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20170319 00:00:03< vultraz_iOS> ive noticed nothing untoward today
20170319 00:00:14< celticminstrel> Did you start a game and try attacking something?
20170319 00:00:20< vultraz_iOS> yes
20170319 00:00:26< celticminstrel> Okay good.
20170319 00:00:28< zookeeper> i meant like checking that all campaigns start up, etc
20170319 00:00:33< vultraz_iOS> meh
20170319 00:00:35< matthiaskrgr> lol
20170319 00:00:45< celticminstrel> Oh, that's not a bad idea and shouldn't take too long... >_>
20170319 00:00:48< zookeeper> i'll start from the bottom of the list
20170319 00:00:56< vultraz_iOS> DO I PUSH THE TAG OR NOT
20170319 00:01:30< zookeeper> wtf is wrong with NR's intro screen, it looks dumb
20170319 00:01:35< celticminstrel> XD
20170319 00:01:40< zookeeper> with the changing flag and no text immediately, etc
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20170319 00:01:52< zookeeper> i mean probably not a technical bug, but someone's just made it look a bit silly i believe
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20170319 00:02:55< vultraz_iOS> ill wait on zookeeper
20170319 00:03:25< zookeeper> also i've always wondered what this "unlicked whelp" thing (SotBE) is about. do orcs have a tradition where you need to be... licked, whatever that means, before you're a real warrior or something?
20170319 00:04:17< vultraz_iOS> essentially means untempered 
20170319 00:04:19< celticminstrel> licked = beaten?
20170319 00:04:28< vultraz_iOS> yeah
20170319 00:04:38< vultraz_iOS> "you have not gone through trials" or smth
20170319 00:04:39< celticminstrel> I assume that's the intended meaning there, plus a helping of metaphor.
20170319 00:04:44< celticminstrel> What vultraz_iOS said.
20170319 00:04:49< zookeeper> obviously it means untempered, i wasn't asking what the intent is.
20170319 00:05:22< zookeeper> eh, everything from UtBS to DiD seems to work
20170319 00:05:23< vultraz_iOS> zzzzz
20170319 00:05:29< celticminstrel> I assume they don't consider you a warrior until you've seen battle.
20170319 00:05:33< celticminstrel> Or something like that.
20170319 00:05:37< irker064> wesnoth: Vultraz wesnoth: e315aa39e77c tagged as 1.13.7
20170319 00:05:52< vultraz_iOS> *confetti*
20170319 00:06:00 * celticminstrel eats the confetti.
20170319 00:06:17-!- vultraz_iOS changed the topic of #wesnoth-dev to: 1.13.7 tagged, releasing this week | Discord Server: https://discord.gg/tSmJS2E | Wesnoth Developers Channel | >>> Want to help? Go here: http://r.wesnoth.org/t42911 (and thanks!) <<< | Logs: http://irclogs.wesnoth.org | Bug tracker: http://bugs.wesnoth.org
20170319 00:06:21< zookeeper> *vuvuzela*
20170319 00:06:30 * celticminstrel covers ears.
20170319 00:06:33< zookeeper> this week? like, today?
20170319 00:06:37< vultraz_iOS> now I'll leave it to other people to do the actual hard work
20170319 00:06:51< celticminstrel> "this week" means tomorrow. :P
20170319 00:07:12< celticminstrel> But I think the actual intent is for it to be true going forward, not at this exact moment. >_>
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20170319 00:10:50< irker064> wesnoth: Charles Dang wesnoth:master b1b378c0907b / Doxyfile changelog players_changelog projectfiles/Xcode/Info.plist src/wesconfig.h: Post-release version bump https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/b1b378c0907b370bffc52e0cbde14f9b2bf241ef
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20170319 00:11:09< vultraz_iOS> i missed a 1.13.6 string in the xcode plist
20170319 00:11:40< vultraz_iOS> 73 fixed bugs this release
20170319 00:11:46< matthiaskrgr> \o/
20170319 00:11:50< vultraz_iOS> some introduced in the intermediary, but still
20170319 00:12:47< celticminstrel> Exactly 68k commits as of now. o.o
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20170319 00:13:44< travis-ci> wesnoth/wesnoth#13003 (master - 07de0a0 : ln-zookeeper): The build has errored.
20170319 00:13:44< travis-ci> Build details : https://travis-ci.org/wesnoth/wesnoth/builds/212537899
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20170319 00:14:52< vultraz_iOS> so fucking tedious to close these bugs >_>
20170319 00:15:35< matthiaskrgr> eh am I gonna get 20 bug mails now? 
20170319 00:15:44< vultraz_iOS> yes
20170319 00:15:54< matthiaskrgr> :< 
20170319 00:15:58< celticminstrel> Heh
20170319 00:20:31< Shiki> who receives the most mails? :P
20170319 00:21:07< vultraz_iOS> you?
