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10:58:17< wesnoth-discord-> @loonycyborg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3bxcc3SM_KA granted, 2 years old, but still a very good piece on some problems with the patent system 20170430 11:03:28< wesnoth-discord-> @Vultraz this will never go anywhere until people realize that exclusive rights are neither necessary nor useful 20170430 11:04:11< wesnoth-discord-> patents cannot be ultimately enforced with any sort of consistency 20170430 11:04:30< wesnoth-discord-> because whole idea of "invention" is too fuzzy to be defined in legal terms 20170430 11:05:26< wesnoth-discord-> the point of the piece is that software "inventions" are even more fuzzy 20170430 11:05:33-!- Kwandulin [~Kwandulin@p200300760F6D80DFC912DB11B98971C7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20170430 11:05:35< wesnoth-discord-> and can be easily abused 20170430 11:05:44< wesnoth-discord-> which I 100% agree is a problem 20170430 11:05:48< wesnoth-discord-> there always be abuses, and people will eventually be mostly preoccupied with wrestling with cases where they can't come to agreement whether this particular case is abuse or not 20170430 11:06:19< wesnoth-discord-> abolition is the only future proof solution 20170430 11:07:19< wesnoth-discord-> or perhaps the current patent system is outdated and needs a refresh 20170430 11:10:30< wesnoth-discord-> I think exclusive rights *are* necessary but a system where the patent office is overworked and just throws a bunch of vaguely-defined patents at people who can easily abuse them isn't one that works 20170430 11:10:41< wesnoth-discord-> now, I dunno what's happened in the past 2 years 20170430 11:10:46< wesnoth-discord-> but likely not much :/ 20170430 11:11:11< wesnoth-discord-> the GoP's obsession with the "free market" and undue lobbying influence in Washington will probably have killed anything. 20170430 11:11:49< wesnoth-discord-> http://www.dklevine.com/general/intellectual/againstfinal.htm 20170430 11:12:20< wesnoth-discord-> this book shows that this system has a history of failure since the time of its establishment 20170430 11:12:59< zookeeper> the distance between "some exclusive rights are necessary" and "no exclusive rights" is/can be quite a lot shorter than the distance between "some exclusive rights are necessary" and "current system". 20170430 11:13:21< wesnoth-discord-> granted 20170430 11:13:50< wesnoth-discord-> I of course understand that I might want to be shielded from competitors if I invented something 20170430 11:13:57< wesnoth-discord-> so I could get some rest 20170430 11:14:17< wesnoth-discord-> and spend all those millions on yachts and private island 20170430 11:14:44< wesnoth-discord-> but I'm not capable to maintain the required level of doublethink to state that this benefits society 20170430 11:16:15< wesnoth-discord-> Enough wealth to purchase a private island of course benefits only yourself πŸ˜› 20170430 11:16:54< wesnoth-discord-> It is false to say more individual wealth or corporate wealth equates to sociatal good. 20170430 11:17:26< zookeeper> it's like state torture. there's just a small hop from "none, ever" to "allowed, with reasonable bare minimum safeguards in place against abuse", and then a massive hop from that to "pretty much any system that's been in use so far". the middle option isn't that bad, it's just that no one ever anywhere argues for it. 20170430 11:18:09< wesnoth-discord-> Saying "but we need patents to make people richer" is rather stupid. 20170430 11:18:34< wesnoth-discord-> But saying "we need patents to proect small innovators against large coportations" is good. 20170430 11:20:41< wesnoth-discord-> patents never protect small innovators 20170430 11:20:57< wesnoth-discord-> cost of doing a lawsuit is unaffordable to them 20170430 11:21:05< wesnoth-discord-> so everyone can ignore them 20170430 11:21:49< wesnoth-discord-> hmmm 20170430 11:21:56< wesnoth-discord-> Buyers massively prefer ungeneric drugs for what seems like completely irrational reasons (or rather no reason). I know very little about patent stuff, but sometimes it seems like a good public education campaign more important than all that 20170430 11:21:57< wesnoth-discord-> it only exist for large innovators 20170430 11:22:02< wesnoth-discord-> and patent trolls 20170430 11:22:30< wesnoth-discord-> no one likes generic anything 20170430 11:23:21< zookeeper> hence the public education campaign 20170430 11:23:35< wesnoth-discord-> still, i couldn't say i support samsung being able to blatantly copy apple. 