--- Log opened Fri Jun 16 00:00:01 2017 20170616 00:00:58-!- ancientcc [~ancientcc@47.90.67.72] has joined #wesnoth 20170616 00:01:22-!- ancientcc [~ancientcc@47.90.67.72] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20170616 00:12:02< wesnoth-discord-> Th-the git repo is 1gb big? 20170616 00:12:56< wesnoth-discord-> It has art 20170616 00:13:07< wesnoth-discord-> Still fairly huge 20170616 00:13:32-!- ancientcc [~ancientcc@47.90.67.72] has joined #wesnoth 20170616 00:13:38< wesnoth-discord-> I know it's compressed, but downloading the source from the site is <400mb 20170616 00:22:24< sevu> @Ieuan, it's 3gb. but you can clone with depth=1 20170616 00:23:23< wesnoth-discord-> eek 20170616 00:23:42< wesnoth-discord-> Half way through the clone now, but I'll bare that in mind for the future, ta 20170616 00:29:22-!- ancientcc [~ancientcc@47.90.67.72] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20170616 00:32:17-!- ancientcc [~ancientcc@47.90.67.72] has joined #wesnoth 20170616 00:33:12-!- ancientcc [~ancientcc@47.90.67.72] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20170616 00:36:41-!- ancientcc [~ancientcc@47.90.67.72] has joined #wesnoth 20170616 00:37:26-!- ancientcc [~ancientcc@47.90.67.72] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20170616 00:47:07-!- ancientcc [~ancientcc@47.90.67.72] has joined #wesnoth 20170616 00:47:43-!- ancientcc [~ancientcc@47.90.67.72] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20170616 00:56:41-!- ancientcc [~ancientcc@47.90.67.72] has joined #wesnoth 20170616 00:57:03-!- ancientcc [~ancientcc@47.90.67.72] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20170616 01:01:48-!- celticminstrel [~celmin@unaffiliated/celticminstrel] has joined #wesnoth 20170616 01:04:10-!- ancientcc [~ancientcc@47.90.67.72] has joined #wesnoth 20170616 01:04:18-!- ancientcc [~ancientcc@47.90.67.72] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20170616 01:07:56-!- ancientcc [~ancientcc@47.90.67.72] has joined #wesnoth 20170616 01:08:34-!- ancientcc [~ancientcc@47.90.67.72] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20170616 01:12:46< wesnoth-discord-> @pydsigner if you're interested: https://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=46433&p=614243#p614243 20170616 01:16:06-!- sevu [~Shiki@p54855C0C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 20170616 01:22:06< celticminstrel> ... "ladder" / "fodder" instead of "latter" / "former" ... o.o 20170616 01:37:18-!- ancientcc [~ancientcc@47.90.67.72] has joined #wesnoth 20170616 01:37:20-!- ancientcc [~ancientcc@47.90.67.72] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20170616 01:43:06-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20170616 01:43:12-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth 20170616 02:03:17-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20170616 02:03:23-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth 20170616 02:09:25-!- ancientcc [~ancientcc@47.90.67.72] has joined #wesnoth 20170616 02:10:21-!- ancientcc [~ancientcc@47.90.67.72] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20170616 02:16:34-!- ancientcc [~ancientcc@47.90.67.72] has joined #wesnoth 20170616 02:19:19-!- ancientcc [~ancientcc@47.90.67.72] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20170616 02:31:37-!- ancientcc [~ancientcc@47.90.67.72] has joined #wesnoth 20170616 02:32:30-!- ancientcc [~ancientcc@47.90.67.72] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20170616 02:37:22-!- ancientcc [~ancientcc@47.90.67.72] has joined #wesnoth 20170616 02:38:51-!- ancientcc [~ancientcc@47.90.67.72] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20170616 02:45:11-!- ancientcc [~ancientcc@47.90.67.72] has joined #wesnoth 20170616 02:52:21-!- ancientcc [~ancientcc@47.90.67.72] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20170616 02:56:55-!- ArneBab [~quassel@freenet/developer/arnebab] has joined #wesnoth 20170616 03:01:07-!- ArneBab_ [~quassel@freenet/developer/arnebab] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20170616 03:02:47-!- ancientcc [~ancientcc@47.90.67.72] has joined #wesnoth 20170616 03:03:11-!