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The computer falls into a deep sleep, to awake again some other day!] 20170713 06:00:29-!- Ravana_ [~Ravana@unaffiliated/ravana/x-2327071] has joined #wesnoth 20170713 06:04:39-!- edaq [~edaq3@h69-21-227-85.cytnin.broadband.dynamic.tds.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20170713 06:57:16-!- ToBeCloud [uid51591@wikimedia/ToBeFree] has joined #wesnoth 20170713 07:07:01-!- Haudegen [~quassel@178.115.237.87] has joined #wesnoth 20170713 07:39:53-!- cyphase [~cyphase@unaffiliated/cyphase] has quit [Quit: cyphase.com] 20170713 07:40:15-!- cyphase [~cyphase@unaffiliated/cyphase] has joined #wesnoth 20170713 07:41:25< wesnoth-discord-> to whoever develops and balances dragons/drakes: 20170713 07:41:50< wesnoth-discord-> I personally suggest to make dragons lawful or neutral even though they live in caves 20170713 07:42:09< wesnoth-discord-> 1. They do live in cave, yet not adapt to it. Low dodge rate on cave terrains 20170713 07:43:04< wesnoth-discord-> 2. More precisely, they live in volcanic caves because they kinda love/need the heat. Hence on lava terrain they should receive a reasonable buff 20170713 07:43:26< wesnoth-discord-> A.K.A being lawful, should make more sense than being chaotic 20170713 07:44:09< wesnoth-discord-> because chaotic nature nerfs there damage down when they sit on lavas 20170713 07:45:06< wesnoth-discord-> and their relations with drake is more naturally reflected by their resistence values 20170713 07:45:35< wesnoth-discord-> fear cold, arcane, pierce, yet resistent to heat, blade, impact 20170713 08:19:06-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20170713 08:19:14-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth 20170713 08:31:12-!- Kwandulin [~Miranda@p200300760F12B31911E03A7B15A80C11.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #wesnoth 20170713 08:41:42-!- ancientcc [~ancientcc@112.64.217.89] has joined #wesnoth 20170713 08:44:30-!- ancientcc [~ancientcc@112.64.217.89] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20170713 08:53:43< Kwandulin> Ewww, can people stop putting forests next to deserts? The south will look just as chaotic as the northlands https://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?p=615344#p615344 20170713 09:05:02-!- Kranix [~magnus@xd520f683.cust.hiper.dk] has joined #wesnoth 20170713 09:06:36-!- ToBeCloud [uid51591@wikimedia/ToBeFree] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 20170713 09:10:07-!- Ivanovic [~ivanovic@p4FC534A6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Changing host] 20170713 09:10:07-!- Ivanovic [~ivanovic@wesnoth/developer/ivanovic] has joined #wesnoth 20170713 09:13:15-!- zookeeper [~lmsnie@wesnoth/developer/zookeeper] has joined #wesnoth 20170713 09:15:32< zookeeper> Kwandulin, surely there could be a tropical forest in close proximity to a desert, especially when there's all those hills and mountains around 20170713 09:24:23-!- Haudegen [~quassel@178.115.237.87] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20170713 09:35:41-!- Vadatajs [~Vadatajs@63-152-100-155.cdrr.qwest.net] has joined #wesnoth 20170713 09:39:12-!- Vadatajs [~Vadatajs@63-152-100-155.cdrr.qwest.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20170713 09:41:23-!- Vadatajs [~Vadatajs@63-152-100-155.cdrr.qwest.net] has joined #wesnoth 20170713 10:12:24-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20170713 10:12:30-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth 20170713 11:14:02-!- Kwandulin [~Miranda@p200300760F12B31911E03A7B15A80C11.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20170713 11:42:29-!- celticminstrel [~celmin@unaffiliated/celticminstrel] has joined #wesnoth 20170713 12:23:58-!- ancientcc [~ancientcc@183.240.25.162] has joined #wesnoth 20170713 12:25:14-!