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20170120 03:35:02< celticminstrel> Hmm. We have type_tree in SUF and type_adv_tree in [hide_help], but with the same basica purpose.
20170120 03:36:44< celticminstrel> ^basic
20170120 03:43:34< vultraz> rename! rename!
20170120 03:58:14< celticminstrel> wmllint has no idea who any of the speakers are in HTTT for some reason...
20170120 04:01:00< celticminstrel> Apparently someone's wmllint is saying Wwr should change to Wstr in terrain.cfg.
20170120 04:02:39< celticminstrel> Also, the number of "unknown X" warnings is pretty insane... maybe I did this wrong?
20170120 04:03:05< celticminstrel> I think he only ran on core though, not the entire data dir.
20170120 04:03:48< celticminstrel> But anyway, does Wwr to Wstr make sense?
20170120 04:14:01< celticminstrel> wmllint crashed on schema.cfg. Well, it's probably not supposed to parse that anyway, but...
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20170120 05:03:59< wedge009> loonycyborg: If you have time, Shiki raised a question about the manpage translations: https://gna.org/bugs/index.php?25455
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20170120 13:57:11< irker093> wesnoth: loonycyborg wesnoth:master bde38f073c4c / src/server/send_receive_wml_helpers.ipp: Servers: added sanity checking of payload size in gzipped WML packets https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/bde38f073c4c393052fa79a129754ff28e8b8178
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20170120 15:25:48< loonycyborg> wedge009: I replied to the bug report
20170120 15:26:16< loonycyborg> wrt copyright year updates shadowm did it last time :P
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20170120 17:55:01< irker093> wesnoth: Nils Kneuper wesnoth:1.12 6aa645a15563 / po/wesnoth-lib/de.po: updated German translation https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/6aa645a15563a1d6497dde9dc1727b55c0648f76
20170120 17:55:07< irker093> wesnoth: Nils Kneuper wesnoth:master 20f8a62e7474 / po/wesnoth-lib/de.po: updated German translation https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/20f8a62e74740bfa3240b362ce10bdf1631e1f4d
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20170120 18:36:41< vultraz> JyrkiVesterinen: how goes your progress with the new addon manager?
20170120 18:36:56< vultraz> I see you've made a few smaller feature commits 
20170120 18:37:01< vultraz> and fixes
20170120 18:38:03< JyrkiVesterinen> I commit everything as soon as I do it. Thus, you pretty much already know how far the new addon manager is.
20170120 18:38:14< vultraz> Ah
20170120 18:38:25< JyrkiVesterinen> Next, I plan to move installing add-on dependencies to the add-on client.
20170120 18:38:55< JyrkiVesterinen> The current implementation is in the GUI1 add-on manager. If it was in the client instead, the logic would be shared between the GUI1 and GUI2 add-on managers.
20170120 18:39:04< vultraz> So the plan is to bring it up to feature parity with the old manager, switch to that, then work on improving it?
20170120 18:39:37< JyrkiVesterinen> Yes. I plan to turn on the GUI2 add-on manager as soon as it has reached feature parity with the existing one.
20170120 18:39:41< vultraz> Good idea with the dependency management, btw.
20170120 18:40:08< JyrkiVesterinen> And (as I have implied in the forums), with feature parity I mean only what actually works in the GUI1 add-on manager.
20170120 18:40:16< vultraz> That all needs to be reworked and updated (it needs to be smarter), but having it in a common place is a good start
20170120 18:40:34< JyrkiVesterinen> As soon as the GUI2 add-on manager is at least as functional as the GUI1 one, turning it on is an improvement.
20170120 18:40:48< vultraz> Well, considering there is no longer a dedicated Description dialog, it's only options that's missing
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20170120 18:40:57< vultraz> So that;s already a plus
20170120 18:41:11< zookeeper> vultraz, when shall you be back?
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20170120 18:43:26< vultraz> zookeeper: as soon as I figure out these issues I've been having with my new laptop I can set up my dev environment again
20170120 18:44:12< vultraz> which will probably occur before i return island-side
20170120 18:45:58< vultraz> zookeeper: in the meantime I'm "back" as far as being here is concerned 
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20170120 19:16:44< zookeeper> vultraz, ah, i see
20170120 19:20:04< vultraz> zookeeper: is there something you need me for>
20170120 19:20:06< vultraz> ?
