--- Log opened Wed May 31 00:00:40 2017
20170531 00:18:22< celmin|sleep> Something amazing has happened on GitHub. :O
20170531 00:18:55< vultraz_iOS> hm?
20170531 00:19:05< vultraz_iOS> what happened on github
20170531 00:19:37< celmin|sleep> PR1742
20170531 00:19:49< vultraz_iOS> ah yes
20170531 00:19:57< vultraz_iOS> we must review this thoroughly
20170531 00:20:43< celmin|sleep> I wonder how you distinguish pinch motions from parallel motions.
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20170531 01:44:34< celticminstrel> Hmm, I see some potential for a custom flow control keyword.
20170531 01:45:03< celticminstrel> Instead of { wb::future_map_if_active raii; code }
20170531 01:45:30< celticminstrel> Wouldn't it be nicer to just write planned_unit_scope { code }
20170531 01:45:31< celticminstrel> ?
20170531 01:45:54< celticminstrel> Could be done via #define planned_unit_scope if(wb::future_map_if_active raii)
20170531 01:46:07< celticminstrel> Plus adding an operator bool to planned_unit_scope that always returns true.
20170531 01:46:35< celticminstrel> Although that method allows an else to be attached, so it's not ideal... hmm...
20170531 01:47:13< celticminstrel> I guess you'd really need the for(wb::future_map_if_active raii; once; ) trick.
20170531 01:47:48< celticminstrel> Obviously don't do any such thing before PR 1742 is merged. Don't want to step on his toes.
20170531 01:57:26< vultraz_iOS>   i have no idea what you're talking about
20170531 01:58:24< celticminstrel> The whiteboard.
20170531 01:59:08< celticminstrel> It frequently uses a scoped variable whose sole purpose is to run a destructor upon scope exit. (And probably something in the constructor as well.) I think the variable is never accessed.
20170531 01:59:41< celticminstrel> I think it might look nicer to write the second variant rather than the first (see the two lines just after "custom flow control keyword").
20170531 02:09:24< vultraz_iOS> custom flow control keyword?
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20170531 02:40:53< irker574> wesnoth: Charles Dang wesnoth:accelerated_rendering 828b04cae293 / src/font/text.cpp: Hack to get text to render right https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/828b04cae29332c576198992734a8d09c3932802
20170531 02:58:23< celticminstrel> vultraz_iOS: Basically a macro that looks like a flow control keyword.
20170531 03:05:22< vultraz_iOS> ok, now I should probably get that OGL context setup
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20170531 03:27:18< celticminstrel> vultraz_iOS: Just to be quite sure before I possibly make a fool of myself... we prefer "} else {", right?
20170531 03:27:42< vultraz_iOS> yes
20170531 03:29:54< celticminstrel> I am now deleting most of my comments. >_>
20170531 03:30:06< vultraz_iOS> oh dear
20170531 03:30:32< celticminstrel> Some because he already fixed the issues, but I'm also summarizing some of the ones I'm deleting in the final comment.
20170531 03:34:29< celticminstrel> Aaaand review submitted. Probably time to sleep now.
20170531 03:34:39< celticminstrel> Or soon at least.
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20170531 03:41:16< vultraz_iOS> celticminstrel: IYO, do you think I should work with OGL from here or fully commit to SDL only?
20170531 03:45:38< celticminstrel> I have no idea what you're even asking.
20170531 03:46:21< vultraz_iOS> SDL rendering != OGL rendering
20170531 03:46:32< vultraz_iOS> do you think we'll need OGL down the road
20170531 03:46:39< vultraz_iOS> so should i work with OGL
20170531 03:46:53< vultraz_iOS> because it will be difficult if i write everything for SDL and then have to change it to OGL
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20170531 03:48:07< celticminstrel> I don't know.
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20170531 03:48:33< celticminstrel> I think that if it can be done with just SDL, that would be preferable.
20170531 03:48:34< inky_> hi, just reporting another spambot on the forums.
20170531 03:48:39< celticminstrel> But I don't know if it can be done with just SDL.
20170531 03:49:05< vultraz_iOS> well there's stuff like texture tiling
20170531 03:49:15< vultraz_iOS> which might be easier with ogl?
20170531 03:49:20< vultraz_iOS> and ogl gives us shaders
20170531 03:49:29< celticminstrel> Well, you literally get tiling for free in OGL.
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20170531 03:49:58< celticminstrel> I bet image path functions could actually be compiled into a shader (not sure if that's a good idea, mind you).
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20170531 03:52:56< vultraz_iOS> so, yay on the OGL?
20170531 03:53:24< celticminstrel> I don't like OGL personally, but if we need it, then we need it, I guess?
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20170531 03:53:40< vultraz_iOS> why don't you like it
20170531 03:53:47< celticminstrel> SDL works with OGL in a number of ways. In particular, you can use SDL to create the OpenGL context.
