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20170519 00:00:06< celticminstrel> Give me a few minutes.
20170519 00:04:26< vultraz_iOS> celticminstrel: thoughts on dropping the bug tag?
20170519 00:04:28< vultraz_iOS> from issues
20170519 00:10:31< pydsigner> I think it's needed
20170519 00:10:39< pydsigner> Because you can open non-bug issues
20170519 00:12:31< celticminstrel> There are issues that are neither bugs nor enhancements.
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20170519 00:23:49< vultraz_iOS> then we tag them?
20170519 00:34:33< celticminstrel> If you can think of a tag that works for things that aren't bugs, enhancements, or questions, then I suppose the bug tag could be removed, but IMO it's easier to keep the bug tag and leave the others untagged.
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20170519 00:42:53< celticminstrel> vultraz_iOS: Does the add-on manager section need to list the person associated with each change?
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20170519 01:03:13< celticminstrel> I assume removing iterator_extend means you noticed my comment about it, vultraz_iOS?
20170519 01:03:25< celticminstrel> Also, I edited the release notes as requested.
20170519 01:11:24< vultraz_iOS> agh
20170519 01:11:32< vultraz_iOS> that god damn "date not translated " thing
20170519 01:11:36< vultraz_iOS> fuck fuck fuck fucking fuck
20170519 01:11:45< vultraz_iOS> probably caused by deploying put_time
20170519 01:12:01< vultraz_iOS> fucking fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck
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20170519 01:15:20< celticminstrel> vultraz_iOS: You could answer the question. P
20170519 01:15:22< celticminstrel> ^ :P
20170519 01:15:35< celticminstrel> vultraz_iOS: As for the put_time bug, I'd assume the locale isn't being imbued correctly.
20170519 01:15:38< vultraz_iOS> yes i noticed your comment
20170519 01:15:51< vultraz_iOS> you said something about boost dereference iterator
20170519 01:15:56< vultraz_iOS> but as you can see, it's not needed
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20170519 01:19:26< irker009> wesnoth: Charles Dang wesnoth:master fd537c1bf30e / src/game_events/wmi_manager.cpp: WMI Manager: attempt to fix items not working (#1710) https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/fd537c1bf30e13487ac93e4a5d2c6f19b3718362
20170519 01:42:02< celticminstrel> I said the example looked equivalent to a dereference iterator, yes.
20170519 01:42:32< celticminstrel> Boost does have a general iterator adaptor class too.
20170519 01:43:13< celticminstrel> Did you look at my release notes edit yet? Also, you didn't respond to my question about the release notes.
20170519 01:44:22< ancestral> I failed to upload the package to Wesnoth (Baldras?)
20170519 01:44:39< ancestral> I forgot the port number. I can do it if you can remind me the port number again
20170519 02:05:52< vultraz_iOS> celticminstrel: what question
20170519 02:06:44< celticminstrel> [May 18@8:42:53pm] celticminstrel: vultraz_iOS: Does the add-on manager section need to list the person associated with each change?
20170519 02:06:57< vultraz_iOS> no
20170519 02:08:31< celticminstrel> So I assume you think the other things I mentioned in my post aren't worth including? The blinking text cursor for example.
20170519 02:09:01< celticminstrel> Oh, I'll also editi n a connection to the fourth paragraph.
20170519 02:09:04< celticminstrel> ^edit in
20170519 02:09:33< vultraz_iOS> no the blinking text cursor isn't worth mentioning 
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20170519 02:15:12< celticminstrel> vultraz_iOS: What about the new feature in game load?
20170519 02:15:36< celticminstrel> I can see improving tooltip placement and fixing disappearing things as not being worth mentioning.
20170519 02:24:56< celticminstrel> vultraz_iOS: You forgot to close the 1.13.8 milestone on github.
20170519 02:25:44< vultraz_iOS> close it
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20170519 02:26:17< celticminstrel> Already did before even mentioning it.