20170319 00:21:16< vultraz_iOS> or me?
20170319 00:21:19< vultraz_iOS> or matthiaskrgr?
20170319 00:21:32< celticminstrel> Probably Vultraz.
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20170319 00:21:39< Shiki> probably
20170319 00:21:43< celticminstrel> Because simply by closing it I expect he'd receive the email.
20170319 00:22:08< vultraz_iOS> ah true
20170319 00:22:15< matthiaskrgr> :D 
20170319 00:23:02< celticminstrel> I have 14 bugmails so far!
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20170319 00:23:32< matthiaskrgr> I got 13, lol
20170319 00:23:35< celticminstrel> Or... not? For some reason it went down to 11.
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20170319 00:23:51< matthiaskrgr> 14
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20170319 00:24:08< Shiki> I have 12
20170319 00:24:12< celticminstrel> Maybe 14 was counting the three from yesterday I marked read.
20170319 00:27:09< vultraz_iOS> DONE
20170319 00:27:17< celticminstrel> :O
20170319 00:27:23< vultraz_iOS> 73 fixed closed
20170319 00:27:26< vultraz_iOS> 1 invalid closed
20170319 00:27:34< vultraz_iOS> and 1 won't fix that was for some reason open
20170319 00:27:41< celticminstrel> I have 13 bugmails now.
20170319 00:29:18< matthiaskrgr> 14 :> 
20170319 00:29:22< Shiki> bug #25579  #25496 can be closes too
20170319 00:29:29< Shiki> *d
20170319 00:29:48< Shiki> still 12
20170319 00:31:52< celticminstrel> IIRC you need to announce on the mailing-list?
20170319 00:32:40< celticminstrel> Which incidentally is something else that needs to be replaced with the demise of GNA.
20170319 00:34:42< matthiaskrgr> demis of gna?
20170319 00:34:46< matthiaskrgr> +e
20170319 00:34:54< celticminstrel> Yeah, GNA is closing at some point.
20170319 00:35:07< matthiaskrgr> oh 
20170319 00:35:32< celticminstrel> There's wesnoth-dev and wesnoth-i18n mailing lists on GNA, plus a few others that seem unimportant.
20170319 00:36:02< matthiaskrgr> what are you going to use as new bugtracker?
20170319 00:36:09< matthiaskrgr> github?
20170319 00:36:37< celticminstrel> It's not technically settled yet, but github seems likely, because no-one has properly investigated the other options.
20170319 00:36:45< matthiaskrgr> :/
20170319 00:36:45< celticminstrel> JIRA and redmine were also suggested.
20170319 00:38:33< celticminstrel> Looks like downloading GNA's ML archives should be trivial if someone wants to.
20170319 00:39:20< loonycyborg> Is it possible to export bugs from gna?
20170319 00:39:36< celticminstrel> Yeah, I think zookeeper already did that just in case it suddenly closes.
20170319 00:39:37< loonycyborg> so we wouldn't lose them on new tracker
20170319 00:39:52< celticminstrel> But you'd want to do it again just before officially switching to the new tracker.
20170319 00:40:07< loonycyborg> maybe it's possible to automatically convert them to new tracker?
20170319 00:40:20< celticminstrel> Probably possible. No idea how easy it would be.
20170319 00:40:26< loonycyborg> hmm
20170319 00:40:42< loonycyborg> there exist at least one more hoster using same software
20170319 00:40:47< loonycyborg> savane
20170319 00:41:25< loonycyborg> http://savannah.gnu.org/
20170319 00:41:37< loonycyborg> maybe we could just move our bugs to savannah?
20170319 00:41:59< celticminstrel> savannah.nongnu.org
20170319 00:42:05< loonycyborg> yes
20170319 00:42:27< gfgtdf> well considereing that we wanted to switch fron gna anyways i don' think switching to same spoftware if a good solution.
20170319 00:43:21< Shiki> nick shiki|away
20170319 00:43:24< celticminstrel> Well, it's a possibility, but what gfgtdf said does apply.
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20170319 00:43:34< gfgtdf> also, independnet to which one we switch, the bug numbers might be different, it woudl be nice if we'd have some easy to use list to get the new bug ids form the odl id
20170319 00:43:46< gfgtdf> this is important oif one ready an older commit mesage that refers to a bug
20170319 00:43:50< gfgtdf> reads*
20170319 00:44:19< celticminstrel> gfgtdf: I'd at least suggest that each ported bug report contains its GNA bug number.
20170319 00:45:35< gfgtdf> afaik the project did alrady switch the butracker once (from savannah i think?), you can for exampel see that at very early commits the bug numbers doesn't macth thes in our curent tracker
20170319 00:46:31< celticminstrel> I've noticed occasional reports on GNA that reference an earlier bug tracker.
