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20170613 00:04:45< celticminstrel> Ugh, why am I connected?
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20170613 00:19:44< vultraz_iOS> should you not be?
20170613 00:20:48< celmin> Well, now I should be.
20170613 00:22:10< gfgtdf> vultraz_iOS: any opinion on my fix above? i didn't test it so i'm not 100% sure it fixes the issue, but onless you havea better fix i'll merge it
20170613 00:22:18< vultraz_iOS> im not sure
20170613 00:23:41< gfgtdf> vultraz_iOS: the idea is that not adjust_game_row_contents will only add those allbacks if the grid is a grid that we just created, so we don't add the callbacks twice
20170613 00:23:59< vultraz_iOS> ok
20170613 00:24:14< vultraz_iOS> in that case the callback code should be moved out of that function
20170613 00:24:43< vultraz_iOS> move it to where the buttons are created - probably the same place a new row is added
20170613 00:25:17< gfgtdf> vultraz_iOS: i don't intend to change the pr unless it's not working.
20170613 00:25:47< vultraz_iOS> it probably works but it's not very elegant tht way
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20170613 00:27:53< travis-ci> Build details : https://travis-ci.org/wesnoth/wesnoth/builds/242201716
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20170613 01:47:56< irker736> wesnoth: Celtic Minstrel wesnoth:master 73f1541e813b / changelog src/units/filter.cpp: SUF: Accept range-lists for integer keys (level, defense, recall_cost, movement_ https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/73f1541e813bad8783bc0c53b96ee696e14675de
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20170613 02:01:24< vultraz_iOS> hmmm
20170613 02:01:47< vultraz_iOS> so i can indeed use SDL_SetTextureColorMod to tint the terrains for ToD drawing but the tod_color data is not the data im looking for..
20170613 02:03:58< vultraz_iOS> ponder ponder ponder
20170613 02:04:13< vultraz_iOS> the ToD color values are color deltas based on current pixel color value :/
20170613 02:07:06< vultraz_iOS> hmm
20170613 02:07:28< vultraz_iOS> actually i guess there's no way to get the relevant data without using surfaces here
20170613 02:08:46< vultraz_iOS> since i don't think there's any way to convert these delta values to static colors.
20170613 02:14:25< celmin> I assume a way exists, but I dunno what it is.
20170613 02:15:23< celmin> This is assuming that you really can use SDL_SetTextureColorMod to tint the terrains for ToD drawing.
20170613 02:15:31< celmin> Which I'm not so sure of, TBH.
20170613 02:17:09< vultraz_iOS> Well I can
20170613 02:17:32< vultraz_iOS> I just don't have the right color...
20170613 02:17:43< celmin> Does this mean that you can produce the exact same results, pixel-perfect?
20170613 02:17:51< celmin> Because I suspect you might not be able to.
20170613 02:17:55< vultraz_iOS> Probably not
20170613 02:17:56< celmin> The "right color" may not exist.
20170613 02:18:07< vultraz_iOS> Indeed
20170613 02:18:21< celmin> How does SDL_SetTextureColorMod work?
20170613 02:19:09< vultraz_iOS> srcC = srcC * (color / 255)
20170613 02:19:32< celmin> Okay, it's probably impossible then.
20170613 02:20:06< vultraz_iOS> What about with a sharer
20170613 02:20:06< vultraz_iOS> Shader
20170613 02:20:20< celmin> Obviously that would be possible.
20170613 02:20:28< vultraz_iOS> I see
20170613 02:20:34< celmin> Shaders can do anything.
20170613 02:20:37< celmin> More or less.
20170613 02:20:38< vultraz_iOS> Well this is very unfortunate because I don't have the damn shaders
20170613 02:20:48< vultraz_iOS> FML
20170613 02:20:52< celmin> FML?
20170613 02:21:05< vultraz_iOS> F my life :p
20170613 02:21:15< celmin> :|
20170613 02:21:25< vultraz_iOS> A statement used to convey great frustration
20170613 02:22:47< vultraz_iOS> From what I saw even the basic SDL operations become 10x more complicated with OGL
20170613 02:25:39< vultraz_iOS> *huffs*
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20170613 02:30:59< shadowm> I told you so.
