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20170309 01:15:11< celticminstrel> It still supports Win7 too, so maybe I could try it...
20170309 01:47:01< irker550> wesnoth: Charles Dang wesnoth:master f0be75b49f0a / src/display.cpp: Use the second overload of bounds_check_position when setting zoom https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/f0be75b49f0acb9a4b0b181f2e2f284f6fdad250
20170309 01:47:04< irker550> wesnoth: Charles Dang wesnoth:master 572c39c56f70 / src/display.cpp: Fixed set_default_zoom not working as expected (fixup 9f43913ee) https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/572c39c56f70f7fd8e6c588f092b36967f56aab8
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20170309 01:58:18< vultraz_iOS> celticminstrel: more bugs 4 u https://gna.org/bugs/index.php?25578
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20170309 01:59:29< irker550> wesnoth: Charles Dang wesnoth:master c190e717ef29 / src/font/text.cpp: Increased 'unescaped ampersands' message to warning level based on feedback (fix https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/c190e717ef29fc9f6c28b08e95f7eb1f4080799e
20170309 02:02:22< celticminstrel> :(
20170309 02:05:31< irker550> wesnoth: Celtic Minstrel wesnoth:master 7488d6094c02 / data/lua/wml-tags.lua: Fix error in [heal_unit] (GNA25578) https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/7488d6094c02ce89a4d09818b7fdee76838c1c0c
20170309 02:10:38< vultraz_iOS> at least your new error catching is working
20170309 02:12:58< celticminstrel> Yup.
20170309 02:13:20< celticminstrel> Improving error messages is always a good thing.
20170309 02:15:50< vultraz_iOS> can the bug be marked as fixed?
20170309 02:16:04< celticminstrel> Probably?
20170309 02:16:21< celticminstrel> Certainly the specific error it quoted shouldn't happen now.
20170309 02:16:29< celticminstrel> Unless I missed one.
20170309 02:17:15< celticminstrel> I did not miss any.
20170309 02:18:03< celticminstrel> Ah, I just realized, the "wesnoth.animate_unit" call might fail... if so, quick-fix would be to replace it with "wesnoth.wml_actions.animate_unit".
20170309 02:23:00< celticminstrel> BTW, did you bring up the idea of applying for a JIRA with the board?
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20170309 02:26:22< vultraz_iOS> i have not
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20170309 06:01:01< irker400> wesnoth: Charles Dang wesnoth:master a976d05c9b43 / src/help/help_topic_generators.cpp: Help: reduced threshold for 2x XBRZ scaling of sprites in help pages https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/a976d05c9b43dd7987d1f6d7d406abbc877d94f1
20170309 06:03:16< vultraz_iOS> what i didn't mention in the commit message was idon
20170309 06:03:42< vultraz_iOS> I don't like the fact the old number meant i couldn't see the scaled sprites when wesnoth is in low-dpi emulation mode :P
20170309 06:04:04< vultraz_iOS> since it thinks it's running 1536x801
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20170309 06:24:12< irker400> wesnoth: Charles Dang wesnoth:master 64ebefbffa42 / src/ (5 files in 2 dirs): Removed 'sunset' command. Deals with bug #25460 https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/64ebefbffa424b5c25dec615fbd6cf12d5acadc1
20170309 06:24:15< irker400> wesnoth: Charles Dang wesnoth:master 9d579ed6baf4 / data/core/images/themes/classic/minimap.png: Removed hard-drawn zoom slider grove from minimap panel image https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/9d579ed6baf474ab19cf20c71e66df4d12f4c9ac
20170309 06:24:18< irker400> wesnoth: Charles Dang wesnoth:master 637642f5103e / data/gui/widget/button_25x25.cfg: Added definitions for Addon Manager publish/delete buttons https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/637642f5103e0ca7121527fd966dd73fa21daafb
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20170309 07:07:17< vultraz_iOS> god dammit, lipik, why did you have to make this code so confusing
20170309 07:10:42< Aginor> probably out of spite
20170309 07:11:21< Aginor> I'd be happy to help out with a potential JIRA migration
20170309 07:11:49< vultraz_iOS> ill have to inquire with the board
20170309 07:13:41< vultraz_iOS> right now im agonizing over code that doesn't make sense :/
20170309 07:14:44< vultraz_iOS> seems there's something i forgot to port from the GUI1 create screen..