- ancientcc [~ancientcc@183.240.25.162] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20170713 12:36:38-!- ancientcc [~ancientcc@112.64.217.89] has joined #wesnoth 20170713 12:39:44-!- ancientcc [~ancientcc@112.64.217.89] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20170713 12:47:44-!- celticminstrel [~celmin@unaffiliated/celticminstrel] has quit [Quit: And lo! 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They don't need to have the same qualities as drakes. 20170713 22:27:10< wesnoth-discord-> They do not, but they also make minimal sense being chaotic 20170713 22:27:34< DeFender1031> There were also a number of answers posed for that. 20170713 22:27:52< DeFender1031> In mainline, they're usually found in caves. 20170713 22:28:21< wesnoth-discord-> Volcanic caves, unfortunately, where they mainly dwell in 20170713 22:28:24< DeFender1031> Their already flaming bodies overheat in the sun. 20170713 22:28:36< wesnoth-discord-> "Overheat"? 20170713 22:28:47< DeFender1031> I'm just repeating some of the answers posited. 20170713 22:28:56< wesnoth-discord-> Then why not drakes chaotic for this reason? 20170713 22:29:10< DeFender1031> ... 20170713 22:29:17< DeFender1031> They aren't drakes. They don't need to have the same qualities as drakes. 20170713 22:29:35< wesnoth-discord-> I think whoever answered the relevant thread has no logic in them at all 20170713 22:29:38< wesnoth-discord-> ............. 20170713 22:29:44< DeFender1031> But essentially the answer for why they were made that way is "someone thought it was a good idea" 20170713 22:29:57< DeFender1031> Probably for game balance reasons. 20170713 22:30:18< wesnoth-discord-> dragon is a campaign only unit, hows that going to matter gaming balance? 20170713 22:31:00< wesnoth-discord-> Besides, may I ask 20170713 22:31:06< wesnoth-discord-> who made dragon, at the first place? 20170713 22:31:15< DeFender1031> You think that balance doesn't matter in campaigns? 20170713 22:31:34< wesnoth-discord-> Against one singular boss unit, quite trivial 20170713 22:31:38< wesnoth-discord-> like dragon 20170713 22:31:44< DeFender1031> If the enemy is too overpowered, it's impossible to beat. Too easy and it's not a challenge. 20170713 22:32:22< DeFender1031> I'd argue the opposite, that minor discrepancies get lost when you have lost of different units, but that the boss fights need to be far more carefully balanced to be fun. 20170713 22:33:07< DeFender1031> But essentially, unless you can provide a solid reason for why it should change beyond "I don't think it makes sense", then it's unlikely that anyone will change it. 20170713 22:33:19< wesnoth-discord-> I think this went a bit far fetched. Dragon should be neutural, because they receive damage reduction on lava is quite stupid design 20170713 22:33:36< DeFender1031> what makes it stupid? 20170713 22:33:51< wesnoth-discord-> They love lava, and heat, due to their nature? 20170713 22:34:13< wesnoth-discord-> and fears cold as can be seen on their -50% resistence 20170713 22:34:24< DeFender1031> And? 20170713 22:34:36< DeFender1031> Lawful vs. chaotic isn't necessarily about heat vs. cold. 20170713 22:35:27< wesnoth-discord-> And thus such a bulky unit doing less damage on lava terrian, which in return actually gave it better dodge rate as it thrives on it, however they do more damage on cave terrians when there is no light 20170713 22:35:33< wesnoth-discord-> Yte only 30% dodge rate 20170713 22:36:00< wesnoth-discord-> During day time when it actually has better sight, it do less damage 20170713 22:36:52< DeFender1031> You know what? You're right. The dragon isn't powerful enough. Let's give it a 100% dodge rate, 99 movement, and a 15-300 attack. 