20170120 19:21:08< zookeeper> no, i just need to know when to start reminding you about things to fix :J
20170120 19:22:20< vultraz> you could also fix them :P
20170120 19:26:23< zookeeper> but everyone wants the chance to fix bugs they introduced themselves instead of risking feeling bad about others having to do it for them, and naturally i wouldn't want to deny you that when there is no release imminent
20170120 19:26:39< irker093> wesnoth: Allefant wesnoth:master f904306b58aa / data/tools/unit_tree/update-wmlunits: [wmlunits] use scons as cmake seems broken right now https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/f904306b58aa3e95888bde32dc63737860582956
20170120 19:26:41< irker093> wesnoth: elias-pschernig wesnoth:master a6ba51fc05ad / data/tools/unit_tree/update-wmlunits: Merge pull request #914 from elias-pschernig/wmlunits https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/a6ba51fc05ad682ac54b1028f4dd4b9acd8c0897
20170120 19:30:11< vultraz> oh, such as what>
20170120 19:30:13< vultraz> ?
20170120 19:32:10< celticminstrel> Really?
20170120 19:32:27< celticminstrel> I don't really mind people fixing bugs I introduced...
20170120 19:32:51< celticminstrel> If they're brought to my attention though, I will try to fix them, since I generally have some inkling of the cause.
20170120 19:33:01< zookeeper> vultraz, the blonde TC/palette/whatever thing in test scenario, and the DiD:11 guardians
20170120 19:33:12< JyrkiVesterinen> I always feel bad if I break something so badly that someone else needs to fix it.
20170120 19:33:13< celticminstrel> For me the reason for getting people to fix their own bugs is more that they're likely more familiar with that area of the code.
20170120 19:33:41< celticminstrel> Huh, Travis is far behind.
20170120 19:34:10< JyrkiVesterinen> It's odd how much behind it is, given that the commit rate has been very slow.
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20170120 19:34:12< celticminstrel> So zookeeper, does it seem correct to change aliasof=Ct,Wwr to Wstr?
20170120 19:34:20< celticminstrel> Yeah.
20170120 19:34:26< zookeeper> what is Wstr?
20170120 19:34:35< vultraz> zookeeper: the former is i;m guessing a format that can be considered deprecated immediately and the latter you can fix easily
20170120 19:34:40< celticminstrel> I have no idea. This is a wmllint-suggested change.
20170120 19:35:17< zookeeper> vultraz, why are you telling me these things? i merely answered your question
20170120 19:35:30< zookeeper> celticminstrel, sounds bogus then, i don't recall ever seeing Wstr
20170120 19:35:36< celticminstrel> Okay.
20170120 19:35:38< zookeeper> but surely you've checked?
20170120 19:35:45< zookeeper> it takes like 5 seconds
20170120 19:35:55< zookeeper> there
20170120 19:36:00< zookeeper> no such thing in terrain.cfg
20170120 19:36:14< vultraz> there is no Wstr
20170120 19:36:30< celticminstrel> Hmm, so the problem is in wmllint then...
20170120 19:36:31< vultraz> wmllint thinks wr -> str is a change for some reason
20170120 19:37:27< celticminstrel> I see Wwr->Wrt in the wmllint data.
20170120 19:38:15< celticminstrel> Oh, I see.
20170120 19:38:23< celticminstrel> Ww->Wst
20170120 19:38:47< vultraz> oh, ok, I was off
20170120 19:42:25< zookeeper> it doesn't check those case-sensitive?
20170120 19:42:40< celticminstrel> It's not about case-sensitivity.
20170120 19:42:47< zookeeper> err, i guess i mislooked
20170120 19:42:47< celticminstrel> I think it probably is case-sensitive.
20170120 19:43:02< celticminstrel> I think I have a fix ready.
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20170120 19:44:31< celticminstrel> With the fix it now changes them to Wrt instead of Wwr.
20170120 19:44:43< celticminstrel> Sorry, I mean it changes Wwr to Wrt.
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20170120 19:44:46< celticminstrel> Instead of Wstr
20170120 19:46:09< zookeeper> wasn't the cause the WW->Ws conversion?