20170430 11:24:48< wesnoth-discord-> It's very hard to determine where is the border between copying and following de facto standard 20170430 11:25:17< wesnoth-discord-> yes, that's the heart of the patent troll problem 20170430 11:29:59< wesnoth-discord-> Your republicans seem silly sometimes, well a lot of the time, with their "small government" ideal but in some ways it makes sense - modern state institutions are just too complicated for the vast majority of people (even educated and intelligent people), and yet they are asked to be engaged with the politics of them 20170430 11:31:13< wesnoth-discord-> if people cannot bother to inform themselves that generic drugs are strictly the better choice, what hope is there for the people deciding an opinion (for the purposes of voting) on something as complex as US department of state or EU 20170430 11:32:00< wesnoth-discord-> and with voting, the voter has nothing at stake! After all, his vote is just a ritual, as it will be rounded away among the 150 million other votes. Meanwhile, when buying drugs, it is very much your money that is at stake 20170430 11:32:10< wesnoth-discord-> and even THAT is not enough to get people to bother to inform themselves. 20170430 11:42:52-!- Kranix [~magnus@x1-6-74-44-01-e4-f1-52.cpe.webspeed.dk] has joined #wesnoth 20170430 11:45:13-!- Kwandulin [~Kwandulin@p200300760F6D80DFC912DB11B98971C7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #wesnoth 20170430 11:53:28-!- bumbadadabum [~bumbadada@wesnoth/developer/bumbadadabum] has joined #wesnoth 20170430 11:57:47< janebot> wesnoth: The Altaz Mariners (by /u/Turtlebot3000) https://redd.it/68f43c 20170430 12:10:19< wesnoth-discord-> @blarumyrran no no no no. Don't be taken in by the "small government" propaganda. All that means is they want fewer regulations to increase profits to bussinesses they have a stake in. It has nothing to do with what is best for the people. 20170430 12:10:48< wesnoth-discord-> and it is absolutely *false* to a voter has nothing at stake 20170430 12:23:23-!- Kwandulin [~Kwandulin@p200300760F6D80DFC912DB11B98971C7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20170430 12:37:23< wesnoth-discord-> Sure, a voter has social prestige at stake 20170430 12:37:38< wesnoth-discord-> But that is not comparable to actual money 20170430 12:40:55< wesnoth-discord-> In less free countries, where the vote is not secret, especially if the military is present at the voting, the physical safety might depend on the vote 20170430 12:41:06< wesnoth-discord-> But well yeah I was not talking of such cases 20170430 12:51:57< wesnoth-discord-> @blarumyrran no, it's not "social prestige", there are *actual results* at stake. Look at Brexit - people voted Leave because they were like "meh, I don't think my vote will matter" and then the results come in and they were like "oh shit my vote mattered". 20170430 12:52:19< wesnoth-discord-> Or look at towns in the US where Clinton lost the vote by a mere 100 people. 20170430 12:53:08< wesnoth-discord-> Leave. Vote share. 51.9%. Votes 17,410,742 Remain. Vote share. 48.1%. Votes 16,141,241 20170430 12:53:33< wesnoth-discord-> so? 20170430 12:53:37< wesnoth-discord-> a difference of 1,269,501 20170430 12:53:42< wesnoth-discord-> so? 20170430 12:53:50< wesnoth-discord-> It would need to be a difference of 1, for your vote to matter. 