20170319 00:46:59< celticminstrel> Ported reports definitely need to preserve all the comments regardless of the new tracker chosen.
20170319 00:47:41< loonycyborg> https://confluence.atlassian.com/adminjiraserver073/migrating-from-other-issue-trackers-861253679.html
20170319 00:47:52< loonycyborg> savane isn't in list of importers
20170319 00:48:37< celticminstrel> I dunno if it can export to CSV.
20170319 00:49:11< gfgtdf> hm i think it shodulnt that hard to convert gnas format to one of those accepd formats
20170319 00:51:17< celticminstrel> JSON and CSV seem the most generic options.
20170319 00:51:29< celticminstrel> I have no idea what GNA's dump looks like.
20170319 00:51:35< gfgtdf> wonder how it works for attachements tough
20170319 00:51:47< gfgtdf> celticminstrel: its some xml format iirc.
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20170319 00:55:04< celticminstrel> So it could theoretically transformed to eg JSON with a script.
20170319 00:56:05< celticminstrel> Apparently you need to apply for a JIRA open-source license.
20170319 00:56:38 * celticminstrel also imagines that the use of JIRA could scare off a few open-source zealots. >_>
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20170319 01:08:59< loonycyborg> I don't like it for sure
20170319 01:09:06< loonycyborg> I'd prefer trac
20170319 01:09:46< loonycyborg> I might even consider working on transition to it myself
20170319 01:10:37< loonycyborg> anyway I've uploaded tarball and off to sleep
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20170319 01:59:18< celticminstrel> So I still need to figure out my Boost link errors with 1.63...
20170319 01:59:26< celticminstrel> (On MSVC 2013.)
20170319 01:59:40< celticminstrel> I thought maybe I had the wrong version, but it clearly says vc120 in the filenames.
20170319 02:04:22< celticminstrel> Looking at the Boost bzip header, it looks like the bzip library is not auto-linked like other libraries are...
20170319 02:04:47< celticminstrel> Oh wait, I think I just found where it is...
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20170319 02:15:23< celticminstrel> Ooh, the missing symbols are static variables...
20170319 02:16:23< celticminstrel> Looks like every one of the missing symbols is a static variable, some in iostreams, one in program_options, and the locale IDs.
20170319 02:20:33< celticminstrel> I downloaded the 32-bit version. I doubt that would be the issue though; even though my machine is 64-bit I'm pretty sure it's compiling for 32-bit.
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20170319 04:14:34< vultraz_iOS> celticminstrel: now that we have 1.13.7 on its way, should we consider dropping MSVC 2013?
20170319 04:14:43< vultraz_iOS> and since 2017 is out?
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20170319 04:52:55< celticminstrel> vultraz_iOS: I was thinking about that and concluded "maybe after 1.14".
20170319 04:53:41< vultraz_iOS> What are the benefits?
20170319 04:55:10< celticminstrel> That sounds like a question for you to answer?
20170319 04:55:49< celticminstrel> I don't remember much we really needed that 2013 didn't support... there were one or two small things, maybe.
20170319 04:56:00< celticminstrel> Like constexpr, but TBH we don't really need that.
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20170319 05:28:23< JyrkiVesterinen> celmin|sleep: Indeed, MSVC builds are 32-bit.
20170319 05:29:35< JyrkiVesterinen> And for what it's worth, the Boost binaries in https://github.com/aquileia/external/tree/VC12 work fine for me.
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20170319 06:20:14< travis-ci> wesnoth/wesnoth#13012 (1.13.7 - e315aa3 : Charles Dang): The build passed.
20170319 06:20:14< travis-ci> Build details : https://travis-ci.org/wesnoth/wesnoth/builds/212578299
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20170319 06:52:25< vultraz_iOS> well, it better
20170319 06:52:35< vultraz_iOS> (re the build
20170319 06:52:36< vultraz_iOS> )
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20170319 08:14:36< Aginor> I looked into migrating issues from gna to JIRA and it looked pretty straightforward
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20170319 09:45:31< vultraz_iOS> Aginor: do you know if you will be fixing any more bugs before 1.14 - specifically, labels not showing when dialogs are open?
20170319 09:49:16< zookeeper> and related to rendering, unit halos are still glitchy when moving (for example see the DM intro).
20170319 09:50:11< vultraz_iOS> i noticed
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20170319 11:38:20< irker097> wesnoth: Charles Dang wesnoth:master 7f820c1d5887 / src/ (3 files in 2 dirs): SP: cleaned up a useless function argument https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/7f820c1d5887bc6e28659c9b08bf60c8127dc85e
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20170319 13:15:26< irker097> wesnoth: gfgtdf wesnoth:lua_game_config_next_scenario 3a14c5c9614a / src/scripting/game_lua_kernel.cpp: replace wesnoth.set_next_scenario() with wesnoth.game_config.next_scenario sette https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/3a14c5c9614a5ecdbbe1932892c4ceac3f16a003
20170319 13:20:11< celmin|sleep> Sounds good.