20170309 07:16:25< vultraz_iOS> ok, let's do some rubber ducking here...
20170309 07:16:44< vultraz_iOS> the problem is essentially that the UI doesn't reflect the choices of the dependency manager...
20170309 07:16:51< vultraz_iOS> it *seems* to be working correctly internally
20170309 07:17:35< vultraz_iOS> but i need somehow to get the state of a specific change...
20170309 07:19:58< Aginor> observer pattern?
20170309 07:20:12< vultraz_iOS> say what now?
20170309 07:20:28< Aginor> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Observer_pattern
20170309 07:21:40< vultraz_iOS> I don't think it needs to be *that* complex...
20170309 07:21:46< vultraz_iOS> just need to pass along a bool retval
20170309 07:22:04< Aginor> bool **ret ? :D
20170309 07:22:19< Aginor> doesn't need to be a double pointer though
20170309 07:22:25< Aginor> but the more stars the better
20170309 07:22:28< vultraz_iOS> but I'm trying to find where that bool is actually set
20170309 07:22:43< vultraz_iOS> so many functions calling other functions calling other functions
20170309 07:22:47< Aginor> has anyone seen shadowm for a while?
20170309 07:22:59< vultraz_iOS> he's on Discord
20170309 07:23:09< vultraz_iOS> and in the nonpublic channel
20170309 07:23:10< Aginor> oh, right
20170309 07:23:16< vultraz_iOS> do you need to ask him something?
20170309 07:23:41< Aginor> he tried to get in touch a while ago, but we were like passing ships in the night
20170309 07:23:54< Aginor> not helped by me not having much time at all to be in front of a computer
20170309 07:24:12< vultraz_iOS> I thought your job was programming
20170309 07:24:31< Aginor> it's a bit more than just writing code
20170309 07:24:41< Aginor> and I tend to not have my irc window open at work
20170309 07:24:51< vultraz_iOS> ah
20170309 07:24:56< vultraz_iOS> I've also started using irc less
20170309 07:25:01< vultraz_iOS> Discord is much superior
20170309 07:25:06< Aginor> people might frown at me doing OSS activities from a work computer, during work time, etc
20170309 07:26:00< Aginor> I just can't be bothered to move to discord
20170309 07:26:11< Aginor> browser based crud
20170309 07:26:39< Aginor> I could do another slack channel tough
20170309 07:26:57< vultraz_iOS> uh
20170309 07:27:04< vultraz_iOS> there's a Discord app
20170309 07:27:17< Aginor> for linux?
20170309 07:27:20< Aginor> that's not shite?
20170309 07:27:44< Aginor> even hipchat is pretty shit in linux
20170309 07:28:11< Aginor> slack is pretty smooth but won't give you screen sharing under linux
20170309 07:28:24< vultraz_iOS> https://discordapp.com/download
20170309 07:28:25< Aginor> I even got that as an official response from them yesterday
20170309 07:28:38< Aginor> no rpms
20170309 07:28:46< Aginor> can't be bothered :D
20170309 07:28:49< vultraz_iOS> there's only one official discord app
20170309 07:29:12< vultraz_iOS> well, perhaps some 3rd party ones but i doubt those are any good
20170309 07:29:26< Aginor> yeah
20170309 07:29:37< vultraz_iOS> what is this about rpms
20170309 07:30:19< Aginor> I want my software to integrate with the package manager for better updates, installs, removals etc
20170309 07:30:32< Aginor> a deb doesn't work nicely on an rpm based distro
20170309 07:30:40< Aginor> and a tbz is just horrible
20170309 07:31:00< vultraz_iOS> discord handles its own updates
20170309 07:31:05< vultraz_iOS> automatically
20170309 07:31:23< vultraz_iOS> unless it's different on linux
20170309 07:34:04 * Aginor shrugs
20170309 07:34:08< Aginor> it doesn't really matter
20170309 07:35:15< vultraz_iOS> well, suit yourself
20170309 07:35:54< vultraz_iOS> personally, id love it if we dropped irc and used discord primarily 
20170309 07:36:23< Aginor> go for it
20170309 07:36:32< vultraz_iOS> but there is resistance 
20170309 07:36:33< vultraz_iOS> :|
20170309 07:36:37< vultraz_iOS> for some reason
20170309 07:37:09< Aginor> wasn't it a couple of months ago when you said there's no plans to drop irc?
