--- Log opened Mon Jun 19 00:00:05 2017 20170619 00:28:19< wesnoth-discord-> You could also use persistent variables. 20170619 00:28:36< wesnoth-discord-> https://wiki.wesnoth.org/PersistenceWML 20170619 00:29:50< wesnoth-discord-> Not sure how that would scale with size/performance if you started adding tons of units though 20170619 00:34:22-!- louis94 [~~louis94@109.131.102.51] has joined #wesnoth 20170619 00:44:05-!- ancientcc [~ancientcc@47.91.165.235] has joined #wesnoth 20170619 00:55:48-!- ancientcc [~ancientcc@47.91.165.235] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20170619 01:03:36-!- ancientcc [~ancientcc@112.64.217.92] has joined #wesnoth 20170619 01:04:43-!- ancientcc [~ancientcc@112.64.217.92] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20170619 01:07:16< celticminstrel> I don't understand how those are supposed to work. 20170619 01:08:59-!- ancientcc_ [~ancientcc@112.64.217.92] has joined #wesnoth 20170619 01:10:09-!- ancientcc_ [~ancientcc@112.64.217.92] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20170619 01:10:09< wesnoth-discord-> ie: [set_global_variable] namespace=MusicPersist from_local=MusicPersist to_global=MusicPersist immediate=yes [/set_global_variable] Now you have a file at (for me) userdata/1.13/persist/MusicPersist.cfg 20170619 01:11:13< wesnoth-discord-> So I put everything I want persistent between scenarios underneath MusicPersist. So MusicPersist.something or MusicPersist.this.other.thing. 20170619 01:11:38< wesnoth-discord-> Then in a preload event, use [get_global_variable] to load it all back up. 20170619 01:13:23< wesnoth-discord-> you should use ` ``` ` and ` ``` ` tags for code 20170619 01:13:43< wesnoth-discord-> There we go 20170619 01:13:43< celticminstrel> Meh. 20170619 01:13:52< celticminstrel> Oh, you edited it? 20170619 01:13:55< celticminstrel> Fuuun. 20170619 01:15:04< wesnoth-discord-> Didn't realize Discord used the same markup as github 20170619 01:15:20-!- ancientcc [~ancientcc@112.64.216.92] has joined #wesnoth 20170619 01:15:20-!- ancientcc [~ancientcc@112.64.216.92] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20170619 01:16:25-!- ancientcc [~ancientcc@112.64.216.92] has joined #wesnoth 20170619 01:16:26< wesnoth-discord-> But yeah, it's useful for me at least. 20170619 01:16:51< wesnoth-discord-> Makes it possible to keep a consistent state between any scenarios using my mod. 20170619 01:17:46< wesnoth-discord-> Of course, if the data structure changes, then that's a problem since the WML needed to handle the new data structure is loaded in the cache, but the savefile only has the old WML. But, it's the lesser of two evils, really. 20170619 01:18:25< celticminstrel> Huh? 20170619 01:18:27-!- ancientcc [~ancientcc@112.64.216.92] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20170619 01:20:53< wesnoth-discord-> For example I release an update that renames `MusicPersist.something` to `MusicPersist.something_else`. A user starts a new scenario, which updates the persistent data structure to this new forum, then at some point goes and loads a save from before the update. The savefile still has the WML that's looking for `MusicPersist.something`. 20170619 01:21:14-!- louis94 [~~louis94@109.131.102.51] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 20170619 01:22:23< celticminstrel> Ah. 20170619 01:22:54< celticminstrel> Might be solvable, not sure... 20170619 01:23:12< celticminstrel> Using Lua might help, for example. 20170619 01:23:28< wesnoth-discord-> How? 20170619 01:24:35< wesnoth-discord-> I guess because Lua is not included in savefile, you can get updated name there 20170619 01:24:46< celticminstrel> Well, if you load it with dofile or require. 20170619 01:24:55< celticminstrel> The Lua code, I mean. 20170619 01:25:08< celticminstrel> Otherwise it is included in the savefile. 20170619 01:25:42< wesnoth-discord-> I'd considered that, but I'd have to convert my entire add-on to lua then :/ 20170619 01:25:47-!- ancientcc [~ancientcc@112.64.216.92] has joined #wesnoth 20170619 01:26:00< celticminstrel> Persistence is about the only set of tags that currently has no Lua API, but you can always call the WML tags from Lua. 20170619 01:26:08< celticminstrel> Ah, that sounds like a pain then. 20170619 01:26:57-!- ancientcc [~ancientcc@112.64.216.92] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20170619 01:27:29< wesnoth-discord-> yeah. The lua dialogs looked interesting too, but I could find next to no documentation on them, and didn't feel like poking around them long enough to figure out how it all works. 20170619 01:28:01< Ravana_> the Lua API included in PYR npt looks quite good for me 20170619 01:28:44< wesnoth-discord-> ? 20170619 01:29:54< celticminstrel> IMO the Lua dialogs API isn't that great, either. 20170619 01:30:13< celticminstrel> And the wiki documentation of the GUI WML is way outdated now. 20170619 01:30:34< wesnoth-discord-> It looked better than [message]/[option], at least. 20170619 01:30:52< celticminstrel> Because it's supposed to be auto-generated from the source code, but a) no-one has done so for awhile now and b) in some cases the documentation in the source code was not updated. 