20170430 12:53:56< wesnoth-discord-> no no no no NO 20170430 12:54:31< wesnoth-discord-> if you have 1,269,501 people who think that that's *1,269,501 votes* 20170430 12:54:49< wesnoth-discord-> You are not 1,269,501 people, though 20170430 12:54:56< wesnoth-discord-> *you* are not 20170430 12:54:59< wesnoth-discord-> Indeed 20170430 12:55:13< wesnoth-discord-> but collectively, if a whole bunch of people think their vote doesn't matter, it adds up! 20170430 12:55:28< wesnoth-discord-> it's the *lump sum* 20170430 12:55:57< wesnoth-discord-> But you do not get to decide for "a whole bunch of people", whic his still quite an euphemism for 1,269,501 20170430 12:56:13< wesnoth-discord-> and no, I'm not saying that the Brexit vote would magically have gone the other way if we leave out this group of voters 20170430 12:56:29< wesnoth-discord-> there was still ugly racism and xenophobia driving it 20170430 12:56:34< wesnoth-discord-> The only decision you get to make is for yourself, and perhaps <2 aggregate votes by close people whom you can influence 20170430 12:57:11< wesnoth-discord-> Yes. 20170430 12:57:24< wesnoth-discord-> Say every person influences two other people. 20170430 12:57:32< wesnoth-discord-> And each of those influences another two. 20170430 12:57:36< wesnoth-discord-> *it adds up* 20170430 12:57:41< wesnoth-discord-> πŸ˜„ whoa 20170430 12:57:44< wesnoth-discord-> Do you even math 20170430 12:58:01< wesnoth-discord-> And those can influence another two 20170430 12:58:08< wesnoth-discord-> and those can influence another two 20170430 12:58:24< wesnoth-discord-> Perhaps there won't be enough people on earth to be influenced by this mystifying influencer 20170430 12:58:28< wesnoth-discord-> The idea that a vote doesn't matter is something right-wing parties like the GOP would love it if people believed 20170430 12:58:31< wesnoth-discord-> His influence is too powerful for this world 20170430 12:59:13< wesnoth-discord-> They already engage in systemic attempts at voter suppression to stop those who would vote against them 20170430 12:59:21< zookeeper> but remember, if that's the case then all other votes can also influence you either directly or indirectly. your vote is not yours D: 20170430 12:59:29< zookeeper> s/votes/voters 20170430 12:59:32< wesnoth-discord-> Indeed! 20170430 12:59:47< wesnoth-discord-> everything from racist voter ID laws to gerrymandering (which, admittedly, both sides to) 20170430 12:59:54< wesnoth-discord-> (the gerrymandering, not the racist voter id laws) 20170430 13:01:01< wesnoth-discord-> May "X" be the total number votes that you can change from candidate A or no vote to candidate B. 20170430 13:01:48< wesnoth-discord-> I put out X==2 quite randomly. But what you are saying is - do you even understand? That through a mystical "influence" you are changing the vote of every single person who is eligible to vote. 20170430 13:02:42< wesnoth-discord-> Of course thinking that is part of the ritual 20170430 13:02:52< wesnoth-discord-> Sympathetic Magic is its name. 20170430 13:02:55< zookeeper> sounds like something that could be a central belief in a cult 20170430 13:02:58< wesnoth-discord-> @blarumyrran you're missing the point entirely. It's not even about who you influence, really - that's extra, since *obviously* you influence is limited! At it's core, it's the fact that if a large number of people decide "meh, it's only 1 vote, why should I vote", the number of missing votes is equal to the number of people! 20170430 13:03:01< wesnoth-discord-> I urinate, therefore it will rain 20170430 13:03:34< zookeeper> Vultraz, why do you assume there's someone who doesn't understand that?` 20170430 13:04:28< wesnoth-discord-> You think, "geez, my vote won't decide anything" - and yes, you won't be deciding elections *alon - but that's not what's happening; you decide elections *together*! 20170430 13:04:37< wesnoth-discord-> @Vultraz Obviously but my point is that you are not "a large number of people". You are simply incapable of making a decision on part of "a large number of people" 20170430 13:04:42< wesnoth-discord-> Since you are not them 20170430 13:04:47< wesnoth-discord-> Of couse! 20170430 13:04:53< wesnoth-discord-> Who said you are! 20170430 13:05:05-!- RatArmy_ [~ratarmy@om126161120078.8.openmobile.ne.