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20170609 04:43:24< irker902> wesnoth: Jyrki Vesterinen wesnoth:master 2aefb78ab759 / src/attack_prediction.cpp: Fix build with -Werror=unused-variable https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/2aefb78ab7595d5f6d5939f22a3354eb2e72c02b
20170609 04:47:35< celticminstrel> I wonder why they're unused...
20170609 04:57:10< JyrkiVesterinen> It's intentional.
20170609 04:57:30< JyrkiVesterinen> i PUT ALL THE VARIABLES THERE IN THE HOPE THAT THE FUNCTION WOULD BE A BIT EASIER TO READ.
20170609 04:57:39< JyrkiVesterinen> (Accidentally used Caps Lock, sorry.)
20170609 04:57:45< celticminstrel> I figured.
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20170609 05:44:26< travis-ci> wesnoth/wesnoth#14128 (master - 2aefb78 : Jyrki Vesterinen): The build was fixed.
20170609 05:44:26< travis-ci> Build details : https://travis-ci.org/wesnoth/wesnoth/builds/241058178
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20170609 13:05:09< vn971> Wow, just installed the new version of wesnoth.
20170609 13:05:23< vn971> Looks awesome at start!
20170609 13:05:29< vn971> (I mean the developer version.)
20170609 13:05:40< vn971> I immediately have some bugs to report though.
20170609 13:07:50< vn971> 1. altering the Sound options should have _immediate_ effect. Currently it applies only when you click "Close" button.
20170609 13:08:45< vn971> as there are no "OK" and "Cancel" buttons, an immediate effect should be more intuitive, I think.
20170609 13:10:57< JyrkiVesterinen> Not really a bug, just a missing feature.
20170609 13:11:12< JyrkiVesterinen> You can file a GitHub issue if you want.
20170609 13:12:37< vn971> 2. there was a bug with initial resolution of wesnoth. Possibly because the "main screen" in new version is a bit scaled up, comparing to the old version? Anyway, what I observed was the wesnoth main screen stretched to about 1300x700 or something like that, at the upper-left portion of my screen, which is 1920x1080.
20170609 13:13:03< vn971> I don't know how to describe the 2-th bug properly. Please ask if it's not clear what's happening.
20170609 13:13:42< vn971> The area outside of 1300x700 showed other windows.
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20170609 13:14:26< vn971> It's a popular bug with fullscreen apps. But it affected the first launch of the new version so I decided to write.
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20170609 13:16:06< vn971> JyrkiVesterinen: thanks! You're probably right.
20170609 13:17:57< JyrkiVesterinen> Regarding the second bug, do you mean that you run Wesnoth in fullscreen mode, but it doesn't cover the whole screen?
20170609 13:18:01< JyrkiVesterinen> If yes, it's https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/issues/1569
20170609 13:21:40< vn971> JyrkiVesterinen: it was the first run (directory ~/.local/share/wesnoth/git did not exist). Yes, I think it's the same bug. Made a comment there, too.
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20170609 13:45:20< vn971> 1-st thing I wrote about: https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/issues/1766
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20170609 14:24:07< vn971> created a yet another issue, this time with sliders on game creation window: https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/issues/1767
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20170609 14:36:53< vn971> Yet another bug. Not really important but still: https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/issues/1768
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20170609 14:41:51< vultraz_iOS> that's a simple one
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20170609 15:05:23< vn971> A question: how do I skip a turn with a unit in wesnoth-1.13.8+dev ?
20170609 15:05:23< vn971> In wesnoth-1.12 it was "Space", which is very convenient. If you have a lot of units, you may explicitely tell a unit it will not move in this turn anymore and iterate over the units that left.
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20170609 15:06:49< vn971> "Space" -- I mean the keyboard Space. If you press it, unit will not re-occur in "Next unit" list anymore.
20170609 15:08:27< vultraz_iOS> sounds like another bug
20170609 15:08:28< vultraz_iOS> :(
20170609 15:08:52< vn971> vultraz_iOS: should I open a bug report?