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20170519 03:06:35< irker009> wesnoth: Celtic Minstrel wesnoth:master 67ba87a36c96 / src/ (saved_game.cpp variable.cpp variable.hpp): Move config_variable_set class into a header https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/67ba87a36c96e95e3ced97481f71d52f262521b7
20170519 03:06:38< irker009> wesnoth: Celtic Minstrel wesnoth:master 02c40010a166 / changelog src/scripting/lua_kernel_base.cpp: Add wesnoth.format function which substitutes variables into a string (closes #1 https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/02c40010a1661d83116c72cfba443f6cb9a7761f
20170519 03:06:39< irker009> wesnoth: Celtic Minstrel wesnoth:master 872b1215b734 / data/campaigns/Heir_To_The_Throne/scenarios/23_Test_of_the_Clans.cfg: HTTT23: Address translatability issue with countdown (#1135) https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/872b1215b734c461e59a6c7cc69bcb74208b87a4
20170519 03:16:25< celticminstrel> wesnoth.format(string, wesnoth.get_all_vars()) is exactly the same as standard WML variable substitution.
20170519 03:16:45< celticminstrel> Though possibly a little slower since it copies the variables.
20170519 03:17:15< celticminstrel> So I guess I wouldn't necessarily recommend it; using tovconfig might be better if that's what you're after.
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20170519 03:30:00< irker009> wesnoth: Jyrki Vesterinen wesnoth:master 5bd52c206360 / projectfiles/VC12/ (wesnoth.vcxproj wesnoth.vcxproj.filters): Update Visual Studio project https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/5bd52c206360ee676d9bab39a1290788e77aad87
20170519 03:31:34< celticminstrel> ...huh? If it needed updating, how was I able to build?
20170519 03:32:07< JyrkiVesterinen> The project having references to nonexistent files doesn't fail the build.
20170519 03:32:25< celticminstrel> For the header, sure, but wmi_container?
20170519 03:32:43< celticminstrel> Oh, but I guess that was just in the filters, not the core project, somehow.
20170519 03:33:20< JyrkiVesterinen> Yes. Vultraz attempted to update the project files on his own, with a simple find-and-replace.
20170519 03:33:32< JyrkiVesterinen> He didn't realize to do it to filters too.
20170519 03:33:59< celticminstrel> What would it even look like in MSVC in that case...
20170519 03:34:23< JyrkiVesterinen> VS automatically added wmi_container files to project top level when they were in the project but not in filters.
20170519 03:34:34< celticminstrel> Ah.
20170519 03:34:52< JyrkiVesterinen> I then edited the filters it added automatically to move the files back into the right filter.
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20170519 04:40:47< celmin|sleep> Oh yeah, also editing out the link to my patch that doesn't actually work.
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20170519 04:42:10< celmin|sleep> Anyway, why isn't the announcement posted yet?
20170519 04:42:27< celmin|sleep> It should've been posted two days ago IIRC..
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20170519 12:44:16 * celmin|sleep pokes vultraz_iOS, where's the public announcement, wasn't it supposed to go up on Tuesday.
20170519 12:44:46< vultraz_iOS> the mac package only went up yesterday
20170519 12:45:06< celmin|sleep> I thought you weren't supposed to wait for it after 72 hours?
20170519 12:47:14< vultraz_iOS> I'm the RM
20170519 12:47:18< vultraz_iOS> it's at my discretion
20170519 12:47:25< celmin|sleep> Uhuh.
20170519 12:48:12< vultraz_iOS> (i had forgotten :P )
20170519 12:49:06< celmin|sleep> Now the truth comes out.
20170519 12:51:35< vultraz_iOS> also i need a screenshot
20170519 12:52:07< celmin|sleep> Screenshots, huh.
20170519 12:52:37< vultraz_iOS> i only have 1
20170519 12:52:41< celmin|sleep> IIRC the last release had the new addons manager...? So maybe not repeat that. Attack prediction is new but not super-interesting but maybe you could make a screenshot of it anyway.
20170519 12:52:44< vultraz_iOS> wanted to do one with the new zombie drake
20170519 12:52:49< vultraz_iOS> but
20170519 12:52:51< celmin|sleep> That sounds like a good idea.
20170519 12:52:56< vultraz_iOS> i can't get a unit to say a message with him
20170519 12:53:00< vultraz_iOS> it
20170519 12:53:04< celmin|sleep> ?
