--- Log opened Sat Mar 04 00:00:45 2017
20170304 00:04:08< vultraz_iOS> ~ADJUST_ALPHA(ceil(255 - v) where v = x / (width / 255))
20170304 00:04:09< vultraz_iOS> blah
20170304 00:04:14< vultraz_iOS> i thought this would work but it does not :(
20170304 00:05:06< celticminstrel> ?
20170304 00:05:38< vultraz_iOS> it doesn't work to apply the gradient to the whole image
20170304 00:05:43< celticminstrel> Um...
20170304 00:06:04< celticminstrel> Scaling usually means multiplying by something...
20170304 00:06:08< celticminstrel> So...
20170304 00:06:28< celticminstrel> If you have a number in the range 1..n but you need a number in the range 1..m...
20170304 00:06:44< celticminstrel> Then you should divide by n and multiply by m, right?
20170304 00:06:53< celticminstrel> ie, multiply by m/n.
20170304 00:07:45< celticminstrel> In this case n is the widge of the image and m is 255, so you at least got the scaling factor right, but used it wrong.
20170304 00:07:51< celticminstrel> I think.
20170304 00:20:19< vultraz_iOS> well, in which case, ~ADJUST_ALPHA(255 - (ceil(x / width * 255))) should work
20170304 00:20:20< vultraz_iOS> should it not
20170304 00:21:13< celticminstrel> Um... swap the / and * I think.
20170304 00:21:57< vultraz_iOS> well that doesn't work either :|
20170304 00:22:23< vultraz_iOS> the first version doesn't seem to do anything, and the second version only does part of the image
20170304 00:23:53< vultraz_iOS> also, you said divide by n and multiply by m. and if n is indeed the width, the operators should be in the right place :/
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20170304 00:24:52< vultraz_iOS> oh, hm..
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20170304 00:25:02< vultraz_iOS> I wonder if the problem is the ceil() call
20170304 00:26:00< vultraz_iOS> look at the the yield for a 510-width image: pixel 100 gives a value of 50, pixel 101 gives a value of 50.5.
20170304 00:26:41< vultraz_iOS> s/pixel/x
20170304 00:26:57< vultraz_iOS> but we want both to return 50, right
20170304 00:27:08< celticminstrel> You just described floor().
20170304 00:27:25< celticminstrel> If you want 50.5 to become 51, that's ceil().
20170304 00:27:37< vultraz_iOS> I know
20170304 00:27:42< vultraz_iOS> problem is floor isn't working either :|
20170304 00:27:54< vultraz_iOS> oh wait
20170304 00:27:59< vultraz_iOS> I'm using your sign switch
20170304 00:28:05< celticminstrel> Oh, I guess your operators are in the right place, yeah, sorry.
20170304 00:28:29< vultraz_iOS> well that doesn't work either :|
20170304 00:28:35< celticminstrel> But generally I'd recommend multiplying first, then dividing.
20170304 00:30:06< vultraz_iOS> I just realized this is the same formula for finding percentage :|
20170304 00:31:04< vultraz_iOS> but anyway
20170304 00:31:12< vultraz_iOS> image isn't gradient-ized
20170304 00:31:34< celticminstrel> Well, finding percentage is a form of scaling, right?
20170304 00:31:52< vultraz_iOS> yes
20170304 00:31:53< celticminstrel> What do you mean by "image isn't gradient-sized"?
20170304 00:31:59< vultraz_iOS> ized
20170304 00:32:01< vultraz_iOS> not sized
20170304 00:32:02< celticminstrel> BTW this has nothing to do with gradients/
20170304 00:32:04< celticminstrel> Oh.
20170304 00:32:37< vultraz_iOS> and yes it does. isn't this applying an alpha gradient :|
20170304 00:34:54< vultraz_iOS> but whatever it's called, doesn't seem to explain why it isn't working
20170304 00:35:00< celticminstrel> Right.