- ancientcc [~ancientcc@47.90.67.72] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20170616 03:07:02-!- ancientcc [~ancientcc@47.90.67.72] has joined #wesnoth 20170616 03:08:27-!- ancientcc [~ancientcc@47.90.67.72] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20170616 03:11:42-!- ancientcc [~ancientcc@47.90.67.72] has joined #wesnoth 20170616 03:12:05-!- ancientcc [~ancientcc@47.90.67.72] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20170616 03:16:12-!- ancientcc [~ancientcc@47.90.67.72] has joined #wesnoth 20170616 03:22:04-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20170616 03:22:10-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth 20170616 03:25:32-!- ancientcc [~ancientcc@47.90.67.72] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20170616 03:27:45-!- ancientcc [~ancientcc@47.90.67.72] has joined #wesnoth 20170616 03:28:07-!- ancientcc [~ancientcc@47.90.67.72] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20170616 03:42:31-!- ancientcc [~ancientcc@47.90.67.72] has joined #wesnoth 20170616 03:43:31-!- ancientcc [~ancientcc@47.90.67.72] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20170616 04:08:00-!- celticminstrel [~celmin@unaffiliated/celticminstrel] has quit [Quit: And lo! The computer falls into a deep sleep, to awake again some other day!] 20170616 04:21:42-!- ancientcc [~ancientcc@47.90.67.72] has joined #wesnoth 20170616 04:21:53-!- ancientcc [~ancientcc@47.90.67.72] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20170616 04:29:42-!- ancientcc [~ancientcc@47.90.67.72] has joined #wesnoth 20170616 04:30:22-!- ancientcc [~ancientcc@47.90.67.72] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20170616 05:45:55-!- Kwandulin [~Kwandulin@p200300760F7CBAB249B59B4AEF73D15A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #wesnoth 20170616 05:58:22-!- moongazer [~moongazer@117.198.75.170] has joined #wesnoth 20170616 06:02:55-!- ancientcc [~ancientcc@112.64.217.89] has joined #wesnoth 20170616 06:03:47-!- ancientcc [~ancientcc@112.64.217.89] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20170616 06:36:17-!- Vorpal [~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20170616 07:03:28< wesnoth-discord-> @Vultraz Dwemer did not have spaceships, Imperials and Nazi Elves did 20170616 07:06:53< wesnoth-discord-> Anyway. Rise of Wesnoth had good "lore" in fitting, concise presentation that did not make it feel like baggage 20170616 07:08:10< wesnoth-discord-> Perhaps one "lore" issue with Wesnoth is year numbers? I'm pretty sure year numbers only ever mean anything to campaign developers 20170616 07:09:30< wesnoth-discord-> If the player had a constant strong sense of what happened at what year, then they would have greatly increased intuition for the setting 20170616 07:17:54-!- universecoder [~moongazer@117.198.91.111] has joined #wesnoth 20170616 07:20:30-!- moongazer [~moongazer@117.198.75.170] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20170616 07:22:55-!- zookeeper [zookeeper@wesnoth/developer/zookeeper] has joined #wesnoth 20170616 07:37:32< wesnoth-discord-> Rise of Wesnoth indeed has good lore 20170616 07:38:04-!- ancientcc [~ancientcc@112.64.217.89] has joined #wesnoth 20170616 07:40:13-!- ancientcc [~ancientcc@112.64.217.89] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20170616 07:46:24-!- universecoder [~moongazer@117.198.91.111] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20170616 07:52:50-!- moongazer [~moongazer@117.198.91.111] has joined #wesnoth 20170616 08:06:30-!- ancientcc [~ancientcc@112.64.217.89] has joined #wesnoth 20170616 08:07:03-!- ancientcc [~ancientcc@112.64.217.89] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20170616 08:18:52-!- moongazer [~moongazer@117.198.91.111] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20170616 08:18:56-!- ancientcc [~ancientcc@112.64.216.89] has joined #wesnoth 20170616 08:19:44-!- ancientcc [~ancientcc@112.64.216.89] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20170616 08:42:13-!- ancientcc [~ancientcc@112.64.216.89] has joined #wesnoth 20170616 08:43:24-!