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20170628 01:00:42< pydsigner> shadowm: there's so much documentation that's out of date :(
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20170628 01:45:30< celticminstrel> 7aa79c3 should probably be cherry-picked into master. Assuming of course that it works there, but it doesn't look like there'd be any problems.
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20170628 03:26:32< shadowm> pydsigner: Too bad that no-one can possibly help with fixing that!
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20170628 03:28:18< pydsigner> shadowm: not right now I can't
20170628 03:29:49< celticminstrel> Which documentation are we talking about?
20170628 03:30:04< celticminstrel> Wiki documentation of Lua/WML APIs? Documentation of GUI2? Source code documentation?
20170628 03:35:29< pydsigner> celticminstrel: shadowm pointed out earlier that the wiki still linked to Gna!
20170628 03:35:48< pydsigner> I'm thinking about things related to the license change
20170628 03:36:15< pydsigner> There's a UMC rules post in the forum that still states that GPL is mandantory
20170628 03:36:55< pydsigner> And I believe I saw another similarly problematic licensing text
20170628 03:38:41< pydsigner> Woah.
20170628 03:38:42< pydsigner> Wait.
20170628 03:38:43< pydsigner> What.
20170628 03:38:49< pydsigner> This is a big deal
20170628 03:40:56< pydsigner> > The code of Battle For Wesnoth is issued under the GNU General Public License (GPL), version 2 or later. By contributing code or content to the project, you agree for it to be distributed under GPL or whatever other open-source license the project maintainers choose in the future.
20170628 03:41:04< pydsigner> https://wiki.wesnoth.org/Wesnoth:Copyrights
20170628 03:45:46< pydsigner> Now that's interesting
20170628 03:48:00< celticminstrel>  :O
20170628 03:49:56< pydsigner> And that page hasn't been changed in 9 years
20170628 03:50:55< celticminstrel> On the other hand, it's not in a super-prominent place where you can't miss it...
20170628 03:51:11< pydsigner> No not particularly
20170628 03:51:39< pydsigner> It's linked in the FAQ about the game license
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20170628 04:02:31< pydsigner> Ugh StartingPoints still has Gna! stuff
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20170628 04:14:19< pydsigner> vultraz_iOS: did you see the above?
20170628 04:14:28< vultraz_iOS> hm?
20170628 04:14:31< pydsigner> https://wiki.wesnoth.org/Wesnoth:Copyrights
20170628 04:14:43< pydsigner> I have no idea what to do with this
20170628 04:16:46< vultraz_iOS> hmm
20170628 04:21:17< vultraz_iOS> rewrite
20170628 04:32:20< celticminstrel> I guess you missed pydsigner's key point.
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20170628 04:35:22< pydsigner> vultraz_iOS:
20170628 04:35:39< pydsigner> > The code of Battle For Wesnoth is issued under the GNU General Public License (GPL), version 2 or later. By contributing code or content to the project, you agree for it to be distributed under GPL or whatever other open-source license the project maintainers choose in the future.
20170628 04:38:12< vultraz_iOS> And...?
20170628 04:39:07< vultraz_iOS> Please just say what you're trying to say.
20170628 04:42:41< pydsigner> Does the Wesnoth Project have rights to relicense all content that has been contributed, or not?
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20170628 05:12:59< zookeeper> well of course _that wiki page_ doesn't give "rights to relicense all content that has been contributed"
20170628 05:15:48< vultraz_iOS> The company holds the trademark
20170628 05:16:07< vultraz_iOS> But as far as I know we cannot blanket-relicense 
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20170628 06:37:08< pydsigner> zookeeper: right, but it was written by ESR in 2008
20170628 06:37:37< pydsigner> So I'd assume he didn't just chuck it out there
20170628 06:37:52< pydsigner> Well, not just ESR
20170628 06:38:37< pydsigner> Is Aethaeryn still active?
20170628 06:40:44< vultraz_iOS> uhhh
20170628 06:41:48< pydsigner> Hrm.
20170628 06:41:56< pydsigner> No forum visits this year
20170628 06:43:00< pydsigner> This guy is a wiki mod so I'd expect people to know whether he's active or not...
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20170628 06:52:58< zookeeper> he's not active.
20170628 08:17:53< zookeeper> scorpling. apparently that's a word. would "Giant Scorpling" be a really lame name for a unit? :S
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20170628 10:36:02< vultraz_iOS> zookeeper: not really
20170628 10:55:38< pydsigner> zookeeper: A-B test with juvenile giant scorpion and baby giant scorpion
20170628 10:59:28< zookeeper> ...what?
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20170628 11:58:00< zookeeper> neat. i managed to get an infinite loop in the loading screen in the "building terrain rules" phase.
20170628 11:59:05< celticminstrel> Oh?