20170304 00:35:34< vultraz_iOS> I'm pretty sure we've gotten the formula correct
20170304 00:36:31< celticminstrel> I suppose there could exist a possibility that some change since the initial commit of this broke it. >_>
20170304 00:36:47< vultraz_iOS> the function seems to work
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20170304 00:37:17< celticminstrel> What's the actual size of the image?
20170304 00:37:40< vultraz_iOS> width is the widget size, not image size
20170304 00:37:47< celticminstrel> Eh?
20170304 00:37:52< vultraz_iOS> it's always possible width isn't assigned...
20170304 00:37:53< celticminstrel> No, it should be image size.
20170304 00:38:01< vultraz_iOS> uh. no?
20170304 00:38:09< celticminstrel> Yes.
20170304 00:38:20< vultraz_iOS> images can be stretched, remember
20170304 00:38:25< celticminstrel> How could it possibly be the widget size? The code has no idea the widget exists at this point.
20170304 00:38:46< vultraz_iOS> oh, right, ok, I see what you mean..
20170304 00:38:50< celticminstrel> Oh, if you apply ADJUST_ALPHA after SCALE, then the width would be the resultant size, sure.
20170304 00:39:23< vultraz_iOS> SCALE wouldn't know the `width` variable either :|
20170304 00:39:34< celticminstrel> SCALE doesn't know any variables.
20170304 00:39:48< celticminstrel> The width assigned in ADJUST_ALPHA is the width of the image being worked on.
20170304 00:39:52 * vultraz_iOS curses wfl encapsulation
20170304 00:40:04< celticminstrel> ???
20170304 00:40:16< celticminstrel> The thing is that the object that ADJUST_ALPHA works on is a pixel.
20170304 00:40:25< celticminstrel> GUI2 formulas work on a totally different object.
20170304 00:40:32< celticminstrel> So obviously the width would be different for both.
20170304 00:41:02< celticminstrel> (GUI2 formulas actually just work on a basic mapping object IIRC.)
20170304 00:41:23< vultraz_iOS> oh, right
20170304 00:41:44< vultraz_iOS> but that should be ok, then
20170304 00:41:52< vultraz_iOS> if the image is scaled by an widget it should still apply..
20170304 00:42:20< celticminstrel> That depends.
20170304 00:42:46< celticminstrel> If the widget scales the image, I would have expected it to be scaling the image that has already had its alpha adjusted.
20170304 00:43:15< celticminstrel> Do widgets scale using IPF or something low-level?
20170304 00:43:26< vultraz_iOS> low-level
20170304 00:43:49< celticminstrel> I think the image it's scaling then would be the output of the IPFs.
20170304 00:44:30< vultraz_iOS> ok
20170304 00:44:48< vultraz_iOS> but why with this formula I see no change, but with the signs reversed I do, it just happens to be only a portion of the image :|
20170304 00:44:54< vultraz_iOS> probably 255 pixels worth
20170304 00:45:13< celticminstrel> Maybe something about the coordinate system?
20170304 00:45:18< vultraz_iOS> (off topic but we really should switch away from pixel measurements >_> )
20170304 00:46:04< vultraz_iOS> ..huh
20170304 00:46:14< vultraz_iOS> so I switched the signs and added an abs
20170304 00:46:21< vultraz_iOS> around the whole thing
20170304 00:46:38< vultraz_iOS> which interestingly enough gives you a back-to-back gradient
20170304 00:47:01< celticminstrel> This implies you need to shift it sideways.
20170304 00:49:07< vultraz_iOS> but ftr it shouldn't matter either way
20170304 00:49:27< vultraz_iOS> if I do x / width * 255 or x * 255 / width
20170304 00:49:28< vultraz_iOS> :|
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20170304 03:14:59< pydsigner> vultraz_iOS: Anyways, revisiting my question Wednesday, while I understand why Dave might think early access doesn't make sense, I'm inclined to disagree
20170304 03:15:28< pydsigner> The last thing we want to do is botch the 1.14 steam release, and getting practice in early access could be a good way to achieve that goal
20170304 03:16:01< pydsigner> Plus get a lot of those eyes that will be coming with the full release engaged in catching bugs in a stage where bugs will be expected.
