--- Log opened Thu Apr 06 00:00:54 2017 20170406 00:01:22-!- TheJJ [~rofl@ipbcc36896.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 20170406 00:01:46-!- TheJJ [~rofl@ipbcc36896.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de] has joined #wesnoth 20170406 00:31:42-!- ToBeFree [uid51591@wikimedia/ToBeFree] has joined #wesnoth 20170406 01:22:38-!- noy [~Noy@wesnoth/developer/noy] has joined #wesnoth 20170406 01:49:55-!- Narrat [~Narrat@p5DED169E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: They say a little knowledge is a dangerous thing, but it's not one half so bad as a lot of ignorance.] 20170406 01:51:20-!- noy [~Noy@wesnoth/developer/noy] has quit [Quit: noy] 20170406 01:53:25-!- noy [~Noy@wesnoth/developer/noy] has joined #wesnoth 20170406 01:57:46-!- vultraz_iOS [uid24821@wesnoth/developer/vultraz] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 20170406 01:58:05-!- noy [~Noy@wesnoth/developer/noy] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20170406 02:02:46-!- vultraz_iOS [uid24821@wesnoth/developer/vultraz] has joined #wesnoth 20170406 02:12:45-!- ArneBab_ [~quassel@freenet/developer/arnebab] has joined #wesnoth 20170406 02:16:34-!- ArneBab [~quassel@freenet/developer/arnebab] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20170406 03:36:44-!- Appleman1234 [~Appleman1@pl2771.ag1212.nttpc.ne.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20170406 03:51:21-!- ToBeFree [uid51591@wikimedia/ToBeFree] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 20170406 04:08:32-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20170406 04:08:38-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth 20170406 04:10:51-!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: vultraz_iOS 20170406 04:13:03-!- Appleman1234 [~Appleman1@pl7188.ag1212.nttpc.ne.jp] has joined #wesnoth 20170406 04:21:17-!- vultraz_iOS [uid24821@wesnoth/developer/vultraz] has joined #wesnoth 20170406 05:28:13-!- edaq [~edaq3@h184-60-58-252.cytnin.broadband.dynamic.tds.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20170406 06:15:36-!- zookeeper [~lmsnie@wesnoth/developer/zookeeper] has joined #wesnoth 20170406 06:32:21-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20170406 06:32:28-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth 20170406 06:49:22-!- Blukunfando [~bkf@90.74.22.211] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 20170406 06:56:56-!- starscream [~starscrea@ec2-52-59-112-160.eu-central-1.compute.amazonaws.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20170406 06:59:14-!- starscream [~starscrea@natsaa.net] has joined #wesnoth 20170406 10:51:43-!- wesnoth-discord- [~wesnoth-d@baldras.wesnoth.org] has joined #wesnoth 20170406 11:47:18< wesnoth-discord-> New UTBS is nice. Well done, guys. 20170406 11:51:32< zookeeper> UnwiseOwl, 1.13.7, i presume? how far have you played? 20170406 11:54:03< wesnoth-discord-> All of it. Finished yesterday. 20170406 11:55:15< wesnoth-discord-> Have just spammed the feedback thead just in case people still check that thing. 20170406 11:55:41< zookeeper> oh, cool. 20170406 11:56:16< zookeeper> and yes i do check them because it's still very much a WIP in need of feedback 20170406 11:57:34< wesnoth-discord-> tl,dr: Pretty good, liking the new elves. A few dialogue suggestions but nothing world changing. A weird bug with OOS messages in replays on dust devil recall. 20170406 12:00:57< zookeeper> great, thanks, looks like good feedback 20170406 12:07:12< wesnoth-discord-> Let me know if there's anything in particular that you're after feedback on that I missed. It's still fresh in my mind having just rewatched the replays. 20170406 12:09:38< zookeeper> well, did you find some units to be particularly overpowered or particularly useless? 20170406 12:11:15< wesnoth-discord-> Not of the new ones, no. They all did their job well, once I worked out that taurus' weren't for scouting. I tended towards the fighters rather than the riders, but I think they were fine. 20170406 12:11:54< wesnoth-discord-> Personally I think the riders are still too similiar (at least in sprites) to the elves, but I assume that's a WIP. Gameplay-wise, I was very happy. 20170406 12:12:21< zookeeper> good, good. and yes, the sprites are pretty much just placeholders. 20170406 12:12:22< wesnoth-discord-> The sun-shyde's are probably OP, but they take so much effort to upgrade that I didn't mind too much. 20170406 12:13:19< wesnoth-discord-> I would say that I was able to level a lot of units to level 3 very quickly. Given that these units aren't for MP and just feature in this campaign, they could probably afford to have slightly higher max XP values. 20170406 12:13:57< zookeeper> right, they could certainly be bumped somewhat 20170406 12:14:02< zookeeper> so how many advancements did you eventually end up getting for kaleh and nym? 20170406 12:15:19< wesnoth-discord-> Hrmm...I think 5 each, but that would be an estimate. I didn't end up finding the stun ability that Kaleh apparently can get. 20170406 12:15:51< zookeeper> nah, that one doesn't exist in the new advancement tree anymore 20170406 12:16:00< wesnoth-discord-> Oh, right. 20170406 12:16:51< wesnoth-discord-> The AMLA options were odd with the 'pick only one' thing. The later times round I coudldn't remember what I'd picked previously. Maybe that could be controlled somewhat if it matters. 20170406 12:17:59< wesnoth-discord-> I think I mentioned in my feedback that I avoided upgrading Nym/Kaleh early because of their purple XP bars. There was no indication that they had cool AMLAs so I poured the XP into other units and regretted it later. 20170406 12:19:02< zookeeper> yeah, maybe the purple bars can be avoided by making them advance into the same unit type and just bringing up the AMLA menu in an advance event... i'll have to check that 20170406 12:21:55< zookeeper> i'm not sure how to clarify the mutually exclusive choices though. i guess it can be a bit unclear if you first pick several tier 1 advancements and then end up with 4 or 6 "pick only one" options. 