20170613 02:31:36< shadowm> And it'd be at least 1,000,000x worse with Vulkan (given your current skillset, at least).
20170613 02:31:50< shadowm> #nothyperbole
20170613 02:32:00< celticminstrel> TBH I'd suggest we shouldn't even consider Vulkan.
20170613 02:32:59< shadowm> No-one's considering it. I name-dropped it just in case.
20170613 02:33:10< vultraz_iOS> ;_;
20170613 02:33:54< celticminstrel> Also if we use OpenGL we should use the absolute minimum possible, and probably nothing newer than 3.
20170613 02:37:00< vultraz_iOS> 3.2 I assume
20170613 02:37:07< vultraz_iOS> I hear that's the one to use
20170613 02:37:16< celticminstrel> I was thinking 3.1 or 3.0, but maybe 3.2.
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20170613 05:37:44< wedge009> I thought Vulkan is intended to open low-level hardware access for developers wanting to squeeze more graphics performance out of processes that would otherwise be CPU-bound with high-level APIs. In Wesnoth, I expect OpenGL would be sufficient.
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20170613 06:26:50< shadowm> Its primary target audience is people who have to do multithreaded rendering, but yes.
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20170613 07:51:48< aeth> It's 3.2 or 3.3
20170613 07:52:53< aeth> 3.2 introduces core profile, which is why it's the minimum.
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20170613 07:54:39< aeth> Quite a lot of software is written to 3.3 instead because in theory 3.x hardware is 3.x hardware (and Direct3D 10). Bad drivers means there are a few people on 3.2 without 3.3, though.
20170613 07:55:44< aeth> The more I talk about this on IRC the more I meet people with bad OpenGL drivers. :p
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20170613 08:02:26< aeth> By core profile, I mean, before 3.2 you're not really using modern OpenGL. You have access to the deprecated, old way of doing things. 3.2 core is the first modern OpenGL version.
20170613 08:07:16< vultraz_iOS> well, either way
20170613 08:07:25< vultraz_iOS> I'd kinda like some help if we're going with OGL
20170613 08:07:35< vultraz_iOS> SDL, I can work with.
20170613 08:07:38< vultraz_iOS> It's easy.
20170613 08:07:46< vultraz_iOS> OGL.. not as simple as I thought :(
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20170613 10:54:27< vn971> Hm, I think the UI "enabled" status got a bit broken in 1.13.8+dev. For example: 1. install "Switch Leader" add-on. 2. Start creating new game 3. in "Custom Options" see the add-on settings 4. enable checkbox "No Limit". 5. At this moment, the bottom slider of setting the limit should be disabled. But in fact it's working. I think it worked correctly in 1.12.*
20170613 10:57:56< vultraz_iOS> :(
20170613 10:58:01< vultraz_iOS> file bug pls
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20170613 12:17:13< vn971> hmm. Also, XP Mod doesn't work in 1.13.8+dev. Whenever you use your XP for anything, wesnoth sets your XP to a negative value.
20170613 12:17:45< vn971> the previous version treated negative value as "apply a difference", subtract N from some property. Not "set it to -N".
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20170613 12:23:12< vn971> vultraz_iOS: raised the first one: https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/issues/1788
20170613 12:26:09< vn971> raised the second one (about XP Mod): https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/issues/1789
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20170613 12:53:44< vn971> we need more bugs! Found another one.
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20170613 12:53:46< irker045> wesnoth: gfgtdf wesnoth:gfgtdf-patch-2 9a81913eba5e / src/gui/widgets/settings.cpp: make [resulution] window_width=, window_height= the minimum required window size https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/9a81913eba5e426dd874984269c274cd45c31280
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20170613 12:54:15< vn971> Somehow, if you forcibly (via add-on) add "teleport" ability to your leader, he will be able to teleport between _all_ kind of villages, not only your own.
20170613 12:54:44< vn971> So he can enter an unoccupied village and exit any other unoccupied village -- all that in one turn.
20170613 12:55:07< vn971> or, he can actually enter an enemy village and exit an enemy village.
20170613 12:55:23< vn971> have to test this further. Maybe this works without add-ons if I start from Red Mage?