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20170319 14:05:54< irker097> wesnoth: Celtic Minstrel wesnoth:master b4dc11ce36e2 / src/ (1107 files in 55 dirs): Belated 2017 copyright update https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/b4dc11ce36e282458e2891a36baddb6dab13186d
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20170319 14:15:05< zookeeper> noooo.
20170319 14:15:08 * zookeeper belates
20170319 14:15:24< celticminstrel> ?
20170319 14:15:39< zookeeper> oh wait, wrong word. i thought belated had a different meaning.
20170319 14:15:58< celticminstrel> Okay then.
20170319 14:16:22< zookeeper> i'm just noooing because now recompiling probably takes forever
20170319 14:16:31< celticminstrel> True, true.
20170319 14:16:38< matthiaskrgr> lol 
20170319 14:17:13< matthiaskrgr> #import copyright.cpp  
20170319 14:17:15< matthiaskrgr> :D 
20170319 14:18:35< celticminstrel> So about https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/blob/master/src/menu_events.cpp#L1794
20170319 14:18:49< celticminstrel> It's something that should probably not be translated, generally, but...
20170319 14:18:56< celticminstrel> Maybe it should be transliterated in some case, not sure.
20170319 14:19:10< celticminstrel> So should I add a translator's comment? Or just remove the translation mark?
20170319 14:19:29< celticminstrel> ^ome cases
20170319 14:19:57< celticminstrel> ...some
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20170319 14:20:41< travis-ci> wesnoth/wesnoth#13015 (lua_game_config_next_scenario - 3a14c5c : gfgtdf): The build passed.
20170319 14:20:41< travis-ci> Build details : https://travis-ci.org/wesnoth/wesnoth/builds/212682162
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20170319 14:50:10< celticminstrel> Really want to solve that Test of the Clans translation problem, but still can't see any way to do so...
20170319 14:51:02< celticminstrel> Other than moving the [print] into Lua code.
20170319 14:51:32< celticminstrel> But then there's also the [objectives] which might be questionable.
20170319 14:52:38< zookeeper> what problem?
20170319 14:53:24< celticminstrel> "Still x clan members to defeat!" needs to be a plural string for translators to handle it properly.
20170319 14:53:35< celticminstrel> But WML does not and possibly cannot support plural strings.
20170319 14:54:04< zookeeper> uh, but that's easy to fix?
20170319 14:54:10< celticminstrel> Is it?
20170319 14:54:55< zookeeper> well just use a different strings for plural and singular cases?
20170319 14:55:02< zookeeper> i mean, what could possibly be the problem
20170319 14:55:20< celticminstrel> You can't just have an [if] block differentiating between singular and plural.
20170319 14:55:27< zookeeper> why?
20170319 14:55:41< celticminstrel> That'll work for English, but not for other languages, where the string might change for numbers other than 1.
20170319 14:56:29< zookeeper> oh, by "support plural strings" you mean that the translator can provide an arbitrary number of translations for however and whichever number-versions they wish?
20170319 14:56:38< celticminstrel> Yes.
20170319 14:56:45< celticminstrel> It is easy to fix by replacing the [print] with a [lua] block that does the same thing, though. I just don't like that solution. Plus that doesn't help for the objectives string which likely has the same problem.
20170319 14:57:39< zookeeper> well, sure, okay, that of course can't be done. how the heck does lua allow that though?
20170319 14:58:18< celticminstrel> Because I added support for plural strings in Lua.
20170319 14:58:24< celticminstrel> _(singular, plural, n)
20170319 14:59:10< celticminstrel> The problem in WML is that n is not known when the string is evaluated.
20170319 14:59:54< zookeeper> can you name any example where an existing translation actually makes use of that feature? i'd like to see what it looks like in the po files
20170319 15:00:05< celticminstrel> (this turn left)
20170319 15:00:17 * zookeeper looks
20170319 15:00:56< celticminstrel> The meaning of msgstr[0], msgstr[1], etc is defined by something in the header of the po file.
20170319 15:01:37< celticminstrel> There are quite a few such strings in the C++; the one I just cited is the only one currently in the Lua code.
20170319 15:02:06< zookeeper> interesting
20170319 15:03:33< zookeeper> you wouldn't happen to remember a language which does actually make use of it? :p
20170319 15:03:39< zookeeper> like, different strings for 2, 3, etc
20170319 15:05:05< celticminstrel> Off the top of my head, languages mentioned for which this can be a problem include Scottish Gaelic and Slovenian.