- ancientcc [~ancientcc@112.64.216.89] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20170616 08:44:03< wesnoth-discord-> @celticminstrel corrected it. English is still not my best language. @blarumyrran nazi elves? o_O You mean campaigns should mention dates and years more often (correctly, of course)? Do we have special day names for monday, tuesday...? 20170616 09:00:06-!- Kranix [~magnus@x1-6-74-44-01-e4-f1-52.cpe.webspeed.dk] has joined #wesnoth 20170616 09:01:37-!- ancientcc [~ancientcc@112.64.216.89] has joined #wesnoth 20170616 09:01:41-!- ancientcc [~ancientcc@112.64.216.89] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20170616 10:03:33< wesnoth-discord-> @Bitron he probably means the Thalmor 20170616 10:03:42< wesnoth-discord-> (also why are there 3 bitrons o_o ) 20170616 10:06:53< wesnoth-discord-> @Vultraz I have no clue. Maybe because I logged in from different browsers a few times. 20170616 10:10:01< wesnoth-discord-> I removed them. 20170616 10:12:16< wesnoth-discord-> sweet πŸ˜ƒ 20170616 10:43:40-!- Kwandulin [~Kwandulin@p200300760F7CBAB249B59B4AEF73D15A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20170616 11:16:16-!- Kwandulin [~Kwandulin@p200300760F7CBAB275E2FF88111E3B14.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #wesnoth 20170616 11:26:06-!- clavi [~clavi@v22017034422546657.goodsrv.de] has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in] 20170616 11:30:56-!- clavi [~clavi@v22017034422546657.goodsrv.de] has joined #wesnoth 20170616 11:39:46< wesnoth-discord-> I wonder why uploadable addons are last in list not first 20170616 11:40:14< wesnoth-discord-> That will change in 1.14 anyways. 20170616 11:40:18< wesnoth-discord-> As of 1.13.9, the list will be sorted by name by default. 20170616 11:40:55< wesnoth-discord-> so need to separately search of own addons? 20170616 11:41:10< wesnoth-discord-> You should know their names, you know. πŸ˜‰ 20170616 11:42:03< wesnoth-discord-> It would be possible to have your own addons in the beginning, but it would again be more effort for us. (Not much, though.) 20170616 11:43:00< wesnoth-discord-> You can set the filter to "installed", I think that should do the job. 20170616 11:49:40< DoctorFender1031> Not entirely. An add-on dev could have a bunch of other add-ons installed as well. 20170616 12:08:49-!- wario [~wario_@unaffiliated/wario] has joined #wesnoth 20170616 12:22:24< wesnoth-discord-> Sure, but the search will still be much easier. 20170616 12:24:14-!- ancientcc [~ancientcc@112.64.216.91] has joined #wesnoth 20170616 12:30:30-!- ancientcc [~ancientcc@112.64.216.91] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20170616 12:31:15-!- ancientcc [~ancientcc@112.64.217.91] has joined #wesnoth 20170616 12:31:21-!- ancientcc [~ancientcc@112.64.217.91] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20170616 12:36:14-!- ancientcc [~ancientcc@112.64.217.91] has joined #wesnoth 20170616 12:36:38-!- ancientcc [~ancientcc@112.64.217.91] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20170616 12:38:06-!- Vadatajs [~Vadatajs@75-167-205-33.cdrr.qwest.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20170616 12:50:54-!- celticminstrel [~celmin@unaffiliated/celticminstrel] has joined #wesnoth 20170616 12:52:28-!- celticminstrel [~celmin@unaffiliated/celticminstrel] has quit [Client Quit] 20170616 13:04:01< wesnoth-discord-> is there any kind of "Wesnoth Lore Director"? 20170616 13:11:56-!- ancientcc [~ancientcc@112.64.217.91] has joined #wesnoth 20170616 13:16:43-!- ancientcc [~ancientcc@112.64.217.91] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20170616 13:19:31-!- NightCameAtLast [~NightCame@host217-43-134-55.range217-43.btcentralplus.com] has joined #wesnoth 20170616 13:22:22-!- ancientcc [~ancientcc@112.64.216.91] has joined #wesnoth 20170616 13:22:44-!- ancientcc [~ancientcc@112.64.216.91] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20170616 13:28:14-!- clavi [~clavi@v22017034422546657.goodsrv.de] has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in] 20170616 13:29:04< zookeeper> @Bitron, officially no, but usually i can consult on lore issues. and no i haven't yet checked all those kapou'e-related dates, but i don't see any particular reason why karun's birth/age/etc couldn't be moved forward quite a bit if necessary, as very little if anything seems to depend on those (whether in mainline or UMC). 