20170309 07:37:21< vultraz_iOS> yes
20170309 07:37:26< vultraz_iOS> there are no plans
20170309 07:37:37< vultraz_iOS> I said I'd *like* it to happen since it's much better than irc
20170309 07:37:42< vultraz_iOS> hell, even slack is better than irc
20170309 07:38:52< pydsigner> vultraz_iOS: Still waiting for you to set up a slack-IRC bridge
20170309 07:38:56< Soliton> someone would have to migrate irc integration of the mod channel and wesnoth.org irc alerts over.
20170309 07:39:16< pydsigner> There's resistance because Discord really isn't as much better for wesnoth dev work as you think
20170309 07:39:26< pydsigner> And comes with a lack of options
20170309 07:40:43< Aginor> sorry, I didn't mean to start a debate about this
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20170309 07:41:49< vultraz_iOS> oh right, the bridge
20170309 07:43:16< vultraz_iOS> pydsigner: what options?
20170309 07:43:22< vultraz_iOS> or lack of?
20170309 07:43:25< pydsigner> Clients
20170309 07:43:52< vultraz_iOS> don't see how that's necessarily bad
20170309 07:44:03< pydsigner> You wouldn't.
20170309 07:44:27< Aginor> pydsigner: play nice
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20170309 07:46:08< pydsigner> Aginor: vultraz_iOS doesn't have a specific client setup that he's tied to
20170309 07:46:43< vultraz_iOS> well actually, I've always used chatzilla
20170309 07:46:46< JyrkiVesterinen> 20170309 07:22:28< vultraz_iOS> but I'm trying to find where that bool is actually set
20170309 07:46:46< JyrkiVesterinen> 20170309 07:22:43< vultraz_iOS> so many functions calling other functions calling other functions
20170309 07:46:56< vultraz_iOS> right now i happen to be using irccloud
20170309 07:46:58< JyrkiVesterinen> Look up data breakpoints. They can make the task trivial.
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20170309 07:47:48< pydsigner> vultraz_iOS: I use one app on my phone to connect to slack and IRC.
20170309 07:48:30< pydsigner> If I decided that it wasn't as good as I wanted I could switch to countless other options.
20170309 07:48:49< pydsigner> With Discord, you don't have that option.
20170309 07:49:06< vultraz_iOS> point taken
20170309 07:49:06< pydsigner> You can use the official app, some super stripped down thing, or nothing.
20170309 07:49:28< vultraz_iOS> but I think the consistent user experience outweighs that
20170309 07:49:40< pydsigner> Consistent with what
20170309 07:49:57< vultraz_iOS> everyone's
20170309 07:50:28< Soliton> consistent with how everyone's requirements are the same.
20170309 07:50:30< pydsigner> Are you saying that having only one client option is a good thing?
20170309 07:50:46< JyrkiVesterinen> What is a "consistent user experience" good for? I view it as a good thing that each user can have the UX they prefer.
20170309 07:50:53< vultraz_iOS> having one client allows stuff like image uploads which isn't as easy with multiple ones
20170309 07:50:53< pydsigner> I seem to recall a forum thread with people complaining about the official Discord client's memory usage
20170309 07:51:24< Soliton> having a documented protocol helps with consistent features.
20170309 07:51:34< pydsigner> I seem to recall this thing called imgur that people paste links to
20170309 07:52:05< pydsigner> I love Discord, but I love IRC too
20170309 07:52:06< vultraz_iOS> but that takes too long
20170309 07:52:11< pydsigner> ._.
20170309 07:52:25< vultraz_iOS> why would you go to imgur, upload an image, then paste the link, if you could just upload directly 
20170309 07:52:33< pydsigner> And there are some people who cannot or will not move to Discord.
20170309 07:52:38< JyrkiVesterinen> I agree with pydsigner. I like both IRC and Discord.
20170309 07:52:47< vultraz_iOS> there's also great stuff like PM logs
20170309 07:52:54< pydsigner> IRC has that
20170309 07:53:06< JyrkiVesterinen> I have ended up primarily using Discord because Vultraz is there.
