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20170617 15:38:26< celmin> "could be scheduled for 1.14" - not if you want to release this year. :P
20170617 15:39:57< vultraz_iOS> Exactly
20170617 15:41:13< vultraz_iOS> That's why I'm attempting to gather data from players
20170617 15:41:31< celmin> Not sure I'd use the term data here, but sure.
20170617 15:41:58< vultraz_iOS> Have they experienced minor but acceptable performance decreases with 1.13, as has been in line with previous reports? Then we proceed as planned. 
20170617 15:42:29< vultraz_iOS> Have they experienced major slowdowns, especially with the animated water, as I have *also* heard at some points? Then we need to rethink some things :/
20170617 15:42:43< celmin> No need to rethink things if it's only with the water, surely?
20170617 15:42:49< celmin> Since that can be disabled.
20170617 15:43:01< vultraz_iOS> Also true.
20170617 15:43:06< vultraz_iOS> That's why I asked broad questions
20170617 15:43:10< vultraz_iOS> Not "can you play with animated water"
20170617 15:44:22< vultraz_iOS> Even I, with an i7, have lag when playing maps w/ water, including with scrolling.
20170617 15:45:06< celmin> I was getting lag in my campaign's first scenario. It does have water, but not a lot of it.
20170617 15:47:45< vultraz_iOS> I wouldn't be opposed to pushing back 1.14 even further if it meant we could merge a_r and improve people's games.
20170617 15:47:51< vultraz_iOS> Better a late release than a broken one.
20170617 15:48:03< vultraz_iOS> But that's only if it's a large issue
20170617 15:48:07< vultraz_iOS> For a lot of people.
20170617 15:50:09< vultraz_iOS> Plus, right now we have jyrki around, someone who actually knows and has experience with OGL.
20170617 15:50:21< vultraz_iOS> Do any other of us have experience with OGL?
20170617 15:57:11< celmin> I have a small amount, probably not enough to really get things done though.
20170617 15:58:17< vultraz_iOS> QED
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20170617 18:16:31< irker389> wesnoth: Charles Dang wesnoth:accelerated_rendering 0f4c2ded3f86 / src/ (gui/core/canvas.cpp gui/widgets/widget.cpp video.cpp): Removed software rendering fallback https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/0f4c2ded3f8624c95902ca66268237959b2c25df
20170617 18:16:31< irker389> wesnoth: Charles Dang wesnoth:accelerated_rendering 4515109fecb9 / src/gui/core/ (canvas.cpp canvas_private.hpp): GUI2/Canvas: refactor surface use out of image rendering https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/4515109fecb90a4301ac4a39b9a51f3c2ae60f3c
20170617 18:16:32< irker389> wesnoth: Charles Dang wesnoth:accelerated_rendering 2c650c17efe0 / src/image.cpp: Revert "Use move schematics to reduce copies when populating surface or texture  https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/2c650c17efe07046123e2d418716f252953f35f5
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20170617 18:56:31< travis-ci> wesnoth/wesnoth#14263 (accelerated_rendering - 2c650c1 : Charles Dang): The build is still failing.
20170617 18:56:31< travis-ci> Build details : https://travis-ci.org/wesnoth/wesnoth/builds/244038913
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20170617 19:32:59< irker389> wesnoth: Charles Dang wesnoth:accelerated_rendering 1af8a2f709cd / / (4 files in 3 dirs): Initial work on setting up an OpenGL context (nothing works yet) https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/1af8a2f709cdda813786ec59f8eec77276f7ccdd
20170617 19:45:17< celmin> Oh my.
20170617 19:45:48< celmin> Why GLEW_STATIC? Dunno if it matters though.
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20170617 19:56:02< irker389> wesnoth: loonycyborg wesnoth:master 48ed6e0c0557 / src/server/server.cpp: Fixed server incorrectly closing connection on hash error https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/48ed6e0c0557d6715cf235f801556ce528630216
20170617 19:59:51< vultraz_iOS> no idea
20170617 19:59:57< vultraz_iOS> The Tutorials Said So
20170617 20:13:07< celmin> I'm not even sure if we need GLEW at all.
20170617 20:13:20< celmin> I don't remember what GLEW even is.
20170617 20:14:42< loonycyborg> opengl extension wrangler
20170617 20:15:08< loonycyborg> library that allows you to access extensions higher than 1.1 on windows for example
20170617 20:15:28< loonycyborg> that doesn't include them in default headers
20170617 20:15:39< loonycyborg> requiring you to use extension mechanism
20170617 20:15:47< loonycyborg> glew automates this process
20170617 20:15:49< celmin> Ah.
20170617 20:15:56< celmin> Okay, I guess we do need GLEW then.
20170617 20:17:21< loonycyborg> afaik there exists newer alternative to it
20170617 20:18:10< loonycyborg> https://github.com/anholt/libepoxy
20170617 20:20:31< celmin> I'm also wondering if you should use compatibility instead of core?
20170617 20:21:36< vultraz_iOS> why?
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20170617 20:25:40< gfgtdf> celmin: are you still wokring on the forumla ability filters ?