20170319 15:05:23< celticminstrel> ^languages that have been mentioned
20170319 15:05:31< celticminstrel> I'm sure there are more, too.
20170319 15:06:48< zookeeper> for all the countless translations i've checked, if there are multiple msgstr[] strings then they're always identical
20170319 15:08:12< zookeeper> ah, found one
20170319 15:09:00< zookeeper> yes, indeed scottish gaelic. i was looking in the wrong file first -.-
20170319 15:10:38< zookeeper> so, i dunno if it's possible for something like that to be directly supported in WML, but it would be nice of course
20170319 15:13:12< celticminstrel> One proposal for supporting it in ActionWML was a macro that basically uses Lua to store the resolved string in a WML variable... the problem really is that the textdomain needs to be explicitly specified for that to work.
20170319 15:13:45< celticminstrel> (Because Lua needs to declare the textdomain in order to use it.)
20170319 15:18:55< celticminstrel> I'm pretty sure that that wouldn't work for objective strings though.
20170319 15:19:10< celticminstrel> Because IIRC those are resolved anew every time you view the objectives.
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20170319 15:33:15< zookeeper> i can't really see what the fundamental problem with supporting it in WML is, if it's something lua can already do. i mean, i suppose it'd need some kind of new syntax so wmlxgettext can treat the string right, but as for substituting the string with the correct number-version from the translation, wouldn't that part work the same way it works for lua?
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20170319 16:06:10< celticminstrel> Well, the problem is that the number isn't known when the string is parsed.
20170319 16:07:11< celticminstrel> And the string needs to be evaluated when it's parsed, because it's looked up by a key from the code. It's not looked up by a key plus a number.
20170319 16:08:10< celticminstrel> If there was a new data type that wasn't a string but could be combined with a number to get a string, then it might work, though that would likely create plenty of problems...
20170319 16:10:27< zookeeper> oh right, it's the translated version that gets evaluated, so first the translated version is fetched and then that's evaluated. well, as said it'd need new syntax to allow the translation-fetching to be tied to a given variable
20170319 16:13:09< zookeeper> for a (bad) example, it could be marked in WML like this: description= _ "$units_to_slay^Defeat $units_to_slay enemy units" so when it's parsed it can notice that the string is tied to the units_to_slay variable, so it fetches the translation based on the value of that variable.
20170319 16:13:23< zookeeper> or does what i'm saying actually make no sense at all? :p
20170319 16:17:44< zookeeper> (and of course the above wouldn't even be new syntax)
20170319 16:17:51< celticminstrel> I'm not sure.
20170319 16:21:03< celticminstrel> Note that variables are not even guaranteed to exist for general WML.
20170319 16:21:30< celticminstrel> They exist in ActionWML and in filter WML.
20170319 16:22:37< celticminstrel> I don't think there'd be any need for plural strings in non-action WML though.
20170319 16:23:22< zookeeper> yeah, because this thing kind of only applies to strings which use variable substitution in the first place :P
20170319 16:23:31< celticminstrel> Pretty much.
20170319 16:23:52< zookeeper> not categorically?
20170319 16:23:59< celticminstrel> ?
20170319 16:24:34< celticminstrel> But that's why it would seem weird to encode the possibility of plural strings into the WML syntax, because that would mean you can use them anywhere in WML - not just where variables exist.
20170319 16:25:02< celticminstrel> I could maybe imagine encoding it into the variable substitution syntax somehow...
20170319 16:25:18< zookeeper> right, you mean that someone could try to pluralize a string based on variable X even if variable X isn't used as part of the string
20170319 16:25:49< zookeeper> well, doesn't sound like a problem to me? just document it saying that it only works where variable substitution works.
20170319 16:25:53< celticminstrel> So like... _"Still $units_to_slay clan $?member:members| to defeat!"
20170319 16:26:20< celticminstrel> Maybe not that specific syntax, mind you.
20170319 16:26:57< celticminstrel> So wmlxgettext would check for the presence of a plural-test in the string and, if present, consider it to be a plural string with the singular and plural versions the same.
20170319 16:27:26< celticminstrel> Then translators would just remove the plural-test and replace it with appropriate values for each string.
20170319 16:28:04< zookeeper> $units_to_slay?_"Still $units_to_slay clan member to defeat!":_"Still $units_to_slay clan members to defeat!" :p
20170319 16:28:13< celticminstrel> Not sure if wmlxgettext can restrict this to strings nested within [event] or [command] tags...
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20170319 16:28:54< celticminstrel> Heh, but that's still a brand-new syntax, and additionally it's compatible with the old syntax - ie, it looks like two translatable strings on the same line.