20170304 03:17:05< pydsigner> Also while I like GitHub's bug tracker, there are definitely enough issues that have been brought up concerning it that other options will at least require consideration
20170304 03:17:29< pydsigner> Even if the solution is "email us with vulnerabilities instead of posting them on the issue tracker"
20170304 03:18:22< vultraz_iOS> well, we need to do something
20170304 03:18:25< vultraz_iOS> because gna is closing
20170304 03:19:00< vultraz_iOS> we have no one who has time to investigate jira or redmine
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20170304 05:58:31< irker003> wesnoth: Hironori Fujimoto wesnoth:master 168e51414481 / data/core/editor/help.cfg: help(editor): fix duplication of text attribute https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/168e51414481ff035a34ce985a68583e1d77e1d7
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20170304 09:00:30< Aginor> redmine is free, but requires hosting and is a bit finicky to set up. there's commercial hosting for it
20170304 09:01:38< Aginor> jira is expensive for a large number of users, but atlassian does provide free licenses for OSS projects of a non-commercial nature
20170304 09:02:07< Aginor> there's also trac, but it's mostly been superseeded by redmine
20170304 09:02:16< Aginor> and bugzilla, but it's horrible :)
20170304 09:02:59< Aginor> both redmine and jira should be able to import the data that can be exported from gna pretty easily
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20170304 09:07:00< Aginor> both redmine and jira support all of the basic features that github does, both can be customised a lot and have a whole bunch of addon support
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20170304 09:07:21< Aginor> jira comes with built in support for an agile (scrum) process, redmine doesn't
20170304 09:08:33< Aginor> you can have lots of projects and issue transitions and the like, and it takes some customisation in both cases to make it work for your process
20170304 09:08:46< Aginor> our process is pretty light, so that shouldn't really be a problem
20170304 09:09:02< Aginor> and you can do release/milestone tracking and stuff like that so that's pretty easy
20170304 09:10:08< JyrkiVesterinen> For what it's worth, I like JIRA. I have used it in an earlier job.
20170304 09:10:38< Aginor> getting direct git integration with github looks doable for both, although it may be easier with jira
20170304 09:13:16< Aginor> JyrkiVesterinen: I'm using jira a lot, and I quite like it
20170304 09:13:34< Aginor> but if we can't get an OSS license, I think it'll be rather expensive
20170304 09:14:28< Aginor> we'd probably be looking at $7500/year for comitters, and then we can't have random people have logins
20170304 09:14:33< Aginor> which isn't grat
20170304 09:15:01< JyrkiVesterinen> That would be way too much IMO. :O
20170304 09:15:04< Aginor> https://www.atlassian.com/software/views/open-source-license-request
20170304 09:15:30< Aginor> JyrkiVesterinen: Jira is cheap if you don't have many users, then it becomes rather expensive quickly
20170304 09:16:45< Aginor> anyhow, I think that it's a problem for the wesnoth foundation as they're the ones with the plans and the money
20170304 09:17:17< Aginor> but my take on it is that both are equally viable, but hosting will probably be required
20170304 09:17:21< JyrkiVesterinen> Based on that page, Wesnoth definitely meets the approval criteria. GPL is an OSI approved license, source code and the project are public, and the bug tracker would be public as well (just like Gna! is now).