20170628 11:59:11< vultraz_iOS> some problem on the main thread
20170628 12:08:47< zookeeper> i managed to reproduce the idle_ai problem when i first tried it, but after that all my attempts fail -.-
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20170628 12:57:45 * celticminstrel kinda wants to know what people are talking about but unfortunately doesn't have time right now.
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20170628 13:04:48< irker265> wesnoth: Severin Glöckner wesnoth:master 8e7a65ec5f89 / doc/man/wesnoth.6: clarify manpage options for -e (extends bf49214) https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/8e7a65ec5f89a42814f989c3175ff4338bffd76c
20170628 13:14:29< sevu> zookeeper, that would fit the experience which I had with idle_ai in 1.13.6, maybe 1.13.5. 
20170628 13:16:11< zookeeper> what bugs me is that i don't know if it's something that can actually occur in master anymore. when i reproduced it that one time, i might have used 1.13.7 to manufacture the beginning-of-scenario save which then presumably had something wrong with it.
20170628 13:21:33< Ravana_> curious how petrified units can ambush
20170628 13:25:59< zookeeper> it's just simulating the unit getting knocked out when it runs straight into a statue it didn't see
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20170628 14:00:37< sevu> maybe ambush could just be inactive when the unit is petrified?
20170628 14:01:05< sevu> but running against the statue makes sense too
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20170628 15:20:31< zookeeper> vultraz_iOS, why did you do this? https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/682256ae
20170628 15:20:42< zookeeper> and i don't mean please repeat what the commit message says
20170628 15:22:09< zookeeper> as far as i can tell, you simply made the offsetting way worse
20170628 15:24:09< zookeeper> actually, Kwandulin ^
20170628 15:25:40< zookeeper> if there were "several pixel wide jumps between bob-laugh, attack-bob, basesprite-bob and bob-idle", then you shouldn't have offsetted the base frame/bob into a completely wrong place
20170628 15:29:17< Kwandulin> Dunno what you mean. The feet align between the animations
20170628 15:29:38< Kwandulin> Or do you mean that the whole set of sprites is some pixels too high/low?
20170628 15:29:55< zookeeper> of course
20170628 15:30:00< zookeeper> https://forums.wesnoth.org/download/file.php?id=76193&mode=view
20170628 15:30:10< zookeeper> anyway, i'll fix it since i have a fancy script for mass-offsetting
20170628 15:40:05< irker265> wesnoth: ln-zookeeper wesnoth:master 908237d9635d / data/core/images/units/dwarves/berserker/ (35 files): Corrected offsetting of Dwarvish Berserker frames https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/908237d9635def9f51f31b523ec9d4004c5786f2
20170628 15:40:41< Kwandulin> thanks
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20170628 16:05:39< DeFender1031> I've never heard of a Dwarf named "Bob" before... It's not really a dwarvish name.
20170628 16:07:43< zookeeper> you're mistaken, it's very common
20170628 16:07:54< zookeeper> every dwarvish campaign has at least one bob
20170628 16:08:54< DeFender1031> :P
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20170628 16:11:35< irker265> wesnoth: Severin Glöckner wesnoth:master 9ed38aab619c / data/core/macros/abilities.cfg: disallow submerge on bridges and rails https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/9ed38aab619cb66e5e8fa896496bb328172a77e9
20170628 16:15:05< irker265> wesnoth: Severin Glöckner wesnoth:master 6357025cc6e5 / data/core/units/humans/ (Outlaw_Assassin.cfg Outlaw_Rogue.cfg): renamed outlaw assassin's & rogue's weapon name to match the orcish assassin's o https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/6357025cc6e5b8802062ca22ef4ce8db63a9f3ef
20170628 16:15:51< zookeeper> submerge was still working on bridges? i seem to recall that having been discussed before
20170628 16:17:25< zookeeper> oh wait no, that was for the visual submerge feature.
20170628 16:17:53< zookeeper> sevu, so, uh, why did you disable submerge on bridges?
20170628 16:18:14< zookeeper> it doesn't make any more logical sense than enabling it
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20170628 16:19:03< sevu> because the unit actually stands on the bridge - it's not in the water
20170628 16:19:17< zookeeper> if that was true then mermen should have 2MP on bridges
20170628 16:19:28< zookeeper> and flat defense
20170628 16:19:46< sevu> skeletons do have better defense on bridges
20170628 16:19:52< zookeeper> yes
20170628 16:20:16< zookeeper> that's because skeletons get to decide whether they stand on the bridge or in the water below, as do mermen
20170628 16:20:38< zookeeper> hence the best-of-water-and-flat aliasing
20170628 16:21:43< zookeeper> yeah it doesn't make perfect visual sense that the unit is always drawn on top of the bridge, but gameplay-wise it's clear that a merman on a bridge is actually supposed to be in the water
20170628 16:22:02< sevu> makes sense ...
