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github or similar. 20170618 15:35:39-!- ancientcc [~ancientcc@140.207.223.165] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20170618 15:36:26-!- ancientcc [~ancientcc@140.207.223.165] has joined #wesnoth 20170618 15:36:45-!- ancientcc [~ancientcc@140.207.223.165] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20170618 15:39:59-!- HeyCitizen [~citizen@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/heycitizen] has joined #wesnoth 20170618 15:40:26< Kwandulin> I'll check my usb-sticks . . . 20170618 15:41:21-!- ancientcc [~ancientcc@140.207.223.165] has joined #wesnoth 20170618 15:43:06-!- ancientcc [~ancientcc@140.207.223.165] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20170618 15:43:29< Kwandulin> Oh and will we see LordBob's story art of TRoW in 1.14? 20170618 15:47:08-!- ancientcc [~ancientcc@140.207.223.165] has joined #wesnoth 20170618 15:49:38-!- ancientcc [~ancientcc@140.207.223.165] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20170618 16:15:51< Polsaker> celmin: out of curiosity, are addons downloaded via ftp? 20170618 16:18:48< loonycyborg> you mean from the addon interface in the game? 20170618 16:20:11< celticminstrel> ...no? 20170618 16:20:24< celticminstrel> I think they're just streamed through a socket or something. 20170618 16:20:49< loonycyborg> neither ftp nor http is used 20170618 16:21:11< loonycyborg> instead it's done with gzipped wml 20170618 16:23:08< Polsaker> weird 20170618 16:24:25< celmin> Why is it weird? 20170618 16:26:44< Polsaker> well, http and ftp also stream files through sockets :p 20170618 16:27:08< celmin> Well sure. 20170618 16:27:17< celmin> The addons server uses sendfile() 20170618 16:27:35< loonycyborg> http and ftp would bring extra dependency :P 20170618 16:27:38-!- Kwandulin [~Kwandulin@p200300760F7CBAEB849D1F645004A38E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20170618 16:27:38< loonycyborg> like libcurl 20170618 16:30:48< Polsaker> but it would make it way easier to do cache invalidation 20170618 16:30:55< Polsaker> at least for the addons list 20170618 16:32:35< loonycyborg> invalidation of which cache? 20170618 16:33:28-!- aeth [~Michael@wesnoth/umc-dev/developer/aethaeryn] has joined #wesnoth 20170618 16:34:01< Polsaker> loonycyborg: I meant caching the addons list so it's not redownloaded every time I install an addon 20170618 16:34:44< loonycyborg> well I'm not sure that it's such a desirable feature 20170618 16:34:55< loonycyborg> given that it's quite small and changes often 20170618 16:38:25< Polsaker> it's pretty annoying when i have to download tens of addons over a slow connection and redownload the addon list every time 20170618 16:38:44< Polsaker> I ended up downloading and installing them manually 20170618 16:39:20< wesnoth-discord-> you could upload dummy addon that puts what you want to dependency, and instead download that dummy one 20170618 16:49:02-!- Bonobo [~Bonobo@220-244-64-153.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 20170618 16:54:38< Gambit> lotta new terrain in 1.13 20170618 16:55:45< wesnoth-discord-> loonycyborg: the add-on list doesn't change as often as you might think. 20170618 16:59:28< wesnoth-discord-> Honestly you could get away with just caching the list locally and throwing it away when the user closes the add-on manager. 20170618 17:00:58< loonycyborg> actually that sounds like a good idea 20170618 17:04:20< celmin> The addon list would only change when someone uploads one (or deletes one). How often does that happen? 20170618 17:05:01< celmin> I guess you'd need to make sure the server can respond appropriately in the unlikely event that the user requests an addon that was deleted since they opened the addon manager. 20170618 17:10:02< Polsaker> that's something that could be happening now if I leave the addon manager open for a couple minutes and then somebody deletes an addon 20170618 17:11:01< loonycyborg> I think it'll just do an error message 20170618 17:11:37 * celmin nods. 20170618 17:11:49< celmin> Also good point Polsaker. 20170618 17:29:59< wesnoth-discord-> celmin: 31 add-ons have been uploaded in June so far 20170618 17:30:40< wesnoth-discord-> To the 1.12 server 20170618 17:31:30< wesnoth-discord-> Does that counts for updates too? or just for new ones? 20170618 17:43:11< wesnoth-discord-> updated too 20170618 17:56:57< wesnoth-discord-> That doesn't count add-ons updated multiple times though. 20170618 17:57:35-!- vultraz_iOS [uid24821@wesnoth/developer/vultraz] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 20170618 18:15:02-!- celmin [~celticmin@unaffiliated/celticminstrel] has quit [Quit: And lo! 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I thought about Chapters... 20170618 22:41:45< celmin> Short answer: Yes. 20170618 22:46:12< wesnoth-discord-> And the long version :| couldn't find the how yet. 20170618 22:47:24< celmin> Well, there's no concept of "campaign" left once the game gets started. 20170618 22:47:35< celmin> Except for the campaign defines, I guess. 20170618 22:48:03< celmin> So if you want to have a long campaign split into chapters, and give players a choice to play right through or start at any chapter... 20170618 22:48:43< celmin> You could just make the long campaign, then add an extra [campaign] tag for each chapter after the first which is basically the same except with a different start scenario. 20170618 22:49:12< celmin> I think some people have done this sort of thing already, too, so maybe ask around a bit to hear how they did it. 20170618 22:49:24< celmin> Maybe it's a little different from my hypothetical description. 20170618 22:49:46< celmin> (I'm pretty sure my description would work, but there might be other ways to do it, maybe with slightly different results.) 20170618 22:50:13< wesnoth-discord-> how does wesnoth know if there was a scenario to take data from for the loaded scenario? 20170618 22:50:21< wesnoth-discord-> I think Dugi created addon that allows you move units between campaigns 20170618 22:50:33< celmin> How does Wesnoth know what now? 20170618 22:51:19< celmin> If you want to carry over your veterans with the method I described, you'd have to enter chapter 2 by playing through chapter 1 first, and the next_scenario is set to the first scenario of chapter 2. 20170618 22:52:27< wesnoth-discord-> Oh, I think I got it. 20170618 22:58:10-!- zookeeper [zookeeper@wesnoth/developer/zookeeper] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20170618 23:12:25-!- celmin [~celticmin@unaffiliated/celticminstrel] has quit [Quit: And lo! 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