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20170319 16:30:34< zookeeper> i'd tend to think that the ^ thing would be the most convenient to use; it already exists, it's already known to be for stuff that's not part of the actual string, it'll automatically gracefully fail if something breaks, etc
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20170319 16:32:44< celticminstrel> I think I kinda like the idea of a new syntax related to to the variable substitution syntax, but there's still a problem there... if it's marked like a standard translatable string and only identified as maybe-plural based on its content... then it would be resolved as a non-plural string and then, hopefully, re-resolved as a possibly-plural string... so there are still big problems with this approach...
20170319 16:32:47< zookeeper> but as said i'm not sure how all that stuff works so my suggestions might not make technical sense
20170319 16:33:12< vultraz_iOS> zookeeper: still not seeing borders in replays
20170319 16:33:38< zookeeper> vultraz_iOS, ohh, i completely forgot about that
20170319 16:33:53< celticminstrel> So is the release bundled yet?
20170319 16:34:21< vultraz_iOS> the tarball is
20170319 16:34:33< celticminstrel> Well, that's good I guess.
20170319 16:34:40< celticminstrel> Has it been announced on the mailing list?
20170319 16:34:53< zookeeper> also, wtf is filling my ssd? yesterday it suddenly was much fuller than it had been a few days ago, and now it's just as full again even though i deleted gigs of stuff
20170319 16:34:55< vultraz_iOS> I don't think it needs to be
20170319 16:34:57< celticminstrel> Or wherever it needed to be announced.
20170319 16:35:16< vultraz_iOS> I'm going to remove https://gna.org/bugs/?24491 from the announcement's list of known bugs
20170319 16:35:19< celticminstrel> I mean, packagers need to be notified and stuff.
20170319 16:35:19< vultraz_iOS> it seems to be fixed
20170319 16:35:28< vultraz_iOS> celticminstrel: I've notified ancestral
20170319 16:36:12< celticminstrel> And what about the Linux packagers?
20170319 16:36:34< vultraz_iOS> not necessary for release
20170319 16:36:51< celticminstrel> They do need to be notified.
20170319 16:36:51< vultraz_iOS> plus they watch this channel
20170319 16:36:56< celticminstrel> Do they?
20170319 16:37:02< celticminstrel> If they do, then at least ping them?
20170319 16:37:17< vultraz_iOS> well, Rhonda does
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20170319 16:39:14< vultraz_iOS> time to rebuild All The FIles
20170319 16:39:18< vultraz_iOS> since codeblocks has no ccache
20170319 16:39:28< celticminstrel> Yaaaaay!
20170319 16:39:47< celticminstrel> Not quite all though. I made a list of files that are missing copyright info.
20170319 16:39:59< celticminstrel> I'll post it sometime probably.
20170319 16:40:31< celticminstrel> At least one of them is my fault.
20170319 16:40:53< celticminstrel> A few seem to be gfgtdf's fault. I didn't look through every single one though.
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20170319 16:42:49< vultraz_iOS> it's not good we don't have an active macOS dev in the runup to 1.14 :(
20170319 16:46:41< zookeeper> vultraz_iOS, that replay border thing is weird. not that i've investigated yet at all, but i don't see how they can _not_ be drawn.
20170319 16:47:21< celticminstrel> Agreed...
20170319 16:47:25< vultraz_iOS> indeed
20170319 16:47:53< zookeeper> there must be code that specifically refuses to draw the images, or something... oh well, i'll find out soon enough i guess
20170319 16:47:54< celticminstrel> I mean, there are two MacOS devs, but neither are all that active. And then there's me who's active but tries not to have to build Wesnoth on the Mac.
20170319 16:49:04< vultraz_iOS> *once again repeats offer for company to purchase you a nice new macbook*
20170319 16:49:16< vultraz_iOS> if we want a macOS build on Steam we *need* an active dev who can build
20170319 16:50:20< vultraz_iOS> and we;re getting dangerously close to the 1.12 situation where we didn't even initially have a macos package at all
20170319 16:50:35< vultraz_iOS> granted, we still have ancestral, but I dunno if we can rely on him forever
20170319 16:51:28< zookeeper> ohh, right, the whole map rect for replays is calculated differently as to cut off the borders, i think
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20170319 16:51:50< vultraz_iOS> the fuck :|
20170319 16:52:41< zookeeper> yeah, that's the reason
20170319 16:52:57< zookeeper> i dunno why though, perhaps to give a slight visual difference between play and replay
20170319 16:54:10< zookeeper> ohh! replay theme?
20170319 16:54:43< zookeeper> is there such a thing
20170319 16:55:17< celticminstrel> I'm not going to accept a MBP or even a MB from Wesnoth.
20170319 16:59:50< zookeeper> can i get a cybernetic arm?
20170319 17:00:13< celticminstrel> XD
20170319 17:00:43< zookeeper> with an integrated launcher which fires small squeaky mallets
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20170319 17:09:19< vultraz_iOS> celticminstrel: we're not being altruistic, it's to ensure continued support for macs :P
20170319 17:11:05< celticminstrel> I know.