20170613 12:57:07< zookeeper> O.o
20170613 12:57:26< zookeeper> ah
20170613 12:57:33< zookeeper> that must be a variable substitution issue when adding the ability
20170613 12:57:37< irker045> wesnoth: gfgtdf wesnoth:gfgtdf-patch-2 fbee486b0a1e / data/gui/widget/addon_list.cfg: fix resolutions in addon_list.cfg https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/fbee486b0a1e7e46c4bd798e51179a0018a8442e
20170613 12:59:09< zookeeper> that is, the owner_side=$teleport_unit.side filters get substituted when adding the ability, at which point there of course is no $teleport_unit
20170613 13:00:12< zookeeper> or at least that would very much explain exactly the behaviour you describe. what's the code you're using to add it?
20170613 13:00:23< vn971> zookeeper: yes, confirming it does NOT work without add-on. So this behavior appears at time when I give the unit this ability via {ABILITY_TELEPORT} macro.
20170613 13:00:55< irker045> wesnoth: gfgtdf wesnoth:gfgtdf-patch-2 d4087c43d37a / data/gui/window/mp_staging.cfg: fix resolutions in mp_staging.cfg https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/d4087c43d37ab136a77e52a8198eb8a101d86d50
20170613 13:01:05< vn971> zookeeper: just [abilities] {ABILITY_TELEPORT} [/abilities]
20170613 13:01:42< vn971> zookeeper: note that it only works on the leader, not normal recruits. So I guess there still is a bug or some strange behavior somewhere inside.
20170613 13:01:48< zookeeper> yes... where and how?
20170613 13:01:58< zookeeper> in [side]?
20170613 13:02:02< irker045> wesnoth: gfgtdf wesnoth:gfgtdf-patch-2 7fc000922f43 / data/gui/window/addon_manager.cfg: fix resolutions in addon_manager.cfg https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/7fc000922f43094fe4cbda82263df6fd12e58a73
20170613 13:02:30< irker045> wesnoth: gfgtdf wesnoth:gfgtdf-patch-2 7fcb6a5e3982 / data/gui/window/mp_create_game/tiny_resolution.cfg:  fix resolutions in tiny_resolution.cfg https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/7fcb6a5e3982b316c74a1dac658c786179adc6d0
20170613 13:02:49< vn971> zookeeper: right. Full code: https://gist.github.com/vn971/6b957b1a3509fd68bc6d782254c0d3cf
20170613 13:03:30< irker045> wesnoth: gfgtdf wesnoth:gfgtdf-patch-2 ad5602a4f609 / data/gui/window/mp_create_game/small_resolution.cfg: fix resolutions in small_resolution.cfg https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/ad5602a4f609f71b93d8b6b83da146588a261faf
20170613 13:04:16< zookeeper> vn971, mmkay... i take it that if you try adding delayed_variable_substitution=yes to the [object], that will fix it? although you'll need to adjust the filter accordingly
20170613 13:05:29< irker045> wesnoth: gfgtdf wesnoth:gfgtdf-patch-2 e7db84822e13 / data/gui/window/mp_create_game/default_resolution.cfg: fix resolutions in mp_create_game default_resolution.cfg https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/e7db84822e13feec08026a81c4b5c60c104dd3e8
20170613 13:05:39< zookeeper> the thing i have a hard time believing is that it only works on the leader
20170613 13:07:15< vn971> zookeeper: don't even know what that is.:D Trying to understand what eventwml says now.
20170613 13:08:10< zookeeper> don't worry
20170613 13:08:29< zookeeper> i'll bug... someone about it, after i've managed to check it out myself
20170613 13:09:03< zookeeper> it's a sad inevitable consequence of pushing all that filtering stuff to WML
20170613 13:09:41< zookeeper> although actually https://wiki.wesnoth.org/DirectActionsWML#.5Bobject.5D already mentions the special case of ABILITY_TELEPORT etc
20170613 13:13:54< vn971> zookeeper: Cool. Will see if I manage to add a simpler reproducible case with the Leader / not Leader thing.