20170531 03:54:07< celticminstrel> I don't like it mainly because it's a rather low-level C API with a vast array of global state.
20170531 03:54:21< celticminstrel> I find it hard to understand.
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20170531 04:00:51< vultraz_iOS> gahh
20170531 04:00:54< vultraz_iOS> gl is so complex
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20170531 04:06:34< vultraz_iOS> honestly id kinda prefer to work with just SDL
20170531 04:06:38< vultraz_iOS> the API is much cleaner
20170531 04:07:24< celticminstrel> I don't much like SDL either, but it's honestly preferable to OGL.
20170531 04:07:38< celticminstrel> Still, I can't say with confidence that it's sufficient for this task.
20170531 04:07:42< vultraz_iOS> but you don't get tiling
20170531 04:07:53< celticminstrel> You don't? Are you sure?
20170531 04:08:00< vultraz_iOS> well you can
20170531 04:08:04< vultraz_iOS> by copying a texture multiple times
20170531 04:08:36< celticminstrel> Ah, looks like you're right.
20170531 04:08:58< celticminstrel> About it not supporting it, I mean.
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20170531 04:12:21< vultraz_iOS> im not even sure how to *begin* to tackle the game with accelerated rendering
20170531 04:12:27< vultraz_iOS> the main game
20170531 04:14:05< vultraz_iOS> pretty sure we do need shaders, though
20170531 04:14:07< vultraz_iOS> ToD lighting
20170531 04:14:09< vultraz_iOS> water
20170531 04:14:25< vultraz_iOS> like, we could easily implement all the water shades with shaders
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20170531 04:43:43< Bonobo> someone's spamming threads in the off-topic subforum
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20170531 08:15:13< zookeeper> vultraz_iOS, so is the text rendering problem(s) the same as the general alpha blending bug?
20170531 08:15:37< vultraz_iOS> No
20170531 08:15:50< vultraz_iOS> at least i don;t think so
20170531 08:17:28< zookeeper> mmkay
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20170531 10:08:06< zookeeper> vultraz_iOS, to easily fix the problem with alpha scaling in portraits (etc), to me the first sane step would seem to be to bring back scale_surface_legacy and then selectively call that instead wherever it makes sense.
20170531 10:08:17< zookeeper> ...which looks pretty simple to me.
20170531 10:08:45< vultraz_iOS> well the help portrait scaling is with an ipfs
20170531 10:08:49< vultraz_iOS> IPF*
20170531 10:12:37< zookeeper> yes?
20170531 10:13:12< vultraz_iOS> so you'd have to change the IPF impl
20170531 10:13:17< vultraz_iOS> or add a ~SCALE_LEGACY
20170531 10:13:19< zookeeper> ~SCALE claims to use bilinear interpolation. it doesn't. that's why it causes the artifacts.
20170531 10:13:36< vultraz_iOS> I see
20170531 10:13:44< vultraz_iOS> then it should be done!
20170531 10:14:02< zookeeper> great :J
20170531 10:14:40< zookeeper> i already have it halfway done locally
20170531 10:17:36< zookeeper> i'd consult with iceiceice but apparently he's not really around anymore
20170531 10:18:06< vultraz_iOS> he's gone
20170531 10:18:12< vultraz_iOS> completely
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20170531 10:19:47< zookeeper> unfortunate, it is.
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20170531 10:57:15< zookeeper> or, rather, both scale_surface and scale_surface_legacy do bilinear interpolation, but with different special handling of alpha values. scale_surface breaks with alpha gradients (but maybe works better for sharp edges?), whereas scale_surface_legacy works well/better with alpha gradients (but maybe not with sharp edges?)
20170531 10:58:21< zookeeper> the code for both is so different that it's hard to really compare them, and i can't tell if the problem with scale_surface is a bug that's fixable or just an inherent consequence of whatever it tries to do to preserve edges.
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20170531 11:04:19< vultraz_iOS> who knows?
20170531 11:04:32< vultraz_iOS> once we get to accelerated rendering we won't need to worry
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20170531 11:13:00< zookeeper> i doubt accelerated rendering will magically provide us with all sorts of fancy interpolation algorithms that will do everything that the custom ones do.
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20170531 11:16:07< vultraz_iOS> you can scale textures to a specific size automatically when copying them
20170531 11:16:16< vultraz_iOS> they get scaled using a specific hint
20170531 11:16:22< vultraz_iOS> nn and linear are two options
20170531 11:17:18< JyrkiVesterinen> Right, but they don't do the same things as our custom scaling algorithms, and will therefore be inferior.