20170120 19:46:19< zookeeper> err
20170120 19:46:23< zookeeper> Ww->Wst
20170120 19:46:26< celticminstrel> Yes.
20170120 19:46:31< zookeeper> right, okay
20170120 19:46:37< celticminstrel> I made it only replace "whole words".
20170120 19:46:56< celticminstrel> So Wwr doesn't match Ww.
20170120 19:47:32< celticminstrel> I'm not entirely sure if that's correct though.
20170120 19:47:35< zookeeper> i'd expect Ww->Ws to have led to a bunch of other mistakes too
20170120 19:48:08< zookeeper> yes limiting it to whole words makes sense, although i don't know what all the possible delimiters are
20170120 19:48:38< celticminstrel> Looks like all these rules are to replace the former base terrain with the new "archetype" terrain.
20170120 19:48:55< zookeeper> yeah
20170120 19:48:59< zookeeper> (so it seems, anyway)
20170120 19:49:02< celticminstrel> So I guess there shouldn't be any cases where something like Chx needs to be changed to Ct.
20170120 19:52:21< celticminstrel> Hmm, ~NEG()'s syntax is a little terrible.
20170120 19:54:37< celticminstrel> I don't like the magic -1, for starters, and secondly I wonder if it should accept percentages.
20170120 19:55:31< celticminstrel> Unrelated to the slightly terrible syntax, adding alpha support could mean that ~NEG(255,-1) inverts alpha but none of the colour channels.
20170120 19:55:49< celticminstrel> Anyone thing accepting percentages is a good idea?
20170120 19:56:00< celticminstrel> ^think
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20170120 19:59:29< zookeeper> umm, dunno. maybe someone finds percentages more comfortable, but i'm rather stuck with thinking about everything as 0..255
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20170120 20:00:11< celticminstrel> Percentages are more flexible. Though I suppose it's not very likely that Wesnoth will move beyond 32-bit colour.
20170120 20:00:26< celticminstrel> So maybe it doesn't matter that much.
20170120 20:00:41< celticminstrel> (eg 64-bit colour where everything is 0..32767.)
20170120 20:00:56< celticminstrel> (I think the 32-bit colour may be a limitation of SDL?)
20170120 20:01:36< zookeeper> i'm not sure why ~NEG even has that rgb threshold thing. has anyone ever wanted to use it for something?
20170120 20:01:49< celticminstrel> I'm not sure.
20170120 20:02:14< celticminstrel> Personally I don't see any reason to pass values other than 255 or -1.
20170120 20:02:38< celticminstrel> Inverting a single colour channel seems like a valid use-case to me.
20170120 20:02:56< zookeeper> yeah
20170120 20:03:05< zookeeper> Elvish_Hunter, ^ ?
20170120 20:03:15< celticminstrel> Why Elvish_Hunter?
20170120 20:03:20< zookeeper> because he implemented ~NEG
20170120 20:03:29< zookeeper> not sure if he did the thresholds too, but probably
20170120 20:03:34< celticminstrel> Did he?
20170120 20:03:44< celticminstrel> I thought he just did python stuff like wmllint.
20170120 20:06:08< celticminstrel> ~NEG(red,alpha) could be a good syntax if you don't need the thresholds.
20170120 20:06:23< zookeeper> sure
20170120 20:06:33< zookeeper> some relevant discussion of when it was first added: https://www.wesnoth.org/irclogs/2015/03/%23wesnoth-dev.2015-03-12.log
20170120 20:06:46< celticminstrel> ~NEG() would still mean ~NEG(red,greeb,blue)
20170120 20:06:56< celticminstrel> Without the typo.
20170120 20:07:56< celticminstrel> It's clear from that that Elvish_Hunter didn't do the threshold stuff.
20170120 20:08:17< zookeeper> thresholds were added later, so how is it clear?
20170120 20:08:30< celticminstrel> Well, it's clear he didn't do it when he implemented NEG(), at least.
20170120 20:08:34< zookeeper> sure
20170120 20:08:39< celticminstrel> It doesn't rule out him doing it later, I guess.
20170120 20:09:03< celticminstrel> Though it suggests he didn't, based on his comments. But that kind of thing can change.
20170120 20:09:29< zookeeper> well, he did: http://git.io/vTekk
20170120 20:09:54< celticminstrel> Solarization...
