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20170121 20:58:46< irker548> wesnoth: Jyrki Vesterinen wesnoth:master dc71d9d671ca / / (9 files in 7 dirs): WIP: make the add-on list a widget https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/dc71d9d671cac28b1152053f494027801605ff56
20170121 21:04:10< celticminstrel> Eh? :O
20170121 21:04:49< JyrkiVesterinen> The commit message explains the reason:
20170121 21:04:51< JyrkiVesterinen> "The purpose of this change is ability to create more dialogs which present
20170121 21:04:51< JyrkiVesterinen> a list of add-ons, such as a GUI2 version of the "Install Dependencies"
20170121 21:04:51< JyrkiVesterinen> dialog."
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20170121 21:05:27< vultraz> :D
20170121 21:05:34< JyrkiVesterinen> GUI1 add-on manager shows such a dialog if you try to install an add-on with dependencies (e.g. Bad Moon Rising).
20170121 21:05:57< JyrkiVesterinen> And it allows the player to skip installing dependencies if he/she doesn't want them.
20170121 21:06:33< JyrkiVesterinen> The GUI1 "Install Dependencies" dialog needs to be replaced with a GUI2 implementation at some point.
20170121 21:06:54< JyrkiVesterinen> And I'd much rather share the add-on list code with the add-on manager instead of duplicating it.
20170121 21:07:20< DeFender1031> allowing the user to skip installing dependencies has always seemed like a strange feature to me
20170121 21:08:20< vultraz> we need both optional and mandatory dependencies 
20170121 21:09:19< DeFender1031> pretty sure the optional ones are currently mostly implemented as a note in the description that says "if you also have whatever other add on installed, it will be made use of"
20170121 21:09:28< DeFender1031> (usually for music packs IIRC)
20170121 21:11:53< vultraz> yes, but doesn't mean we can't make a more complex system
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20170121 21:20:34< DeFender1031> oh, I agree
20170121 21:21:34< DeFender1031> just saying that since the system seems to be mostly used for mandatory dependencies currently, it seems strange that there's an option to skip them.
20170121 21:22:14< gfgtdf> DeFender1031: well the option doesnt hurt, so even if there is just 1 optnal addon its a good thinf to have
20170121 21:22:58< DeFender1031> not sure i follow
20170121 21:24:21< gfgtdf> DeFender1031: the number of optional addons is not really a reason  for removing the skip addon button
20170121 21:24:39< gfgtdf> DeFender1031: i also was already  in the situation that i wanted to download an addon just to look at its code not ot play it, so i really didnt need those 'maditory' dependencies eigher
20170121 21:27:37< DeFender1031> i never said anything about the number of optional add ons. As for wanting to look at code, it seems to me that you can grab stuff manually through the server's web interface if you want the code, and that the in-game interfaces should be for people to actually use whatever it is and as foolproof as possible.
20170121 21:29:36< JyrkiVesterinen> I can imagine something like a command-line parameter to unlock ability to skip mandatory dependencies.
20170121 21:29:55< DeFender1031> sounds legit
20170121 21:30:14< DeFender1031> or perhaps just debug mode does that automatically
20170121 21:30:21< JyrkiVesterinen> For now, though, I'm simply trying to follow the GUI1 add-on manager.
20170121 21:30:53< JyrkiVesterinen> (As soon as I get back to it, that is. There is a bunch of lower-level stuff that I need to do first, as the commit message explains.)
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20170121 21:31:04< DeFender1031> obviously. this is just brainstorming at the moment. Makes sense to avoid scope creep and finish the current project before working in a new one.
20170121 21:31:31< gfgtdf> DeFender1031: the web interface requires me to unpack it manually which is annying, speially for these .tar.gz files which require me todo unpacking twihce (once for .gz and once for .tar)
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20170121 21:32:09< travis-ci> wesnoth/wesnoth#12564 (master - dc71d9d : Jyrki Vesterinen): The build was broken.
