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20170916 00:31:35< vultraz> celticminstrel: no release in 24 hours
20170916 00:31:47< celticminstrel> ???
20170916 00:32:09< celticminstrel> That sounds like you're saying there isn't a release.
20170916 00:32:41< celticminstrel> Also, why 24 hours? Shouldn't it be closer to 48 hours?
20170916 00:32:47< vultraz> no.
20170916 00:32:49< vultraz> well
20170916 00:33:10< vultraz> it might *now* be closer to 48 hours since im pushing it back a little bit
20170916 00:33:14< vultraz> ill be traveling 
20170916 00:33:26< celticminstrel> So you are saying the release is postponed?
20170916 00:33:27< vultraz> so i can't preside over the release in 24 hours
20170916 00:33:37< vultraz> celticminstrel: yes. only by a day or two.
20170916 00:33:56< celticminstrel> Well, this does give us time to update changelogs and release notes. I might have a few things to add there.
20170916 00:34:07< vultraz> yes
20170916 00:34:17< vultraz> might want to mention stuff like the improved addon manager
20170916 00:34:21< vultraz> campaign sorting
20170916 00:34:22< vultraz> etc e
20170916 00:34:24< vultraz> tc
20170916 00:34:35< celticminstrel> Want me to add stuff relevant to your commits then?
20170916 00:35:03< celticminstrel> Normally I just look at my own commits, but I could check yours too if you want.
20170916 00:35:09< vultraz> yes
20170916 00:35:13< vultraz> please do
20170916 00:35:28< vultraz> im flying back to the US for a funeral so I'll be busy the next few days
20170916 00:41:46< vultraz> for the record
20170916 00:41:50< vultraz> the thing isn't working
20170916 00:41:52< vultraz> the field change
20170916 00:42:08< celticminstrel> :(
20170916 00:43:01< vultraz> the staked widget find change DID work, though
20170916 00:43:27< vultraz> ill have my laptop with me, ill get that in before the release
20170916 00:45:54< celticminstrel> :(
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20170916 01:23:37< shadowm> AI0867: Sorry, I forgot. Yes, tomorrow would be okay.
20170916 01:23:46< shadowm> vultraz: Do me a favor and remind me on Discord.
20170916 01:23:51< shadowm> To look at IRC tomorrow.
20170916 01:24:08< shadowm> Try to remind me around 13:00 UTC.
20170916 01:24:14< shadowm> NOT NOW.
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20170916 10:01:52< irker601> wesnoth: Alexander van Gessel wesnoth:master b2ff8ca78300 / src/filesystem_sdl.cpp: Only release unique_ptr when ownership is transferred https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/b2ff8ca783003f0d736717b3258735a437006aa5
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20170916 11:23:25< zookeeper> Bhoren, definitely not up to date, although i didn't go through the list to check each item.
20170916 11:25:10< zookeeper> anything in particular you want to know?
20170916 11:27:14< Bhoren> hi zookeeper 
20170916 11:27:52< Bhoren> I'd like to know some things, yeah, but I got to go. Will you be there in about 4H?
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20170916 11:28:54< zookeeper> Bhoren, probably. or 5.
20170916 11:29:43< Bhoren> Ok, then I'll ask later. Thank you and good bye
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20170916 11:30:17< zookeeper> oh come on, how did i miss the fact that the giant spider portrait has 0,0,0,2 for a background...
20170916 11:37:41< zookeeper> i probably wouldn't have even noticed if i hadn't been browsing the unit help pages with a display on which i haven't calibrated the brightness yet
20170916 11:41:39< irker601> wesnoth: ln-zookeeper wesnoth:master d9ee839c8672 / data/core/images/portraits/monsters/giant-spider.png: Fixed non-zero alpha background in Giant Spider portrait https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/d9ee839c867245961ed22f89a8c458875f1718be
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20170916 12:17:38< travis-ci> wesnoth/wesnoth#15024 (master - b2ff8ca : Alexander van Gessel): The build was broken.