20170616 13:29:04-!- wesnoth-discord- [~wesnoth-d@baldras.wesnoth.org] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20170616 13:29:13-!- wesnoth-discord- [~wesnoth-d@baldras.wesnoth.org] has joined #wesnoth 20170616 13:31:30-!- vultraz_iOS [uid24821@wesnoth/developer/vultraz] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 20170616 13:33:12-!- clavi [~clavi@v22017034422546657.goodsrv.de] has joined #wesnoth 20170616 13:36:09< zookeeper> i'd imagine that if you're an orc and past 50, then you're either a legendary warlord who's really good at spotting assassins, or a shaman, or a hermit. speaking of which, a solitary crazy hermit orc is something i don't recall seeing before, might make for a good character idea. :J 20170616 13:38:22< wesnoth-discord-> I'd think that both Karun and Kapou'e could be such a "legendary warlord who's really good at spotting assassins". 20170616 13:38:34< zookeeper> sure 20170616 13:39:54< wesnoth-discord-> And I do like that idea of a crazy hermit orc. ^^ 20170616 13:41:07< zookeeper> i wonder whether most self-respecting orc would actually try to _avoid_ death by natural means. as in, if you're old and getting sick and not being of much use to anyone anymore, then you'd be inclined to go into battle anyway and try to die as epically as possible. 20170616 13:41:57< DoctorFender1031> Like klingons... 20170616 13:42:40< DoctorFender1031> Come to think of it, there do seem to be a lot of similarities there... 20170616 13:43:08< zookeeper> i mean, in some primitive cultures old people might just leave and wander into the wilderness to die, and orcs might do the same except through combat. 20170616 13:43:36< zookeeper> (which isn't exactly an uncommon trope at all) 20170616 13:43:50< elias> and romulans are elves 20170616 13:44:02< zookeeper> no, minbari are elves. oh, wait... 20170616 13:44:37< DoctorFender1031> hahahaha 20170616 13:45:04< DoctorFender1031> zookeeper, I say that all the time. 20170616 13:45:34< zookeeper> well, every setting needs a stand-in for elves :p 20170616 13:45:43< DoctorFender1031> Also, kudos for being familiar with B5. 20170616 13:45:43< zookeeper> ...and dwarves, and orcs, and... 20170616 13:46:14< DoctorFender1031> well... the narns are kind of orc-like, but who are the dwarves? 20170616 13:46:34< zookeeper> i'd say centauri 20170616 13:46:41< zookeeper> not physically, but otherwise 20170616 13:47:25< DoctorFender1031> perhaps in the idea of mourning their lost glory days, but not in terms of their manner or attitude in general. 20170616 13:47:45< zookeeper> they drink a lot and are kind of obnoxious? :> or maybe that was just londo 20170616 13:48:10< wesnoth-discord-> @Bitron The shape of wesnoth lore directoring goes something like this: * dave laid the basics and HttT, I don't think he's cared much about the setting since the early days * fmunoz (artist) in the early days pushed wesnoth setting towards final fantasy * turin (campaign maker) in the early days pushed wesnoth setting towards lotr * neoriceisgood made drakes, but strangely they've had very little impact on wesnoth setting, 20170616 13:48:11< wesnoth-discord-> both in terms of the tone of the setting and content particular to them * zookeeper managed and manages geography * someone? made UtBS which drastically expanded what the Wesnoth setting is about (in a jrpgish way that I do not like >_>) * shadowmaster made UMC sequels to UtBS that became popular enough to make the UtBS parts of Wesnoth more important * esr decided that the world of wesnoth needs a name and it should be "Irdya" 😐 * 20170616 13:48:11< wesnoth-discord-> jetrel has decided a lot of things too, probably * kitty tried to make writing systems for the various cultures and other lorey calls but it didn't catch on; she may have been too serious and invested for all the silliness in the wesnoth setting * noy tried to bring caliphate mainline, which would be a major change in the tone of Wesnoth setting, as it is very strictly copied from a real life culture (contrasting to Loyalists, who are 20170616 13:48:12< wesnoth-discord-> JRPG's idea of generic medieval europeans), with untranslateable names from that culture and all, but he quit Wesnoth and it was his pet project so it is unlikely to take a real place in the Wesnoth setting so it should be fair to say there is no Lore Director 20170616 13:48:17< DoctorFender1031> just londo. most of them are subtle and crafty... lots of dark political intruigue... 