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20170430 13:05:13< wesnoth-discord-> I guess i misworded badly above RE exponential influence 20170430 13:05:35< wesnoth-discord-> No, you cannot speak for everyone 20170430 13:05:41< wesnoth-discord-> Everyone must speak for themselves 20170430 13:05:50< wesnoth-discord-> But the key there is *everyone* 20170430 13:05:52< wesnoth-discord-> 😐 20170430 13:07:29< wesnoth-discord-> You can very much "speak" for other people, everyone does that constantly - but the point of election procedure is that you cannot vote for other people. 20170430 13:07:41< wesnoth-discord-> Yes 20170430 13:08:19< wesnoth-discord-> And that is why it's such a shame if people don't come out and vote or don't take their vote seriously 20170430 13:08:34< wesnoth-discord-> Excatly! 20170430 13:08:35< wesnoth-discord-> Shame! 20170430 13:08:39< zookeeper> :D 20170430 13:08:41< wesnoth-discord-> That is what? A social prestige factor 20170430 13:08:48< wesnoth-discord-> I WIN πŸ‘Œ 20170430 13:08:51< zookeeper> glorious full circle 20170430 13:09:26< wesnoth-discord-> oh jesus christ πŸ˜‘ 20170430 13:09:41-!- deathisundead [~quassel@unaffiliated/the-unforgiven/x-8713611] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20170430 13:09:47< wesnoth-discord-> To be clear, I don't mean this belittlingly - shame for not voting can be significant 20170430 13:10:00< wesnoth-discord-> But in the end, you are talking about shame AS SUCH, even spelling it out, without realizing it 20170430 13:10:21< wesnoth-discord-> DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND A METAPHOR 20170430 13:10:37< wesnoth-discord-> Maybe. What is a metaphor for what? 20170430 13:10:46< wesnoth-discord-> Is shame a metaphor for something? 20170430 13:12:23< wesnoth-discord-> actually, no, it's not a metaphor. It literally means shame, but not in shame as in a feeling of personal embarrassment, it means shame as in a negative occurance 20170430 13:13:51< wesnoth-discord-> you think the reason to vote is that otherwise people will belittle you? 20170430 13:14:24< wesnoth-discord-> Social status has teeth 20170430 13:15:49< zookeeper> vultraz not voting is only a shame if it flips the election (in a non-favorable way). although, to be fair, if vultraz does not vote then i'll still view that negatively because i know vultraz didn't know his potential vote _wouldn't_ flip the election, no matter how much he claims that he knew his single vote wouldn't matter. 20170430 13:16:11< wesnoth-discord-> jesus fucking christ, blarumyrrn... you're treating voting, an act which can have *serious consequences* like Trump or Brexit or the fucking Turkish referendum and treating it like an accomplishment to list at a 5 year reunion! 20170430 13:16:44< wesnoth-discord-> "Belittling" is putting it mildly. Eg Trump voters certainly handicapped their professional advancement prospects slightly on average, at least in Blue states 20170430 13:17:24< wesnoth-discord-> (To be clear I am not saying it is necessarily a bad thing) 20170430 13:17:36< wesnoth-discord-> zookeeper: yes - and what happens if a large number of people decide to not vote? IT GREATELY HIGENTENS THE POSSIBILITY OF THE ELECTION GOING NON-FAVORABLY! 20170430 13:17:37< wesnoth-discord-> (It signals a lack of a certain kind of responsibility) 20170430 13:18:04< wesnoth-discord-> your side will always lose IF YOUR PEOPLE DON'T VOTE 20170430 13:18:11< zookeeper> Vultraz, you keep trying to change the subject from the individual to a group 20170430 13:18:43< wesnoth-discord-> no, I've been speaking in terms of a group since the beginning 20170430 13:18:55< wesnoth-discord-> @blarumyrran is the one who insists it only has significance on the individual level 20170430 13:19:10< wesnoth-discord-> my entire agument is based on the relevance of the group 20170430 13:19:19< zookeeper> and it is absolutely *false* to a voter has nothing at stake 20170430 13:19:46< wesnoth-discord-> what's at stake is the possible loss of your side! 20170430 13:19:51< zookeeper> the individual voter was always the subject of discussion 20170430 13:20:28< wesnoth-discord-> I think Vultraz misunderstood the "subject" 20170430 13:20:43< zookeeper> it happens sometimes! 