20170531 11:18:09< vultraz_iOS> well, of course we'll need to implement XBRZ scaling
20170531 11:18:18< vultraz_iOS> but simple nn or linear should be replacable
20170531 11:18:24< zookeeper> of course
20170531 11:18:40< zookeeper> possibly alpha-aware bilinear too
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20170531 12:13:29< zookeeper> anyway, so i can restore scale_surface_legacy and make at least SCALE use it instead of scale_surface, but that comes with the disclaimer that i don't really have a low-level understanding of how either function works.
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20170531 18:32:31< irker428> wesnoth: Jyrki Vesterinen wesnoth:master bc44b55cc79a / src/attack_prediction.cpp: Fix crash when a unit is guaranteed to level up after a battle https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/bc44b55cc79afbddbe06921f8a77ad41dd0a33ad
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20170531 19:15:21< zookeeper> eh, wait, this is dumb. the current scale_surface only causes the alpha artifacts if the channel values are really high, as in close to pure white.
20170531 19:16:12< zookeeper> i didn't test for that earlier, i didn't think it would be dependant on the rgb values
20170531 19:16:47< zookeeper> so maybe it's just some kind of simple math error that i can hope to find
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20170531 22:37:28< irker380> wesnoth: Charles Dang wesnoth:accelerated_rendering df99b936a70f / src/ (sdl/window.cpp sdl/window.hpp video.cpp): Initial work on setting up an OpenGL context (nothing works yet) https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/df99b936a70f1747cca924588c2f6d463d1a09b9
20170531 22:40:47< irker380> wesnoth: sigurdfdragon wesnoth:master e1f98a8782e2 / data/campaigns/Secrets_of_the_Ancients/scenarios/01_Slipping_Away.cfg: SotA S1: Grammer fix https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/e1f98a8782e2ac07952cd0f65d78b68c1da52570
20170531 22:46:58< vultraz_iOS> i suppose there's always SDL_gpu
20170531 22:47:05< vultraz_iOS> but i don't particularly like that
20170531 22:47:11< vultraz_iOS> it emulates the SDL 1.2 syntax
20170531 22:48:17< irker380> wesnoth: Charles Dang wesnoth:accelerated_rendering def93dd57bba / projectfiles/CodeBlocks/wesnoth.cbp: Updated CB projectfile https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/def93dd57bba7de58fc94ed0e6668e67052003ec
20170531 22:49:24< vultraz_iOS> and the sdl 1.2 syntax sucks ass
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20170531 23:01:35< irker380> wesnoth: sigurdfdragon wesnoth:master 62eb9c082959 / changelog players_changelog: Update changelog for #1705 & #1706 https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/62eb9c0829595a6a13019a5158089b1e1e59ac72
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20170531 23:24:23< SigurdFD> is there some sort of procedure with closing bugs and labels & milestones?
20170531 23:26:19< vultraz_iOS> yes
20170531 23:26:42< vultraz_iOS> close bugs immediately and if they're long-standing (more than 1 release old) add the next release as the milestone
20170531 23:31:44< SigurdFD> thanks
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20170531 23:52:06< shadowm> Anyone wants to tackle a really hard PHP and encryption-related task?
20170531 23:53:11< celmin|sleep> ...oh yeah, did vultraz_iOS fix the experience_differential yet?
20170531 23:53:20< vultraz_iOS> no
20170531 23:53:23< vultraz_iOS> i just switched back to master
20170531 23:53:46< irker380> wesnoth: Charles Dang wesnoth:master 1e28a54cf2c7 / projectfiles/CodeBlocks/ (wesnoth.cbp wesnothd.cbp): Update CodeBlocks projectfiles for Boost 1.64 https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/1e28a54cf2c7999a03f6151f273d7d5ed5da1863
20170531 23:53:55< vultraz_iOS> just updated my build environment to SDL 2.0.5 and Boost 1.64
20170531 23:54:38< celmin|sleep> [May 31@6:46:58pm] vultraz_iOS: i suppose there's always SDL_gpu
20170531 23:54:39< celmin|sleep> [May 31@6:47:05pm] vultraz_iOS: but i don't particularly like that
20170531 23:54:40< celmin|sleep> [May 31@6:47:12pm] vultraz_iOS: it emulates the SDL 1.2 syntax
20170531 23:54:41< celmin|sleep> The SDL_gpu formerly included in the repo was an SDL 1.2 library. Have you checked to see if there's an SDL2-compatible version of it? (There might not be, if SDL2 renders most of what it does redundant, but... did you check?)
20170531 23:54:52< shadowm> I guess not.
20170531 23:55:09 * celmin|sleep sees PHP and groans. >_>
20170531 23:55:15< vultraz_iOS> SDL_gpu is 2-compatible
20170531 23:55:29< vultraz_iOS> 1.2 AND 2 compatible :|
20170531 23:55:45< celmin|sleep> Gasp.
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