--- Log opened Fri Jul 07 00:00:28 2017 20170707 00:01:29-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20170707 00:01:35-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth 20170707 00:29:29-!- ancientcc [~ancientcc@47.90.82.49] has joined #wesnoth 20170707 00:30:19-!- celmin [~celticmin@unaffiliated/celticminstrel] has joined #wesnoth 20170707 00:31:38-!- ancientcc [~ancientcc@47.90.82.49] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20170707 01:41:00-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20170707 01:41:06-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth 20170707 02:18:01-!- ancientcc [~ancientcc@47.90.82.49] has joined #wesnoth 20170707 02:19:31-!- ancientcc [~ancientcc@47.90.82.49] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20170707 02:57:36-!- ArneBab [~quassel@freenet/developer/arnebab] has joined #wesnoth 20170707 03:01:27-!- ArneBab_ [~quassel@freenet/developer/arnebab] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20170707 03:47:39-!- oldlaptop_ is now known as oldlaptop 20170707 04:20:16-!- ancientcc [~ancientcc@47.90.82.49] has joined #wesnoth 20170707 04:20:28-!- ancientcc [~ancientcc@47.90.82.49] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20170707 04:28:41-!- ancientcc [~ancientcc@47.90.82.49] has joined #wesnoth 20170707 04:29:00-!- ancientcc [~ancientcc@47.90.82.49] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20170707 04:51:50-!- synthpopisback [~synthpopi@2606:a000:7947:5000:f880:331b:7270:bec6] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20170707 04:52:37-!- ancientcc [~ancientcc@47.90.82.49] has joined #wesnoth 20170707 04:52:49-!- ancientcc [~ancientcc@47.90.82.49] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20170707 05:07:16-!- ancientcc [~ancientcc@47.90.82.49] has joined #wesnoth 20170707 05:07:26-!- ancientcc [~ancientcc@47.90.82.49] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20170707 05:07:41-!- celmin [~celticmin@unaffiliated/celticminstrel] has quit [Quit: And lo! 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The computer falls into a deep sleep, to awake again some other day!] 20170707 05:22:06-!- Aumpa [~Aumpa@2605:e000:2356:8700:d8dc:5a2d:95d6:3493] has joined #wesnoth 20170707 06:17:17-!- deathisundead [~quassel@unaffiliated/the-unforgiven/x-8713611] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20170707 07:28:35-!- zookeeper [~lmsnie@wesnoth/developer/zookeeper] has joined #wesnoth 20170707 07:50:13-!- Loading [~Loading@151.43.75.62] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20170707 08:20:23-!- Haudegen [~quassel@178.115.237.87] has joined #wesnoth 20170707 08:22:40-!- Aumpa [~Aumpa@2605:e000:2356:8700:d8dc:5a2d:95d6:3493] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20170707 08:58:47-!- clavi [~clavi@v22017034422546657.goodsrv.de] has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in] 20170707 09:03:43-!- clavi [~clavi@v22017034422546657.goodsrv.de] has joined #wesnoth 20170707 09:17:36-!- Kwandulin [~Kwandulin@p200300760F12B3D20D74C393D8B01C1B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #wesnoth 20170707 10:32:50-!- Kwandulin [~Kwandulin@p200300760F12B3D20D74C393D8B01C1B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20170707 10:47:49-!- fkhodkov [fkhodkovma@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-ybuortsaphazaleb] has joined #wesnoth 20170707 10:55:23-!- fkhodkov [fkhodkovma@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-ybuortsaphazaleb] has quit [Quit: Bridged client killed] 20170707 10:56:09-!- fkhodkov [~user@ppp-188-65-8-33-bras1.istra.ru] has joined #wesnoth 20170707 11:56:08-!- Haudegen [~quassel@178.115.237.87] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20170707 12:20:59-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20170707 12:21:05-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth 20170707 12:47:02< wesnoth-discord-> Push to get greenlight 20170707 12:47:10< wesnoth-discord-> Other way crappier games get it 20170707 12:55:43< wesnoth-discord-> just kidding greenlight is dead 20170707 13:00:58-!- aeth [~Michael@wesnoth/umc-dev/developer/aethaeryn] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20170707 13:01:29< DeFender1031> Didn't wesnoth already get greenlight? 20170707 13:01:51< wesnoth-discord-> Yes, we are already greenlit. 20170707 13:15:07-!- Haudegen [~quassel@212-186-77-29.static.upcbusiness.at] has joined #wesnoth 20170707 13:18:30< DeFender1031> So then what is @Rhike talking about? 20170707 13:19:03< wesnoth-discord-> My friend told me the game isn't greenlit 20170707 13:19:11< wesnoth-discord-> so that's why I said so 20170707 13:19:26< wesnoth-discord-> sounds stupid I know 20170707 13:21:29-!- ancientcc [~ancientcc@112.64.216.93] has joined #wesnoth 20170707 13:21:31-!- ancientcc [~ancientcc@112.64.216.93] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20170707 13:31:57< wesnoth-discord-> It was greenlit, but it's not going on Steam until 1.14, which at this point could be a while. 20170707 13:32:47< wesnoth-discord-> Indeed. It's starting to look like the Steam release will be delayed to somewhere around mid-2018. 😦 20170707 13:35:36-!- Bonobo [~Bonobo@203.63.51.218] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20170707 13:44:26-!- aeth [~Michael@wesnoth/umc-dev/developer/aethaeryn] has joined #wesnoth 20170707 15:32:24-!- DeFender1031 [~DeFender1@89-138-160-34.bb.netvision.net.il] has quit [Quit: I'm not back now.] 20170707 15:43:31-!- TheJJ [~rofl@ipbcc36896.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20170707 15:58:27-!- TheJJ [~rofl@188.195.104.150] has joined #wesnoth 20170707 16:02:22-!