20170430 13:20:56< wesnoth-discord-> *sighs* 20170430 13:21:13< zookeeper> although it's usually a mystery to me how it happens, in most discussions context is pretty clear 20170430 13:21:16< wesnoth-discord-> Subject as in actor 20170430 13:22:09< wesnoth-discord-> the individual has influence as part of a group. you cannot seperate the individual from their fellow like-minded voters because doing so on an individual level reduces the votes in the group 20170430 13:22:56< wesnoth-discord-> What does "seperating" mean here exactly? 20170430 13:23:11< wesnoth-discord-> I think this "seperating" is the kind of abstraction that keeps people from thinking clearly 20170430 13:23:20< wesnoth-discord-> It means thinking your vote is just one vote and therefor doesn't matter. 20170430 13:23:38< wesnoth-discord-> Right, but again you are just saying that over 20170430 13:23:53< wesnoth-discord-> are you dense 20170430 13:24:00< wesnoth-discord-> Moderately 20170430 13:24:31< wesnoth-discord-> I think English has especially many words and phrases that keep people from thinking coherently 20170430 13:28:15< wesnoth-discord-> (for example, "is okay to ") 20170430 13:28:38< wesnoth-discord-> Let me outline this again... You state that an *individual* voter has no stake in voting except social stigma. This is partially correct. There is social stigma connected to voting or not voting. What is *not* correct is to say you have no other stake. What is this stake, you ask? Simple: the victory of your side. But, you counter, you only have 1 vote, do not speak for everyone, and cannot guarentee you can influence a large 20170430 13:28:38< wesnoth-discord-> number of people. All of these are true. But if a large enough number of people decline to vote because they *all consider their vote as "only one, and therefor not mattering", it all adds up* and your side could lose*. Therefor, in order to fully do *everything you can* - because remember, you only have 1 vote - to ensure your side wins, you must go out and vote since you cannot guarentee - again, since you cannot speak for everyone - 20170430 13:28:39< wesnoth-discord-> that anyone else is not going to stay home! 20170430 13:28:47< wesnoth-discord-> *do you understand now* 20170430 13:29:29< wesnoth-discord-> That makes no sense at all. 20170430 13:29:55< wesnoth-discord-> you must go out and vote since you cannot guarentee [...] that anyone else is not going to stay home! 20170430 13:29:59< wesnoth-discord-> ^ that part 20170430 13:30:17< wesnoth-discord-> Obvioously you cannot "guarantee" it, what would that look like? 20170430 13:31:52< zookeeper> Vultraz, why does it (presumably) feel really icky to you you to concede that "yes, the individual vote doesn't (virtually ever) matter" even when you can immediately follow up with something that gives solid justification for why the individual should vote anyway? 20170430 13:32:10< wesnoth-discord-> Realistically, if a person really wanted to do everything he can, he would do something like a failed assassination attempt on his preferred candidate 20170430 13:33:14< wesnoth-discord-> or succesful assassination attempt on a close associate of the preferred candidate (but not so close that it would demoralize the candidate from running), but this is getting very morbid 20170430 13:33:17< wesnoth-discord-> Imagine there are 5 people who want to decide where to eat out. 2 people want to go to place A, and 3 want to go place B. They decide to cast a vote to decide, since none of them have expressed their choices aloud yet. The first two cast their votes for A. One person casts a vote for B. The other 2, however, just assumed the first two would vote for B, and so abstained from voting. Now, what is the result here? B had the 20170430 13:33:18< wesnoth-discord-> majority, but *more people voted for A*! 20170430 13:33:42< wesnoth-discord-> zookeeper: very simple. Because if enough people think that way elections are lost. 20170430 13:33:50< wesnoth-discord-> therefor people must not think that way 20170430 13:34:01< zookeeper> Vultraz, read the whole sentence, please. 