20170519 12:53:10< vultraz_iOS> since unit variation=drake doesn't change the portrait
20170519 12:53:28< celmin|sleep> I think it should though?
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20170519 12:55:15< celmin|sleep> But you could also set the portrait manually, right?
20170519 12:55:19< celmin|sleep> unit profile=whatever
20170519 12:55:36< celmin|sleep> Or spawn a living drake and then kill it with a walking corpse.
20170519 12:55:51< vultraz_iOS> we need to implement a proper damn debug console
20170519 12:56:12< vultraz_iOS> with contextual manipulation
20170519 12:56:43< celmin|sleep> Contextual what now?
20170519 12:57:36< celmin|sleep> What's wrong with the current debug console anyway? Apart from lacking history.
20170519 12:58:44< celmin|sleep> Anyway, gone.
20170519 13:01:33< vultraz_iOS> celmin|sleep: anura has this really nice thing where you can click on an object (and everything is made of objects) and operations will affect properties of that object
20170519 13:02:19< vultraz_iOS> obv we can't do that but we could have it for units
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20170519 15:34:50< irker854> wesnoth: mattsc wesnoth:master a774ebad09e1 / projectfiles/Xcode/Wesnoth.xcodeproj/project.pbxproj: Update Xcode project https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/a774ebad09e1e2abd99c3c7186391c21ec68072b
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20170519 17:27:52< irker854> wesnoth: Allefant wesnoth:master ef27f8454bbd / data/tools/unit_tree/html_output.py: [units.wesnoth.org] prevent possible infinite loop when analyzing units in a bro https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/ef27f8454bbdb3aa1f1d47db1afe93f0d6253d5e
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20170519 18:47:30< irker854> wesnoth: Jyrki Vesterinen wesnoth:large-gui-canvas c0c76658a703 / src/ (font/text.cpp serialization/string_utils.cpp serialization/string_utils.hpp): Use boost::string_view if available https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/c0c76658a703d99ff395bc544509b081a1029e55
20170519 18:48:59< gfgtdf> JyrkiVesterinen: for lower boost version you can probably use boost::string_ref instead (with using string_view = boost::string_ref)
20170519 18:49:24< JyrkiVesterinen> Well, the problem is that I have no way to test it.
20170519 18:49:51< JyrkiVesterinen> In addition, we'd still need a custom string_view implementation if even string_ref isn't available.
20170519 18:50:20< JyrkiVesterinen> (String_ref was introduced in Boost 1.53; our required minimum is 1.48.)
20170519 18:51:00< JyrkiVesterinen> So, I think it's best to just use string_view if available, and fall back to a hand-rolled implementation otherwise.
20170519 18:54:11< gfgtdf> JyrkiVesterinen: if you want to have our own string_view it'S probably teh easiest to just copy it from the boost header
20170519 18:55:27< JyrkiVesterinen> Boost's implementation isn't in a single header. There is a template called basic_string_view, and string_view is its instantiation for the char type.
20170519 18:55:45< JyrkiVesterinen> I prefer to have the custom implementation as short as possible.
20170519 18:56:28< gfgtdf> JyrkiVesterinen: but ut meacs we have to update it very toime we need something that our string_view implementation is lacking
20170519 18:56:57< JyrkiVesterinen> Indeed. But I think it's not a problem.
20170519 18:57:33< gfgtdf> JyrkiVesterinen: it's annoying and in total more work  that just copying form boost.
20170519 19:07:36< vultraz_iOS> can we just bump boost?
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20170519 19:22:00< zookeeper> shadowm, ^ happy now?
20170519 19:22:49< shadowm> I won't be happy until vultraz makes Wesnoth great again. /s
20170519 19:22:58< zookeeper> oww
20170519 19:23:33< shadowm> How much better is 1.14 for UMC, out of curiosity? Give me a sales pitch.
20170519 19:23:43< zookeeper> it has the best things
20170519 19:23:48< zookeeper> it'll be great, believe me
20170519 19:23:58< zookeeper> in fact, it's amazing
20170519 19:23:59< shadowm> i.e. tell me why I should port my add-ons instead of letting them rot in the 1.12 server.
