--- Log opened Mon Jul 24 00:00:51 2017
20170724 00:21:49< irker788> wesnoth: Ignacio R. Morelle wesnoth:master 57f9c3eccd63 / data/tools/ (helpheader.html wmlscope): wmlscope: Fix file list column layout glitches on Edge and Chrome https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/57f9c3eccd63a9ba8080cbea4a49f1be60bfc913
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20170724 01:41:09< shadowm> Why did we, at some point, decide that CamelCaseWithNoSpaces wiki articles were better than Title_Case_with_Underscores_that_Can_Be_Automatically_Converted_to_Spaces_When_Linking_to_Them?
20170724 01:41:17< shadowm> (zookeeper?)
20170724 01:47:01< DeFender1031> I've wondered this myself.\
20170724 01:48:07< DeFender1031> Though, on MW, it's actually that spaces and underscores in titles are treated identically (and shown as spaces in the title on the top of the page)
20170724 01:48:30< DeFender1031> But even so, "why are we not using spaces in our wiki titles" is a valid question.
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20170724 01:51:29< travis-ci> wesnoth/wesnoth#14487 (master - 57f9c3e : Ignacio R. Morelle): The build has errored.
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20170724 01:55:54< shadowm> I vaguely recall being present when a mass-conversion from snake case to camel case was taking place.
20170724 01:55:57< shadowm> Not sre if it was here.
20170724 02:11:50< DeFender1031> hmm...
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20170724 02:12:30< DeFender1031> I vaguely recall some point where there was one article whose name used snake case and someone asked why it didn't match the others.
20170724 02:13:04< DeFender1031> (And subsequently moved)
20170724 02:13:35< DeFender1031> But I don't recall if the question of why the convention is what it is came up.
20170724 02:38:21< celmin> Yeah, that's a very good question. IMO, we should mass-move articles to have underscores in the names as appropriate.
20170724 02:38:31< celmin> (Leaving the spaceless names as redirects, of course.)
20170724 02:40:06< vultraz_iOS> TFW you do something and it works the first time with just a few tiny changes
20170724 02:40:09< vultraz_iOS> *justright*
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20170724 03:02:25< celmin> Heh.
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20170724 03:13:43< irker788> wesnoth: Ignacio R. Morelle website:master 0c2374195632 / gettext.wesnoth.org/includes/wesmere.php: gettext.w.o: We don't use jQuery here https://github.com/wesnoth/website/commit/0c2374195632650df839edfd6d89f8d7a18e428c
20170724 03:28:03< vultraz_iOS> I have successfully reimplemented the minimap drawing.
20170724 03:31:29< celticminstrel> Fun.
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20170724 04:00:39< irker788> wesnoth: sigurdfdragon wesnoth:master 6ebd079f204e / data/campaigns/Secrets_of_the_Ancients/scenarios/06_Following_the_Shadow.cfg: SotA S06: When the chasm is discovered, have a bat fly out as a warning https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/6ebd079f204efba09c63875ac07078c55c89e71c
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20170724 04:14:41< irker788> wesnoth: Celtic Minstrel wesnoth:master 2d5cb4c9ed1d / data/themes/widescreen.cfg: Widescreen Theme: Use new minimap style https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/2d5cb4c9ed1db8ccf1b9a8b4086c247d66658bbe
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20170724 07:06:27< irker788> wesnoth: Ignacio R. Morelle wesnoth:1.10 c5b2b8a28b1c / changelog data/tools/addon_manager/html.py: wam: Fix HTML injection attack on the add-ons.wesnoth.org web interface https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/c5b2b8a28b1ca2629653acaf936ba4e2ece7aaab
20170724 07:06:35< irker788> wesnoth: Ignacio R. Morelle wesnoth:master 56990b17d9de / changelog data/tools/addon_manager/html.py: wam: Fix HTML injection attack on the add-ons.wesnoth.org web interface https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/56990b17d9de256750325415d186ea0e421c2c72
20170724 07:06:39< irker788> wesnoth: Ignacio R. Morelle wesnoth:1.12 0e707d641eb5 / changelog data/tools/addon_manager/html.py: wam: Fix HTML injection attack on the add-ons.wesnoth.org web interface https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/0e707d641eb559ccd8a6aa027a84b2fc52b8417e
20170724 07:06:59< zookeeper> wow, that onedrive thing really sucks for actually viewing the images.