20170430 13:34:11< wesnoth-discord-> I did 20170430 13:34:16< zookeeper> you answered as if you didn't 20170430 13:35:07< wesnoth-discord-> the first point is false BECAUSE the second point is true. 20170430 13:35:48< wesnoth-discord-> Now, to finish my analogy.. 20170430 13:36:03< zookeeper> you're saying that you're afraid of saying that you should vote even if your vote doesn't (probably) matter, because... that kind of thinking makes you more likely to not vote? yeah that doesn't make sense. thinking that you should vote doesn't make you more likely to not vote. 20170430 13:36:32< wesnoth-discord-> In the case I outlined, all 5 people are going to place A now, even though 3/5 wanted B. Why? Because 2 of the people who wanted B were complacent and assumed everyone wuld vote B. 20170430 13:37:03< zookeeper> "my vote (exceedingly likely) does not matter" is not mutually exclusive with "i should vote", yet you keep insisting that the former is a dangerous thought. 20170430 13:37:48< wesnoth-discord-> zookeeper: ok, fine, yes, a *single* vote likely does not matter 20170430 13:38:08< wesnoth-discord-> if 50 people vote A and 10 people vote B, an additional B vote doesn't matter 20170430 13:38:41< wesnoth-discord-> but what does "not matter" mean here 20170430 13:38:51< wesnoth-discord-> it means not change the outcome 20170430 13:39:06< wesnoth-discord-> 11 B votes will not change an A victory if A has 50 20170430 13:39:13< wesnoth-discord-> obviously. 20170430 13:40:21< wesnoth-discord-> But you, as an individual, should not assume that everyone except yourself will vote 20170430 13:40:30< wesnoth-discord-> sure, by not voting yourself you only remove 1 vote from the pool 20170430 13:40:43< wesnoth-discord-> usually won't mean anything 20170430 13:41:02< wesnoth-discord-> but what if 50,000 people think that way? 20170430 13:41:06< wesnoth-discord-> that's 50,000 votes lost 20170430 13:41:25< zookeeper> so no one disagrees? wonderful! finally. 20170430 13:41:36< wesnoth-discord-> and often elections, while not coming down to a single vote, *can be close* 20170430 13:41:47< wesnoth-discord-> as I said before, there are places Clinton lost by a few hundred 20170430 13:42:20< wesnoth-discord-> Ossoff failed to take the win outright in the GA6 special election by less than 2% 20170430 13:43:07< wesnoth-discord-> so even a relatively small number of people *each* saying "meh, my vote won't do anything" can change an election! 20170430 13:43:16< wesnoth-discord-> zookeeper: do you understand now? 20170430 13:45:09< zookeeper> what? at what point have i shown signs of not understanding something? 20170430 13:57:10< Ravana_> strange that 1.13 local game doesn't allow posting chat messages 20170430 14:00:10< wesnoth-discord-> i see 20170430 14:00:20< wesnoth-discord-> alright, then @blarumyrran do you understand now 20170430 14:00:46< wesnoth-discord-> Well you just keep saying the same thing over and over 20170430 14:10:59-!- Kwandulin [~Kwandulin@p200300760F6D800D1C06FDF04D39EC80.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #wesnoth 20170430 14:39:34< wesnoth-discord-> y'all need a dedicated politics channel 20170430 14:44:48< wesnoth-discord-> Zerovirus! 20170430 14:45:03< wesnoth-discord-> You were a pixelartist yes? Did you ever make mainline units? 20170430 15:35:27-!- Kranix [~magnus@x1-6-74-44-01-e4-f1-52.cpe.webspeed.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20170430 15:42:56-!- celmin|sleep is now known as celticminstrel 20170430 15:43:07< celticminstrel> Pretty sure he did. Maybe the scorpion, or skeletal dragon? 20170430 15:49:15-!- Kranix [~magnus@x1-6-74-44-01-e4-f1-52.cpe.webspeed.dk] has joined #wesnoth 20170430 15:52:59-!- Narrat [~Narrat@p5DED1B0D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #wesnoth 20170430 15:53:29-!- Kranix [~magnus@x1-6-74-44-01-e4-f1-52.cpe.webspeed.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20170430 16:18:17-!- Kranix [~magnus@192.38.139.234] has joined #wesnoth 20170430 16:44:41-!- Kwandulin [~Kwandulin@p200300760F6D800D1C06FDF04D39EC80.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20170430 16:51:28-!