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20170713 01:04:32< shadowm> Can anyone remind me under which conditions git add may not actually add a file?
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20170713 01:22:39< shadowm> A bunch of files, in fact, which aren't on .gitignore (there's no .gitignore) or .git/info/exclude.
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20170713 01:24:10< shadowm> This is getting on my nerves.
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20170713 01:28:03< shadowm> Oh, never mind, turns out I had already added the files in the wrong commit.
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20170713 01:35:59< DeFender1031> I must admit, I laughed a little. Not at your misfortune, mind you, but because that's exactly the sort of thing I would do.
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20170713 05:35:05< vultraz_iOS> aahaha oml
20170713 05:35:12< vultraz_iOS> I built master for the first time in months
20170713 05:35:38< vultraz_iOS> good *god* scrolling seems *so bad* in-game now that I've been working on a_r
20170713 05:36:46< vultraz_iOS> how did we ever play with that?
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20170713 08:52:35< wedge009> vultraz_iOS: Both D3D and OGL seem fine on Windows 10 running with AMD APU.
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20170713 09:36:03< vultraz_iOS> wedge009: DX12?
20170713 09:37:23< wedge009> As far as I know, all DX installations on Windows 10 are DX12. But yes, DX12 for me too.
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20170713 09:38:18< vultraz_iOS> wedge009: alright, so this seems to prove DX11 has problems, but DX12 doesn't
20170713 09:38:40< wedge009> Possibly.
20170713 09:38:51< vultraz_iOS> and seems to indicate Nvidia's noncompliance with the OGL standards possibly being an issue
20170713 09:39:02< wedge009> I should still think a sample of > 1 is needed for that conclusion, though.
20170713 09:39:10< vultraz_iOS> sure
20170713 09:39:25< wedge009> Except OGL works for me with NV GPU?
20170713 09:39:57< wedge009> Though I suppose there may be non-compliance somewhere.
20170713 09:40:24< vultraz_iOS> oh
20170713 09:40:26< wedge009> I don't think NV plays nicely with open standards like OpenGL and OpenCL.
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20170713 12:46:49< zookeeper> gfgtdf, ah, after the forum post i was wondering whether weapon special filter evaluation happens only once for damage prediction...
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20170713 12:47:56< gfgtdf> zookeeper: sems liek that'S the case, i made a bugreport for that
20170713 12:49:30< zookeeper> i can imagine it could conceivably be rather slow to evaluate them for every strike, maybe JyrkiVesterinen has some insight to that.
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20170713 12:52:28< Soliton> stuff like swarm certainly makes attack prediction much more complex.
20170713 12:53:00< Soliton> but since that is already accounted for maybe it'd not be difficult to generalize.
20170713 12:53:31< zookeeper> right, forgot about swarm
20170713 12:53:37< gfgtdf> Soliton: i think swam is also just evaluated once attack attack start.
20170713 12:53:42< gfgtdf> at attack*
20170713 12:54:17< Soliton> i'm pretty sure attack prediction takes into account that swarm changes based on hits.
20170713 12:55:00< Soliton> the logic for that might be hard coded specifically for swarm though so making it general might be prohibitive.
20170713 12:55:43< Ravana_> swarm does not change during fight
20170713 13:00:42< Soliton> ah right, that is for calculating multiple fights.
20170713 13:01:27< zookeeper> it doesn't? huh, i thought it did.
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20170713 13:01:53< Soliton> for one fight i don't think it can be done with the way attack prediction works currently.
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20170713 13:05:41< Soliton> it'd might already work for the monte carlo simulation part though.
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20170713 14:25:56< JyrkiVesterinen> Yes, attack prediction indeed takes swarm into account. Even when AI simulates multiple battles in a row and the number of strikes varies as a result.
20170713 14:26:37< JyrkiVesterinen> Sorry for answering so slowly. There is a bug in my IRC client that randomly blocks me from getting notifications about messages.
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20170713 15:39:16< Harzilein> just a "newbie" question, was the battle simulation vastly different in the early versions?
20170713 15:41:57< Harzilein> i.e. if i wanted to make something similar to the wesnoth ai for another game, i'd like to find a sweet spot of a relatively dumb though lightweight ai to look at. which versions would i look at then? i'm mostly interested in having an 'aggressive' ai like in creep war. (it's for a c64 game that might only get to use about 128k of banked ram + 1M of overall code from a flash cartridge)
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20170713 16:18:52< Soliton> are you asking only about the attack prediction/simulation or how the ai decides what moves to do?
20170713 16:19:26< Harzilein> the latter
20170713 16:20:14< Harzilein> of course the simulation (and possibly data exchanged w/ the planning engine) would get about linearly more complex with more complex wml possibilities
20170713 16:21:38< Harzilein> the problem with making "something like creep war" is that the set of creep units is a huge cross section of the entire wesnoth universe :D
20170713 16:22:07< Soliton> no idea how much that changed. might have to ask Sirp and/or Crab.
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20170713 16:22:26< Harzilein> and of course with arbitrary heroes, the calculations will possibly run against the _whole_ wesnoth legendarium
20170713 16:23:17< Harzilein> but of course that can be pruned to the _actually_ present units for each game
20170713 16:24:00< Soliton> i can tell you that the attack prediction used to be a simulation of 100 battles. then was improved to accurate probability calculations which where amended with a simulation again when the complexity is too high.
20170713 16:25:47< Harzilein> right
20170713 16:26:32< Harzilein> maybe i should have a look at master of monsters for the historical perspective :D
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