20170309 07:53:08< pydsigner> Mine are offline available too
20170309 07:53:28< vultraz_iOS> sure, some do
20170309 07:53:32< pydsigner> I can search them with regular expressions
20170309 07:53:39< vultraz_iOS> irc cloud keeps logs
20170309 07:54:01< vultraz_iOS> but in chatzilla, everything disappeared when I closed it
20170309 07:54:16< pydsigner> vultraz_iOS: Basically, you don't understand people's attachment to IRC because you've not gone down the rabbit hole
20170309 07:54:19< vultraz_iOS> Discord also has the really, really useful feature of inline code formatting w/ Markdown
20170309 07:54:25< pydsigner> Discord is nice and easy
20170309 07:54:32< pydsigner> Great for public facing stuff
20170309 07:54:34< Aginor> vultraz_iOS: that's because chatzilla is a terrible client
20170309 07:54:43< Aginor> :D
20170309 07:54:51< vultraz_iOS> so if I type ```code```, I know, say, jyrki will see *exactly* that code
20170309 07:54:58< Aginor> generally, clients will save logs
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20170309 07:55:23< pydsigner> Even hexchat is a better option than Chatzilla
20170309 07:55:44< vultraz_iOS> chatzilla was the only client i could find with a semi-acceptable UI (for myself)
20170309 07:55:52< vultraz_iOS> another reason I love Discord. The modern UI
20170309 07:56:44< vultraz_iOS> not to mention a bunch of other stuff like user groups and view permissions for each one
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20170309 07:57:05< vultraz_iOS> *and* voice chat, not that that gets used much 
20170309 07:57:06< pydsigner> Discord is using 440MB of RAM on my machine right now.
20170309 07:57:12< vultraz_iOS> but i could see it being 
20170309 07:57:17< pydsigner> irssi is using 16MB.
20170309 07:57:27< vultraz_iOS> Discord is using 74 MB on mine
20170309 07:57:29< JyrkiVesterinen> When it comes to UI, I mildly dislike Discord. Contrast is too low.
20170309 07:57:31< vultraz_iOS> the fuck is yours doing o_O
20170309 07:57:49< pydsigner> vultraz_iOS: There's multiple processes
20170309 07:58:01< pydsigner> Also I'm in 6 servers
20170309 07:58:04< vultraz_iOS> im on irc in a browser window so chrome is probably eating up 500 mb on it or something
20170309 07:58:12< JyrkiVesterinen> My memory usage stats: Discord 147MB, AdiIRC 78MB.
20170309 07:58:38< pydsigner> vultraz_iOS: Probably not
20170309 07:59:00< pydsigner> Discord is basically a chrome tab in a standalone container
20170309 07:59:12< vultraz_iOS> ok, 123 MB combined over 3 processes
20170309 07:59:14< vultraz_iOS> 3 servers
20170309 07:59:55< vultraz_iOS> chrome is using close to 1GB ram total
20170309 07:59:56< pydsigner> I blame that one of them is rather active with lots of videos and pictures posted
20170309 07:59:59< vultraz_iOS> for all my tabs
20170309 08:01:02< vultraz_iOS> luckily i have 16 of them
20170309 08:01:09< vultraz_iOS> gbs of ram, that is
20170309 08:01:32< pydsigner> I won't scare you with how much ram my browsers are using heh
20170309 08:02:07< Aginor> I tend to find crhome using around 12 gigs or so
20170309 08:02:33< vultraz_iOS> WHAT
20170309 08:02:35< pydsigner> Chrome, the destroyer of RAM
20170309 08:02:40< Aginor> idea and clion and pycharm tends to use a fair bit too
20170309 08:03:03< Aginor> next desktop I get will seriously have at least 32 gigs of ram
20170309 08:03:14< pydsigner> 32GB is very nice to have
20170309 08:03:30< pydsigner> I don't think I'll run a dev laptop again without it
20170309 08:03:48< pydsigner> My personal machine is better than what I have at work though
20170309 08:03:59< vultraz_iOS> it's funny
20170309 08:04:14< vultraz_iOS> every time i get a new laptop with more ram, i'm told twice that is better :P
20170309 08:04:24< vultraz_iOS> last time i had 8, and shadowm has 16
20170309 08:04:34< vultraz_iOS> i buy one with 16, and then shadowm goes and gets a new one with 32 :|
20170309 08:04:34< pydsigner> No he's up to 32 as well
20170309 08:04:45< vultraz_iOS> shadowm had*
20170309 08:05:01< vultraz_iOS> (another great thing discord had: message editing!)