- Kranix [~magnus@192.38.139.234] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20170430 16:51:42-!- Kranix [~magnus@x1-6-74-44-01-e4-f1-52.cpe.webspeed.dk] has joined #wesnoth 20170430 17:06:39-!- Kwandulin [~Kwandulin@p200300760F6D800DD16E43E4BC2ADC9F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #wesnoth 20170430 17:07:50-!- vultraz_iOS [uid24821@wesnoth/developer/vultraz] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 20170430 17:28:11-!- minzbonbon [~min@meta23.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 20170430 17:31:16-!- minzbonbon [~min@meta23.net] has joined #wesnoth 20170430 18:01:07-!- Kranix [~magnus@x1-6-74-44-01-e4-f1-52.cpe.webspeed.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 20170430 18:47:28< Kwandulin> Uh, how to animate a unit (recruited anim) that is created via {GENERIC_UNIT}? 20170430 18:49:07< Kwandulin> I'll just make another macro . . . 20170430 18:52:37< celticminstrel> Filter by location? 20170430 18:52:49< celticminstrel> GENERIC_UNIT specifies the unit location, right? 20170430 18:52:52< Kwandulin> yeah 20170430 18:52:56< celticminstrel> So you should be able to animate it by filtering on that. 20170430 18:53:05< Kwandulin> Too much code 20170430 18:54:01< cyphase> why are some replay files named like "HttT-The_Valley_of_Death_β€”_..._replay.gz"? the auto-save file names are complete, and longer 20170430 18:56:21< celticminstrel> Longer? 20170430 18:56:51< cyphase> the file names 20170430 18:56:58< celticminstrel> Longer than what? 20170430 18:57:10< zookeeper> ... 20170430 18:57:14< cyphase> longer than the replay names that are getting truncated 20170430 18:57:51< celticminstrel> So the replay names have ... but the auto-save names don't? 20170430 18:57:56< cyphase> yes 20170430 18:57:57< zookeeper> that's what he said 20170430 18:58:30< celticminstrel> Is the ... actually in the filename or just how it's displayed in the browser? 20170430 18:58:42< cyphase> HttT-The_Valley_of_Death_β€”_The_Princess’s_Revenge-Auto-Save12.gz vs HttT-The_Valley_of_Death_β€”_..._replay.gz 20170430 18:58:44< cyphase> actual name 20170430 19:00:16< cyphase> also HttT-The_Princess_of_Wesnoth-Auto-Save21.gz vs HttT-The_Princess_of_Wesn..._replay.gz vs 20170430 19:01:47< cyphase> so it's not just trimming at word boundaries, yet they're different lengths 20170430 19:01:59< cyphase> 43 vs 38 characters 20170430 19:02:54-!- dobson [~dobson@68.ip-149-56-14.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20170430 19:06:03-!- dobson [~dobson@68.ip-149-56-14.net] has joined #wesnoth 20170430 20:01:47-!- chatter29 [2d213886@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.45.33.56.134] has joined #wesnoth 20170430 20:02:43-!- chatter29 [2d213886@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.45.33.56.134] has quit [Client Quit] 20170430 20:02:57-!- chatter29 [2d213886@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.45.33.56.134] has joined #wesnoth 20170430 20:04:41-!- chatter29 [2d213886@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.45.33.56.134] has quit [Disconnected by services] 20170430 20:54:39-!- vultraz_iOS [uid24821@wesnoth/developer/vultraz] has joined #wesnoth 20170430 21:05:50-!- Kwandulin [~Kwandulin@p200300760F6D800DD16E43E4BC2ADC9F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20170430 21:38:44-!- Kranix [~magnus@x1-6-74-44-01-e4-f1-52.cpe.webspeed.dk] has joined #wesnoth 20170430 21:57:49-!- Kranix [~magnus@x1-6-74-44-01-e4-f1-52.cpe.webspeed.dk] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 20170430 22:46:09-!- ToBeCloud [uid51591@wikimedia/ToBeFree] has joined #wesnoth 20170430 23:15:05-!- zookeeper [~lmsnie@wesnoth/developer/zookeeper] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20170430 23:44:54< wesnoth-discord-> @blarumyrran ...do the giant scorpion and skeletal dragon count 20170430 23:45:00< wesnoth-discord-> i mostly did random one-off stuff 20170430 23:45:13< wesnoth-discord-> i never really committed to doing any serious mainline projects 20170430 23:59:52-!- Ivanovic [~ivanovic@wesnoth/developer/ivanovic] has quit [Quit: Disconnecting from stoned server.] --- Log closed Mon May 01 00:00:08 2017