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20170704 03:05:46< celticminstrel> ...awww, there's a textureSize function, but it was only added in 1.3.
20170704 03:06:43< celticminstrel> Meaning that I, with GLSL 1.2, cannot use it.
20170704 03:07:05< celticminstrel> ...oh, I suppose it's 1.30 and 1.20? Since version numbers are not decimals.
20170704 03:07:59< celticminstrel> I think my computer does support OpenGL 3, but my graphics card doesn't.
20170704 03:08:35< DeFender1031> are there not software polyfills for that?
20170704 03:12:17< celticminstrel> Uhhh. I wonder if that could even work.
20170704 03:12:54< DeFender1031> Theoretically, anything that can be processed on a gpu could be processed on a CPU, just slower, no?
20170704 03:13:05< celticminstrel> I had been considering using a 1D texture to pass in an array of unknown length (instead of restricting it to at most 256 entries).
20170704 03:14:00< celticminstrel> And use textureSize to avoid needing to also pass a separate size parameter.
20170704 03:14:07< celticminstrel> But I guess I can't do that.
20170704 03:14:09< celticminstrel> Well...
20170704 03:14:16< celticminstrel> I can still try the texture thing though.
20170704 03:14:35< celticminstrel> And just keep the separate size parameter.
20170704 03:14:53< celticminstrel> And then if/when this gets merged into actual Wesnoth it can be simply changed to use textureSize.
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20170704 03:18:21< celticminstrel> ...heh...
20170704 03:18:29< vultraz_iOS> have i been summoned
20170704 03:21:16< vultraz_iOS> celticminstrel: aren't we going to target 1.50
20170704 03:21:30< celticminstrel> Take a look at my final line.
20170704 03:21:59< vultraz_iOS> ah
20170704 03:26:55< celticminstrel> I actually haven't worked on it since the last time I talked about it.
20170704 03:27:34< celticminstrel> ATM I am actually doing some of the processing on the CPU - mainly, converting colors from int format to float format.
20170704 03:29:02< celticminstrel> Oh also, the RC / PAL implementation is a bit sluggish.
20170704 03:29:14< celticminstrel> There's a very noticeable delay before the image first appears.
20170704 03:29:21< celticminstrel> Possibly due to what I just mentioned, not sure though.
20170704 03:30:06< celticminstrel> (That would also affect TC, which I didn't do because 1. it's basically the same as RC and 2. it needs to know about the gamestate.)
20170704 03:30:43< celticminstrel> (Personally I'd recommend deprecating it.)
20170704 03:31:00< vultraz_iOS> :O
20170704 03:31:08< vultraz_iOS> Deprecating?
20170704 03:31:10< vultraz_iOS> \o/
20170704 03:31:34< celticminstrel> Actually, if TC() were deprecated in 1.14, then I guess it could be removed in 1.15, which would mean it doesn't even need to be implemented for the shaders.
20170704 03:32:31 * celticminstrel wonders how hard it would be for Elvish_Hunter to make wmllint replace all TC() with RC() ... it'd require wmllint to keep track of the team colors for each side.
20170704 03:37:18< DeFender1031> couldn't you just leave TC in and have whatever interprets what IPFs to call "replace it" internally with the corresponding RC call?
20170704 03:37:26< celticminstrel> Yeah.
20170704 03:38:12< DeFender1031> then why remove it? It's a good shorthand for the most common usage of RC.
20170704 03:38:29< vultraz_iOS> how is it?
20170704 03:39:53< vultraz_iOS> how is ~RC(magenta>red) more complicated than ~TC(1, magenta)
20170704 03:40:22< DeFender1031> those are not equivalent.
20170704 03:40:26< vultraz_iOS> I'd argue ~TC is *more* complicated since there's no guarantee 1 is red.
20170704 03:40:36< celticminstrel> Well, there is one advantage to TC over RC, which is that it automatically updates if you change the colour of side 1.
20170704 03:40:48< vultraz_iOS> Yes
20170704 03:40:53< vultraz_iOS> but we could add a WFL variable
20170704 03:41:05< DeFender1031> you'd have to do ~RC(magenta>$sides[1].color)
20170704 03:41:36< DeFender1031> (or something like that... been a while since I did this)
20170704 03:41:39< celticminstrel> That's a WML variable, not a WFL variable.
20170704 03:41:46< DeFender1031> I know.
20170704 03:41:48< celticminstrel> (And the RC doesn't parse its args as WFL in any case.)
20170704 03:41:54< vultraz_iOS> :|
20170704 03:42:24< DeFender1031> celticminstrel, I was following up on vult saying that ~RC(magenta>red) and ~TC(1, magenta) are the same thing
20170704 03:42:47< vultraz_iOS> they're not exactly the same but I bet a lot of creators assume they are
20170704 03:43:04< DeFender1031> vultraz_iOS, anyway, my point is, sometimes you don't want a hard-coded color. sometimes you want whatever the current color of a given side is.
20170704 03:43:11< celticminstrel> ...I wouldn't be so sure about that, vultraz_iOS 
20170704 03:43:21< DeFender1031> yeah, I doubt that as well.
20170704 03:43:56< DeFender1031> also, the syntax for RC always struck me as weird and inconsistent with everything else...
20170704 03:44:13< DeFender1031> but that's likely irrelevant for this conversation
20170704 03:44:56< celticminstrel> Yeah, the RC / PAL syntax is kinda weird and inconsistent, though I don't really mind it.
20170704 03:45:12< celticminstrel> It certainly ensures you can't forget which argument is which.
20170704 03:52:16< DeFender1031> that,s true, I suppose.
20170704 03:53:37< DeFender1031> anyway, I still maintain that TC is a good shorthand for the most common use of RC, which, contrary to vultular opinion, includes the actual team side lookup, and should thus be kept.