20170617 20:25:53< celmin> Why do you ask?
20170617 20:26:21< celmin> I'm not at the moment, but I will be.
20170617 20:26:31< celmin> Later today or tomorrow.
20170617 20:26:46< gfgtdf> celmin: are you ging to add additional features to fomula for it ?
20170617 20:27:00< gfgtdf> in the c++ code i meant
20170617 20:27:08< celmin> Yes, that will be necessary.
20170617 20:27:30< celmin> And in the location filter too.
20170617 20:27:36< celmin> Probably.
20170617 20:27:51< celmin> (Need some way to access teleport_unit from a location formula.)
20170617 20:28:44< gfgtdf> celmin: ok
20170617 20:30:37< celmin> Why are you asking?
20170617 20:30:44< gfgtdf> celmin: i was thinking about hwo to add mor felxibility on the values of abilties /weapon specialy. Once i filed this bugreport , but i don't really like it anymore in that form.
20170617 20:30:48< gfgtdf> #1436
20170617 20:31:04< gfgtdf> so i'm now thinkong about what youl eb the best way to inject forumla lua there
20170617 20:31:22< gfgtdf> what would be the best way to inject formula/lua there
20170617 20:33:15< celmin> Oh, hmm.
20170617 20:33:16< gfgtdf> so my first thought was that i could just add value_formula, value_lua attributes to those tags (leadership, change_to_hit etc.). that'd be a lot of keys but it can be automated.
20170617 20:33:38< celmin> That's not a lot of keys?
20170617 20:35:16< gfgtdf> it's in all tags :p,  ... no what i mean it will alo apply to other keys that are handled the same way, for example [swarm] will then have min_value_lua, min_value_formula, max_value_lua, max_value_formula
20170617 20:35:59< celmin> Ohhh, I see.
20170617 20:36:05< celmin> That's not ideal, no...
20170617 20:37:07< gfgtdf> well looking at the docs  [swarm] is probably the oynl thigns that'll get more than 2 keys that way
20170617 20:37:17< gfgtdf> only tag that'll*
20170617 20:38:11< gfgtdf> hmm no [illuinames] also prduces 3 valies, value, min_value and max_value
20170617 20:39:40< gfgtdf> an alternative woudl be adding special values for those keys: like value="formula:<formual stuff>"
20170617 20:53:00< celmin> Ew.
20170617 20:53:17< celmin> But using typed_formula might be acceptable.
20170617 20:53:27< celmin> value="(formula)"
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20170617 21:03:45< gfgtdf> then i'd need 2 very differntsytexes for formula and lua.
20170617 21:07:41< celmin> gfgtdf: Yeah, but I don't think this is a problem. I don't even think we need to support Lua, but if we do, it seems pretty inevitable that it'd have to be a different syntax?
20170617 21:08:11< celmin> If you used the same function dispatch method as the filters, you could expect multiple return values, for example.
20170617 21:10:26< gfgtdf> why woudl i need multipel return values ?
20170617 21:11:13< celmin> eg min and max for swarm?
20170617 21:11:36< celmin> I don't really think it's worth supporting Lua here though...
20170617 21:11:47< celmin> But if you want to implement it, go for it, I guess.
20170617 21:16:22< gfgtdf> zookeeper: is it possible to have an iluminated filtered based onth eterrain it applies to ? e..g illuminating everythign except swamp for example ?
20170617 21:16:54< gfgtdf> s/onth eterrain/on the terrain 
20170617 21:21:17< zookeeper> uh, not sure
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20170617 21:22:30< zookeeper> gfgtdf, i guess it depends on whether illumination affects units or locations
20170617 21:22:40< zookeeper> but i guess it's locations
20170617 21:22:46< gfgtdf> zookeeper: locations i tihnk
20170617 21:23:34< zookeeper> so, yeah, probably not possible then.
20170617 21:24:41< zookeeper> worth a try though. maybe [affect_adjacent] will work, even if you still probably get the illumination overlay on ToD images of all adjacent locations.
20170617 21:26:39< gfgtdf> hmm ok
20170617 21:28:43< zookeeper> anyway, it would kind of make sense for [illuminates] to support a [filter_location] or something, but hard to say whether anyone's ever really needed it.
20170617 21:33:23< zookeeper> no idea whether there could be a performance problem, though. maybe not, but just thinking out loud.
20170617 21:41:18< gfgtdf> celmin: do you know why units/filter.cpp #includes units/formula_manager.hpp ? i cannot see it using unit_formula_manager
20170617 21:41:38< celmin> Pretty sure that was for the formula key.
20170617 21:41:47< celmin> But I might've reimplemented that to not use it.
20170617 21:42:18< gfgtdf> ok
20170617 21:42:27< celmin> What're you up to now?
20170617 21:42:49< celmin> I have pending changes in that area ATM.
20170617 21:43:21< gfgtdf> celmin: im onyl editorong units/abilities.cpp currently.
20170617 21:43:27< celmin> Ah, okay.
20170617 21:43:39< celmin> Don't think my changes touch that...
20170617 21:44:00< celmin> My changes are to terrain_callable and gamemap_callable.
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