20170319 17:14:10< vultraz_iOS> but, we can't force you to accept. Just reminding you the offer's there.
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20170319 17:38:47< vultraz_iOS> zookeeper: isn't the MAIN_MAP_BORDER macro unneeded now?
20170319 17:39:39< zookeeper> not quite, it still defines at least the background image
20170319 17:44:59< zookeeper> okay, it's definitely related to the replay theme
20170319 17:45:40< zookeeper> when i comment out the controller_.get_display().get_theme().modify(replay_theme_cfg); lines, the replay theme won't get used and the borders work normally
20170319 17:46:07< zookeeper> however, i also did try inserting {MAIN_MAP_BORDER} to the replay theme in all sorts of ways, to no avail
20170319 17:46:27< vultraz_iOS> I did also
20170319 17:48:27< vultraz_iOS> ah!
20170319 17:48:30< vultraz_iOS> zookeeper: fixed it
20170319 17:48:39< zookeeper> :o
20170319 17:49:33< zookeeper> tell us, o wise one
20170319 17:51:23< vultraz_iOS> one sec while i find out if this is the optimal method
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20170319 17:56:31< irker978> wesnoth: Charles Dang wesnoth:master 9fd50585cc9c / src/theme.cpp: Themes: don't erroneously reset border on adding new object https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/9fd50585cc9c53a5ec4dca86804f8474f63924a2
20170319 17:56:34< vultraz_iOS> zookeeper: ^
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20170319 17:58:04< zookeeper> ohh, right
20170319 17:58:13< zookeeper> cool
20170319 17:59:01< zookeeper> but shouldn't adding [main_map_border] to the replay theme have worked then?
20170319 17:59:57< vultraz_iOS> nope
20170319 18:00:02< vultraz_iOS> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/kMVKYPNc/
20170319 18:00:33< vultraz_iOS> well, I suppose it could have worked inside [add]
20170319 18:00:37< vultraz_iOS> but for some reasonit did not
20170319 18:00:50< zookeeper> yeah, i'm wondering why it didn't
20170319 18:01:08< vultraz_iOS> it might have
20170319 18:01:13< zookeeper> it didn't!
20170319 18:01:13< vultraz_iOS> if it was the *last* add child
20170319 18:01:17< zookeeper> ah
20170319 18:01:20< zookeeper> yeah i didn't try that
20170319 18:01:29< vultraz_iOS> neither i
20170319 18:01:32< zookeeper> well, if it works now then that's great
20170319 18:01:35< vultraz_iOS> in that case this is a better fix
20170319 18:01:46< zookeeper> here, have a squeaky cookie
20170319 18:01:52< vultraz_iOS> *nom nom*
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20170319 18:27:32< matthiaskrgr>   666 of 13731 files optimized, 3733616 bytes reduced to 2813725 bytes; -919891 bytes, -24.63%     with 10 % threshold  on current master
20170319 18:28:49< matthiaskrgr> (the woptipng thingy)
20170319 18:31:47< celticminstrel> 666! :O
20170319 18:32:20< matthiaskrgr> D: 
20170319 18:43:52< zookeeper> |,,/
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20170319 19:41:29< Rhonda> vultraz_iOS: well, Ivanovic always sent out a mail to various packages about releases, it helps a lot. too many channels otherwise to follow, and signal/notice ratio doesn't scale without hilights like yours :)
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20170319 19:45:23< Rhonda> like, push notifications always work way better and use way less raised than constant expected pulling of potential same data
20170319 19:45:39< Rhonda> less resources*
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20170319 20:05:33< vultraz_iOS> Rhonda: I don't follow
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20170319 20:49:56< Rhonda> vultraz_iOS: About you saying there is no need to notify packagers about releases.  I disagree with that.
20170319 20:51:15< Rhonda> You shouldn't expect packagers to follow this channel.  It's not that big of an effort to send out that mail, but it's a huge plus for the packagers.
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20170319 21:00:00< vultraz_iOS> Rhonda: ah, ok. 
20170319 21:00:28< vultraz_iOS> Rhonda: what should I do once the ml is shut down, though
20170319 21:01:27< vultraz_iOS> I'd suggest a role on discord that we can ping en masse, but I don't know if eveyone wants to use discord 
20170319 21:04:47< JyrkiVesterinen> I know. The answer is no: not everyone wants to use Discord. :P
20170319 21:04:58< JyrkiVesterinen> We don't even have the full core development team there.
20170319 21:10:58< vultraz_iOS> well, we need some solution
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20170319 21:19:56< zookeeper> well you get another mailing list, of course, and import the recipients from the current ones?