20170616 13:48:29< DoctorFender1031> not very dwarf-like at all. 20170616 13:49:36< zookeeper> what's sad is that you can't really show B5 to people anymore if they didn't see in back then, because it just hasn't aged that well. 20170616 13:49:49< DoctorFender1031> @blarumyrran, I too am not entirely fond of UtBS et. al, though they have grown on me somewhat. 20170616 13:50:19< DoctorFender1031> zookeeper, not sure I agree. In fact, I have a friend who just watched it for the first time and he basically thinks it's like the best thing ever. 20170616 13:50:40< wesnoth-discord-> Well, the Khalifate did end up becoming mainline despite their name, so it's not really "tried" anymore. 20170616 13:50:43< DoctorFender1031> zookeeper, also, I'm a bit biased, because I literally, with no exaggeration, owe my marriage to B5. 20170616 13:50:45< wesnoth-discord-> I watched Babylon 5 for the first time a year ago and it was horrible in all ways 20170616 13:51:00< wesnoth-discord-> The acting is atrocious for one - compare it eg to the new BSG 20170616 13:51:07< zookeeper> DoctorFender1031, well, okay, you can show it to people who are very predisposed to like it for whatever reason. 20170616 13:51:24< loonycyborg> B5 has rather slow start 20170616 13:51:25< wesnoth-discord-> None of the people in B5 feel like they could possibly be in their occupations in reality 20170616 13:51:51< loonycyborg> the coolest stuff happens in later seasons :P 20170616 13:52:09< loonycyborg> While I found BSG outright boring in comparison 20170616 13:52:12< wesnoth-discord-> they are all like, cool 80s kids who smile into the camera in a cool way 20170616 13:52:12< DoctorFender1031> seasons 2-4 are the best 20170616 13:52:20< zookeeper> yeah, bad CGI in the early seasons is one thing but really the acting is... kind of very cheesy a lot of the time. but that's fine, in my memories i get to cherry-pick all the bad things away. 20170616 13:52:59< DoctorFender1031> s1 was a little stilted, and s5 was very slow owing to them thinking it was being canceled after 4, rushing to tie everything up, and then getting renewed last-minute and having nothing to fill it with. 20170616 13:55:15< zookeeper> still, at least B5 had a properly thought-out main plotline, which for example BSG clearly did not. i appreciate shows which have an overarching plotline. 20170616 14:01:13< loonycyborg> yes, the main griipe with BSG I had is that their plotline somehow managed to totally break my willing suspension of disbelief 20170616 14:03:58-!- Kwandulin [~Kwandulin@p200300760F7CBAB275E2FF88111E3B14.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20170616 14:04:56< Bonobo> and the ending of BSG was such a kick in the guts 20170616 14:05:13< Bonobo> at least, the 2000s series 20170616 14:09:18-!- ancientcc [~ancientcc@112.64.216.91] has joined #wesnoth 20170616 14:09:46-!- ancientcc [~ancientcc@112.64.216.91] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20170616 14:13:25-!- ancientcc [~ancientcc@112.64.216.91] has joined #wesnoth 20170616 14:17:05-!- ancientcc [~ancientcc@112.64.216.91] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20170616 14:19:02< zookeeper> yes :| 20170616 14:19:16-!- moongazer [~moongazer@117.198.80.87] has joined #wesnoth 20170616 14:19:29< zookeeper> the ending was what retroactively ruined the whole show. 20170616 14:23:01< zookeeper> if it had had an actually good ending, then my impression of the whole thing would have been "on average, very good, with some minor'ish problems". but now it's just "lots of good things which end up becoming garbage". 20170616 14:26:39-!- ancientcc [~ancientcc@112.64.216.91] has joined #wesnoth 20170616 14:27:28-!- ancientcc [~ancientcc@112.64.216.91] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20170616 14:32:29-!- ancientcc [~ancientcc@112.64.217.91] has joined #wesnoth 20170616 14:33:06-!