20170309 08:05:04< vultraz_iOS> HAS
20170309 08:05:08< Aginor> I only have 16 on my destop at home
20170309 08:05:09< pydsigner> Lol
20170309 08:05:10< vultraz_iOS> (>_> )
20170309 08:05:27< Aginor> message editing is not a bonus
20170309 08:05:36< JyrkiVesterinen> I have 8 at work and 32 at home.
20170309 08:05:43< pydsigner> JyrkiVesterinen: that's painful
20170309 08:06:05< vultraz_iOS> I can't believe 10 years ago I bought a laptop with 512 MB of ram
20170309 08:06:06< pydsigner> Do you compile software at work?
20170309 08:06:13< vultraz_iOS> (I upgraded it to 2 GB, but still)
20170309 08:06:15< pydsigner> Because that has to suck
20170309 08:06:18< JyrkiVesterinen> Not really. I always keep the number of tabs low. Vivaldi (based on Chrome) only uses about 600MB right now.
20170309 08:06:41< pydsigner> Yeah I'm not so strong
20170309 08:06:54< JyrkiVesterinen> Yes, I do compile. Compile time is CPU-bound though. Additional memory wouldn't help.
20170309 08:06:59< pydsigner> My highest vivaldi-bin has 1gb
20170309 08:07:28< vultraz_iOS> pydsigner: you were wrong, BTW. this i7-7500U is a lot better than my old i5-3xsomething
20170309 08:07:55< pydsigner> I didn't say it'd be worse than an i5-3xxx I don't think
20170309 08:08:07< vultraz_iOS> (though did i tell you i ended up with an asus not the lenovo in the end)
20170309 08:08:20< vultraz_iOS> pydsigner: you said it could
20170309 08:09:06< pydsigner> What's you definition of better?
20170309 08:09:11< pydsigner> * your
20170309 08:09:17< vultraz_iOS> 12 mins full compile down down from ~25
20170309 08:10:58< vultraz_iOS> well, i also have an ssd now
20170309 08:11:12< pydsigner> That's part of it
20170309 08:12:01< pydsigner> The other part is that the i7 probably boosts higher than your i5-3
20170309 08:12:27< vultraz_iOS> well i sure hope it performs better when it's 4 bloody generations later
20170309 08:12:53< pydsigner> 5 years almost
20170309 08:14:38< pydsigner> Do you use cmake or scons?
20170309 08:14:43< vultraz_iOS> codeblocks
20170309 08:14:46< vultraz_iOS> still
20170309 08:14:54< vultraz_iOS> though i did install msvc 2017 community
20170309 08:15:06< vultraz_iOS> haven't figured out how to build wesnoth on it yet
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20170309 08:16:33< Aginor> hmm
20170309 08:16:41< Aginor> the $5 linodes are pretty awesome
20170309 08:16:47< Aginor> good bang for your buck
20170309 08:19:51< pydsigner> I still swear by SpeedyKVM
20170309 08:20:20< pydsigner> Let's see how long make -j16 takes on my machine
20170309 08:25:19< pydsigner> vultraz_iOS: Ok yeah so
20170309 08:25:35< pydsigner> The reason I recommended you get an HQ? I just built in under 7
20170309 08:26:03< pydsigner> Because I have double your cores.
20170309 08:26:53< pydsigner> However 12 minutes isn't awful considering you don't really have to do that much
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20170309 08:33:01< vultraz_iOS> I'm using -j4
20170309 08:33:08< vultraz_iOS> so you have 4x my cores
20170309 08:37:12< matthiaskrgr> are there already 32 gb ram modules?
20170309 08:37:36< Aginor> yes
20170309 08:37:42< Aginor> hmm
20170309 08:37:47< Aginor> I think so at least
20170309 08:40:26< matthiaskrgr> https://www.amazon.de/Kingston-KVR24R17D4-32MA-ValueRAM-Speicher/dp/B01FM3GM5G/ref=sr_1_29?ie=UTF8&qid=1489048779&  
20170309 08:40:37< matthiaskrgr> only 319 € x)
20170309 08:40:51< matthiaskrgr> coming close to what I payed for my last laptop :p
20170309 08:42:23< pydsigner> vultraz_iOS: I have 4 cores, 8 hyper-threads
20170309 08:42:50< Aginor> pydsigner: -j10 is probably your sweet spot then
20170309 08:42:55< vultraz_iOS> so how are you running -16
20170309 08:43:00< vultraz_iOS> i mean, could i run -j6?
