--- Log opened Wed Apr 19 00:00:07 2017 --- Day changed Wed Apr 19 2017 20170419 00:00:07< norbert> maybe devs busy adding achievements or something? 20170419 00:00:12-!- zookeeper [~lmsnie@wesnoth/developer/zookeeper] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20170419 00:19:45-!- synthpopisback [~synthpopi@cpe-71-68-224-186.sc.res.rr.com] has joined #wesnoth 20170419 00:38:06-!- ToBeCloud [uid51591@wikimedia/ToBeFree] has joined #wesnoth 20170419 00:56:48-!- jemadux [~jemadux@unaffiliated/jemadux] has joined #wesnoth 20170419 01:09:15< wesnoth-discord-> norbert: Yes, the Steam version will have MP support as well. 20170419 01:10:18< wesnoth-discord-> As for why we're not yet on Steam, the short answer is that we want to release 1.14.0 on Steam. The 1.12 series is too old and missing too many improvements which we have already done, but meanwhile the 1.13 development series is too unstable and buggy. 20170419 01:10:26< celticminstrel> norbert: There almost certainly won't be achievements in the initial Steam release. 20170419 01:10:44< celticminstrel> Whether there'll ever be achievements is still an open question. 20170419 01:11:08< wesnoth-discord-> 1.14.0, in turn, is not quite done yet. There are some things we want to make first, such as porting the storyscreen to a newer GUI framework. 20170419 01:11:34< celticminstrel> Well uh, that was almsot completed though. 20170419 01:11:48< celticminstrel> ^almost 20170419 01:12:33< wesnoth-discord-> Also, wesnoth-discord is just the name of the bot that connects our IRC and Discord chats. If you want to notify someone in the Discord side, write their Discord username prefixed by @, e.g. @jyrkive in my case. 20170419 01:13:24< wesnoth-discord-> celticminstrel: Apart from storyscreen and the WML tag porting, is there anything big we're definitely going to have in 1.14.0? 20170419 01:13:45< celticminstrel> I'm not sure... 20170419 01:13:47< wesnoth-discord-> There is the help GUI2 port, but IIRC we aren't sure if we're even going to complete it. 20170419 01:13:55< celticminstrel> Maybe the help porting, but yeah, what you just said, 20170419 01:15:50< norbert> ok 20170419 01:16:57< norbert> time for bed :) 20170419 01:16:58-!- norbert [~norbert@unaffiliated/norbert] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20170419 01:28:51-!- Narrat [~Narrat@p5DED1B0D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: They say a little knowledge is a dangerous thing, but it's not one half so bad as a lot of ignorance.] 20170419 01:40:33-!- wesnoth-discord- [~wesnoth-d@baldras.wesnoth.org] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20170419 02:01:18-!- ArneBab_ [~quassel@freenet/developer/arnebab] has joined #wesnoth 20170419 02:05:36-!- ArneBab [~quassel@freenet/developer/arnebab] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20170419 02:41:23-!- ToBeCloud [uid51591@wikimedia/ToBeFree] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 20170419 02:59:44-!- ArneBab [~quassel@freenet/developer/arnebab] has joined #wesnoth 20170419 03:03:37-!- ArneBab_ [~quassel@freenet/developer/arnebab] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 20170419 05:04:14-!- jemadux [~jemadux@unaffiliated/jemadux] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20170419 06:09:24-!- Kwandulin [~Kwandulin@p200300760F6D805120C7711FE77E4FF1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #wesnoth 20170419 07:29:51-!- zookeeper [~lmsnie@wesnoth/developer/zookeeper] has joined #wesnoth 20170419 08:28:15-!- ArneBab [~quassel@freenet/developer/arnebab] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20170419 08:30:24-!- ArneBab [~quassel@freenet/developer/arnebab] has joined #wesnoth 20170419 08:36:01< Soliton> loonycyborg: discord bridge is gone again. 20170419 09:17:40-!- celticminstrel is now known as celmin|sleep 20170419 09:48:57-!- bumbadadabum [~bumbadada@wesnoth/developer/bumbadadabum] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20170419 10:05:12-!- wesnoth-discord- [~wesnoth-d@baldras.wesnoth.org] has joined #wesnoth 20170419 10:08:00-!- bumbadadabum [~bumbadada@wesnoth/developer/bumbadadabum] has joined #wesnoth 20170419 11:42:25-!