20170613 13:14:28< zookeeper> https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/issues/1281 being the current issue for it
20170613 13:17:34< irker045> wesnoth: gfgtdf wesnoth:gfgtdf-patch-2 ff10ded7f918 / data/gui/widget/addon_list.cfg:  fix resolutions in addon_list.cfg https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/ff10ded7f918f8883d1de293e312fc1d07380dc0
20170613 13:26:41< gfgtdf> vultraz_iOS: any opinion on #1790 ?
20170613 13:28:44< vultraz_iOS> Hmm I don't understand what you mean when you say the wrong resolutions were chosen before
20170613 13:33:30< vultraz_iOS> Oh wait I see
20170613 13:33:31< vultraz_iOS> Ok
20170613 13:39:38< vultraz_iOS> Hmm
20170613 13:40:34< vultraz_iOS> gfgtdf: I don't think it changes anything thoug? I.e. With your new system you get the same resolution at 800x600 as before
20170613 13:40:36< gfgtdf> vultraz_iOS: try to open mp create with a 838x978  resolution (see issue #1780)
20170613 13:42:15< vultraz_iOS> Hm it's choosing the medium resolution there?
20170613 13:43:28< vultraz_iOS> And you want it to choose the small one?
20170613 13:44:37< gfgtdf> he is currently chooseing the big default resulution there 
20170613 13:45:02< gfgtdf> becasue the hight is to big for the other 2 reesulutions.
20170613 13:45:09< gfgtdf> the window height
20170613 13:45:57< vultraz_iOS> hmmmmmmmmm
20170613 13:46:10< vultraz_iOS> yes this is indeed a problem..
20170613 13:46:34< gfgtdf> vultraz_iOS: an unrelated: issue: i am able to resze the window to < 800x600 by dragging the window title to the upper left corner of the screen,  (using windows 10). Not sue if this is something we can fix
20170613 13:46:47< vultraz_iOS> :|
20170613 13:48:09< gfgtdf> 838x593 to be exact, didn't casue any problems yet but i think this ist'
20170613 13:48:17< gfgtdf> is a bug bug somehere
20170613 13:48:27< gfgtdf> (at our code, in sdl or in windows)
20170613 13:48:52< vultraz_iOS> i can't repro that
20170613 13:49:19< gfgtdf> vultraz_iOS: probabyl becasue your screen is bigger(resulution-wise)
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20170613 14:28:51< vn971> hmm, I'm a bit lost. What's up with sun and moon movement (left to right / right to left)? It's "broken" now for me, and I can't find a place to set that I live in the north part of earth.
20170613 14:29:12< vn971> It was under "Advanced" tab previosly, but I can't find it there anymore.
20170613 14:31:31< vultraz_iOS> the ToD images?
20170613 14:31:39< vultraz_iOS> we removed the option to flip those.
20170613 14:32:05< vultraz_iOS> It was honestly rather a ridiculous option to have.
20170613 14:34:42< vn971> vultraz_iOS: wait what?)) The sun goes in the wrong direction now.
20170613 14:35:32< vultraz_iOS> if it really bothers you, pretend it's a cosmological feature of the world Wesnoth is part of
20170613 14:35:49< vn971> vultraz_iOS: it's very very much surprising for me. I mean, I know the sun goes always "clockwise" on the north parth of earth, and constantly breaking that intuition would be very bad for me.. Dunno. Why the change?
20170613 14:36:21< vn971> vultraz_iOS: but why change that at all?
20170613 14:36:28< vultraz_iOS> There was no change. That's how the images were originally drawn
20170613 14:36:47< vultraz_iOS> We'll be replacing them soon anyway
20170613 14:37:19< vultraz_iOS> But we removed the option to flip the images since, really, who goes into a game and expects to find an option to change the direction of the sun in a little image in the sidebar
20170613 14:37:20< vn971> vultraz_iOS: previously you could override that (which I obviously did, to reflect my intuition about sun movement on Earth).
20170613 14:37:38< AI0867_> vn971: if you're in the northern hemisphere, and you look south, the sun will move counterclockwise
20170613 14:37:46< AI0867_> if you look north, you won't see the sun at noon
20170613 14:38:07< AI0867_> er, clockwise
20170613 14:38:14< vn971> AI0867_: yes, always clockwise.