20170713 22:37:12< wesnoth-discord-> You are over extending this and exaggerating... 20170713 22:38:00< wesnoth-discord-> What I mean is he should be neutral, thus its damage wont be affected by time and places, which is seen contradictory in different aspects 20170713 22:38:18< DeFender1031> I'm saying that there are times that realism in certain unit details takes a backseat to better gameplay. 20170713 22:38:21< wesnoth-discord-> e.g. caves yet less dodge rate higher/lower damage being lawful or chaotic 20170713 22:38:36< wesnoth-discord-> ok 20170713 22:39:28< DeFender1031> Especially when it's something like "this unit has this attribute for this reason, but that attribute happens to do something that seems slightly inconsistent when paired with this particular terrain" 20170713 22:40:35< DeFender1031> In general, "lawful" vs. "chaotic" refers to "diurnal" vs. "nocturnal or cave-dweller" 20170713 22:40:49< DeFender1031> dragons are cave-dwellers. 20170713 22:41:02< DeFender1031> hence, on the broader scope, chaotic makes sense. 20170713 22:41:26< DeFender1031> that lava gives a lawful bonus is a specific detail. 20170713 22:41:35< wesnoth-discord-> They are volcanic cave dwellers, not totally cave dwellers. In campaigns they are only seen around volcanic terrians inside caves 20170713 22:41:48< wesnoth-discord-> You cannot compare them to trolls, now thats a cave dweller 20170713 22:42:05< DeFender1031> true. I'm just saying, you seem very stuck on this minor detail. 20170713 22:42:32< wesnoth-discord-> fine. Forget about this... 20170713 22:42:37< wesnoth-discord-> It is trivial anyway 20170713 22:42:58< wesnoth-discord-> What changes about campaigns in the past 3 years you guys put into them? 20170713 22:43:20< wesnoth-discord-> Is northern rebirth still broke af require massive spam 40hrs play to beat to end? 20170713 22:44:07< wesnoth-discord-> and did anyone reduce the difficulty of dead waters on nightmarish 20170713 22:44:33< wesnoth-discord-> that level is insane, not barely "nightmare", some part just difficult beyond sensible 20170713 22:45:00< zookeeper> the only answer there is that you're unlikely to find anyone who actually knows/remembers the original reason for why they are chaotic, if there is one at all. 20170713 22:45:53< wesnoth-discord-> ...yeah 20170713 22:45:57< wesnoth-discord-> so 20170713 22:46:04< wesnoth-discord-> how is northern rebirth now? 20170713 22:46:20< zookeeper> probably the same as ever 20170713 22:46:24< wesnoth-discord-> ....... 20170713 22:46:31< wesnoth-discord-> 😑 20170713 22:47:06< DeFender1031> Unpopular opinion: I LIKED Northern Rebirth. 20170713 22:47:31< wesnoth-discord-> I like it too, but too much spam power and repeatetive work 20170713 22:47:53 * zookeeper calls a phrenologist to examine DeFender1031 20170713 22:47:54< DeFender1031> I only found that to be true in the first scenario, which is by design. 20170713 22:48:02< wesnoth-discord-> The Eastern Flank, and the final showdown, simply drains up 6-7 hours totally 20170713 22:48:22< DeFender1031> (It's supposed to feel like a bunch of peasants who can barely lift a weapon.) 20170713 22:48:23< zookeeper> you might also enjoy the final scenario of THoT then :> 20170713 22:48:35< wesnoth-discord-> You literally need to spam 500+ units 20170713 22:48:42< wesnoth-discord-> and run them like army ants 20170713 22:48:58< DeFender1031> zookeeper, that one lied to me! 20170713 22:49:03< wesnoth-discord-> 15 mins per round and continue this fashion in massive lag for like 20170713 22:49:05< wesnoth-discord-> a whole day 20170713 22:49:09< wesnoth-discord-> maybe two days 20170713 22:49:09< DeFender1031> zookeeper, they said I'd be safe in the light! 20170713 22:49:11< wesnoth-discord-> or 3 days 20170713 22:49:17< wesnoth-discord-> 😑 20170713 22:49:39< DeFender1031> @Flameheart, you don't like epic-sized armies and long battles? 