20170406 12:22:29< wesnoth-discord-> Just make them not available once you picked one of the mutually exclusive options? 20170406 12:22:48< zookeeper> that's how it already works 20170406 12:23:19< zookeeper> but apparently it's not clear enough :p 20170406 12:23:31< wesnoth-discord-> Hrmm...are you sure? I could have sworn I revisited the same choices... 20170406 12:24:29< wesnoth-discord-> Sorry, I must have misunderstood. Anyway, I don't think there's any need to declare them mutually exclusive, just have the player pick one and if the other isn't there next time that's fine. 20170406 12:25:45< zookeeper> works correctly for me. for example you pick "warrior" on first advancement, and then on second advancement you have the "melee" and "archery" specialization options, and on the next advancement the one you didn't pick isn't available anymore. 20170406 12:26:47< zookeeper> but i do think the exclusiveness needs to be communicated, otherwise you'll be left wondering where did option X disappear when on last advancement you were planning on getting it next 20170406 12:27:48< wesnoth-discord-> Meh. I don't think that's that important. But you've got a lot more experience at this. 20170406 12:28:35< zookeeper> well, one of things i really disliked about some of the old AMLA trees was that it was indecipherable and unpredictable to me as a player 20170406 12:29:15< zookeeper> suddenly options that were there on the previous advancement aren't there anymore, and i can't know what consequences my current choice will have 20170406 12:30:18< wesnoth-discord-> I just figure that if you always pick what you feel is the best option, then next time you don't really care and just pick the best remaining option. Maybe some people plan ahead more than that, but I sure don't. 20170406 12:34:33< zookeeper> i think it's pretty common to have some kind of loose idea of what sort of skills you want to accrue. like, maybe you see a bow advancement and sword advancement and decide that yay i can be a damage-dealing juggernaut so you pick one and then are disappointed next time when it turns out you can't pick the other one anymore. 20170406 12:34:53-!- Shiki [~Shiki@p548556CE.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #wesnoth 20170406 12:35:03< wesnoth-discord-> I see that. 20170406 12:35:56< wesnoth-discord-> I'll go back through my replays when I get a chance and see if I can work out what AMLA I picked, just to make sure that it worked as intended. 20170406 12:37:39< zookeeper> as you wish, although i'm pretty sure it works and that the confusion is just due to the mutually exclusive choices of different branches not being clearly separated from each other 20170406 12:37:55< wesnoth-discord-> Yeah, probably. 20170406 12:38:11< zookeeper> and possibly because you have two units to keep track of, not just one 20170406 12:38:19< wesnoth-discord-> ^ 20170406 12:47:05< celticminstrel> I'm still disappointed by the removal of the moon shyde though. :P 20170406 12:47:38< celticminstrel> (Mind you, that's without ever hacing played it. >_> ) 20170406 12:47:41< celticminstrel> ^having 20170406 12:59:23-!- m_ [~m@89-72-37-192.dynamic.chello.pl] has joined #wesnoth 20170406 12:59:43< m_> When putting a unit with the [unit] tag 20170406 12:59:57< m_> Any chance to retrieve its autogenerated id? 20170406 13:00:31< celticminstrel> I think so, but usually if you need to reference it later you should use a manual ID. 20170406 13:01:22< zookeeper> m_, not automatically, no. the simplest ways to get it is to use to_variable= or just store the unit immediately afterwards 20170406 13:01:53< m_> OK so I can store this unit but to store it I have to reference it 20170406 13:02:14< m_> Can I in a standard unit filtr somehow reference "the unit that has been most recently placed on the map"? 20170406 13:02:22< m_> Otherwise how can I store it to a variable? 20170406 13:03:10< zookeeper> well that depends 20170406 13:03:54< zookeeper> if it's a tricky case then maybe easiest to use to_variable= and then place the unit by unstoring from that variable 20170406 13:05:56< m_> thx 20170406 13:20:14-!- Shiki [~Shiki@p548556CE.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20170406 13:50:57-!- Appleman1234 [~Appleman1@pl7188.ag1212.nttpc.ne.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20170406 14:12:31-!- Jetrel_bot [~Jetrel@ec2.happyspork.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 20170406 14:13:20-!- Jetrel_bot [~Jetrel@ec2.happyspork.com] has joined #wesnoth 20170406 14:16:59-!- Gambit [~derek@wesnoth/developer/grickit] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20170406 14:17:34-!- Gambit [~derek@wesnoth/developer/grickit] has joined #wesnoth 20170406 14:38:08-!- m_ 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Be back soon. [ https://twitter.com/Wesnoth/status/850096372900659201 ] 20170406 21:23:40-!- trtrt [548e83a5@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.142.131.165] has joined #wesnoth 20170406 21:23:41< trtrt> dfdf 20170406 21:23:52-!- trtrt [548e83a5@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.142.131.165] has quit [Client Quit] 20170406 21:26:08-!- J1sy [~j1sy@105.6.103.201] has joined #wesnoth 20170406 21:30:01-!- vultraz_iOS [uid24821@wesnoth/developer/vultraz] has joined #wesnoth 20170406 21:30:50-!- J1sy [~j1sy@105.6.103.201] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20170406 21:31:20-!- ueberhorst [2e05007f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.46.5.0.127] has joined #wesnoth 20170406 21:31:25< ueberhorst> ping 20170406 21:36:24< janebot> Tweet (by @Wesnoth) (RT @shikadilord) Finished @Wesnoth wiki maintenance tasks, it's back up now. 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