- ancientcc [~ancientcc@112.64.217.91] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20170616 14:38:46< wesnoth-discord-> @Bitron back to SotBE, we know that there was a 15 year war between Karun and the NA 20170616 14:39:28-!- ancientcc [~ancientcc@112.64.217.91] has joined #wesnoth 20170616 14:39:29< wesnoth-discord-> It's shortly after this that Karun is killed 20170616 14:40:46-!- ancientcc [~ancientcc@112.64.217.91] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20170616 14:41:20< wesnoth-discord-> An un-specified amount of time passes between the death of Karun and the succession of Howgarth III 20170616 14:42:02< wesnoth-discord-> Then 13 years pass before tensions start to arise 20170616 14:42:46< wesnoth-discord-> Perhaps a year later, SotBE S1 begins. 20170616 14:45:02< wesnoth-discord-> The wiki puts the time between the death of Karun and Howgarth's succession at 13 years 20170616 14:45:21< wesnoth-discord-> Was just about to say that. 20170616 14:45:52-!- THERetroGamerNY [THERetroGa@pool-68-133-48-135.bflony.fios.verizon.net] has joined #wesnoth 20170616 14:46:27< wesnoth-discord-> I think the wiki timeline might demand some revision, however. 20170616 14:47:54< wesnoth-discord-> Putting Kapou'e's age at 35 minimum is crazy 20170616 14:47:58< wesnoth-discord-> that's what I'd suggest so far. (copied from the topic in the forums) ```762 YW - Karun was born 778 YW - Legacy of Karun begins, Karun is 16 years old 810 YW - Kapou'e was born, Karun is 48 years old (sounds like an orcish Walder Frey, uhh...) 816 YW - Karun dies, Kapou'e is 6 years old 842 YW - Kapou'e claims leadership, SotBE begins, Most of the other children of Karun are either dead, or goblins. Kapou'e is 32 years old 852 20170616 14:47:59< wesnoth-discord-> YW - elvlish invasion 858 YW - human invasion, SotBE ends, Kapou'e is 48 years old - couple more years of reign and Kapou'e dies a natural death (edit: or chosen, by combat) at high age. I'd suggest end of fiftith (56-59), so between 866 and 869 YW``` 20170616 14:49:20< wesnoth-discord-> I'll put my own suggestion in the thread when I'm home again 20170616 14:51:36< wesnoth-discord-> But I don't think it makes sense for Karun to be 54 when he's assassinated 20170616 14:53:12< wesnoth-discord-> I'd like him to be younger when he dies, tbh, but I dont want to make the changes too big. But well, maybe we have to. 20170616 14:54:28< wesnoth-discord-> See the thing is, the wiki is just someone's extrapolation of the​ campaign 20170616 14:54:50< wesnoth-discord-> And nothing else in mainline depends on any of the dates 20170616 14:55:06< wesnoth-discord-> So there's a lot of wiggle room 20170616 14:56:11< wesnoth-discord-> Well, okay. I'll have some more thought on that than, but will wait for your suggestions first. 20170616 14:56:36< wesnoth-discord-> But I imagine Karun gathering a small group around 20, and slowly building up his power before his death at 40. 20170616 15:01:09< wesnoth-discord-> so from 816 YW 20 years backwards would be 796 YW as the beginning Karun's legacy, with him born in 776 YW. When anything else would stay as suggested, Kapou'e would be born when Karun is 34 years old. Not that much of Walder Frey anymore. 20170616 15:03:20-!- Bonobo [~Bonobo@61.68.170.86] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20170616 15:12:54< wesnoth-discord-> I'd like for this discussion to result in a piece pulled from the Northern Alliance archives 20170616 15:14:40< wesnoth-discord-> Say, an excerpt from Augimar's *Lives of Orcish Rulers*, YW 822 20170616 15:15:42< wesnoth-discord-> I'm afraid I didn't catch that. You have a link or something? 20170616 15:16:06-!- Kwandulin [~Kwandulin@p200300760F7CBAB275E2FF88111E3B14.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #wesnoth 20170616 15:16:12< wesnoth-discord-> Hmm? 20170616 15:16:28< wesnoth-discord-> A link to what? 20170616 15:17:06< wesnoth-discord-> *Lives of the Orcish Rulers, YW 822* 20170616 15:17:31< wesnoth-discord-> It doesn't exist yet, but it needs to 20170616 15:17:38< wesnoth-discord-> Oh, I see. 20170616 15:18:06< wesnoth-discord-> Also YW 822 would just be the publication date 20170616 15:18:11< wesnoth-discord-> Not part of the title 20170616 15:19:09< wesnoth-discord-> Compare a bunch of things from the tips box though: 20170616 15:20:15< wesnoth-discord-> "Haldric II, 42YW, Handbook of Tactical Analysis: Volume I' 20170616 15:21:09< wesnoth-discord-> "Memoirs of Gweddry, 626YW" 20170616 15:27:44-!