20170713 22:50:17< wesnoth-discord-> I like them, but this 5K+ money spam needs to be somewhat rebalanced a bit 20170713 22:50:41< wesnoth-discord-> The final showdown takes more than 3 hours if you push hard and fast 20170713 22:50:47< wesnoth-discord-> if campy, could take even longer 20170713 22:50:55-!- Murgatroyd [~Vadatajs@97-127-184-159.cdrr.qwest.net] has joined #wesnoth 20170713 22:51:00-!- mthe_ [~Beowulf87@unaffiliated/mthe] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20170713 22:51:12< wesnoth-discord-> The Eastern Flank inevitably takes 6hours+ true story 20170713 22:51:20< wesnoth-discord-> since you like it you must know it as well 20170713 22:51:28< wesnoth-discord-> nightmarish difficulty, btw 20170713 22:51:33< DeFender1031> It's been a while since I played it. 20170713 22:51:43< DeFender1031> I also have only ever played on easy... 20170713 22:51:53< DeFender1031> (Confessions...) 20170713 22:52:25< wesnoth-discord-> I only play campaigns on nightmare levels because it is more instructive to save these replays 20170713 22:52:26< DeFender1031> Truth be told, I'm pretty crap at actually playing the game. It's why I'm now more interested in working on the game. 20170713 22:52:27-!- Vadatajs [~Vadatajs@63-152-100-155.cdrr.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20170713 22:52:47< wesnoth-discord-> the tactics you put into harder difficulties are most probably useful in all difficulties 20170713 22:53:10< DeFender1031> When I do play, I play for the stories more than the challenge. 20170713 22:53:20< wesnoth-discord-> I love the stories too 20170713 22:53:22< wesnoth-discord-> tbh 20170713 22:53:30< wesnoth-discord-> UTBS has BEST story 20170713 22:53:38< DeFender1031> I'd probably be buried if I attempted to join a MP game. 20170713 22:53:52< DeFender1031> ugh. UtBS is the one I liked the LEAST. 20170713 22:53:59< wesnoth-discord-> why 20170713 22:54:05< wesnoth-discord-> it is such an epic exodus 20170713 22:54:16< wesnoth-discord-> purely dramatic, and hard af 20170713 22:54:21< wesnoth-discord-> the story is epic 20170713 22:54:28< wesnoth-discord-> these elves fought so hard to be alive 20170713 22:54:37< wesnoth-discord-> to me, UtBS felt the most like it had its own epic feel and storytelling worthy of its own game to it. 20170713 22:54:42< DeFender1031> It is, but it could have been done without taking ALL THE OTHER STORIES and basically making them not matter because the world gets royally screwed anyway. 20170713 22:54:51< wesnoth-discord-> that bloody path they crafted through all the enemies 20170713 22:54:54< wesnoth-discord-> elves vs ALL 20170713 22:55:03< wesnoth-discord-> is epic 20170713 22:55:59< zookeeper> DeFender1031, i'm not bothered by that in this case, but in general i can sympathize with the sentiment. that kind of thing tends to annoy me elsewhere. 20170713 22:56:00< wesnoth-discord-> honestly I think httt is a bit rushy 20170713 22:56:01< DeFender1031> It's like "yeah, all that effort you put in to try to stop the evil, make a better life for people in wesnoth, bring peace? yeah, it all goes to shit when they drop the sun on it." 20170713 22:56:04< wesnoth-discord-> **spoiler alert** our universe will all end in the big crunch so all the stories ever told won't matter in the end anyway. :p 20170713 22:56:38< wesnoth-discord-> httt didnt put much plot on lisa and konrad's romance 20170713 22:56:47< wesnoth-discord-> actually no romance at all... 20170713 22:56:54< DeFender1031> hahahah "lisa". 