20170609 15:09:00< vultraz_iOS> sure
20170609 15:12:43< vn971> cool, done https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/issues/1769
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20170609 20:18:57 * zookeeper blinks
20170609 20:19:20< zookeeper> the add-on manager is smart enough to ignore a "the" prefix in add-on names when (by default) sorting by name?
20170609 20:20:51< Kwandulin> I guess the manager also checks the add-on description and apparently in every (or most) descriptions is "the"
20170609 20:20:57< Kwandulin> -s
20170609 20:22:01< zookeeper> ...what?
20170609 20:22:07< zookeeper> does not compute
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20170609 20:32:14< shadowm> Are you sure it's that and not that someone made it sort by id instead of name?
20170609 20:33:48< shadowm> What the.
20170609 20:34:06< shadowm> What is the default order again? Also, if I sort by name it definitely doesn't seem to have any special knowledge of "The".
20170609 20:36:38< zookeeper> yeah, could be something else too.
20170609 20:39:13< shadowm> 105.4 MB → 502.5 MB.
20170609 20:39:42< shadowm> That's how much Wesnoth's memory usage increases when going into the Credits sequence after launching to the title screen.
20170609 20:39:56 * shadowm *slow clap*
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20170609 20:41:17< shadowm> For comparison, it only rises to 218.5 when going into UtBS scenario 1.
20170609 20:44:33< zookeeper> yeah it's pretty terrible :> i suppose no one feels like taking the time to optimize it
20170609 20:47:34< shadowm> I believe I've seen this being discussed a few times on Discord and the answer is that it can't be optimized with the current GUI2 canvas architecture.
20170609 20:48:35< shadowm> It does makes me question the wisdom in rushing the conversion of the Credits screen before the toolkit could properly support it, though.
20170609 20:48:57< shadowm> Has anyone considered making keyboard shortcuts in menus right-aligned like they are on e.g. Windows?
20170609 20:50:37< JyrkiVesterinen> shadowm: The default order in the add-on manager is indeed by ID.
20170609 20:50:51< shadowm> Are you sure it's by id and not by server order?
20170609 20:50:58< JyrkiVesterinen> Yes.
20170609 20:51:02< zookeeper> shadowm, well of course it could be optimized by not putting all the credits on one gargantuan texture, but by splitting it up to one texture per section and creating/freeing them as they come in and out of view.
20170609 20:51:10< shadowm> That's not a great default sorting criterion.
20170609 20:51:13< JyrkiVesterinen> The add-ons are stored internally in a std::set, using the ID as key.
20170609 20:51:32< JyrkiVesterinen> When the set is iterated, it uses lexicographical order.
20170609 20:51:48< shadowm> zookeeper: Oh, good to know you're working on this. \o/
20170609 20:53:16< zookeeper> you have to brush up on your sarcasm a bit, it's not making much sense right now :p
20170609 20:53:57< shadowm> If you took the time to write an elaborate answer like that it means you're either working on a patch or have already filed/are going to file a bug report/comment on a bug report including that information.
20170609 20:54:26< shadowm> JyrkiVesterinen: My problem with this is that it's impossible right now to sort add-ons by last/first upload time.
20170609 20:55:29< JyrkiVesterinen> That's issue #1747. Already marked as blocker, and assigned to vultraz.
20170609 20:55:32< zookeeper> shadowm, if you're right i think we have a solution to all our manpower problems
20170609 20:56:04< zookeeper> all we need is to write a couple of sentences about everything that needs doing and then it means we're already doing them and they will be done soon \o/
20170609 20:56:55< shadowm> Implying you'd rather drop an offhand comment about it and let it be instantly forgotten than provide a helpful hint for anyone who might be interested in fixing it in the less immediate future.
20170609 20:57:39< shadowm> I don't know how the Credits screen right now is implemented for sure, but I'm pretty sure I've seen people refer to it as a giant label that gets automatically scrolled by a timer.