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20170304 09:18:29< Aginor> JyrkiVesterinen: I agree
20170304 09:19:05< Aginor> the commersialisation aspects of wesnoth is what may be more problematic as there's an officially supported android version
20170304 09:23:06< Aginor> anyway, someone that has the right standing within the project need to put their name down and apply for it if anything will happen
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20170304 10:49:37< vultraz_iOS> $7500/year is way too much
20170304 10:49:44< vultraz_iOS> we cannot afford that with our current budget
20170304 10:50:35< vultraz_iOS> I spoke with the rest of the board regarding spending money in order to have a private repo on gh to keep sensitive bugs
20170304 10:50:43< vultraz_iOS> it was concluded it wouldn't be the best use of funds
20170304 10:51:07< vultraz_iOS> I'm not sure any tracker that requires extensive funding would be doable
20170304 10:51:09< vultraz_iOS> or desirable
20170304 10:52:32< vultraz_iOS> and *certainly* not 7500/year
20170304 10:56:01< vultraz_iOS> also, CC licenses aren't listed under the approves OSS licenses required to use the service for free
20170304 10:56:22< vultraz_iOS> I don't know what take they'd have on a project with differently-licensed works
20170304 10:56:34< vultraz_iOS> assuming we ever get that god damn project done
20170304 10:57:04< vultraz_iOS> for the record, it looks like the new GH ToS won't be a problem for us, so we should be able to move forward
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20170304 15:20:01< celticminstrel> [Mar 04@04:07:21am] Aginor: jira comes with built in support for an agile (scrum) process, redmine doesn't
20170304 15:20:02< celticminstrel> I don't actually know what this means.
20170304 15:20:03< celticminstrel> [Mar 04@04:10:08am] JyrkiVesterinen: For what it's worth, I like JIRA. I have used it in an earlier job.
20170304 15:20:04< celticminstrel> I too have used JIRA. It was good, I guess.
20170304 15:20:27< celticminstrel> vultraz_iOS: I'm confused, are you trying to say JIRA is out of the question?
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20170304 16:09:21< loonycyborg> wesnoth can use their opensource license
20170304 16:09:50< celticminstrel> Vultraz seems to think CC (which there are plans to partially switch to) might be a problem.
20170304 16:10:09< celticminstrel> And Aginor thinks the Android and iOS versions could be a problem.
20170304 16:11:30< loonycyborg> I'm fine with redmine too
20170304 16:11:50< celticminstrel> Are you able to get it set up?
20170304 16:12:09< celticminstrel> If we choose it, that is.
20170304 16:12:09< loonycyborg> hmm don't think so
20170304 16:12:47< loonycyborg> I might learn it though
20170304 16:12:52< celticminstrel> I guess there are also sites that host your redmine for you too... but IMO if Wesnoth is using redmine they might as well self-host.
20170304 16:14:40< loonycyborg> iirc redmine is fork of trac?
20170304 16:14:47< loonycyborg> at least heavily similiar to it
20170304 16:15:06< loonycyborg> I have interacted with trac since boost is using it
20170304 16:15:16< celticminstrel> Not sure.
20170304 16:15:52< loonycyborg> https://svn.boost.org/trac/boost/
20170304 16:16:04< loonycyborg> seems quite usable to me
20170304 16:16:23< loonycyborg> but the question is
20170304 16:16:38< loonycyborg> will it be possible to import our bugs from gna?
20170304 16:17:13< celticminstrel> Redmine is apparently heavily influenced by Trac.
20170304 16:19:52< loonycyborg> hmm I kinda forgot
20170304 16:19:58< loonycyborg> why we consider redmine
20170304 16:20:03< loonycyborg> but not trac itself :P
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20170304 16:20:54< celticminstrel> No idea.
20170304 16:21:03< celticminstrel> I don't recall Trac ever being mentioned as an option.
20170304 16:21:29< celticminstrel> From Wikipedia though, it seems like it has an integrated wiki, which is kinda more than we need (given that we already have a wiki).
20170304 16:21:43< celticminstrel> Though redmine seems to have wiki support too...
20170304 16:22:26< celticminstrel> And in any case, having a few features we don't need may not be a good argument against it.
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20170304 18:07:23< gfgtdf> can i somehow make the [tunnel] targets dependent on the soruce? liek onyl allowing to teleport to hexes at most 10 tiles away?
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20170304 18:10:56< vultraz_iOS> one should be able to ...
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20170304 19:13:03< celticminstrel> gfgtdf: You can probably do something like that using the radius filter options?