20170713 22:56:58< wesnoth-discord-> this part is confusing for me and feels lacking 20170713 22:57:04< wesnoth-discord-> lol what was her name btw 20170713 22:57:08< wesnoth-discord-> forgot it long ago 20170713 22:57:14< wesnoth-discord-> lesa? 20170713 22:57:15< DeFender1031> Lisar 20170713 22:57:24< wesnoth-discord-> whatever, ya know what I mean 20170713 22:57:28< wesnoth-discord-> 😅 20170713 22:57:48< wesnoth-discord-> konrad 20170713 22:57:58< DeFender1031> er, Li'sar 20170713 22:58:01< DeFender1031> with a ' 20170713 22:58:41< wesnoth-discord-> dumb name lets just call her lisa 😄 20170713 22:59:02< wesnoth-discord-> I think HTTT should add some plots between lisar and konrad 20170713 22:59:03< DeFender1031> I just thought it was funny because I thought of a person I know named "lisa" instead. 20170713 22:59:15< wesnoth-discord-> they just seem...suddenly allied with each other, and married 20170713 22:59:19< wesnoth-discord-> nothing explained at all 20170713 22:59:24< wesnoth-discord-> wtf is that lol 20170713 22:59:27< wesnoth-discord-> 😅 20170713 22:59:45< DeFender1031> I think some work actually has been put into that dialogue about a year go. 20170713 22:59:50< DeFender1031> ago* 20170713 22:59:52< wesnoth-discord-> really 20170713 22:59:58< wesnoth-discord-> Then I should redo it again 20170713 23:00:04< zookeeper> well if you can come up with something to improve that without it feeling really tacked-on, then by all means... 20170713 23:00:26< DeFender1031> I dunno, it made sense to me. 20170713 23:00:44< wesnoth-discord-> they should give delfador some buff in HTTT btw 20170713 23:00:50< wesnoth-discord-> it sucks 20170713 23:00:53< zookeeper> and no i don't think anything's really changed WRT that 20170713 23:01:02< DeFender1031> @flameheart what do you mean? 20170713 23:01:08< wesnoth-discord-> less damage than lv4 mage, no heal, less hp, but strangely run fast 20170713 23:01:19< wesnoth-discord-> He used to be able to heal 20170713 23:01:24< wesnoth-discord-> in his own campaign 20170713 23:01:41< DeFender1031> I don't recall him being able to heal, even in DM 20170713 23:01:45< wesnoth-discord-> and 16-4 damage to match a lv4 mage 20170713 23:01:52< wesnoth-discord-> he can heal +4 in DM 20170713 23:02:22< wesnoth-discord-> and btw, most importantly 20170713 23:02:24< wesnoth-discord-> LEADERSHIP 20170713 23:02:28< wesnoth-discord-> he has leadership in DM 20170713 23:02:32< wesnoth-discord-> and lost it in HTTT lol 20170713 23:02:34< wesnoth-discord-> 😅 20170713 23:02:43< wesnoth-discord-> the older delfador in httt has NO leadership 20170713 23:02:50< wesnoth-discord-> he used to have it when he was younger 20170713 23:02:54< wesnoth-discord-> 😂 20170713 23:03:40< zookeeper> well you have to blame DM for that, not HttT 20170713 23:03:55< wesnoth-discord-> DM is made later than HTTT, I guess? 20170713 23:04:09< zookeeper> we could tweak the dialogue to make him seem much more senile, maybe that would explain it? 20170713 23:04:19< zookeeper> yes, much later 20170713 23:04:22< DeFender1031> huh... he does have heal in DM. Odd, I hadn't recalled that. 20170713 23:04:33< wesnoth-discord-> I just feel giving the protagonist mage a leadership would be better 20170713 23:04:42< wesnoth-discord-> can you add it for him, zookeeper? 20170713 23:04:58< wesnoth-discord-> which would make him special and provide more gameplay choices in HTTT as well 20170713 23:05:21< wesnoth-discord-> instead of just a one-shot kill meatshield for konrad in early game and anti-magicals 20170713 23:06:14< DeFender1031> btw, zookeeper, I'm wondering why the "screw you, none of it mattered anyway" doesn't bother you in this particular case? 20170713 23:06:22< DeFender1031> (In therms of UtBS) 20170713 23:06:46< wesnoth-discord-> do they in wesnoth even say "screw you"? 