- Kwandulin [~Kwandulin@p200300760F6D805120C7711FE77E4FF1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20170419 12:32:10-!- Ivanovic_ [~ivanovic@p4FC534A6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #wesnoth 20170419 12:33:40-!- Ivanovic [~ivanovic@wesnoth/developer/ivanovic] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20170419 12:34:03-!- Ivanovic_ is now known as Ivanovic 20170419 12:48:27-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20170419 12:48:39-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth 20170419 12:52:35-!- bumbadadabum [~bumbadada@wesnoth/developer/bumbadadabum] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20170419 13:07:35-!- RatArmy [~ratarmy@om126211120051.13.openmobile.ne.jp] has joined #wesnoth 20170419 13:20:58-!- Kwandulin [~Kwandulin@p200300760F6D80BEF86E471ECC15E01C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #wesnoth 20170419 13:22:55-!- RatArmy [~ratarmy@om126211120051.13.openmobile.ne.jp] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20170419 13:29:43-!- bumbadadabum [~bumbadada@wesnoth/developer/bumbadadabum] has joined #wesnoth 20170419 13:37:12-!- Kwandulin [~Kwandulin@p200300760F6D80BEF86E471ECC15E01C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! 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I mean, your game is not going to be as good on your own engine as it is going to be on Unity, Unreal, etc. 20170419 22:30:41< aeth> And yet FOSS games generally don't use non-FOSS engines. 20170419 22:31:29< aeth> IRC isn't as good (except far, far, far, far, far superior in performance to Electron... I might not have included enough fars) as , but it's good enough. 20170419 22:32:34< Ipsilon> I _get_ why people like that garbage. But keep it away from irc. It never leads to decent cross-communication.It's just spammy and annoying 20170419 22:32:42< Ipsilon> Particularly in FOSS projects 20170419 22:33:30< aeth> I actually don't get why people like it. We've been through this before, for just about every proprietary means of communication. They start out passable, but their only monetization route is ads, so eventually they become a major annoyance. 20170419 22:34:19< Ipsilon> I'm not saying I understand it on a personal level, but the benefits are clear for casual computer users 20170419 22:34:21< aeth> There are only two ways to do digital mass communcation: non-profit (and generally FOSS) or flood the communication medium with attempted exploits against the human brain, called advertisements. 20170419 22:34:38< Ipsilon> People don't even understand registering on irc 20170419 22:34:42< Ipsilon> they don't get the concept of servers 20170419 22:34:44< aeth> That Discord isn't the latter yet (afaik) just means that they're in the "growth" stage before the investors start demanding profits. 20170419 22:35:07< Ipsilon> I'm all for improving things (see riot and whatnot) 20170419 22:35:29< Ipsilon> but unless it is an actual improvement..spare me 20170419 22:36:22< aeth> For an IRC replacement to be an improvement it must be decentralized, as in multiple servers *and* multiple clients. That way, even if the default client is an absolute garbage Electron "native" client, a real native client can be written in one of quite a few languages. 20170419 22:37:29< aeth> C, C++, Objective-C, C#, Java, Pascal, Lisp, Scheme, Haskell, Go, Rust, Swift, whatever. Tons of languages that will produce much better performance than JS, especially when paired with a full web browser. 20170419 22:37:54< aeth> s/when paired/when JS is paired/ 20170419 22:39:47< Ipsilon> aeth: riot is the current attempt to solve all these issues. 20170419 22:39:50< Ipsilon> it's decentralized 20170419 22:41:05-!- zookeeper [~lmsnie@wesnoth/developer/zookeeper] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20170419 23:25:10-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20170419 23:25:16-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth 20170419 23:36:00-!- jemadux [~jemadux@unaffiliated/jemadux] has joined #wesnoth --- Log closed Thu Apr 20 00:00:04 2017