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20170319 21:21:11< Rhonda> vultraz_iOS: It wasn't done through a mailinglist, Ivanovic did send a mail to a few people with the new releases in cc.
20170319 21:21:20< vultraz_iOS> oh
20170319 21:25:10< zookeeper> even easier, then :p
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20170319 21:41:03< loonycyborg> awwdammit
20170319 21:41:09< loonycyborg> I forgot about it
20170319 21:41:25< loonycyborg> I'll send now
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20170319 21:54:29< loonycyborg> Soliton: new release is out. Release procedure tells to notify you or shadowm that server configuration needs to be updated
20170319 21:54:47< loonycyborg> shadowm will get a mail though
20170319 21:54:55< loonycyborg> he's in list of packagers
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20170319 22:28:35< irker026> wesnoth: gfgtdf wesnoth:lua_game_config_next_scenario 2006cb4f4c5d / data/lua/wml/endlevel.lua: Update endlevel.lua https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/2006cb4f4c5d467e445bedaf7b5c9b94142823e5
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20170319 22:52:16< gfgtdf> zookeeper: you know wjeterh it is currently possible to change the theme during a screnario by wml/lua ?
20170319 22:53:02< zookeeper> surely not, seeing how changing the theme requires a reload, i think?
20170319 22:55:35< celticminstrel> Pretty sure I've changed themes while a game was in progress...?
20170319 22:55:39< celticminstrel> Through the prefs.
20170319 22:55:48< celticminstrel> Though IIRC it didn't work entirely correctly.
20170319 22:56:15< gfgtdf> i means the theme that spwcifies which button are/panels are avialable as in [scenario] theme=
20170319 22:56:54< gfgtdf> replay can change the theme during the game, when you play 'continue game' the 'replay theme button' is removed, the game continues and without a relog happen
20170319 22:56:56< celticminstrel> The theme chosen in the preferences, right? If a scenario doesn't override it that is.
20170319 22:57:15< gfgtdf> right forgot that
20170319 22:57:23< gfgtdf> reload*
20170319 22:59:10< zookeeper> gfgtdf, well maybe that's handled in a special way somehow?
20170319 22:59:24< zookeeper> the replay theme isn't a complete independent theme after all
20170319 23:06:43< vultraz_iOS> celticminstrel: merge api_use_updates?
20170319 23:07:16< celticminstrel> Uh. I'd say yes, but the tests are failing, so... (also there's two commits not currently up there).
20170319 23:07:32< celticminstrel> I want it merged, but I don't want failing tests.
20170319 23:07:34< vultraz_iOS> tests are failing because the branch is a week old
20170319 23:07:55< vultraz_iOS> or wait
20170319 23:07:56< celticminstrel> Well, I'll try updating it and see if they pass this time, but I'm not too hopeful.
20170319 23:08:10< vultraz_iOS> no, it broke when the master was passing
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20170319 23:09:34< celticminstrel> It's kinda weird, because the broken tests are those to test [modify_ai], but the commit didn't touch the implementation of [modify_ai].3
20170319 23:09:56< celticminstrel> All it did is make MicroAIs use the underlying API calls instead of calling the [modify_ai] tag.
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20170319 23:11:20< irker026> wesnoth: Celtic Minstrel wesnoth:api_use_updates 300ca4a6b4d0 / data/ai/micro_ais/ (7 files in 4 dirs): Update Micro AIs to use new Lua API functions for altering AI https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/300ca4a6b4d091c31169d32e27a1301044a6e35f
20170319 23:11:22< irker026> wesnoth: Celtic Minstrel wesnoth:api_use_updates eee6d0f87f5a / data/lua/wml-tags.lua: Update [heal_unit] to use new animation API calls https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/eee6d0f87f5a4e3a0d151c27c187e5c72d0069f6
20170319 23:11:24< irker026> wesnoth: Celtic Minstrel wesnoth:api_use_updates 8658379ef454 / src/scripting/ (lua_kernel_base.cpp lua_map_location_ops.cpp lua_map_location_ops.hpp): Some changes to the undocumented location Lua API https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/8658379ef454b068114d0fb40e51d5dad2fbfe32
20170319 23:26:05< vultraz_iOS> I wonder if we should create a Github Pages page
20170319 23:30:09< vultraz_iOS> since the website revamp project fell through it might be an easy way to get a nice new frontpage
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20170319 23:51:18< travis-ci> gfgtdf/wesnoth#742 (game_data - 95c647b : gfgtdf): The build passed.
20170319 23:51:18< travis-ci> Build details : https://travis-ci.org/gfgtdf/wesnoth/builds/212812152
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20170319 23:59:40< celticminstrel> vultraz_iOS: I don't think Github Pages is a good way to host a website. It's for people who don't really have the means to host it themselves, which does not described Wesnoth.
20170319 23:59:45< celticminstrel> ^describe
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