- THERetroGamerNY [THERetroGa@pool-68-133-48-135.bflony.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Be Blessed!] 20170616 15:28:36< wesnoth-discord-> As a piece of history, or strategical advice for players? btw, any name suggestions for the son of Kapou'e and successor of his legacy? ^^ 20170616 15:36:27-!- THERetroGamerNY [THERetroGa@pool-68-133-48-135.bflony.fios.verizon.net] has joined #wesnoth 20170616 15:41:28-!- Kwandulin [~Kwandulin@p200300760F7CBAB275E2FF88111E3B14.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20170616 15:44:12-!- Kwandulin [~Kwandulin@p200300760F7CBAB275E2FF88111E3B14.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #wesnoth 20170616 15:47:04< wesnoth-discord-> @pydsigner I've edited my last post in the thread, now with an alternative part of the timeline, concidering your suggestions mentionet earlier as well. Still don't quite what you mean by that ```I'd like for this discussion to result in a piece pulled from the Northern Alliance archives``` 20170616 15:51:41-!- sevu [~Shiki@p54856029.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #wesnoth 20170616 15:58:18< wesnoth-discord-> I think it's unlikely that Kapou'e's son succeeds him 20170616 15:58:53< wesnoth-discord-> What I mean is that I'd like to write a piece of in-universe history 20170616 16:00:00-!- THERetroGamerNY [THERetroGa@pool-68-133-48-135.bflony.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Be Blessed!] 20170616 16:02:07< wesnoth-discord-> Well he could try it, but I'd agree that he probably would fail. Well, what stops you from doing so? :P 20170616 16:06:54< wesnoth-discord-> I'm at work right now heh 20170616 16:07:18-!- sevu [~Shiki@p54856029.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20170616 16:07:28< wesnoth-discord-> But also, I would like it to be official lore 20170616 16:07:45< wesnoth-discord-> So I'm not going to just pump something out solo 20170616 16:09:56< wesnoth-discord-> The campaign ideas are what I'm really trying to suppress haha 20170616 16:10:49-!- metronomicon [~metronomi@2a02:587:a23:2b00:c9f1:1276:79d6:cf6] has quit [Quit: leaving] 20170616 16:12:30< wesnoth-discord-> which ones? 20170616 16:12:50-!- DoctorFender1031 [~DeFender1@89-138-182-62.bb.netvision.net.il] has quit [Quit: I'm not back now.] 20170616 16:15:56-!- NightCameAtLast_ [~NightCame@host217-43-134-55.range217-43.btcentralplus.com] has joined #wesnoth 20170616 16:16:14-!- NightCameAtLast [~NightCame@host217-43-134-55.range217-43.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20170616 16:16:21-!- NightCameAtLast_ is now known as NightCameAtLast 20170616 16:16:21< wesnoth-discord-> "Black Eye Karun" and "Augimar of the Orcs" 20170616 16:18:06< wesnoth-discord-> The latter consisting of disjoint scenarios of Orcish history as retold by orcs that Augimar interviews for his book 20170616 16:19:38< wesnoth-discord-> Does Augimar exist yet? 20170616 16:19:53< wesnoth-discord-> Augimar only exists here 20170616 16:20:21< wesnoth-discord-> A loremaster tasked by the NA to compile an Orcish history 20170616 16:20:47-!- moongazer [~moongazer@117.198.80.87] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20170616 16:22:34< wesnoth-discord-> I wish Whiskeyjack was here 20170616 16:23:02< wesnoth-discord-> I feel like he'd be a good person to add to our discussions 20170616 16:38:53< wesnoth-discord-> I want to clarify that ESR decided that Wesnoth's world needed a name for a UMC project we were planning, and I proposed Irdya because at the time I was using a similarly-spelled name in IftU. 20170616 16:39:35< wesnoth-discord-> The bogus spelling I gave him got his approval and that's how Irdya was born. Literally. 20170616 16:40:06< wesnoth-discord-> Does anyone else pronounce it "Iridia"? 