20170304 19:15:23< gfgtdf> hm but the problme is that inside inthe [target] filter i dont know that starting location
20170304 19:19:33< gfgtdf> what i wanted to do is a unit that can 'jump' over small  chasms but not step on them so i wanted to do ile [tleport] [filter_target] x,y = $starting_loca.x,$starting_loca.y [radius] =2 ..... but i coint find anytihng like $starting_loc in the wiki
20170304 19:28:13< vultraz_iOS> proabably not implemented
20170304 19:28:15< vultraz_iOS> probably
20170304 19:28:16< vultraz_iOS> you can add it
20170304 19:28:32< vultraz_iOS> probably should call it x1y1
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20170304 19:37:16< celticminstrel> gfgtdf: You can probably use $this_unit or whatever.
20170304 19:37:33< celticminstrel> x,y=$this_unit.x,$this_unit.y
20170304 19:37:49< celticminstrel> Or was it $teleport_unit?
20170304 19:37:52< celticminstrel> I forget..
20170304 19:38:19< celticminstrel> Anyway, that'll give you the anchor location, and from there you can use adjacent filters and radiuses and stuff.
20170304 19:38:24< celticminstrel> Probably.
20170304 19:39:01< celticminstrel> Though I'm not entirely sure if that'll work for pathfinding... depends if auto-stored units can have their locations faked...
20170304 19:39:39< celticminstrel> If you add new variables I think I'd prefer $start_x $start_y rather than $x1 $y1.
20170304 19:39:46< celticminstrel> Or hmm.
20170304 19:39:56< celticminstrel> Maybe $anchor_x $anchor_y?
20170304 19:40:09< celticminstrel> I'd suggest just $x $y but that seems overly short somehow.
20170304 19:40:49< celticminstrel> Ideally the variable wouldn't hold the location that the unit is at currently, but would instead hold the location for which teleportation is being considered - the unit's faked location, not its actual one.
20170304 19:40:54< celticminstrel> ^variables
20170304 19:57:46< gfgtdf> thx i'll try those
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20170304 20:30:15< Aginor> I've set up redmine in the past and it's not too hard
20170304 20:30:26< Aginor> redmine and trac aren't related
20170304 20:35:44< gfgtdf> Aginor:can we make redmine woith github logins so that we don't need additional accounts ? 
20170304 20:36:06< Aginor> trac is a viable alternative, but it's a bit rougher aroudn theedges for searching and the like, which is a bit more inaccessible
20170304 20:36:07 * celticminstrel wouldn't be surprised if there's a plugin for that.
20170304 20:36:24< Aginor> gfgtdf: no idea, but as celticminstrel says, it's an alternative
20170304 20:36:51< Aginor> I also don't think we should give up on Jira without actually seeing if we can get a license
20170304 20:42:53< celticminstrel> The only problem is that no-one seems willing to be the one to put in the application. >_>
20170304 20:53:43< Aginor> yeah, that is a bit of a problem
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20170304 21:18:17< Aginor> I think that's something that someone in a project leadership position has to do
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20170304 21:20:28< celticminstrel> Yeah. Probably vultraz or someone on the board.
20170304 21:20:48< celticminstrel> Maybe even Dave, though I don't really think of him as a member of the project at this point...
20170304 21:25:04< pydsigner> I'd agree with that analysis
20170304 21:26:22< gfgtdf> zookeeper: here another 1.12 bad terrain transition, generated by a rnadom map generator this time (frozen/grass/water): http://i.imgur.com/1eitykl.png
20170304 21:29:26< zookeeper> gfgtdf, that's actually not _quite_ as bad in 1.13 anymore.
20170304 21:38:05< Aginor> oh yeah, before I forgot
20170304 21:39:21< Aginor> kwandulin (spelling?) - I haven't looked at your problem, I wasn't happy with the example you gave me it contained too much nudity
20170304 21:39:45 * celticminstrel blink
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20170304 21:44:18< irker128> wesnoth: Jyrki Vesterinen wesnoth:master 09edad8ad9ea / src/server/send_receive_wml_helpers.ipp: campaignd: WIP: implement sending add-ons on Windows https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/09edad8ad9ea730995b9e455b655163a62e4d6c5
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20170304 21:48:28< celticminstrel> Hmm, wonder what're the chances of implementing something akin to shadowm's manifest proposal in time for 1.14...
20170304 21:48:35< celticminstrel> For the addon server.
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