20170120 20:10:00< zookeeper> of course i have no idea how he ended up deciding to do that
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20170120 20:12:44< zookeeper> a general-purpose function for modifying individual channels as iceiceice suggests in the aforementioned log could be nice.
20170120 20:13:47< zookeeper> for each channel, you could set it to a fixed value (such as 0), or invert it, or copy from another channel
20170120 20:14:50< celticminstrel> I don't get why he was worried about jpg not supporting alpha. The images aren't stored in memory as jpg.
20170120 20:14:55< zookeeper> actually, looks like Elvish_Hunter first suggested that (at least in the way i'm referring to)
20170120 20:15:52< celticminstrel> You mean like that ~CHANNEL() proposal?
20170120 20:15:57< zookeeper> yeah, exactly
20170120 20:16:21< celticminstrel> Hmm.
20170120 20:17:28< zookeeper> i'm willing to believe if someone says that it could be hard to do, but... it'd be the only function anyone would ever need for channel operations like that. i don't know why people like to add special-purpose functions instead of one that can do them all.
20170120 20:19:04< celticminstrel> I guess such a function would be able to implement BLEND, BW, CS, GS, NEG, SWAP, possibly SEPIA.
20170120 20:20:32< celticminstrel> ~BL() is listed on the wiki but has no description.
20170120 20:20:47< zookeeper> dunno about BLEND
20170120 20:21:11< zookeeper> but yeah, it could do all of those
20170120 20:21:34< zookeeper> which isn't to say that shortcuts like GS aren't still nice to have
20170120 20:21:51< celticminstrel> I'm not quite sure what BLEND does, maybe multiply?
20170120 20:22:20< celticminstrel> CS appears to be addition.
20170120 20:23:01< zookeeper> i think i know what BLEND does and it's a concept i'm familiar with, but i'm not sure how to describe it in english :p
20170120 20:23:34< zookeeper> but that's not important
20170120 20:24:08< celticminstrel> ~ADJUST_COLOR(blue / 2, red * 7, green, alpha)
20170120 20:24:25< celticminstrel> I guess multiplying by 7 is asking for trouble, but still.
20170120 20:24:59< celticminstrel> Called ADJUST_COLOR to mirror the similar ADJUST_ALPHA.
20170120 20:26:08< vultraz> why not allow adjust color to deal with alpha
20170120 20:26:42< celticminstrel> That sounds nonsensical to me (alpha is not colour).
20170120 20:26:54< zookeeper> what
20170120 20:27:23< zookeeper> first vultraz says something that doesn't make sense because obviously the example line deals with alpha, then celticminstrel confirms and contradicts his own example
20170120 20:27:34< zookeeper> what am i missing here?
20170120 20:27:40< celticminstrel> I'm confusing myself.
20170120 20:27:45< zookeeper> :P
20170120 20:28:06< celticminstrel> So maybe ADJUST_COLOR wouldn't consider alpha, I suppose.
20170120 20:28:23< zookeeper> no no no no why does everyone want to ignore alpha
20170120 20:28:28< celticminstrel> Or it could be called ADJUST or something and consider all four, and then we could remove ADJUST_ALPHA, but...
20170120 20:28:35< zookeeper> why not just call it CHANNEL?
20170120 20:28:42< zookeeper> (or a suitable shorthand)
20170120 20:28:51< celticminstrel> Well, I guess there's reason for a single IPF to handle all four though.
20170120 20:28:55< vultraz> I don't want to ignore alpha
20170120 20:28:56< zookeeper> ~4CHAN
20170120 20:29:02< vultraz> p_p
20170120 20:29:09< zookeeper> *trollface*
20170120 20:29:14< vultraz> NEIN
20170120 20:29:15< celticminstrel> If you're forced to combine ADJUST_COLOR and ADJUST_ALPHA, there will be things you can't do, for example swapping the red and alpha channels.
20170120 20:31:01< zookeeper> better to just write a new one from scratch and make it able to deal with everything, instead of planning to combine existing functions into it somehow
20170120 20:32:12< celticminstrel> The implementation of ADUST_ALPHA is fairly trivially extended to handle colour channels.
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20170120 20:32:37< celticminstrel> Do we even need ADJUST_ALPHA? I could just make that extension and then rename it.