20170916 12:17:38< travis-ci> Build details : https://travis-ci.org/wesnoth/wesnoth/builds/276212461
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20170916 12:18:07< travis-ci> AI0867/wesnoth#12 (rwops_ptr - 5af2c44 : Alexander van Gessel): The build passed.
20170916 12:18:07< travis-ci> Build details : https://travis-ci.org/AI0867/wesnoth/builds/276208129
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20170916 15:02:53< Bhoren> hi
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20170916 15:06:07< celticminstrel> zookeeper: Do you think the translatability fix for the HTTT clans scenario is changelog-worthy?
20170916 15:06:33< celticminstrel> Basically, ensuring it uses plural strings for the countdown so that it can be grammatically correct in non-English languages.
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20170916 15:10:05< shadowm> AI0867: Hi.
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20170916 15:12:48< shadowm> Also when I said 13:00 UTC I meant 15:00 UTC, oops.
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20170916 15:27:20< shadowm> mailman.wesnoth.org gives me a 301 into /listinfo but mailman.wesnoth.org/listinfo gives me a 503.
20170916 15:27:56< shadowm> So I feel like I'm doing it right on the Apache side but something goes wrong with the mailman software itself.
20170916 15:29:10< shadowm> So, looking into /etc/mailman/mm_cfg.py I see that FOR SOME REASON it has such things as a "default URL host".
20170916 15:29:22< shadowm> Implying there can be more than one "URL host".
20170916 15:30:11< shadowm> Changing DEFAULT_URL_HOST to mailman.wesnoth.org doesn't seem to fix the issue anyway.
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20170916 15:32:42< shadowm> AI0867: Where can I get some kind of error log?
20170916 15:32:49< shadowm> I need to see what that 503 is about.
20170916 15:33:58< shadowm> All Apache knows is `HTTP: failed to make connection to backend: 192.168.1.5` (but obviously the initial 301 is coming from somewhere, so...).
20170916 15:35:10< shadowm> Actually, wait, there's no initial 301.
20170916 15:35:21< shadowm> Firefox got that cached at some point. *facepalms*
20170916 15:37:01< shadowm>     (UNKNOWN) [192.168.1.5] 80 (http) : Connection refused
20170916 15:37:05< shadowm> Okay what?
20170916 15:37:19< shadowm> Is the firewall more strict than I expected?
20170916 15:37:58< shadowm> NEVER MIND. My fault.
20170916 15:38:10< shadowm> It's the lighttpd config I used that's too strict.
20170916 15:38:31< shadowm> Well, http://mailman.wesnoth.org/listinfo looks lovely now.
20170916 15:38:36< shadowm> AI0867: What next?
20170916 15:39:30< shadowm> "If you are having trouble using the lists, please contact mailman@192.168.1.5." Oh yeaaahhh I'll be sure to do that.
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20170916 15:42:21< irker861> wesnoth: Celtic Minstrel wesnoth:master d79d4edb7749 / changelog: Resort changelog to keep headings other than "misc" alphabetical https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/d79d4edb7749a3e29f660dc5bf6f34cccc81b7ca
20170916 15:42:21< irker861> wesnoth: Celtic Minstrel wesnoth:master 1a354d0c9610 / changelog: Update changelog https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/1a354d0c9610f94f4bcae0ac6eab4ee68392526d
20170916 15:42:22< irker861> wesnoth: Celtic Minstrel wesnoth:master 5e1d06a064a5 / changelog: Rewrap changelog to 80 columns https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/5e1d06a064a53d9c91b225ddf4d7177fb8bd446c
20170916 15:43:19< AI0867> shadowm: okay, what's the current state? Is it reachable from outside?
20170916 15:45:36< shadowm> You can check?
20170916 15:45:44< shadowm> Just look at what it says.
20170916 15:47:20< shadowm> This is important, btw.
20170916 15:47:27< shadowm> I need you to look at it and see what you can do.
20170916 15:49:54< Bhoren> zookeeper: What kind of art do you need for Wesnoth right now?
20170916 15:54:35< AI0867> well, wesnoth.org:1580 works fine for me, but is HTTP-only
20170916 15:54:54< AI0867> mailman.wesnoth.org does need some changes, yes
20170916 15:56:27< shadowm> AI0867: Stop using wesnoth.org:1580.