20170704 03:54:36< celticminstrel> I was thinking of TC as mainly used internally by the engine when I suggested maybe deprecating it, but I guess it's also reasonably useful for addon authors too.
20170704 03:56:35< DeFender1031> I've used it a lot.
20170704 03:57:42< DeFender1031> For example, if I want to have a boat at a dock with some indication that the boat "belongs" to a certain side, I'd TC it to that side.
20170704 03:59:31< DeFender1031> I even discovered and reported a bug ages ago about TC not working correctly for the side with the highest ID.
20170704 03:59:39< DeFender1031> IIRC, vult fixed that.
20170704 04:04:56< vultraz_iOS> i did
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20170704 05:30:23< wedge009> DeFender1031: zookeeper: Wesnothian, with capital W, makes sense to me as a native English-speaker even if it sounds a little awkward. That awkwardness is probably only because Wesnoth itself is derived from West-North.
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20170704 07:06:49< zookeeper> uh. yeah you can't replace ~TC with ~RC because obviously they're not the same thing.
20170704 07:16:07< zookeeper> it's surely possible to do anything ~TC can with ~RC, but then it requires you to [store_side] to find the side's colour, etc. ~TC is a great shortcut.
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20170704 10:37:44< vn971> Hm, the built-in map "A New Land - 4p" seems to be broken in 1.13.8+dev.
20170704 10:39:26< vn971> Steps to reproduce: start creating the map, disable all add-ons, choose a custom faction/leader with one or two of the players.
20170704 10:39:26< vn971> When the game starts, you'll have the correct recruits for those players who did NOT set up custom factions, and you'll have "normal" (for that faction) recruits for players which chose their leader explicitely.
20170704 10:45:01< vn971> * it's sufficient to just specify the faction.
20170704 10:45:01< vn971> In one picture: https://pointsgame.net/vn971/temp/2017.07.04_13:44:31_baf76dd.png
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20170704 11:46:36< DeFender1031> zookeeper, exactly my pont.
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20170704 11:52:01< zookeeper> vn971, right, it doesn't work right without "use map settings" on. i'll see if i can do something...
20170704 11:53:32< zookeeper> ah, there's a force_lock_settings=yes, that ought to do it
20170704 11:53:49< vn971> zookeeper: ah, you're right. With "Map settings" it works correctly. Thanks.
20170704 11:57:42< zookeeper> i guess dark forecast should get it too...
20170704 11:59:48< zookeeper> it does mean that one can't for example play them without fog
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20170704 12:05:24< irker276> wesnoth: ln-zookeeper wesnoth:master 0c92fbd10ba6 / data/multiplayer/scenarios/ (2p_Dark_Forecast.cfg 4p_A_New_Land.cfg): Added force_lock_settings=yes to "A New Land" and "Dark Forecast" https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/0c92fbd10ba627c05edf401532dc5e9005192ff8
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20170704 13:22:32< travis-ci> Build details : https://travis-ci.org/wesnoth/wesnoth/builds/249963622
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20170704 20:28:23< Elvish_Hunter> celticminstrel:making wmllint replace TC() with RC() probably won't be that hard. I guess that some regex matching, plus a dictionary to convert from side numbers to color names, might do the trick.
20170704 20:44:13< DeFender1031> ...except that, as said above, TC should not be removed in favor of RC.
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20170704 21:00:28< zookeeper> ...except that, as said above, you can't make such a conversion anyway :p
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20170704 22:06:00< DeFender1031> Well, yes. That would be one major reason why.
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20170704 22:44:02< irker787> wesnoth: Charles Dang wesnoth:accelerated_rendering 5948783f65b7 / src/image.cpp: Improved console output on IPF fail https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/5948783f65b78055b4ebd1d5812fa554a0280234
20170704 22:44:03< irker787> wesnoth: Charles Dang wesnoth:accelerated_rendering 80da7f82f860 / src/ (8 files in 3 dirs): Refactor and cleanup of the drawing dispatch system https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/80da7f82f86010c43e3c5ab39be4d103cd3b7b19
20170704 22:44:04< irker787> wesnoth: Charles Dang wesnoth:accelerated_rendering 5c5cc4fc16c9 / / (22 files in 6 dirs): Renamed drawing_buffer to drawing_queue https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/5c5cc4fc16c9b3b50526c4aa96b704c9c27f1df4
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20170704 22:58:37< DeFender1031> vultraz_iOS, that looks like progress...
20170704 23:21:44< vultraz_iOS> DeFender1031: it looks like more than it is :P
20170704 23:22:22< vultraz_iOS> DeFender1031: the second commit is the only one of substance and has been sitting here for a couple days
20170704 23:22:43< vultraz_iOS> DeFender1031: and the third one is just a rename 
20170704 23:24:35< DeFender1031> vultraz_iOS, yeah, I was mostly referring to the first two
20170704 23:26:16< vultraz_iOS> though to be doubly fair, while the second is also not as much a big deal as it looks, it seems to have fixed a bug
20170704 23:32:10< DeFender1031> That's good. Though I tend to find that "seems to have fixed a bug" can be misleading and not actually be a proper, unless you either know why it fixed the bug or changed the entire piece of code most closely related to the feature affected by the bug.
20170704 23:53:47< vultraz_iOS> DeFender1031: i have an idea why it might have fixed it
20170704 23:53:59< vultraz_iOS> but not entirely sure
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20170704 23:55:36< travis-ci> wesnoth/wesnoth#14395 (accelerated_rendering - 5c5cc4f : Charles Dang): The build has errored.
20170704 23:55:36< travis-ci> Build details : https://travis-ci.org/wesnoth/wesnoth/builds/250152570
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