20170121 21:32:09< travis-ci> Build details : https://travis-ci.org/wesnoth/wesnoth/builds/194082112
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20170121 21:32:14< DeFender1031> gfgtdf, whatever you're using for unarchiving doesn't do it all at once?
20170121 21:32:24< vultraz> normal users should never have to use the web interface
20170121 21:32:40< gfgtdf> DeFender1031: no unpack "aa.tar.gz" creates "aa.tar"
20170121 21:32:48< DeFender1031> vultraz, we know. gfgtdf was talking about for looking at code, which is not a "normal user" thing to do.
20170121 21:33:13< DeFender1031> gfgtdf, you don't have a GUI that you can just click on a tar.gz file and have it unpack?
20170121 21:34:40< gfgtdf> DeFender1031: also i sure want to have contorl over the addons i install, in particular i have seen 1) 'bad' addons that do signifuianctly increae loading times due to badly written wml, 2) addons that have other addons of the same authors as a dependency just to promote them
20170121 21:35:51< gfgtdf> DeFender1031: when i double click it opens a file broweder view to similar to normal explirer but it doesnt unpack thme to disk
20170121 21:36:02< DeFender1031> 2 should be a moderator thing... (how is the add-on server moderated, anyway?) as for 1, if it's a true dependency, then badly written or not, the game might not run at all without it.
20170121 21:36:06< irker548> wesnoth: Jyrki Vesterinen wesnoth:master 67330a1c0aba / src/gui/widgets/addon_list.cpp: Fix build with compilers other than Visual Studio https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/67330a1c0abad706b720f42561a32fd04122a2dd
20170121 21:36:14< JyrkiVesterinen> Accidentally using Microsoft extensions...
20170121 21:36:35< vultraz> what was wrong with that code
20170121 21:36:46< DeFender1031> gfgtdf, i dunno, i have an item in the right-click menu when i click on a tar.gz
20170121 21:37:23< JyrkiVesterinen> vultraz: std::exception doesn't have a constructor from std::string. Except with Microsoft's C++ standard library.
20170121 21:37:31< DeFender1031> gfgtdf, anyway, I liked JyrkiVesterinen's solution of having a command-line option that turns mandatory ones optional, but otherwise they automatically download.
20170121 21:37:32< vultraz> heh
20170121 21:38:29< gfgtdf> DeFender1031: no way, 1) at lest make the user confirm that he still wants to doanload that addon with those depndency, 2) better make it a preference option
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20170121 21:39:04< vultraz> more preference options...
20170121 21:42:45< gfgtdf> vultraz: hmm yes but commandline options just suck.. i mean whenever i createa  new windows link to wesnoth i have to add all the standard comnaldine options to them in the link command
20170121 21:43:03< vultraz> yes commandline options suck
20170121 21:47:43< gfgtdf> and for (1): this is mostly for the size information, whne i click downlading on a 1mp adon then i want to be sure it is only 1mp and not 100mb, this is specially important when i have only ~50mb on disk size or internet data left.
20170121 21:48:31< DeFender1031> gfgtdf, 1. i never said it should install silently. I just think that the default behavior should be that you download an add-on along with its mandatory dependencies or not at all. 2. that makes as much sense, as long as it's configurable in some way and the default is to include mandatories without offering an option for partial install.
20170121 21:49:14< DeFender1031> i would think that in "All-or-nothing" mode, it's give a window saying "the following additional add-ons need to be installed, do you wish to continue?" with a list.
20170121 21:50:01< DeFender1031> whereas in "allow partial" mode, that list would be selectable and have a slightly different message
20170121 21:50:15< DeFender1031> (and obviously in either mode, the optional dependencies would still be selectable)
20170121 21:52:00< vultraz> Does anyone have any objections to dropping :sunset
20170121 21:52:49< gfgtdf> vultraz: no i don't i think the one he reported it used sunset, so he might know a reason to keep it
20170121 21:53:06< gfgtdf> the one who*
20170121 21:53:40< gfgtdf> do we have some plan about what to do with LoW campaign? it seems unmaintained and bugs like  http://gna.org/bugs/?25411 appear.
