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20170104 11:18:36-!- mode/#wesnoth [-b *!*@*114.125.80.142] by Soliton
20170104 11:18:43-!- mode/#wesnoth [-b *!*@*114.125.*] by Soliton
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20170104 11:19:30< zookeeper> brace yourselves.
20170104 11:20:06 * Soliton puts on seat belt.
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20170104 19:08:05< asdf_> Some units seem to me to be, like, well... super weak. And I mean lv 3 units. I wonder if it's just me nitpicking, or if this is a real issue...
20170104 19:08:40< asdf_> For example, Ranger. Infinitely worse than lv 3 Elf Avenger
20170104 19:15:10< zookeeper> hardly infinitely, maybe just definitely :p
20170104 19:18:25< zookeeper> not all units of the same level need to be equally good. in this case... i'd think of it as legolas beating robin hood because of course a scruffy woodsman just isn't gonna be as good as a woodself.
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20170104 19:20:48< DeFender1031> Right, and it's compensated for by the combination of other units.
20170104 19:21:05< DeFender1031> The game would be boring if every unit had the same stats.
20170104 19:25:22< zookeeper> and elves are supposed to be exceptionally good in forests and archery and all that stuff, so that needs to actually be true stats-wise too
20170104 19:28:16< asdf_> I don't want all lv3 units to have same stats... but I thought it'd be nice if each unit would have its very own niche that would make him actually usefull in comparision to other units
20170104 19:29:02< asdf_> So, I'd think it perhaps is not a good idea to make unit A in almost all possible ways worse than unit B
20170104 19:29:55< asdf_> Why don't give Ranger some kind of a perk that would make him something more that a poor man's E.Avenger?
20170104 19:30:05< asdf_> *than
20170104 19:30:14< zookeeper> well whether the ranger has a nice depends on context, as in what other units you have available
20170104 19:30:20< zookeeper> s/nice/niche
20170104 19:31:23< zookeeper> if a campaign designer gives you both rangers and elvish rangers, then they probably shouldn't. but if rangers is all you get, then surely they have a pretty clear role.
20170104 19:32:36< zookeeper> that said, sure it's nice to differentiate units with unique perks, but there's not too many genuinely good ideas floating around that would make sense.
20170104 19:32:57< asdf_> Inspired by Dead Water, I was thinking of giving Ranger his own version of Plague
20170104 19:33:11< asdf_> If Ranger kills a beast, instead he tames that beast
20170104 19:33:54< asdf_> So, with a Ranger, we can for example grow our own flock of Vampire Bats, provided that the enemy sends them on us
20170104 19:34:12< asdf_> Or killing a Wolf Rider would give us a Wolf
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20170104 19:36:24< zookeeper> eh, too esoteric and too big a can of worms in all sorts of ways for the core ranger. might work in a campaign in other limited contexts, of course.
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20170104 19:42:55< asdf_> Or make both Ranger and Huntsman require only 1 upkeep, despite being lv 3 units - after all, they can hunt game, so they can support their army's economy
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20170104 19:47:23< Gambit> Getting nostalgic for the time when I wasn't a lazy shit: https://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=34926
20170104 19:48:17< Gambit> Now I'm just a bitter old liberal shitposter watching the world die around him as he slaves away his life away making other people money
20170104 19:48:36< Gambit> sigh
20170104 19:49:04< zookeeper> i'm sure there's worse autobiographies out there
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20170104 19:50:24< Gambit> I wish I could force myself back into enjoying creating things that made people happy
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20170104 20:00:15< zookeeper> then the proper course is clear: you shall begin creating things that people hate. treadmill bikes and useless boxes.
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20170104 20:02:33< Gambit> internet of things appliances that break with mandatory automatically installed software updates
20170104 20:02:51< Gambit> lightbulbs that don't turn on when they lose connection to your router
20170104 20:03:16< zookeeper> good, good
20170104 20:04:35< zookeeper> or how about just really long wesnoth survivals with game-breaking bugs in the very end?
20170104 20:09:17< Gambit> oh snap
20170104 20:09:25< Gambit> Survival Xtreme
20170104 20:09:41< Gambit> Suddenly a very large chunk of my life and memories comes flooding back to me.
20170104 20:10:14< Gambit> That was a fun mod. I put a bunch of time into making sure mine was compatible with it just in case you wanted a really crazy game of Wesnoth.
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20170104 21:47:11< zookeeper> Gambit, wanna test a dumb isar's survival thing i made today?
20170104 21:48:49< Gambit> I would if I wasn't at work and even had a working copy of Wesnoth at home.
20170104 21:49:01< Gambit> Though the latter is easily rectified and I do get to leave in about 12 minutes.
20170104 21:49:09< zookeeper> ah, i see
20170104 21:49:31< Gambit> So possibly in like... 2 hours maybe?
20170104 21:49:39< Gambit> Depending on download and compile time.
20170104 21:49:51< zookeeper> well, it's a survival that's currently only 7 turns long so i think i've finished by then... and i'm hopefully going to be asleep in 2 hours anyway
20170104 21:50:24< Gambit> ah bummer
20170104 21:50:40< Gambit> I think I'll get Wesnoth tonight anyway though. I've been having some cravings.
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20170104 23:03:08< zookeeper> no worries... i don't think anyone enjoyed it :>
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