20170619 01:31:11< celticminstrel> Yeah, it's definitely better than [message]. 20170619 01:31:20-!- ancientcc [~ancientcc@112.64.216.92] has joined #wesnoth 20170619 01:31:22< celticminstrel> In 1.13 there are also a few other pre-baked dialogs besides [message]. 20170619 01:31:33-!- ancientcc [~ancientcc@112.64.216.92] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20170619 01:31:49< Ravana_> I took it like https://github.com/ProditorMagnus/Royal_Rumble_Updated/blob/master/macros/noshroud.cfg#L40-L72 , some values were static there though, so I kept those static in my copy too 20170619 01:32:07< celticminstrel> The buttonless dialog that pops up in the middle of the screen (ie for objects or objectives). The confirmation dialog with cancel/ok or yes/no buttons. Possibly another one that I forgot. 20170619 01:32:32< celticminstrel> Also the dropdown menu, but IMO that should only be used to create submenus with [set_menu_item]. 20170619 01:33:08< celticminstrel> I guess it could also be used to provide a left-click menu when selecting a unit. 20170619 01:33:35< wesnoth-discord-> How do I call the popup dialog used by objectives? It could be useful for certain things, but I thought it was hard-coded in c++. 20170619 01:34:12< celticminstrel> https://wiki.wesnoth.org/LuaWML/Display#wesnoth.show_popup_dialog 20170619 01:34:39< wesnoth-discord-> Oh, neat. 20170619 01:34:40< wesnoth-discord-> thanks. 20170619 01:35:00< celticminstrel> For simple button dalogs there's wesnoth.alert and wesnoth.confirm, which are wrappers around another as-yet-undocumented function whose name I forgot. 20170619 01:35:23< celticminstrel> I think that's in 1.13.8 though... 20170619 01:37:42-!- ancientcc [~ancientcc@140.207.223.165] has joined #wesnoth 20170619 01:38:05< celticminstrel> If so it should be in the changelog. 20170619 01:38:19< celticminstrel> And I guess show_story also counts. 20170619 01:39:10-!- ancientcc [~ancientcc@140.207.223.165] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20170619 01:40:47-!- Waste [~Cracker@blk-138-74-119.eastlink.ca] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20170619 01:41:24-!- ancientcc [~ancientcc@140.207.223.165] has joined #wesnoth 20170619 01:43:39-!- ancientcc [~ancientcc@140.207.223.165] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20170619 01:56:43-!- ancientcc [~ancientcc@112.64.217.92] has joined #wesnoth 20170619 01:57:11-!- ancientcc [~ancientcc@112.64.217.92] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20170619 02:01:08-!- ancientcc [~ancientcc@140.207.223.165] has joined #wesnoth 20170619 02:04:22-!- ancientcc [~ancientcc@140.207.223.165] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20170619 02:06:08-!- ancientcc [~ancientcc@140.207.223.165] has joined #wesnoth 20170619 02:07:48-!- ancientcc [~ancientcc@140.207.223.165] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20170619 02:11:39-!- ancientcc [~ancientcc@140.207.223.165] has joined #wesnoth 20170619 02:13:49-!- ancientcc [~ancientcc@140.207.223.165] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20170619 02:17:13-!- celmin [~celticmin@unaffiliated/celticminstrel] has joined #wesnoth 20170619 02:32:40-!- ancientcc [~ancientcc@112.64.217.92] has joined #wesnoth 20170619 02:33:07-!- ancientcc [~ancientcc@112.64.217.92] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20170619 02:45:55-!- ancientcc [~ancientcc@112.64.216.92] has joined #wesnoth 20170619 02:47:47-!- ancientcc [~ancientcc@112.64.216.92] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20170619 02:52:46-!- ancientcc [~ancientcc@140.207.223.165] has joined #wesnoth 20170619 02:53:36-!- ArneBab_ [~quassel@freenet/developer/arnebab] has joined #wesnoth 20170619 02:56:11-!- ancientcc [~ancientcc@140.207.223.165] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20170619 02:57:46-!- Bonobo [~Bonobo@220-244-64-153.tpgi.com.au] has joined #wesnoth 20170619 02:58:03-!- ArneBab [~quassel@freenet/developer/arnebab] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 20170619 03:04:42-!- ancientcc [~ancientcc@140.207.223.165] has joined #wesnoth 20170619 03:05:14-!- ancientcc [~ancientcc@140.207.223.165] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20170619 03:06:37-!- celmin [~celticmin@unaffiliated/celticminstrel] has quit [Quit: And lo! 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Let's see... should I attack with 'spear', 'javelin', or 'underflow'?" 20170619 23:06:16-!- noy [~Noy@wesnoth/developer/noy] has quit [Quit: noy] 20170619 23:44:29< wesnoth-discord-> Depends, is the ai choosing? 20170619 23:49:04< wesnoth-discord-> It took that so long to calculate, that it would not depend 20170619 23:49:50-!- celticminstrel [~celmin@unaffiliated/celticminstrel] has joined #wesnoth 20170619 23:57:18< wesnoth-discord-> Was it reported on github? I did a search, and didn't find anything. 20170619 23:57:52< celticminstrel> ??? 20170619 23:59:42< wesnoth-discord-> Hey I gotta ask, now that steam is getting rid of the Greenlight system, is Wesnoth still in the running for steam or no? --- Log closed Tue Jun 20 00:00:06 2017