20170916 15:56:48< shadowm> We already went over it, it's ruined by the HSTS header from wesnoth.org if you've been to the latter using TLS even *once*.
20170916 15:56:59< shadowm> AI0867: I want us to use mailman.wesnoth.org.
20170916 15:57:53< shadowm> (Also, to be clear, I mean wesnoth.org, not www.wesnoth.org.)
20170916 15:58:15< shadowm> (That's another issue that irks me a lot.)
20170916 16:05:36< irker861> shikadilord: Ignacio R. Morelle valen:master 206b36e1267a / bin/valen.pl: valen: Handle multiline [message] responses from campaign correctly https://github.com/shikadilord/valen/commit/206b36e1267a69348b62a1dfe519259ce76c3603
20170916 16:05:38< irker861> shikadilord: Ignacio R. Morelle valen:master ad44e0a955d6 / bin/valen.pl: valen: Stop probing server instances other than 1.12 from basilic https://github.com/shikadilord/valen/commit/ad44e0a955d6c53c58662bde7f76170091b22e30
20170916 16:07:36< AI0867> I know
20170916 16:08:08< AI0867> how is the forwarding happening?
20170916 16:08:28< shadowm> ProxyPass/ProxyPassReverse on Apache.
20170916 16:08:50< shadowm> You have access there I think so you can check /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/mailman.wesnoth.org.conf
20170916 16:12:28< AI0867> I don't have root I think, but I do have a user account on that VM
20170916 16:12:40< shadowm> Well if you need any changes you can tell me what you need.
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20170916 17:19:30< EliDupree> Ugh, trying to build 1.13.8 on Debian Jessie
20170916 17:20:23< EliDupree> The package manager's SDL version is just a couple versions too old and so I guess I might have to build 4 SDL libraries from source :-(
20170916 17:20:46< EliDupree> according to https://wiki.wesnoth.org/CompilingWesnoth
20170916 17:24:08< shadowm> It should be enough to build SDL, actually.
20170916 17:24:42< shadowm> Unless upstream is doing it wrong, all 2.0.x versions should be ABI-compatible.
20170916 17:25:18< EliDupree> that helps
20170916 17:27:55< zookeeper> celticminstrel, if you think someone would seriously care about the issue that much... personally i doubt it
20170916 17:28:48< zookeeper> Bhoren, what portraits we need, or really art in general?
20170916 17:29:59< Bhoren> zookeeper: In general, but I can't do pixel-art
20170916 17:30:05< zookeeper> there's gaps in all areas really, and it's hard to put them in any particular order of importance. the things i'd suggest for a new artist would greatly depend on what sort of art they can do.
20170916 17:31:12< zookeeper> Bhoren, okay, well, do you have any samples you can link to right now? just to give me an idea of what sort of things might be a good fit for you
20170916 17:31:32< Bhoren> Yes, just wait a few seconds, gonna mp that to you
20170916 17:31:51< zookeeper> sure
20170916 17:32:42< EliDupree> I installed SDL2.0.5 from source and sdl-image from my package manager but cmake is complaining that it can't find SDL-image
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20170916 17:46:03< vultraz> Ah nevermind
20170916 17:46:04< vultraz> Old log
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20170916 18:06:59< EliDupree> Well, I had to install the other SDL libs, but it ended up being easy – main build in progress :-)
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20170916 18:11:10< AI0867> https://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2010-September/070286.html ← this helpe
20170916 18:11:13< AI0867> d
20170916 18:11:50< AI0867> shadowm: now we just need an SSL certificate for mailman.wesnoth.org
20170916 18:12:01< AI0867> should I run cerbot on the mail VM?
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20170916 18:47:11< shadowm> AI0867: I don't know, maybe ask Rhonda? She set up our Let's Encrypt certificates on the web VM.
20170916 18:47:57< shadowm> I don't think Apache can deal with encryption without the backend server's involvement, can it?
20170916 18:49:06< shadowm> Also, are there valid URLs not under /listinfo for mailman?
20170916 18:49:43< shadowm> It seems really silly that / is a 301 forward to /listinfo.