20170724 07:07:06< shadowm> elias: ^ Might want to think of another way to implement the linkification feature for the add-on descriptions there.
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20170724 07:13:32< irker788> wesnoth: Charles Dang wesnoth:accelerated_rendering 835b17f48294 / src/sdl/render_utils.hpp: Allow render_target_setter to restore the last target when destroyed https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/835b17f48294696fcae3b8f2962c11795cd496d1
20170724 07:13:35< irker788> wesnoth: Charles Dang wesnoth:accelerated_rendering a8283f457c8f / src/gui/widgets/ (styled_widget.cpp styled_widget.hpp): GUI2/Styled Widget: enabled the virtual init function https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/a8283f457c8fc43c7f94c9cbd56ecd4b0633fa09
20170724 07:13:38< irker788> wesnoth: Charles Dang wesnoth:accelerated_rendering c7ca8ebfa82a / src/ (minimap.cpp minimap.hpp): Added new minimap drawing method that works wholly with textures https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/c7ca8ebfa82a11b3aa4917388ee684761ed6e27e
20170724 07:13:41< irker788> wesnoth: Charles Dang wesnoth:accelerated_rendering 386e46dab6b1 / src/gui/core/ (canvas.cpp canvas.hpp): GUI2/Canvas: allow the default draw routine (shape drawing) to be overridden https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/386e46dab6b18ca237743223fd1c68a16e6dbe8b
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20170724 07:13:44< irker788> wesnoth: Charles Dang wesnoth:accelerated_rendering ba478ed8c7c2 / src/gui/core/canvas.cpp: GUI2/CanvasL fixup 4ed729cf9c (use initializer list for move ctor) https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/ba478ed8c7c210a69bd7fffe83edd7ce1c3e9d06
20170724 07:13:47< irker788> wesnoth: Charles Dang wesnoth:accelerated_rendering 7c462efc2e9a / src/gui/widgets/ (minimap.cpp minimap.hpp): GUI2/Minimap: refactored drawing code https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/7c462efc2e9a1f4c8328119c0a7091b197cfd6de
20170724 07:28:28< zookeeper> shadowm, pretty much all i could find, as apparently i wasn't online for the actual debate: https://paste.ee/p/QvcKB
20170724 07:31:21< shadowm> So we were going to fix them to snake case but nobody ever completed that effort? Great.
20170724 07:33:42< shadowm> I'm not surprised since nobody has ever managed to do anything admin-like with the wiki for very long.
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20170724 07:35:08< vultraz_iOS> if only there were a mass-rename function
20170724 07:36:53< shadowm> Oh there's probably an extension for it somewhere.
20170724 07:37:22< JyrkiVesterinen> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Moving_a_page#Mass_renaming_.2F_moving
20170724 07:37:29< shadowm> The hard part is certainly dealing with all the existing link references in and outside the wiki (double redirects are bad).
20170724 07:37:31< JyrkiVesterinen> Took me mere seconds to find.
20170724 07:37:53< JyrkiVesterinen> What's the problem with double redirects?
20170724 07:37:54< shadowm> s/double/unnecessary/
20170724 07:38:06< shadowm> I can tell you all about it as a 3G mobile broadband user.
20170724 07:38:22< JyrkiVesterinen> Oh, right. Network latency.
20170724 07:40:52< shadowm> Plus the point is not having existing [[LinksLikeThis]] visible in the wiki.
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20170724 14:57:41< DeFender1031> shadowm, "double redirects are bad" has not been true for at least 5 years woth of MW releases.
