--- Log opened Tue Mar 21 00:00:08 2017 --- Day changed Tue Mar 21 2017 20170321 00:00:08-!- wario [~wario_@unaffiliated/wario] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20170321 00:31:18-!- ToBeCloud [uid51591@wikimedia/ToBeFree] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 20170321 00:33:25-!- wesnoth-discord- [~wesnoth-d@baldras.wesnoth.org] has joined #wesnoth 20170321 02:14:45-!- Appleman1234 [~Appleman1@pl27616.ag1212.nttpc.ne.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20170321 02:24:16-!- celticminstrel is now known as celmin|sleep 20170321 02:34:00-!- Appleman1234 [~Appleman1@pl2144.nas82b.p-tokyo.nttpc.ne.jp] has joined #wesnoth 20170321 02:56:59< wesnoth-discord-> @Vultraz you continue to fail to explain why "everyone uses the same client, we get a unified experience" is actually a good and desirable thing 20170321 02:57:54< wesnoth-discord-> It means enables the app to be sure everyone is seeing the same thing. I know if I add some inline code 20170321 02:57:58< wesnoth-discord-> ```like so``` 20170321 02:58:04< wesnoth-discord-> you'll see exactly that 20170321 02:58:41< wesnoth-discord-> What would that potentially show in different IRC clients? 20170321 03:00:35< wesnoth-discord-> I don't know 20170321 03:03:07< Shiki> now you do vultraz_iOS 20170321 03:03:26< vultraz_iOS> heh 20170321 03:11:53-!- Appleman1234 [~Appleman1@pl2144.nas82b.p-tokyo.nttpc.ne.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20170321 03:12:48< aeth> That doesn't follow from there only being one client. It follows from it being a feature of Discord. 20170321 03:13:15< aeth> For the most part, IRC clients implement colors, background colors, bold, underline, etc., uniformly. 20170321 03:13:33< aeth> If an IRC 2.0 wanted to have Markdown that would appear as Markdown in text/terminal clients and formatted in all other clients, it could do that. 20170321 03:14:26< aeth> In fact, terminal-based IRC clients are for the most part ncurses-based, so you could probably render a large part of Markdown of source code, with syntax highlighting, in them. 20170321 03:14:51< aeth> Non-plain-text features are harder to log, though. 20170321 03:15:13< aeth> I guess with Markdown it's not an issue, though, because you can literally just log Markdown, which is designed to be stored in plain text anyway. 20170321 03:16:00< aeth> If I wrote an open source chat app that for some reason took off, and people made their own clients, the experience could still be fairly unified because they'd be cloning the feature set of the core client to the best of their ability. 20170321 03:17:06< vultraz_iOS> I guess my objection is more general 20170321 03:17:10-!- madmax28_ [~madmax28@xdsl-81-173-140-148.netcologne.de] has joined #wesnoth 20170321 03:17:17< vultraz_iOS> this is kinda like android vs ios 20170321 03:17:25< vultraz_iOS> with ios, all apple devices run it 20170321 03:17:31< vultraz_iOS> so it's easy for new features to come out 20170321 03:17:41< vultraz_iOS> and if you own an apple device, you'll get the new feature immediately 20170321 03:17:47< aeth> Anyway, if you want to use a "modern" chat app, gitter is now going to be fully open sourced because Gitlab (a good company) acquired them. 20170321 03:17:51< vultraz_iOS> whereas with android, there's a new release... 20170321 03:18:01< aeth> Gitter is afaik more directly comparable to Discord than IRC is. 20170321 03:18:04< vultraz_iOS> and then you wait years for your phone manufacturer to deploy and update 20170321 03:18:17< aeth> IRC is more directly comparable to gopher, but somehow unkillable and still alive. :-p 20170321 03:18:29< aeth> afaik, IRC predates WWW 20170321 03:18:54-!- Alkenrinnstet [~alkenrinn@42.61.217.253] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20170321 03:19:41-!- Shiki [~Shiki@141.39.226.226] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20170321 03:20:07-!- madmax28 [~madmax28@xdsl-81-173-140-148.