20170609 20:58:02< JyrkiVesterinen> It's correct. The Credits screen is implemented with one massive label.
20170609 20:58:12< shadowm> So the first issue is that it's a label and therefore it needs to be entirely rendered offscreen at once.
20170609 20:58:48< JyrkiVesterinen> Just recently I doubled the maximum height of labels to fix the screen outright breaking if too many add-on campaigns are installed: https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/pull/1028
20170609 20:59:45< shadowm> The previous approach of hand-rendering the text from the dialog loop (in lieu of a generic animation mechanism in GUI2) would've worked just fine.
20170609 21:00:18< shadowm> Anyway, back to the Add-ons Manager, the default sorting criterion should be the add-on name, not id.
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20170609 21:00:54< shadowm> Ids are completely invisible to users and since quite a lot of add-on maintainers don't keep them in sync with the actual names, they result in unexpected behavior as far as a user is concerned.
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20170609 21:01:05< JyrkiVesterinen> Probably easiest would be to just sort by the name column by default.
20170609 21:01:29< JyrkiVesterinen> The player would be able to return to the ID sorting by clicking the name column, but it wouldn't be a big problem IMO.
20170609 21:01:32< shadowm> That'd work too -- depending on exactly how you people plan to bring back the upload time sorting.
20170609 21:02:11< shadowm> If it's done the same way I did it, then the list would need to be presorted by name.
20170609 21:02:46< shadowm> (I wrote the add-ons UI implementation used in the 1.12 version.)
20170609 21:02:46< JyrkiVesterinen> Adding an upload time column is pretty much the only idea we have right now. :/
20170609 21:03:20< shadowm> Then you'd gain a horizontal scrollbar, which AFAIU is something vultraz considers equivalent to murdering a puppy.
20170609 21:04:21< JyrkiVesterinen> Depends on window size. And maybe another column could be hidden if there isn't enough space otherwise.
20170609 21:05:08< shadowm> Window size, you say.
20170609 21:05:17< shadowm> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/259976436490829825/322843580584427520/Spectacle.j26081.png
20170609 21:05:22< shadowm> Not large enough?
20170609 21:06:15< JyrkiVesterinen> 1920 pixels is easily enough to add an upload time column as well. The add-on description would still be wide enough.
20170609 21:07:32< shadowm> Oops. Resizing the screen while in the Add-ons Manager apparently has unexpected consequences.
20170609 21:08:02< shadowm> Which is to say: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/259976436490829825/322844253220765706/Spectacle.K26081.png
20170609 21:08:53< JyrkiVesterinen> Hmm. I think I'm too busy with other stuff to do anything about it. :(
20170609 21:08:55< shadowm> It doesn't look like this has been filed yet.
20170609 21:15:37< shadowm> https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/issues/1771
20170609 21:17:11< shadowm> Do you want me to assign it to you?
20170609 21:17:37< JyrkiVesterinen> No. As I said, I'm too busy with other stuff.
20170609 21:18:54< shadowm> Okay, just asking because people have historically assigned themselves bugs sometimes years in advance.
20170609 21:19:36< shadowm> How are we supposed to tell bugs that affect 1.14.x only and 1.15.x only apart in the future?
20170609 21:19:46< shadowm> (Or for that matter, 1.12.x vs 1.13.x right now.)
20170609 21:20:07< JyrkiVesterinen> My personal preference is not to assign myself to anything, and allow other developers to start working on those bugs instead.
20170609 21:20:38< JyrkiVesterinen> I assign myself to a bug when I start fixing it, if I think that fixing it will take long enough that someone else might also start working on it before I'm done.
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20170609 21:21:11< JyrkiVesterinen> For bugs which affect 1.12.x, we have the "stable" label.
20170609 21:21:47< shadowm> Wouldn't it make more sense to have versioned labels?
20170609 21:21:55< shadowm> e.g. stable-1.12, stable-1.14, stable-1.16.
20170609 21:22:36< JyrkiVesterinen> Hmm... maybe it would indeed be better.
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