20170309 08:43:06< pydsigner> Yes
20170309 08:43:30< pydsigner> It's just the number of processes
20170309 08:44:14< pydsigner> If you run below your number of virtual cores you won't max out your cpu
20170309 08:44:29< vultraz_iOS> oh
20170309 08:44:29< vultraz_iOS> huh
20170309 08:44:36< vultraz_iOS> i thought it was number of cores
20170309 08:44:54< Aginor> vultraz_iOS: number of virtual cores + 2
20170309 08:45:21< Aginor> after that you start to loose on context swapping
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20170309 11:07:08< irker779> wesnoth: Charles Dang wesnoth:master 790f88f39f2f / / (5 files in 3 dirs): Addon Manager: implement main panel publish/delete buttons https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/790f88f39f2f5fa1b1d83e9878f031458e08b6de
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20170309 14:07:33< celticminstrel> [Mar 09@02:26:00am] Aginor: I just can't be bothered to move to discord
20170309 14:07:33< celticminstrel> Yup, exactly this.
20170309 14:07:35< celticminstrel> [Mar 09@02:50:53am] vultraz_iOS: having one client allows stuff like image uploads which isn't as easy with multiple ones
20170309 14:07:36< celticminstrel> Well, you can in fact send images over IRC, though it's a bit fiddly (you need to set up port forwarding).
20170309 14:07:37< celticminstrel> [Mar 09@02:53:06am] JyrkiVesterinen: I have ended up primarily using Discord because Vultraz is there.
20170309 14:07:38< celticminstrel> :|
20170309 14:09:22< JyrkiVesterinen> Sending images via DCC isn't sufficient if you want to show something to the whole channel, which usually is the case.
20170309 14:09:42< JyrkiVesterinen> Native image support is definitely an advantage that Discord has over IRC.
20170309 14:09:51< matthiaskrgr> query everyone \o/ 
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20170309 14:15:24< celticminstrel> It's possible to broadcast a DCC request, but... that's definitely not a good idea.
20170309 14:15:44< celticminstrel> BTW, what Boost version were you recommending I use? The latest, or 1.60, or 1.61?
20170309 14:15:57< JyrkiVesterinen> 1.60 or above.
20170309 14:16:06< celticminstrel> So the latest should be fine?
20170309 14:16:11< JyrkiVesterinen> Yes.
20170309 14:16:51< JyrkiVesterinen> I'm on 1.62 myself.
20170309 14:23:37< celticminstrel> Apparently it's distributed as an installer. Huh.
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20170309 16:00:21< celticminstrel> I forgot whether color in animate_unit means text colour or tint colour.
20170309 16:02:57< celticminstrel> Text color, apparently.
20170309 16:04:57< celticminstrel> Does anyone know how to explain what value and value_second do in [animate_unit]?
20170309 16:05:11< celticminstrel> They appear to be undocumented on the wiki. Not sure when they were added.
20170309 16:05:24< celticminstrel> Guessing it has something to do with floating damage numbers or something?
20170309 16:05:48 * celticminstrel pokes gfgtdf and zookeeper in case they know.
20170309 16:09:16< gfgtdf> celticminstrel: not sure other tags liek [attack_anim] https://wiki.wesnoth.org/AnimationWML also seem to have 'value_seond' mayb its just doe the same
20170309 16:09:18 * zookeeper doesn't
20170309 16:10:45< zookeeper> oh it must be for passing this stuff: https://wiki.wesnoth.org/AnimationWML#Events_triggering_animations_and_default_animations
20170309 16:11:13< zookeeper> as in, meaningless for most animations but can be used with some.
20170309 16:17:15< celticminstrel> Okay, I think I've got the wiki fully updated for my wml_tag_porting PR now.
20170309 16:23:45< celticminstrel> Um, gfgtdf: https://wiki.wesnoth.org/EasyCoding#New_Lua_functionality
20170309 16:23:51< celticminstrel> What did you mean by that second one?
20170309 16:24:18< celticminstrel> Because it sounds like exactly what _("stuff", "other", n) already does.
20170309 16:24:32< celticminstrel> I guess better example is _("thing", "things", n).
20170309 16:25:20< gfgtdf> celticminstrel: y shoiudl be deleted if it is already implee,nted
20170309 16:26:02< celticminstrel> I think the implementation was even mentioned in the linked bug.