20170916 18:53:51< shadowm> I should be able to change that on the Apache side if there's no reason to allow URLs outside /listinfo.
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20170916 19:05:21< Rhonda> AI0867, shadowm: Is that urgent?  I'm currently in hospital and it might take a bit until I have proper internet again …
20170916 19:05:47< shadowm> Rhonda: It's not urgent at all, don't worry.
20170916 19:06:02< shadowm> Take care.
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20170916 19:24:30< EliDupree> Hmm... My current code reads from global lua variables to check whether they've been initialized yet. 1.13.8 complains that they "must be assigned before being used" – is there a proper way to check whether they've been assigned now?
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20170916 19:26:38< AI0867> shadowm: actually, I suspect encrypting the front end is sufficient. The reverse proxy bit might be fine as it is
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20170916 19:34:55< vultraz> EliDupree: why not initialize them with a default value
20170916 19:35:11< EliDupree> vultraz: That would overwrite their value if they were already initialized
20170916 19:36:06< vultraz> I mean declare them somewhere with a 0 or a nil (does lua allow assignment to nil?) before assigning anything and later check if not that value.
20170916 19:36:25< EliDupree> That wouldn't be a problem if I knew which part of my code will be executed first, but this is where code might be run in either an era, modification, or scenario
20170916 19:36:52< EliDupree> So I literally don't have a place in my code where I know for sure other code hasn't run first
20170916 19:38:15< EliDupree> Most of my code can wait until it knows things have been initialized, but there's this bootstrapping thing to deal with.
20170916 19:45:44< EliDupree> Hang on, I already dealt with this by having a WML variable check to make sure the initialization code only runs once. So the Lua global variable check is redundant.
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20170916 20:06:08< gfgtdf> how do i set a maximum size for a image so that it scealed down if it's larger? I want to scale the campaigns image in the tiny mp create sceeen
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20170916 20:16:51< gfgtdf> I think it'd be nice if we could remove the 'random map settings' button and instead have the settigns directly in the 'custom options' tab
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20170916 20:23:43< EliDupree> Whee, fixed all EoHS's immediately game-breaking incompatibilities with 1.13
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20170916 20:38:56< gfgtdf> were there many ?
20170916 20:42:24< EliDupree> – The global variable access thing I mentioned
20170916 20:42:24< EliDupree> – EoHS referred to macros from gui/default/macros/_initial.cfg, which moved and renamed a few of its macros
20170916 20:42:24< EliDupree> – the color_range syntax became more strict
20170916 20:42:24< EliDupree> – EoHS assumed that unit tables always have [modifications] and [status] subtags, but that changed
20170916 20:42:24< EliDupree> That's all of them
20170916 20:43:51< sigurdfd> gfgtdf: I think so, if you're including the regenerate button with it.
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20170916 20:53:29< gfgtdf> EliDupree: iirc we reverts the modification & status change for  1.13.9 since it borke multiple addons
20170916 20:53:35< gfgtdf> reverted
20170916 20:53:41< EliDupree> heh
20170916 20:53:59< EliDupree> Either way it's easy for me to adapt to it
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20170916 21:44:51< EliDupree> … The "your stuff must be GPL" dialog has visible <b> tags in it. Known issue?
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20170916 21:58:09< shadowm> EliDupree: It'll be fixed in the next development release.
20170916 21:58:32< EliDupree> cool
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20170916 23:26:00< EliDupree> Now I'm bummed out because I have all these features I wanted to make for 1.13 but who's going to play with them :-(
20170916 23:28:56< sevu> It's preparation for 1.14
20170916 23:31:17< EliDupree> I suppose
20170916 23:31:34< EliDupree> Which will be ready on the usual schedule of course :-P
20170916 23:32:56< sevu> Fedora already ships 1.13, not 1.12
20170916 23:34:13< sevu> but I guess that doesn't help since your add-on is for multiplayer
20170916 23:43:50< EliDupree> Hmm, my wml_messages with logger=err aren't showing up in the commandline output anymore. Was there a change in the default behavior?
20170916 23:48:58< gfgtdf> EliDupree: not that i know of
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