20170120 20:33:05< zookeeper> uhh, what does ADJUST_ALPHA have to do with this? it can do nothing more than scale the value
20170120 20:34:19< celticminstrel> According to the wiki (which is out-of-date), the only difference between ~O() and ADJUST_ALPHA is that the latter sets alpha to an exact value, whereas the former takes a percentage.
20170120 20:34:53< celticminstrel> (ADJUST_ALPHA also takes a percentage if the % is included, but ~O() always takes a percentage; either with the %, or in the 0..1 range.)
20170120 20:35:14< celticminstrel> So, removing ADJUST_ALPHA should be fine, right?
20170120 20:35:47< zookeeper> we're talking about a general-purpose channel-modifying function which can set, swap, invert and who knows what, and now you're suggesting that we do that by using a function that can do... almost none of those things?
20170120 20:36:22< celticminstrel> No, you're assuming the wiki is correct on what ADJUST_ALPHA does. It was never updated when I changed it.
20170120 20:36:40< celticminstrel> It sets alpha based on a formula.
20170120 20:36:57< celticminstrel> So you could do ~ADJUST_ALPHA(red) to copy the red channel to the alpha channel, IIRC.
20170120 20:37:08< zookeeper> hmmh
20170120 20:37:10< zookeeper> right
20170120 20:38:25< zookeeper> well, uh, sure by all means use ADJUST_ALPHA as a starting point if it makes things easier. but of course there's no need to remove ADJUST_ALPHA just because you're adding a new function based on it.
20170120 20:40:15< zookeeper> so would formulas make sense and work sufficiently well in this context? what kind of formula would you need to use to invert a channel, for example?
20170120 20:42:42< celticminstrel> Invert is 255-red IIRC
20170120 20:42:46< celticminstrel> Or possibly 256-red
20170120 20:43:01< zookeeper> ah, right. yeah, sounds right
20170120 20:43:06< celticminstrel> Hmm, the former seems the more correct.
20170120 20:43:28< zookeeper> so, let's say that you wanted to copy blue channel to red channel and invert alpha, then it'd be ADJUST_COLOR(blue,green,blue,255-alpha)?
20170120 20:43:42< celticminstrel> Yeah.
20170120 20:44:03< celticminstrel> Unless I used single-character channels.
20170120 20:44:12< celticminstrel> But the general idea still holds.3
20170120 20:44:55< zookeeper> sounds good to me, although i think ADJUST_COLOR is a misleading name because alpha ain't a color
20170120 20:45:29< celticminstrel> It's true that I don't need to remove ADJUST_ALPHA just because I'm adding a new function based on it, but it's slightly easier to simply evolve ADJUST_ALPHA into the new function. It seems valid to me because ADJUST_ALPHA was only added in 1.13.0, but if you strongly disagree, I'll leave it in.
20170120 20:45:45< zookeeper> and it doesn't need to be called ADJUST_COLOR just to mimic ADJUST_ALPHA, so... CHANNEL? that's a bit long though, and i still think 4CHAN would be funny... :>
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20170120 20:46:05< zookeeper> ADJUST_ALPHA is only used by one 1.13 add-on currently
20170120 20:46:06< celticminstrel> Heh. I was thinking CHAN
20170120 20:46:27< zookeeper> CHAN is fine, could even be CH i suppose
20170120 20:46:57< celticminstrel> I suppose ADJUST_ALPHA could still be useful when you want to adjust only alpha and leave the colour channels untouched.
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20170120 20:47:47< vultraz> 1.13.0?
20170120 20:47:49< vultraz> uh
20170120 20:49:19< celticminstrel> Yes vultraz?
20170120 20:49:38< vultraz> it was later wasn't it
20170120 20:49:46< vultraz> or was that just when you added the formula
20170120 20:49:56< celticminstrel> I added the formula later.
20170120 20:50:04< celticminstrel> Initially it was almost a duplicate of ~O().
20170120 20:50:21< celticminstrel> Well, not really a duplicate I guess - ~O() cannot set alpha to an exact value.
20170120 20:52:23< celticminstrel> I did not use single-character channels.
20170120 20:52:40< celticminstrel> The variables available in the formula are x, y, red, green, blue, alpha, height, width.
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20170120 20:55:43< celticminstrel> I think this should do it. I'll test it later, I guess.
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