20170121 21:56:43< gfgtdf> vultraz: assuming you ask that becasue of the recently reported bug with sunset.
20170121 21:56:51< vultraz> yes
20170121 21:57:06< vultraz> i propose just removing it
20170121 21:59:26< gfgtdf> yeah, id say give teh reporter a chance to expling why he used it in the first  place before removing it
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20170121 22:05:19< DeFender1031> what is sunset?
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20170121 22:05:45< DeFender1031> (I mean in context. Obviously I know what it actually is.)
20170121 22:06:30< gfgtdf> DeFender1031: a debug tool that makes the window wareas darker as they get less upated, (similar to the bug in the current gui2 mp staging window)
20170121 22:06:41< gfgtdf> areas*
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20170121 22:21:20< vultraz> it's likely he saw the command listed and decided to try it out
20170121 22:25:25< DeFender1031> vultraz, huh?
20170121 22:25:38< DeFender1031> should I not try it?
20170121 22:26:19< vultraz> sure try it but it't  not really uswful
20170121 22:26:23< vultraz> useful
20170121 22:28:28< DeFender1031> interesting...
20170121 22:28:43< DeFender1031> is it not useful for people working on rendering optimization?
20170121 22:29:11< vultraz> not really
20170121 22:29:28< DeFender1031> it's also a weird name for such a command...
20170121 22:29:32< DeFender1031> vultraz, why not?
20170121 22:29:38< vultraz> not sure
20170121 22:29:52< DeFender1031> then how do you know it's not useful?
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20170121 22:40:01< vultraz> it doesn't seem useful
20170121 22:40:18< vultraz> it's not really rendering anything just drawing a darkened rectangle 
20170121 22:47:32< DeFender1031> i know. but it's highlighting the areas of the screen which are being updated so that people working on graphics have a visual indicator of where the high-traffic graphics are
20170121 22:47:45< DeFender1031> that does seem useful to me
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20170121 22:49:04< travis-ci> wesnoth/wesnoth#12565 (master - 67330a1 : Jyrki Vesterinen): The build was fixed.
20170121 22:49:04< travis-ci> Build details : https://travis-ci.org/wesnoth/wesnoth/builds/194088024
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20170121 22:58:12< vultraz> DeFender1031: well, possibly. 
20170121 22:58:18< vultraz> I'll consider
20170121 22:58:26< vultraz> anyway, any progress on the string utils?
20170121 23:02:02< DeFender1031> i have a new version of the basic split working along with some template magic that allows the usage i suggested instead of having separate functions for different container types
20170121 23:04:35< vultraz> was the current re-implementation of split not good enough? :(
20170121 23:04:44< DeFender1031> huh?
20170121 23:04:57< DeFender1031> the idea is the template stuff
20170121 23:05:30< vultraz> ah ok
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20170121 23:06:44< gfgtdf> DeFender1031: maybe you coudl have the strign type a template aswell, so that it can also replace https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/blob/master/src/server/game.cpp#L49 without performance regressions 
20170121 23:08:28< DeFender1031> so you can do "str_split<std::deque<string> >(somestring)" and get back a deque, or "str_split<std::set<string> >" to get a set, and it all uses the same logic internally, rather than what we currently have, which basically runs the split on a vector then loops through the vector inserting it into whatever other type you want.
20170121 23:09:20< DeFender1031> gfgtdf, i'm about to crash right now, and i'm not sure what that code has to do with what i'm doing.
20170121 23:09:37< gfgtdf> DeFender1031: it is a split implentation
20170121 23:09:43< vultraz> would be better to keep the name split
20170121 23:10:10< DeFender1031> vultraz, i disagree. "split" is not indicative of WHAT is being split.
20170121 23:10:38< DeFender1031> either way though, at the moment, i left the existing split() in there until i'm ready to switch over and have tested my stuff.
20170121 23:11:39< DeFender1031> gfgtdf, interesting... i'll look into splitting the template code up further to allow that.
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