 23:20:14< celticminstrel> It's a bit of overkill, but maybe ~ADJUST_ALPHA(255-a) would work. A dedicated function is probably better (faster?).
20170116 23:21:42< zookeeper> or just let ~NEG do it by allowing it to take an alpha threshold?
20170116 23:22:05< celticminstrel> What does ~NEG() do again?
20170116 23:22:29< zookeeper> https://wiki.wesnoth.org/ImagePathFunctionWML#NEG:_Negative_Function
20170116 23:23:12< celticminstrel> Hmm.
20170116 23:23:33< zookeeper> so if you wanted to only invert alpha, it'd be ~NEG(255,255,255,-1) i guess
20170116 23:23:46< celticminstrel> This seems like overkill for most situations...
20170116 23:24:01< zookeeper> i'm pretty sure this is why i originally tried to get whoever implemented it to make it support alpha
20170116 23:24:29< zookeeper> anyway, letting ADJUST_ALPHA take negative values would work wonderfully too
20170116 23:24:46< celticminstrel> ADJUST_ALPHA takes a formula.
20170116 23:24:53< celticminstrel> Which is why I think it'd be slower.
20170116 23:25:55< zookeeper> doesn't sound like a big deal?
20170116 23:26:10< celticminstrel> I dunno.
20170116 23:26:29< celticminstrel> Changing NEG to support alpha looks really easy to do.
20170116 23:31:47< zookeeper> currently, when i wanted to use terrain/void/void-se-s-sw.png as an alpha mask but with the alpha inverted, i had to do ~MASK(terrain/void/void.png~CS(255,255,255)~BLIT(terrain/void/void-se-s-sw.png)~SWAP(alpha,alpha,alpha,red))
20170116 23:31:57< zookeeper> (of course there's a lot of different ways to do it, but that was one)
20170116 23:32:40< zookeeper> (and actually i can now immediately see at least one way to make it slightly shorter)
20170116 23:33:36< vultraz> eventually these more complex IPF chains should be replaced with shaders
20170116 23:34:21< zookeeper> well, that's a very far off "eventually"
20170116 23:34:30< vultraz> sadly yes
20170116 23:36:13< zookeeper> but, i have to say, IPF is a very nice and convenient system
20170116 23:36:21< vultraz> indeed
20170116 23:37:02< vultraz> in fact, I wouldn't be opposed to them being reimplemented with shader backends and keeping the user-facing functionality the same "eventually"
20170116 23:46:57< celticminstrel> No they should not be replaced with shaders.
20170116 23:47:04< celticminstrel> Implemented with shaders, maybe.
20170116 23:47:52< celticminstrel> Though most uses of them probably wouldn't benefit much from shaders?
20170116 23:48:16< celticminstrel> I mean, usually an image plus IPF chain is simply the base image for something.
20170116 23:54:35< vultraz> why should they not be replaced with shaders?
20170116 23:54:46 * zookeeper doesn't again understand the difference between ADJUST_ALPHA() and O()
20170116 23:54:56< zookeeper> i'm sure i've been wondering that before
20170116 23:56:38< vultraz> 	celticminstrel	ADJUST_ALPHA takes a formula.
20170116 23:56:54< celticminstrel> There was no difference.
20170116 23:57:00< celticminstrel> Except the input format.
20170116 23:57:10< celticminstrel> So I changed ADJUST_ALPHA to take a formula instead.
20170116 23:57:28< celticminstrel> So you could, for example, draw a graph with it.
20170116 23:57:36< zookeeper> right, that
20170116 23:57:44< zookeeper> do you have any plans to ever document that? :p
20170116 23:57:56< celticminstrel> Probably?
20170116 23:57:59< vultraz> though you *could* make ~O also take a formula
20170116 23:58:00< celticminstrel> Did I forget to?
20170116 23:58:04< celticminstrel> vultraz: No
20170116 23:58:08< celticminstrel> No point really
20170116 23:58:18< vultraz> in place of AA
20170116 23:58:29< zookeeper> i'm sure you'd remember documenting some formula stuff along with an example, no?
20170116 23:58:29< celticminstrel> You can't.
20170116 23:58:51< celticminstrel> Formula syntax is incompatible with the current O() input syntax.
20170116 23:58:55< celticminstrel> (Which is a percentage.)
20170116 23:59:53< vultraz> bah!
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