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[~magnus@212.237.134.185] has joined #wesnoth 20170510 19:39:47< wesnoth-discord-> https://wiki.wesnoth.org/UsefulLinks 20170510 19:40:16< wesnoth-discord-> Why not add this discord? 🙂 20170510 19:41:44< wesnoth-discord-> Added. 20170510 19:42:07< DeFender1031> Probably makes sense. Probably wasn't done yet because discord is relatively new and no one thought to add it yet. 20170510 19:46:52< celticminstrel> I notice that's not in the IRC topic either. Should it be? 20170510 19:46:57< celticminstrel> (Mind you, I can't add it myself.) 20170510 19:47:26< celticminstrel> Speaking of which, are all the links in the IRC topic also on Discord? 20170510 19:47:34< celticminstrel> Other than the link to Discord, obviously. 20170510 19:48:07< wesnoth-discord-> AFAIK, Discord doesn't even have a concept of channel topics to begin with. 20170510 19:48:32< celticminstrel> Oh, I misunderstood what Haichu was proposing. 20170510 19:49:21< celticminstrel> ...what? Why on earth is that page using fixed-width formatting? o.o 20170510 19:49:26< celticminstrel> I'll change it to tables... 20170510 19:51:01< celticminstrel> Or do the URLs need to be exposed? I could just change it to an unordered list. 20170510 19:51:55< zookeeper> there's all the space in the world to show the urls too, and seeing them gives a much better idea of especially subdomains and all that, so i think it's nice to show them 20170510 19:58:48< celticminstrel> The alternate MP stats link seems to no longer exist, so I'll remove it. 20170510 20:04:02< wesnoth-discord-> Discord does have 'pinned messages', which whilst less visible/useful than a topic, could work as an alternative 20170510 20:05:01< Ieuan> Having a link to the discord as the first thing in the topic makes it seem like the irc channel is obsolete ;) 20170510 20:07:05-!- gjekhd [~Loading@151.43.67.66] has joined #wesnoth 20170510 20:10:10< DeFender1031> Ieuan, there are those who seem to wish it were. 20170510 20:12:18 * elias will never leave IRC 20170510 20:12:24< celticminstrel> ^ 20170510 20:19:14-!- gnidaoL [~Loading@151.43.67.66] has joined #wesnoth 20170510 20:19:15-!- gjekhd [~Loading@151.43.67.66] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20170510 20:21:05-!- gnidaoL [~Loading@151.43.67.66] has quit [Client Quit] 20170510 20:23:52-!- Kwandulin [~Kwandulin@p200300760F6D803DA14702C3BE550BD3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20170510 20:24:21< Ieuan> Using both is a nice compromise :) 20170510 20:25:00< wesnoth-discord-> I use both too. However, on IRC I'm only in the Wesnoth development channel and not the main channel. 20170510 20:28:40< DeFender1031> @jyrkive I never noticed you weren't in this channel on this end... 20170510 20:29:02-!- mattsc [~mattsc@wesnoth/developer/mattsc] has joined #wesnoth 20170510 20:32:33< celticminstrel> Oh hi mattsc. 20170510 20:32:45< celticminstrel> I think I wanted to talk about migrating general functions out of ai_helper... 20170510 20:32:53< celticminstrel> (Already did migrate a few actually.) 20170510 20:33:55< mattsc> hey 20170510 20:35:41< celticminstrel> So far I just moved the location_set triples functions into the actual location_set. 20170510 20:36:13< mattsc> celticminstrel: okay, no worries AFAIC 20170510 20:36:23< celticminstrel> AFAIC? 20170510 20:36:38< mattsc> I = short for I’m ;) 20170510 20:36:51< celticminstrel> Oh, Concerned? 20170510 20:36:54< mattsc> as far as I’m concerned 20170510 20:36:58< mattsc> yes 20170510 20:37:08< celticminstrel> What's the purpose of ai_helper.serialize? 20170510 20:37:33< mattsc> without looking at it, turing a table into a string from what I remember 20170510 20:37:39< mattsc> *turning 20170510 20:37:42< celticminstrel> Is that still needed? 20170510 20:37:49< celticminstrel> Though I guess it could be useful for other things too, maybe. 20170510 20:37:57< mattsc> Don’t know. Is there another function that does this? 20170510 20:38:13< celticminstrel> Not sure. If there was it would probably be in ilua. 20170510 20:38:32< mattsc> Let me have a quick look at the code. 20170510 20:39:47< mattsc> Yeah, it turns whatever you input into a string, but not just for scalaras, but also for tables, adding ‘{‘ as needed. 20170510 20:40:42< mattsc> dbms in Wesnoth Lua Pack does something similar, but it puts it onto multiple lines (and that’s an add-on anyway). 20170510 20:41:08< mattsc> It’s very useful for debugging purposes (both of these) 20170510 20:41:16< celticminstrel> Ah. 20170510 20:41:35< celticminstrel> There's ilua._pretty_print which does something similar (though it seems to ellipsize large tables). 