20170724 14:58:12< DeFender1031> oh, okay, you clarified.
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20170724 19:47:18< JyrkiVesterinen> I'm now looking into the unit test failures.
20170724 19:47:34< JyrkiVesterinen> It looks like initially my changes caused the tests to divide by zero.
20170724 19:47:46< irker733> wesnoth: Ignacio R. Morelle wesnoth:master f7b34ce1e874 / data/tools/addon_manager/html.py: wam: Minor moving things around for float layout coherency, also tooltip https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/f7b34ce1e874052029becc0751bdafe2d2ce1c90
20170724 19:47:52< JyrkiVesterinen> But later it changed into a segfault.
20170724 19:48:13< JyrkiVesterinen> I'll try to fix the division by zero, as that one is definitely my fault.
20170724 19:52:03< JyrkiVesterinen> celticminstrel: it looks like the segfault was introduced in one of your commits - b499080, 7df0da5, 40319fe or e85b429.
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20170724 20:17:51< JyrkiVesterinen> Regarding the division by zero: as I thought, the game attempts to draw for real.
20170724 20:17:53< JyrkiVesterinen> https://gist.github.com/jyrkive/73a19ad6474e83d84682e3904838ebbd
20170724 20:19:49< JyrkiVesterinen> Since it has worked before, I think I'll just make sure that CVideo::current_refresh_rate() returns a nonzero value even with faked video.
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20170724 21:32:38< zookeeper> wow, those commit messages, gfgtdf. what kind of technique did you use to do "Z/)(/&)H(/&%)(/"? looks like a very unusual style of keyboard mashing :>
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20170724 21:39:42< gfgtdf> zookeeper: had probaby capslock on .
20170724 21:40:00< gfgtdf> zookeeper: any opinioon on that pr other than that ?
20170724 21:40:15< shadowm> On what OS does caps lock select non-letter second-level characters?
20170724 21:41:39< gfgtdf> shadowm: on windows it seems.
20170724 21:41:48< shadowm> Not for me.
20170724 21:42:51< gfgtdf> hmm maybe there is some settings on that? or maybe eit depend on the keyboard.
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20170724 22:09:29< zookeeper> gfgtdf, according to the wiki, the (only?) way to cancel the move in an enter_hex/exit_hex event was to _not_ use [allow_undo], so... i guess by combining [cancel_action] and [allow_undo] you can cancel a move while keeping undo?
20170724 22:10:23 * DeFender1031 has always thought that the connection between allow_undo and the event being canceled or not in that case is highly idiotic.
20170724 22:10:34< gfgtdf> zookeeper: yes, you can.
20170724 22:11:55< zookeeper> well, seems like good functionality to have, then
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20170724 22:13:42< gfgtdf> zookeeper: the main bahviour change is that now enter/exit_hex events by default not cancel the action as is was done previously.
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20170724 22:15:29< DeFender1031> gfgtdf, meaning that idiotic connection between those two things isn't present any more?
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20170724 22:16:00< gfgtdf> DeFender1031: ye it's gone.
20170724 22:16:14< DeFender1031> Praise the lord, halleluyah!
20170724 22:17:21< DeFender1031> (Though that is a backwards-incompatible behavior change...)
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20170724 22:22:26< zookeeper> yeah, enter_hex/exit_hex are used quite a lot even though they're relatively new, so i worry a bit about what changing the behaviour is going to do
20170724 22:26:11< DeFender1031> honestly, I'd suggest an "auto_cancel" key which can (and should) be set to false, deprecating the use of it not set to false, and then eventually deprecating that key as well.
20170724 22:29:47 * zookeeper scratches head
20170724 22:29:51< zookeeper> sounds complicated
20170724 22:31:45< DeFender1031> not really.
20170724 22:31:57< DeFender1031> if auto_cancel is not set, it does the old behavior.
20170724 22:32:06< zookeeper> which tag?