20170613 14:38:19< vultraz_iOS> it was just a case of a superfluous option
20170613 14:38:50< AI0867_> there are too many mistakes and (bad) interpretations you can make here
20170613 14:39:14< vn971> vultraz_iOS: ok, maybe change the default to "your current timezone" then?
20170613 14:39:14< vn971> Or, make graphics not dependent on sun movement, but rather use color temperature?...
20170613 14:39:51< vultraz_iOS> No.
20170613 14:40:23< vultraz_iOS> I'm sorry, but we aren't going to draw a whole bunch of different graphics just to make this one tiny detail "fit"
20170613 14:40:45< vultraz_iOS> and as I said, we'll be replacing them soon anyway and will probably then piss off people in the southern hemisphere
20170613 14:40:47< vn971> AI0867_: what kind of mistakes?
20170613 14:42:54< vn971> vultraz_iOS: does it really need drawing? In terms of CSS that would be just a property (to show the same static image inverted right-to-left).
20170613 14:46:27< vn971> I only see one possible bug with the old approach of having himesphere knowledge: different players could have different views of whether the sun is "right" or "left". They both will see "Morning", for example, but the picture would be different. But I personally think that's a lesser bug than intuition-breaking sun movement.
20170613 14:47:05< vultraz_iOS> no they don't need to be drawn
20170613 14:47:19< vultraz_iOS> if you just want the images flipped like before
20170613 14:47:51< vultraz_iOS> but if you want accurate representations in all timeszones as you suggested then yes more would need to be drawn
20170613 14:52:32< vn971> vultraz_iOS: I've probably made a typo or something (English is not my first language). I only want to flip the image, no complex things like arc calculation.
20170613 14:53:00< vultraz_iOS> i see
20170613 14:53:06< vn971> vultraz_iOS: just flipping would be ideal.
20170613 14:53:13< vultraz_iOS> well, that's possible, but im sorry, we don't want to restore that option
20170613 14:53:30< vultraz_iOS> obviously you could go into the game's files and flip the image yourself and resave it
20170613 14:53:42< vultraz_iOS> or even easier
20170613 14:53:59< vn971> good idea, I'll do it :D But that doesn't "scale" for other people..
20170613 14:54:20< vultraz_iOS> go into data/core/macros/schedules.cfg and append this: "~FL(horiz)" to the end of the offending image paths
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20170613 15:06:37< vn971> vultraz_iOS: somehow that didn't work. But renaming morning <-> afternoon files did.
20170613 15:06:37< vn971> OK, the real question is: why was the inversion option removed? Is it considered too complex even under "Advanced" settings?
20170613 15:06:54< vn971> vultraz_iOS: or is maintaining it too "costy"?
20170613 15:07:50< vultraz_iOS> no
20170613 15:08:37< vultraz_iOS> it was just a case of "too many options are bad"
20170613 15:08:50< vultraz_iOS> is bad*
20170613 15:08:51< vultraz_iOS> rather
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20170613 16:03:12< AI0867_> vn971: where are you, in which direction are you looking, what season is it (especially fun near the equator)
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20170613 16:06:14< vn971> AI0867_: I'm in the norther part of Earth. Moscow/Russia to be precise. But the sun moves _always_ to the right, everywhere in the northern part of Earth.
20170613 16:06:54< vn971> AI0867_: it's the same for all seasons. Direction and time of day doesn't matter.
20170613 16:08:34< vn971> AI0867_: actually, the technique of navigating (determining North-South-West-East) relies on that, and also the fact that the _speed_ of how sun changes its angle is approximately the same on all parts of northern hemisphere.
20170613 16:09:41< shadowm> "the sun moves always to the right" Which right? :p
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20170613 16:10:03< AI0867_> yes, now go to a place that doesn't have quite so high a latitude, and lie on your back, facing north
20170613 16:10:12< AI0867_> you'll still see the sun, but traversing the other way!
20170613 16:10:30< vn971> shadowm: OK, I mean clockwise.:) "Right" means that if you look at it directly, it will go to the right (clockwise around you).