20170616 16:40:36< wesnoth-discord-> I realize that's probably wrong, but it took me too long to realize 20170616 16:42:15< wesnoth-discord-> I pronounce it Ir-de-ah (with a /Ιͺ/ sound at the start like "iridescent"). 20170616 16:42:56-!- moongazer [~moongazer@117.198.80.87] has joined #wesnoth 20170616 16:44:01-!- Kwandulin [~Kwandulin@p200300760F7CBAB275E2FF88111E3B14.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20170616 16:45:19< wesnoth-discord-> The original name in IftU scenario 9 was "Irya". 20170616 16:45:48< wesnoth-discord-> That's what I figured the correct pronunciation was 20170616 17:12:02-!- vultraz_iOS [uid24821@wesnoth/developer/vultraz] has joined #wesnoth 20170616 17:13:48-!- cc___ [~ac@2001:910:113f:1:6a05:caff:fe1c:1627] has joined #wesnoth 20170616 17:23:36-!- NightCameAtLast [~NightCame@host217-43-134-55.range217-43.btcentralplus.com] has left #wesnoth ["Closing Window"] 20170616 17:25:19-!- Kwandulin [~Kwandulin@p200300760F7CBAB275E2FF88111E3B14.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #wesnoth 20170616 17:32:44< Kwandulin> zookeeper: thoughts on the mystic line sprites? 20170616 17:32:53< wesnoth-discord-> Something about simultaneous choices crashes 1.12.6. 20170616 20:24:43 error replay: found dependent command in replay while is_synced=false Caught unspecified general exception. Terminating. Will check it out once I get to 1.13. 20170616 17:33:59< wesnoth-discord-> I remember I once wrote rightclick menu item that could crash wesnoth of target player.. might be same cause 20170616 17:41:14-!- cc___ [~ac@2001:910:113f:1:6a05:caff:fe1c:1627] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 20170616 17:47:06-!- Kwandulin2 [~Kwandulin@p200300760F7CBAB275E2FF88111E3B14.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #wesnoth 20170616 17:47:35-!- Kwandulin [~Kwandulin@p200300760F7CBAB275E2FF88111E3B14.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20170616 18:01:12-!- moongazer [~moongazer@117.198.80.87] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20170616 18:04:37-!- moongazer [~moongazer@117.198.80.87] has joined #wesnoth 20170616 18:19:05< zookeeper> Kwandulin2, aside from minor nitpicks (like maybe the white eyes on the winged ones are too creepy? not sure yet) there's not much. i think the druid's staff is too long (and i realize it's the same in jet's version) and the mystic's arms too short or at least the our-left elbow looks a bit stilted and should be bent slightly. 20170616 18:19:25< zookeeper> overall they look great 20170616 18:23:30< Kwandulin2> alright 20170616 18:25:17< zookeeper> the vines around the shaman's hand might not read very clearly, but i'm not sure what to replace them with. a flower sprouting from the palm might be a bit cheesy :p 20170616 18:25:25-!- THERetroGamerNY [THERetroGa@pool-68-133-48-135.bflony.fios.verizon.net] has joined #wesnoth 20170616 18:26:07< Kwandulin2> Oh man look at that drake 20170616 18:27:26< zookeeper> umm, yeah, that's a very impressive sprite 20170616 18:27:51< Kwandulin2> Yes, the vines 20170616 18:28:53< Kwandulin2> I'll note down the to-do things. I'll be busy for the next two weeks, though, but I'll keep them in mind. Hit me with a trout, if I don't 20170616 18:28:57< zookeeper> on second thought, maybe a flower wouldn't be that bad 20170616 19:12:24-!- aeth_ [~Michael@wesnoth/umc-dev/developer/aethaeryn] has joined #wesnoth 20170616 19:13:07-!- aeth [~Michael@wesnoth/umc-dev/developer/aethaeryn] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20170616 19:13:38-!- aeth_ is now known as aeth 20170616 19:14:37-!- moongazer [~moongazer@117.198.80.87] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20170616 19:16:26< Kwandulin2> Whee https://www.dropbox.com/s/o5b8bunzuekq40e/khazran.jpg?dl=0 20170616 19:16:33-!- Kwandulin2 is now known as Kwandulin 20170616 20:03:08-!- Kwandulin [~Kwandulin@p200300760F7CBAB275E2FF88111E3B14.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20170616 20:25:09-!- Nobun [~nobun@5.170.110.226] has joined #wesnoth 20170616 20:27:12-!- Kranix [~magnus@x1-6-74-44-01-e4-f1-52.cpe.webspeed.dk] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 20170616 20:45:17< wesnoth-discord-> Ageless Era 4.18a? 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