20170724 22:32:15< gfgtdf> DeFender1031: you mean in [event] ?
20170724 22:32:16< DeFender1031> if it's set to no, it no longer cancels unless there's an explicit cancel.
20170724 22:32:17< DeFender1031> yes.
20170724 22:32:53< DeFender1031> then there's a deprecation notice that says that if you haven't set auto_cancel, that you should to ensure that your code accounts for the upcoming behavior.
20170724 22:33:11< DeFender1031> then in the next version, that becomes the only behavior and auto_cancel once again means nothing,.
20170724 22:33:15< zookeeper> if it's in [event] then you can't use it conditionally
20170724 22:33:21< DeFender1031> huh?
20170724 22:33:27< DeFender1031> you wouldn't use it conditionally
20170724 22:34:17< zookeeper> right, i guess... you wouldn't need to
20170724 22:34:21< DeFender1031> if you wanted the event canceled, you'd use [cancel_action]
20170724 22:34:41< DeFender1031> it would ONLY mean "don't automatically cancel the event"
20170724 22:35:02< DeFender1031> this way, it'd keep the behavior of existing code the same while providing a way to get the sane behavior
20170724 22:35:31< DeFender1031> and if a deprecation notice for not using it was added, it would warn people of the impending change in the next version.
20170724 22:35:34< DeFender1031> get it?
20170724 22:36:56< zookeeper> kinda! but i'm semi-distracted so no wonder
20170724 22:37:16< DeFender1031> sigh.
20170724 22:38:25< zookeeper> i don't multitask very well if one task actually involves being able to think something nontrivial
20170724 22:38:59< DeFender1031> reasonable.
20170724 22:39:14< DeFender1031> Confession: I'm also multitasking.
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20170724 23:16:49< DeFender1031> Ugh, why are there so many morons on the internet?!
20170724 23:17:26< DeFender1031> Erm... Sorry. Wrong window.
20170724 23:17:32< vultraz_iOS> why are there so many morons in real life :P
20170724 23:17:48< DeFender1031> vultraz_iOS, an excellnt question. :P
20170724 23:18:01< zookeeper> it's not the wrong window, that observation fits anywhere :p
20170724 23:18:24< DeFender1031> You know, I heard a rumor that the morons from the internet... actually exist somewhere in real life too... can you believe that?
20170724 23:18:31< DeFender1031> zookeeper, fair point.
20170724 23:18:49< zookeeper> distractions are gone but i'm still unable to concentrate enough to really visualize the whole thing you proposed. but i still get the general idea, which is to avoid warningless compatibility problems by adding a temporary'ish key.
20170724 23:19:01< zookeeper> ...which seems like a clever way to do it, i suppose
20170724 23:19:08< DeFender1031> zookeeper, yes, that's exactly my idea.
20170724 23:22:08< DeFender1031> zookeeper, practically, it means that people use the attribute to mark an enter/exit event as expecting the new behavior rather than the old one, while stil allowing the old one in deprecated (level 3) fashion. Once the deprecated behavior is then properly removed, the attribute which marked the event as using the nex behavior will also become unnecessary, and can also be deprecated (level 1)
20170724 23:22:30< DeFender1031> s/nex/new
20170724 23:26:58< DeFender1031> honestly, this is an example of some of what i'm talking about in terms of "there's usually a simple way to deprecate some old API and transition gracefully even in cases where it may look at first glance as though there isn't"
20170724 23:30:39< irker733> wesnoth: Charles Dang wesnoth:accelerated_rendering 09cfb83d0814 / src/gui/widgets/minimap.cpp: GUI2/Minimap: fixed a few issues with the new drawing impl https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/09cfb83d08140af219c0afc959f6bbde5467eac9
20170724 23:33:53< zookeeper> DeFender1031, yeah, i probably wouldn't have thought of that approach. one thing the deprecation/warning message needs though, is to be very very clear and a bit more elaborate than usual.