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 20170321 03:21:01< vultraz_iOS> aeth: essentially, when everyone's using the same thing with a centralized distribution, it means I, the user, get updates and few features faster 20170321 03:21:06< vultraz_iOS> new* 20170321 03:21:25< vultraz_iOS> even if IRC 2.0 came out tomorrow, it would be a long time before we got clients for it 20170321 03:21:58< vultraz_iOS> whereas if discord pushes an update tomorrow, I and everyone else gets it tomorow 20170321 03:22:01< vultraz_iOS> aeth: you folow? 20170321 03:22:02< vultraz_iOS> follow* 20170321 03:23:41< aeth> vultraz_iOS: no 20170321 03:24:06< aeth> vultraz_iOS: if IRC 2.0 came out tomorrow, there would be IRC 2.0 clients out for it tomorrow or it's not really out yet 20170321 03:24:19< aeth> and then once it's out just pick one that stays up to date 20170321 03:26:39< aeth> And there's not much to do as far as features in a modern text chat app. Just support UTF-8 only (and JavaScript has terrible handling of Unicode afaik) and support a subset of UTF-8 for channels and nicks. 20170321 03:27:09< aeth> The only things that would need updating are integration with third party sites/services and (if it had it) voice chat, etc. 20170321 03:30:06-!- Alkenrinnstet [~alkenrinn@42.61.217.253] has joined #wesnoth 20170321 03:40:24-!- Appleman1234 [~Appleman1@pl12464.ag1212.nttpc.ne.jp] has joined #wesnoth 20170321 03:49:21-!- ArneBab_ [~quassel@freenet/developer/arnebab] has joined #wesnoth 20170321 03:53:39-!- ArneBab [~quassel@freenet/developer/arnebab] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 20170321 04:21:31-!- Alkenrinnstet [~alkenrinn@42.61.217.253] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20170321 04:21:59-!- Alkenrinnstet [~alkenrinn@42.61.217.253] has joined #wesnoth 20170321 04:23:46-!- Appleman1234 [~Appleman1@pl12464.ag1212.nttpc.ne.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20170321 04:26:03-!- Appleman1234 [~Appleman1@pl12464.ag1212.nttpc.ne.jp] has joined #wesnoth 20170321 04:28:07-!- Alkenrinnstet_ [~alkenrinn@42.61.217.253] has joined #wesnoth 20170321 04:30:25-!- Alkenrinnstet [~alkenrinn@42.61.217.253] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20170321 04:31:23-!- Alkenrinnstet [~alkenrinn@42.61.217.253] has joined #wesnoth 20170321 04:32:45-!- Alkenrinnstet_ [~alkenrinn@42.61.217.253] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20170321 04:34:16-!- Alkenrinnstet [~alkenrinn@42.61.217.253] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20170321 04:34:37-!- Alkenrinnstet [~alkenrinn@42.61.217.253] has joined #wesnoth 20170321 04:39:13-!- Alkenrinnstet [~alkenrinn@42.61.217.253] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20170321 04:42:02-!- Alkenrinnstet [~alkenrinn@42.61.217.253] has joined #wesnoth 20170321 04:43:12-!- Alkenrinnstet_ [~alkenrinn@42.61.217.253] has joined #wesnoth 20170321 04:46:33-!- Alkenrinnstet [~alkenrinn@42.61.217.253] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20170321 04:52:14-!- Alkenrinnstet_ [~alkenrinn@42.61.217.253] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 20170321 05:50:55-!- Kwandulin [~Kwandulin@p200300760F3E7D949DBFA08112E2C962.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #wesnoth 20170321 06:24:56-!- Aumpa [~Aumpa@2602:30a:2e73:100:3c4c:bb39:679f:700a] has joined #wesnoth 20170321 06:27:43-!- vultraz_iOS [uid24821@wesnoth/developer/vultraz] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 20170321 07:27:48-!- madmax28_ [~madmax28@xdsl-81-173-140-148.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20170321 07:44:04-!- zookeeper [~lmsnie@wesnoth/developer/zookeeper] has joined #wesnoth 20170321 08:30:59-!- Aumpa [~Aumpa@2602:30a:2e73:100:3c4c:bb39:679f:700a] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20170321 09:27:14< wesnoth-discord-> this bot is pretty sweet but messy 😃 20170321 09:30:25-!- RatArmy_ [~ratarmy@240f:b3:88e3:1:88d9:f2cf:b850:3f36] has joined #wesnoth 20170321 09:31:38< wesnoth-discord-> it is useful to catch up on logs without having to navigate to current date in logs folder 20170321 09:53:52< wesnoth-discord-> Search option is pretty good too 😄 20170321 10:01:56-!- Kwandulin [~Kwandulin@p200300760F3E7D949DBFA08112E2C962.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! 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