20170628 16:23:11< zookeeper> although, now i get what you meant about skeletons
20170628 16:23:35< zookeeper> they get to enjoy flat defense but also submerge, which kind of _doesn't_ make sense since they'd have to be both in the water and on the bridge at the same time
20170628 16:23:38< zookeeper> humm
20170628 16:24:28< pydsigner> zookeeper: scorpling means like a small or juvenile scorpion right?
20170628 16:24:46< zookeeper> yes
20170628 16:25:06< pydsigner> I don't particularly like giant scorpling but it's better than the alternatives
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20170628 16:28:39< DeFender1031> zookeeper, I think it still makes sense for them to get both. Basically, if there's no enemy near them, they hide in the deep water, and then ambush by climbing up onto the bridge when someone gets close.
20170628 16:29:21< sevu> On the other hand, the disadvantage may be rather that the unit is seen in the moment when it crosses the bridge in a move. It's just a bit strange to be ambushed on a bridge by submerge
20170628 16:29:50< DeFender1031> (That's actually a pretty cool/creepy image in my mind. A bunch of skeletons rising out of the depths to fight you on a bridge.)
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20170628 16:30:10< DeFender1031> sevu, I think that's kind of the point.
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20170628 16:30:33< DeFender1031> sevu, also, you could be ambushed on a bridge by submerge if they're standing next to the bridge too.
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20170628 16:37:00< zookeeper> yeah, i think the idea of the skeleton waiting in the water and then getting up to ambush the enemy is a good enough explanation, if one is desired.
20170628 16:37:19< DeFender1031> so, revert?
20170628 16:37:43< sevu> so... revert
20170628 16:37:52< zookeeper> if you take submerge on bridges away then that's a bit annoying because it's still deep water there and everyone else gets to enjoy whatever bonuses deep water gives them
20170628 16:38:48< zookeeper> sadly, you can't let your skeletons _stay_ in the water when a land unit crosses the bridge, but we just have to live with that :>
20170628 16:39:34< DeFender1031> zookeeper, well, that'd get into the whole "wesnoth doesn't easily lend itself to multi-level maps" thing.
20170628 16:39:43< zookeeper> of course
20170628 16:40:20< DeFender1031> I'd really love to have bridges and tunnels that don't always interact with each other, but sadly, the engine is just not even close to being there.
20170628 16:41:23< irker265> wesnoth: Severin Glöckner wesnoth:master 5da21fc8ef5f / data/core/macros/abilities.cfg: Revert "disallow submerge on bridges and rails" https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/5da21fc8ef5fcc5ca8a9dda45db14b5559a18538
20170628 16:41:28< zookeeper> well that's more of a design decision than a lack of capability
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20170628 17:26:26< irker265> wesnoth: Severin Glöckner wesnoth:master f3071815fc60 / data/core/units/humans/ (Outlaw_Assassin.cfg Outlaw_Rogue.cfg): fixup 6357025 https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/f3071815fc604d055d59858cfa46d13c048fdc01
20170628 17:26:28< irker265> wesnoth: Severin Glöckner wesnoth:master a31858124c4f / data/core/macros/abilities.cfg: removed inactive ability descriptions, since they are the same https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/a31858124c4fe4d3e83e733c4f614c76af6b78e7
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20170628 17:36:43< travis-ci> wesnoth/wesnoth#14372 (master - 908237d : ln-zookeeper): The build has errored.
20170628 17:36:43< travis-ci> Build details : https://travis-ci.org/wesnoth/wesnoth/builds/247993789
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20170628 17:48:03< zookeeper> sevu, i take it that you checked that the "knife" name wasn't relevant for any existing filters? i just checked it myself and it isn't, but i just want to make sure that you did (or were planning on doing so) too :p
20170628 17:48:20< zookeeper> because that's the kind of thing you need to check when you change those sorts of things
20170628 17:49:39< sevu> You mean greping the campaigns. I didn't ....
20170628 17:50:06< zookeeper> campaigns and multiplayer too
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20170628 17:51:23< zookeeper> i guess the whole data dir, really, seeing how there's a lot of test scenarios and whatnot outside of campaigns and multiplayer.
20170628 17:51:32< zookeeper> although i've probably often neglected that part myself
20170628 17:51:58< sevu> Alright, will remember that the next time
20170628 17:55:04< zookeeper> there can always be things like a filter for a campaign item effect or something that relies on assumptions about core units which those kinds of changes could break
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20170628 20:00:32< Ravana_> is it possible to interrupt get_global_variable - when target side refuses to send variable?
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20170628 21:10:32< vultraz_iOS> wait you can pass a custom comparator to std::map? P_P
20170628 21:10:36< vultraz_iOS> whaaaa
20170628 21:33:33< loonycyborg> Wouldn't it be redundant?
20170628 21:33:42< loonycyborg> since you can just overload operator< :P
20170628 21:35:50< loonycyborg> but you indeed can do that
20170628 21:35:55< loonycyborg> it takes a comparator arg
20170628 21:36:02< loonycyborg> by defualt it's std::less<Key>
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