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20170613 16:12:10< vn971> AI0867_: yeah, and the earth will be "above" you, if you look upside down as you're telling.:)
20170613 16:12:23< shadowm> My argument in favor of removing is that 1) Irdya is not Earth; 2) Even if the depicted sun path might seem wrong to you at first, that stops being relevant once you get used to it.
20170613 16:12:27< vn971> AI0867_: (what you described is basically upside down.:)
20170613 16:13:07< shadowm> It's not costly to maintain, it just takes up an extra slot in the preferences dialog and doesn't NEED to exist in the first place.
20170613 16:15:39< vn971> shadowm: about 2). It's not like I've used to one kind of picture and refuse to re-learn. It's that the sun in the real world that surrounds me always moves in a certain way.
20170613 16:15:57< shadowm> And again you're not looking at the real world.
20170613 16:16:36< shadowm> If you're going to insist on applying real world logic to game mechanics then you'll probably want to avoid playing UtBS and other campaigns based on its ToD schedule.
20170613 16:24:07< gfgtdf> Ravana_: online ?
20170613 16:27:09< vn971> shadowm: it'd be great if there would be no need for the setting. One way to do that, for example, would be to have graphics that don't rely on "left-right". But currently, the "second watch"/"first watch" and "morning"/"afternoon" differ mainly by left-right position.
20170613 16:28:42< shadowm> Or you could use the schedule progress counter that is to the right of the ToD picture.
20170613 16:28:46< vn971> shadowm: so I'm not saying something's wrong. But if wesnoth tries to look like "medieval Earth with magic", then some things are unnecessarily broken. Without any need to.
20170613 16:29:34< shadowm> Wesnoth is inspired by some aspects of medieval Earth, others are "unnecessarily broken" just like you said.
20170613 16:29:49< shadowm> *medieval Europe
20170613 16:30:24< vn971> shadowm: what other things are unnecessarily broken?
20170613 16:31:03< shadowm> Sociocultural stuff that I'm not willing to go into detail atm lest I end up turning the channel into a perssnal essay again.
20170613 16:31:06< vn971> shadowm: to me, wesnoth looks like a beatiful strategy game with weaponry of around medieval Europe (or whatever, but not modern) with magic added.
20170613 16:31:19< shadowm> *personal
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20170613 16:59:15< vn971> vultraz_iOS: understood. "~FL(horiz)" works, but only for new games. I hope it doesn't break online games.
20170613 17:01:29< vultraz_iOS> it won't
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20170613 17:35:12< gfgtdf> vultraz_iOS: in mp_create, any opinion on hiding the 'regenerate' and 'settings' random map options instead of justgreying them out if the current map is not a random map?
20170613 17:35:36< vultraz_iOS> it could be done easily
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20170613 18:09:18< gfgtdf> seen: celmin
20170613 18:19:04< irker045> wesnoth: Charles Dang wesnoth:accelerated_rendering 8084036f9e42 / src/play_controller.cpp: Fixed play_controller not joining current event context https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/8084036f9e42519609e3f478d8627e96d264edb1
20170613 18:19:07< irker045> wesnoth: Charles Dang wesnoth:accelerated_rendering 709fb0560b7c / src/units/drawer.cpp: Uint: fixed bad bar alpha on unit mouseover https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/709fb0560b7c3782cdcb76d4937e103fa9668077
20170613 18:19:10< irker045> wesnoth: Charles Dang wesnoth:accelerated_rendering fcce1985bdd6 / src/ (13 files in 4 dirs): Another huge chunk of progress https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/fcce1985bdd6a9617f28d51d83ba8cec77a1daf9
20170613 18:19:13< irker045> wesnoth: Charles Dang wesnoth:accelerated_rendering cc734a291760 / src/ (13 files in 4 dirs): Removed draw() calls into the display class https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/cc734a2917601b7c763905191f6f72cf71dff983
20170613 18:22:07< shadowm> How many times do you need to be told that there's no "seen" command anymore?