20170309 16:26:16< gfgtdf> celticminstrel: you think we shodul add  proposal for a wml interface to the easycoding page ?
20170309 16:26:27< celticminstrel> I'm not sure what you mean?
20170309 16:28:14< gfgtdf> celticminstrel: the mentioned bug curently askes for a wml interface we could add that one to the ewasycoding page instead not sure
20170309 16:28:41< celticminstrel> Ah.
20170309 16:28:59< gfgtdf> celticminstrel: unrelated: please dont forget http://gna.org/bugs/?25555 and http://gna.org/bugs/?25550
20170309 16:29:08< celticminstrel> I don't believe a generic WML interface is actually possible for translatable strings.
20170309 16:29:31< celticminstrel> But it should be possible to update certain ActionWML tags to have a common interface for plurals
20170309 16:29:36< celticminstrel> s/translatable/plural/
20170309 16:30:26< celticminstrel> About the bugs you linked, I made progress today - sort of. Just downloaded a later Boost version which I'm hoping will allow me to actually run Wesnoth on my Windows.
20170309 16:30:35< celticminstrel> Rather than crashing at startup.
20170309 16:30:49< gfgtdf> i wonder is there a ways to handle multiple numbers a ina  single string, liek th wiki example: string.format(_("Yout got %n, but you need %n"), n_items, max_items) in mean it coudl be possibel that the actual translated message depends on both numbers.
20170309 16:31:17< celticminstrel> I suspect not.
20170309 16:31:41< celticminstrel> I think what I'd recommend in this case is having three separate strings.
20170309 16:32:12< celticminstrel> So, if your desired string is something like "You have 5 coins, but you need 72 coins"...
20170309 16:32:33< celticminstrel> Then you have a translatable string with no plurals, "You have $have, but you need $need".
20170309 16:33:04< celticminstrel> And another translatable string with plurals, "1 coin", "$n coins"
20170309 16:33:31< celticminstrel> Suppose the translatable strings are in vars whole and noun, respectively.
20170309 16:34:03< celticminstrel> Then call string.format(whole, {have=string.format(noun, items}, need=string.format(noun, items_needed)})
20170309 16:34:14< celticminstrel> In this example, two of the three strings ended up being the same.
20170309 16:34:30< celticminstrel> I'm not 100% sure how well this would work across languages, but...
20170309 16:34:57< celticminstrel> I suspect that it could be made to work as long as the components are restricted to being just a simple noun phrase and nothing else.
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20170309 16:52:15< celticminstrel> I still want to see this implemented for 1.14... though at this point it seems unlikely to happen. https://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=42966
20170309 16:58:43< celticminstrel> Though thanks to Jyrki getting campaignd buildable on Windows, I might be able to at least get it started at some point...
20170309 17:02:40< gfgtdf> celticminstrel: are you using msvc 2017 ?
20170309 17:02:45< celticminstrel> Still 2013.
20170309 17:03:16< celticminstrel> Why do you ask?
20170309 17:04:57 * celticminstrel is extracting Boost 1.63 now.
20170309 17:05:23< gfgtdf> i just wondered  whetehr we have soneone that alrady usins msvc 2017.
20170309 17:05:30< celticminstrel> Ah.
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20170309 18:35:16< irker705> wesnoth: Jyrki Vesterinen wesnoth:master 0c6619905af8 / src/gui/ (4 files in 2 dirs): Add ability to update individual add-ons https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/0c6619905af84fc1228a64aa56cceeb9f1b9311e
20170309 18:43:04< celticminstrel> Updated to Boost 1.63, now rebuilding.
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20170309 18:58:27< gfgtdf> did we increase the boos requirments recently?
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20170309 18:59:12< celticminstrel> Not that I'm aware of?
20170309 18:59:17< celticminstrel> I was using 1.58 before.
20170309 18:59:25< gfgtdf> and it didnt work?
20170309 19:01:37< celticminstrel> Crashed on startup.
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20170309 20:10:05< travis-ci> wesnoth/wesnoth#12860 (master - 0c66199 : Jyrki Vesterinen): The build has errored.
20170309 20:10:05< travis-ci> Build details : https://travis-ci.org/wesnoth/wesnoth/builds/209462747
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20170309 23:24:10< travis-ci> Build details : https://travis-ci.org/wesnoth/wesnoth/builds/209527226
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