20170713 23:06:54< zookeeper> DeFender1031, impossible to say at this point 20170713 23:06:59< wesnoth-discord-> I think they say "damn" more often 20170713 23:07:31< zookeeper> DeFender1031, maybe i got accustomed to it before i was really particularly invested or interested in the overall story/timelines 20170713 23:08:33< wesnoth-discord-> dat leadership in DM is quite laughable btw 20170713 23:08:44< wesnoth-discord-> delfador can lead undead 20170713 23:09:05< wesnoth-discord-> give them 175% against thugs and thieves 20170713 23:09:28-!- Bonobo [~Bonobo@203.63.51.218] has joined #wesnoth 20170713 23:10:10< wesnoth-discord-> but DM is quit frustrating tbh, most units you ranked are lost for good in different stages because you work for different parties atm 20170713 23:10:41< wesnoth-discord-> cool fact of this game is you rank and bank units....but the story took those units away from you so it is kinda hard to accept 20170713 23:11:37< zookeeper> how many times does that happen in DM anyway? i don't recall 20170713 23:12:42< wesnoth-discord-> 3 times I think, the loyalist you ranked in early games are gone for good, later the undead 20170713 23:13:08< wesnoth-discord-> The game actually starts at Pathryn, where you start to rank and bank elves.... 20170713 23:13:16< wesnoth-discord-> that was like 20170713 23:13:22< wesnoth-discord-> ...pretty late stage 20170713 23:14:10< zookeeper> yeah, losing recalls is annoying. but if/when the story was written that way, there's no easy ways to fix it. 20170713 23:14:49< wesnoth-discord-> Indeed. Thats how this campaign is DM instead of else 20170713 23:15:06< wesnoth-discord-> each individual campaign is totally different in style of play and storytelling 20170713 23:15:07< DeFender1031> I just see is a basically three mini-campaigns. 20170713 23:15:10< wesnoth-discord-> which makes wesnoth a great game 20170713 23:15:37< DeFender1031> "Memiors" is plural, after all. 20170713 23:15:44< DeFender1031> :P 20170713 23:15:56< wesnoth-discord-> I usually rush for spear horse spam go paladin sword 20170713 23:16:03< wesnoth-discord-> waste them as much as I can before they expire 20170713 23:16:17< wesnoth-discord-> then spam ghouls and ghosts for transition 20170713 23:16:24< DeFender1031> And yes, it's nice that there are a lot of different styles. 20170713 23:16:39< wesnoth-discord-> when elf stage start I use shaman and fighter spam 20170713 23:16:49< wesnoth-discord-> I didnt see much use of archer... 20170713 23:16:51< wesnoth-discord-> archer sucks 20170713 23:16:53< wesnoth-discord-> 😅 20170713 23:16:58< wesnoth-discord-> cant tank much 20170713 23:17:11< wesnoth-discord-> less damage than elf witches too 20170713 23:17:37< wesnoth-discord-> I literally spammed all witches to mow down the orc horde to save the king btw 20170713 23:30:18< wesnoth-discord-> can someone working on mainataing northern rebirth add some changes to mission 2? 20170713 23:30:33< wesnoth-discord-> I found that one particularly hard to finish within the given time 20170713 23:30:57< wesnoth-discord-> probably need an additional 5-8 rounds on each level of difficulty 20170713 23:31:35-!- edaq [~edaq3@h69-21-227-85.cytnin.broadband.dynamic.tds.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20170713 23:32:21< wesnoth-discord-> actually, only nightmare difficulty 20170713 23:32:59< wesnoth-discord-> it probably needs 5-8 more rounds for more solid, less luck-based/SL play 20170713 23:34:52< wesnoth-discord-> @irc-bridge ↑ please forward this to IRC 20170713 23:37:18-!- zookeeper [~lmsnie@wesnoth/developer/zookeeper] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 20170713 23:45:57-!- ancientcc [~ancientcc@112.64.217.89] has joined #wesnoth 20170713 23:49:46-!- ancientcc [~ancientcc@112.64.217.89] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20170713 23:54:54-!- celticminstrel [~celmin@unaffiliated/celticminstrel] has joined #wesnoth --- Log closed Fri Jul 14 00:00:38 2017