20170613 18:23:23< irker045> wesnoth: gfgtdf wesnoth:master 222a7ae220d6 / po/wesnoth-lib/de.po: Update de.po https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/222a7ae220d6927b63418fe1ad683c492ce41df1
20170613 18:25:49< irker045> wesnoth: gfgtdf wesnoth:master 96fecea66d30 / / (7 files in 4 dirs): make [resolution] window_width/height, the minimum required window size https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/96fecea66d30471e8145110ba09e290a7b332ac7
20170613 18:29:53< gfgtdf> loonycyborg: the jenking build fail to compile becaue it now needs a libcrypto
20170613 18:32:02< loonycyborg> seems I'll need to update deps archive
20170613 18:34:28< gfgtdf> loonycyborg: that'd be nice
20170613 18:37:35< gfgtdf> loonycyborg: please notify me when you did that.
20170613 18:37:42< loonycyborg> kk
20170613 19:01:22< gfgtdf> vultraz_iOS: how do i force a label maximum width (so that it ellipses at the end/middle) ?
20170613 19:01:52< vultraz_iOS> Uhhhh
20170613 19:02:11< gfgtdf> vultraz_iOS: also i notices that, when using max_charcters_per_line it often gernerates a secodn line weven when it doesn't need t
20170613 19:02:13< gfgtdf> to*
20170613 19:02:25< vultraz_iOS> Add wrap = false then
20170613 19:03:06< gfgtdf> vultraz_iOS: i doubt that works https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/blob/master/src/gui/widgets/label.cpp#L59
20170613 19:03:28< vultraz_iOS> I'm busy right now I'm sorry
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20170613 20:00:55< zookeeper> gfgtdf, eh, maybe you have an instant idea of this: would it be easy to let all ability tags have delayed_variable_substitution=yes|no (where yes would mean substitute at the time the ability is determined to be either active or inactive, or something)? that'd help fix the aforementioned substitution problems with ABILITY_TELEPORT and such.
20170613 20:01:22< zookeeper> because currently it seems rather unsolvable to me.
20170613 20:02:10< zookeeper> even putting delayed_variable_substitution=yes in your [object] isn't always an easy fix, since you might want to use immediately-substituted variables in filters (such as in vn971's example)
20170613 20:03:29< gfgtdf> zookeeper: hmm if you used [modify_unit] the filter goes outside the [object] i think ?
20170613 20:03:50< gfgtdf> not sure whether [modify_unit] object supports delayed_variable_substitution though
20170613 20:04:28< zookeeper> sure. but the problem is that you have ability macros which break when used in some otherwise perfectly ordinary contexts
20170613 20:05:49< zookeeper> it's just like ABILITY_FEEDING used to not work when given in an [object] (because it included events) and that was really icky and luckily that problem no longer exists
20170613 20:08:34< gfgtdf> zookeeper: if we somwhow make teleport_unit avaiable to lua/formula context (like wesnoth.current.event_context.telepoer_unit or similar) we could maybe move teleport filter to lua/formula 
20170613 20:09:09< zookeeper> you really like to solve everything with lua? :p
20170613 20:10:23< zookeeper> but sure, in this case it might be a good solution, maybe. the backstab and leadership macros are also affected, though.
20170613 20:12:26< gfgtdf> zookeeper: actuall e might not even need new c++ changes, since you can probably just use get_variable("teleport_unit.side")
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20170613 20:15:18< zookeeper> ohh, i got a perverted idea. i could give those ability macros an optional argument with which you can insert an extra | before all the $'s :P kidding, of course. that would be too awful to actually do.
20170613 20:19:40< zookeeper> also, i actually haven't even tried if just using $| instead of $ would break the normal usecases (for example in [unit_type]). probably it would.
20170613 20:20:33< gfgtdf> zookeeper: here is a potential working lua code https://pastebin.com/Yb1DfSd9
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20170613 20:21:10< gfgtdf> unteste though
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20170613 20:21:59< gfgtdf> zookeeper: for testign you can put the lua part of the code here https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/blob/master/data/core/_main.cfg#L11
20170613 20:22:11< zookeeper> sadly, i still can't compile master
20170613 20:22:49< gfgtdf> zookeeper: you can try with 1.13.8 since it doenst requite c++ changes
20170613 20:23:14< zookeeper> i guess...
20170613 20:24:18< moongazer> This game surprises me
20170613 20:24:31< gfgtdf> why that?
20170613 20:25:02< moongazer> gfgtdf, me?