20170510 20:41:47< celticminstrel> (Also it prints it directly, rather than returning the string.) 20170510 20:41:49< mattsc> I see 20170510 20:43:36< mattsc> In general, ai_helper is a something that’s … definitely not finished/polished. It was meant to be adapted and cleaned up whenever we had a better handle on some of the AI development. Unfortunately, that development is still going on. 20170510 20:44:24< mattsc> In my AI testing code, I use different local versions that might be quite different by now (not sure when the last time I sunced them was). 20170510 20:44:34< celticminstrel> Oh. 20170510 20:44:53< mattsc> In other words, feel free to do more or less what you want with this, as long as you don’t break any of the Micro AIs. 20170510 20:44:57< celticminstrel> Well, I wasn't going to transfer everything, mind you. Just the things that seemed more generally useful. 20170510 20:46:02< mattsc> I am still actively working on AI development (Fred, at the moment) with whatever time I can spare. Once I get that to a point where it can be used as a general(ish) purpose AI, I am planning to clean up ai_helper. 20170510 20:46:09< mattsc> *If* that ever happens. 20170510 20:46:20< mattsc> But don’t hold your breath. 20170510 20:46:35< celticminstrel> By the way, do you know what "get_in_basis_N_NE" does? 20170510 20:46:43< celticminstrel> (In the map_location class) 20170510 20:46:59< mattsc> Uh … 20170510 20:50:45< mattsc> Just looked at the code; no, no idea 20170510 20:52:50< mattsc> Looks like some sort of conversion between different types of offset of adjacent files w.r.t. a hex 20170510 20:52:59< mattsc> but I bet you knew that much yourself 20170510 20:55:42< wesnoth-discord-> Poor my friend 😂 20170510 20:55:43< wesnoth-discord-> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/231976805987385345/311969572272209921/unknown.png 20170510 20:56:15< celticminstrel> ??? 20170510 20:57:43< DeFender1031> Doesn't look like blue stands much of a chance... 20170510 20:59:37< wesnoth-discord-> It's so funny this game 20170510 21:00:38< DeFender1031> @Tapion what do you mean? 20170510 21:01:54< celticminstrel> mattsc: I think one or two of the ai_helper functions might be obsoleted by these new functions? https://wiki.wesnoth.org/LuaWML/Tiles#wesnoth.map.get_direction 20170510 21:02:46< mattsc> celticminstrel: sorry, on the phone, will get back to you later 20170510 21:03:09< celticminstrel> 'kay 20170510 21:14:28-!- iwaim__ [~iwaim@2001:2c0:40e:2002:0:4:14:80] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20170510 21:17:13-!- Kranix [~magnus@212.237.134.185] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 20170510 21:21:10-!- minbonbon [~min@meta23.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20170510 21:21:48-!- minzbonbon [~min@meta23.net] has joined #wesnoth 20170510 21:23:52-!- iwaim__ [~iwaim@2001:2c0:40e:2002:0:4:14:80] has joined #wesnoth 20170510 21:34:50-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20170510 21:34:56-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth 20170510 22:22:27-!- zookeeper [~lmsnie@wesnoth/developer/zookeeper] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 20170510 22:32:41< mattsc> celticminstrel: sorry for that, I’m back now but only briefly and with not much time 20170510 22:33:08< mattsc> Yeah, looks like some of those might make a couple of the ai_helper functions unnecessary 20170510 22:34:22< mattsc> I know that those ai_helper functions were used by at least a couple people in their campaigns; I do not know whether by using ai_helper itself or by creating a local copy of them (the latter was done in at least one case I am aware of) 20170510 22:35:11< celticminstrel> What I'd recommend is that if they're obsolete, do what I did for helper.distance_between (not pushed yet). 20170510 22:35:28< celticminstrel> Basically log a deprecation warning and then call the new function. 20170510 22:35:48< mattsc> Hmm, okay; I can look into that sometime. 20170510 22:36:11-!- Vadatajs [~Vadatajs@63-152-65-187.cdrr.qwest.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20170510 22:45:24-!- Narrat [~Narrat@p5DED16D5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: They say a little knowledge is a dangerous thing, but it's not one half so bad as a lot of ignorance.] 20170510 22:48:00-!- Vadatajs [~Vadatajs@63-152-65-187.cdrr.qwest.net] has joined #wesnoth 20170510 23:36:50-!- THERetroGamerNY [THERetroGa@pool-68-133-48-135.bflony.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Be Blessed!] 20170510 23:49:13-!- SigurdFD [~SigurdFD@dynamic-acs-72-23-110-196.zoominternet.net] has joined #wesnoth --- Log closed Thu May 11 00:00:24 2017