20170519 19:24:08< Kwandulin> yuuuuge improvements
20170519 19:24:42< vultraz_iOS> many new features esp lua ones
20170519 19:24:50< shadowm> Okay, but punctual stuff.
20170519 19:25:06< zookeeper> but, uh, i dunno, i'd port add-ons just so people would/could keep playing them on the new version.
20170519 19:25:12< shadowm> In particular, vultraz knows what kind of thing could potentially interest me.
20170519 19:25:19< shadowm> Yeah no I don't care about people.
20170519 19:25:25< shadowm> People don't care about my crap.
20170519 19:25:36< zookeeper> boo
20170519 19:25:41< vultraz_iOS> well you saw the storyscreen invocation change was added.
20170519 19:26:20< vultraz_iOS> new gate terrains since i know you've been bitching about those for ages
20170519 19:26:31< shadowm> I have indeed.
20170519 19:28:04< vultraz_iOS> [remove_object]
20170519 19:32:41< gfgtdf> vultraz_iOS: idon't realyl hva an opnion on bumping required boost version.
20170519 19:42:10< shadowm> That wasn't much of a sales pitch tbh.
20170519 19:42:39< shadowm> Ta ta:
20170519 19:42:42< shadowm> .
20170519 19:47:23< vultraz_iOS> i got nothing, really
20170519 19:47:28< vultraz_iOS> besides all the shiny new wml and lua stuff
20170519 19:50:55< sevu> How about support for workspace switching or the scaling options (though it's not finished yet)
20170519 19:53:51< gfgtdf> ye the impovemrnt in 1.14 for umc creators are basically the new wml/lua functions.
20170519 19:54:43< gfgtdf> for example:
20170519 19:54:48< gfgtdf> We now have [on_undo] to make certain actions undoable that peviously weren't.
20170519 19:55:06< gfgtdf> You can now define custom conditionalwml in lua.
20170519 19:55:25< gfgtdf> You can now use treeviews and unit preview pane in lua gui2 dialogs.
20170519 19:55:40< gfgtdf> You can change the theme during a scenario (i think? ask celmin to be sure).
20170519 19:55:48< vultraz_iOS> ye
20170519 19:55:49< vultraz_iOS> s
20170519 19:55:52< vultraz_iOS> youcan
20170519 19:56:06< gfgtdf> we have lua.read_file to read files (for example map files) at runtime.
20170519 19:59:57< gfgtdf> celmin|sleep: i wonder: shoudl attacks be undoable if they were aborted during the 'attack' event? I see no reason against that.
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20170519 20:30:17< zookeeper> gfgtdf, that would still mean the units would have lost their attacks and resting status, unless the event specifically restored them, right?
20170519 20:31:06< gfgtdf> zookeeper: wellwe coudl make the 'undo attack' actions in the c++ code restore those.
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20170519 20:35:17< zookeeper> gfgtdf, well, sure if you can make it do that...
20170519 20:37:40< zookeeper> it is something that probably has some legit uses... although i can't think of any right now
20170519 20:38:29< zookeeper> since we now have the [disable] special, you can use that if you for example need to make a specific weapon unusable against some kinds of targets. so you don't need this feature to abort the attack and let it be undoable, in that case.
20170519 20:41:21< gfgtdf> zookeeper: hmm ye probably not worth working on this one.
20170519 20:44:53< zookeeper> can't say i recall anyone ever asking for it :P
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20170519 23:50:36< celmin|sleep> [May 19@09:01:33am] vultraz_iOS: celmin|sleep: anura has this really nice thing where you can click on an object (and everything is made of objects) and operations will affect properties of that object
20170519 23:50:38< celmin|sleep> We basically already have this for the debug console. Okay, so it's hover rather than click, but pretty close.
20170519 23:50:39< celmin|sleep> [May 19@3:59:58pm] gfgtdf: celmin|sleep: i wonder: shoudl attacks be undoable if they were aborted during the 'attack' event? I see no reason against that.
20170519 23:50:39< celmin|sleep> I'd think that should be up to the aborted attack event to use [allow_undo]?
20170519 23:51:19< celmin|sleep> BTW, another reason to support adding custom synced commands - that would mean addons can extend the debug console.
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