20170613 20:25:15< gfgtdf> ye
20170613 20:26:31< moongazer> Oh...the way it's developed is so nice:)
20170613 20:33:01< gfgtdf> zookeeper: did you test it?
20170613 20:33:21< zookeeper> not yet
20170613 20:33:32< gfgtdf> ok i'll wait then
20170613 20:38:38< gfgtdf> I'll make a pr so that i won't forget this
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20170613 20:40:17< zookeeper> <zookeeper> https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/issues/1281 being the current issue for it
20170613 20:40:21< zookeeper> (in case you didn't notice)
20170613 20:40:35< gfgtdf> i didn't notice
20170613 20:40:37< zookeeper> anyways, i'm testing it with 1.13.8 now
20170613 20:40:47< gfgtdf> i made https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/pull/1791 to fix it
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20170613 20:41:22< zookeeper> just a bit unwieldy when i have a thousand files and windows and git logs open because i'm waiting on being able to compile again so i can work on a few code things i was in the middle of :p
20170613 20:41:54< gfgtdf> zookeeper: hmm ye i currently cannot compile eigher.
20170613 20:48:23< zookeeper> gfgtdf, seems to work (after replacing != with ~=)
20170613 20:49:31< gfgtdf> ok thy will fix that
20170613 20:51:45< irker045> wesnoth: gfgtdf wesnoth:master 80d27b458404 / data/ (core/_main.cfg core/macros/abilities.cfg lua/teleport_filter.lua): use lua filter in {ABILITY_TELEPORT} https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/80d27b4584042c47ddee2a272dd293791132695d
20170613 20:51:51< zookeeper> before merging maybe apply the same fix to leadership and backstab and add an explanation to the me... nevermind :p
20170613 20:56:29< gfgtdf> hmm ye i guess that coudlbe done aswell (leadership, didn't look at backstab yet)
20170613 20:58:37< zookeeper> it of course splits the code related to the abilities into two places, so maybe they can be somehow organized differently too
20170613 20:58:48< zookeeper> not sure how, though
20170613 21:00:26< zookeeper> maybe move the ability-related functions to a file in lua/, similar to lua/feeding.lua
20170613 21:00:56< zookeeper> ideally it'd be nice to contain the code physically within the ability macros, but AFAIK that can't be done in this case
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20170613 21:02:25< travis-ci> wesnoth/wesnoth#14220 (accelerated_rendering - cc734a2 : Charles Dang): The build is still failing.
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20170613 21:04:33< gfgtdf> i huess i'll usty copy the oldc++ backstab implementation lau lua for that
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20170613 21:23:40< irker045> wesnoth: gfgtdf wesnoth:master 70a23cdf83f0 / data/ (core/macros/abilities.cfg lua/teleport_filter.lua): remove variable substitution from leadership and backstab abilities https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/70a23cdf83f02337f7a8cc1b4ae9cf492e1acf86
20170613 21:23:43< gfgtdf> zookeeper: ^
20170613 21:25:31< zookeeper> i... guess that works?
20170613 21:29:22< gfgtdf> zookeeper:  i didn't test, but since the other one worked i think the chances are good
20170613 21:29:22< zookeeper> the backstab thing is pretty icky though, isn't there any way to do it in a more compact manner?
20170613 21:30:37< gfgtdf> zookeeper: i just copied the old c++ backstab code for that, i'ts not the like average wml dev will need to see theat code, so i don't theink that matters.
20170613 21:54:12< zookeeper> sure, but it's still very... heavy-handed compared to the old code
20170613 21:54:38< zookeeper> if it works then it's fine for now, although the lua file is now misleadingly named
20170613 22:02:19< irker045> wesnoth: Charles Dang wesnoth:accelerated_rendering b39e1256b25d / src/sdl/utils.cpp: Fixup https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/b39e1256b25d7237939c67518bee2e4f263776d0
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20170613 22:51:31< irker045> wesnoth: Charles Dang wesnoth:accelerated_rendering f01ffde1fe2f / src/sdl/window.cpp: Disable framebuffer acceleration as recommended (erase later) https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/f01ffde1fe2f1c729d669486a70b69d5202c99fe
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