- Haudegen [~quassel@212-186-77-29.static.upcbusiness.at] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20170707 16:16:39-!- sevu [~Shiki@141.57.58.13] has joined #wesnoth 20170707 16:32:01-!- sevu [~Shiki@141.57.58.13] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20170707 17:10:15-!- Haudegen [~quassel@178.115.237.87] has joined #wesnoth 20170707 18:10:52-!- claymore [~claymore@unaffiliated/claymore] has joined #wesnoth 20170707 18:59:23-!- Kwandulin [~Kwandulin@p200300760F12B3D2957209D756B6924A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #wesnoth 20170707 19:28:52-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20170707 19:28:59-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth 20170707 19:37:51-!- vultraz_iOS [uid24821@wesnoth/developer/vultraz] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 20170707 19:48:29-!- Narrat [~Narrat@p5DCC6F7A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #wesnoth 20170707 19:58:59-!- Haudegen [~quassel@178.115.237.87] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20170707 20:09:05-!- fkhodkov [~user@ppp-188-65-8-33-bras1.istra.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20170707 20:18:56-!- Haudegen [~quassel@178.115.237.87] has joined #wesnoth 20170707 20:42:44-!- claymore [~claymore@unaffiliated/claymore] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20170707 20:52:40< wesnoth-discord-> Damn 20170707 20:55:38-!- Kwandulin [~Kwandulin@p200300760F12B3D2957209D756B6924A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 20170707 20:57:26< wesnoth-discord-> Yeah, it's definitely not ideal. The main reason that there might be such a long delay is that 1.13 has fairly worse performance than 1.12[1], and most of the effort so far has been towards having Wesnoth use OpenGL rather than software rendering like it is now, and that just takes a lot of time. It doesn [1] https://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=46442 20170707 20:59:14< wesnoth-discord-> Yeah, it's definitely not ideal. The main reason that there might be such a long delay is that 1.13 has been found to have fairly worse performance than 1.12[1], and most of the effort so far has been towards having Wesnoth use OpenGL rather than software rendering like it is now, and that just takes a lot of time. It doesn't help either that (as far as I know) it's only 1 developer doing most of that work. [1] 20170707 20:59:14< wesnoth-discord-> https://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=46442 20170707 20:59:40< wesnoth-discord-> Performance? 20170707 20:59:44< wesnoth-discord-> The game is available on mobile 20170707 20:59:50< wesnoth-discord-> in its full form 20170707 21:00:16< wesnoth-discord-> Vultraz has requested my help for that work, but I'm not that fast even when I'm actively developing (and I'm on a break now). 20170707 21:01:50< wesnoth-discord-> I don't believe any of the code for the android/iOS ports has (yet) been merged into mainline Wesnoth. 20170707 21:02:08< wesnoth-discord-> The iOS port will eventually be merged though. 20170707 21:02:20< wesnoth-discord-> Mobile versions are based on 1.12, AFAIK. The problem is a performance regression relative to 1.12. (That regression is believed to be caused mainly by the update to SDL 2.0, which we aren't planning to revert.) 20170707 21:02:40< wesnoth-discord-> So you can still play online on lower versions right 20170707 21:03:03< wesnoth-discord-> Yes. 1.12 is the current stable version, and it has the most players. 20170707 21:23:36< wesnoth-discord-> Also, the current way things are set up, 1.12 multiplayer will also still be available for the duration of the 1.14 release cycle. Similar to how 1.10 is still available right now while 1.12 is the current stable version. 20170707 21:24:11< wesnoth-discord-> So at the rate Wesnoth does releases, 1.12 online multiplayer will be around until ~2020-2021 20170707 21:25:32< TC01> so this is a silly question probably, but is there a reason to not just release 1.12 on steam in the mean time? 20170707 21:31:45< wesnoth-discord-> Originally the thought was that it didn't make much sense to put 1.12 on Steam, then release 1.14 in a few months, which would result in tons of the new Steam users' add-ons breaking/not existing anymore. 1.14 also has a whole bunch of new features and just general improvements - the move to SDL2 did fix several long-standing bugs despite causing performance issues, for example. Given how long 1.14 is looking to be delayed 20170707 21:31:45< wesnoth-discord-> though, it might be worth reconsidering, but I wouldn't be the one who would make that decision. 20170707 21:33:03< TC01> Right, yeah-- I understood the original idea was that 1.14 would come out soon after the Steam greenlight stuff was taken care of, but now that it sounds like "soon" is going to be "not quite as soon"... just a thought :) 20170707 21:47:08< wesnoth-discord-> @Vultraz could probably give more definite answer. 20170707 21:53:09-!- vultraz_iOS [uid24821@wesnoth/developer/vultraz] has joined #wesnoth 20170707 23:13:56-!- Haudegen [~quassel@178.115.237.87] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20170707 23:21:22-!- zookeeper [~lmsnie@wesnoth/developer/zookeeper] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20170707 23:26:56-!- Bonobo [~Bonobo@203.63.51.218] has joined #wesnoth 20170707 23:47:57-!- celticminstrel [~celmin@unaffiliated/celticminstrel] has joined #wesnoth 20170707 23:54:34-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20170707 23:54:40-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth --- Log closed Sat Jul 08 00:00:30 2017