20170724 23:34:07< DeFender1031> of course.
20170724 23:34:44< DeFender1031> but this is an approach that can be used any time the default behavior of a tag is being changed.
20170724 23:35:32< zookeeper> indeed
20170724 23:35:33< DeFender1031> Want to change how [if][else] works in animations? Have an attribute to mark it as using the new behavior and deprecate the old.
20170724 23:37:14< DeFender1031> Want to change how [and], [or], and [not] work in filters to require less nesting the way... I think it's aeth, would prefer? Same dealy.
20170724 23:38:36< DeFender1031> (Note, not saying whether I think any of these examples should or shouldn't be done, nor looking to start such a debate, just using them as examples where such a technique would help.)
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20170724 23:45:17< gfgtdf> DeFender1031: note that auto_cancel=true, assuming it always calcels the actions doesn't math the old abhviour eigher if [allow_undo] is used.
20170724 23:46:11< DeFender1031> gfgtdf, i don't know how you could say that, since it doesn't actually exist yet.
20170724 23:46:28< DeFender1031> unless you mean that the name implies something other than the old behavior.
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20170724 23:46:41< DeFender1031> in which case, yeah, it's not the best name, but that wasn't the point i was making.
20170724 23:46:49< gfgtdf> is explicitly said "assuming it always calcels the action"
20170724 23:46:55< gfgtdf> i*
20170724 23:47:05< DeFender1031> ah, so you did.
20170724 23:47:09< DeFender1031> yes. that would not be the intention
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20170724 23:47:30< DeFender1031> a better name would be "auto_cancel_if_not_undone", but that's unweildy.
20170724 23:48:49< DeFender1031> hmm... "no_auto_cancel=yes" might be more intuitive, despite being an inverse negative...
20170724 23:48:58< DeFender1031> but whatever, the point wasn't the name.
20170724 23:49:31< DeFender1031> it was that there's some temporary attribute that controls the behavior, with the default being the old, which is then switched in the next version.
20170724 23:50:39< irker733> wesnoth: Ignacio R. Morelle wesmere:master 3ed46ee6a19b / static/template_inside.xsl: static: Use the correct resource URL prefix when building pages https://github.com/wesnoth/wesmere/commit/3ed46ee6a19b6100d89582ba4f5f912f12de5a02
20170724 23:55:10< gfgtdf> DeFender1031: we sureley don't want it in the next version, so instead of switching the default it should be removed.
20170724 23:55:22< celticminstrel> So someone said we're dropping XP support, I think? What's the plan with older OSX?
20170724 23:55:29< celticminstrel> And Vista for that matter.
20170724 23:55:45< celticminstrel> Personally I see no reason to drop XP if it's easy to continue supporting it though...
20170724 23:56:06< gfgtdf> what exactly was the reason for dropping xp?
20170724 23:56:12< shadowm> It's easy to continue supporting them both because nothing in Wesnoth (to my knowledge) makes use of any features that aren't available in them.
20170724 23:56:26< shadowm> But people shouldn't be using them.
20170724 23:56:30< celticminstrel> Probably "Microsoft doesn't support it".
20170724 23:56:55< shadowm> Chrome ended support for Windows XP last year and Firefox did the same earlier this year.
20170724 23:56:56< celticminstrel> If you take that argument literallly you'd also drop Vista (IIRC?) as well as OSX 10.7 and 10.8 (IIRC).
20170724 23:57:08< celticminstrel> Preferably with only two L's. >_>
20170724 23:57:08< shadowm> People running Windows XP at this point are just asking for trouble.
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20170724 23:57:41< celticminstrel> But maybe they have reasons why they can't upgrade.
20170724 23:57:52< shadowm> Doesn't really matter at this point.
20170724 23:58:05< shadowm> Can't upgrade? Don't use the Internet or run software from the Internet then.
20170724 23:59:02< shadowm> Besides, IIRC the non-deterministic SDL sound crash may have been specific to Windows XP.
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