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Talk about diminishing returns." He also notes that one publisher allegedly released over 100 games in the first two months of Steam Direct, making it "hard to understand the actual impact on real [developers]." 20170921 13:30:39< wesnoth-discord-> wow 20170921 14:09:53-!- vultraz [uid24821@wesnoth/developer/vultraz] has joined #wesnoth 20170921 14:10:46-!- sevu [~Shiki@p5485493B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #wesnoth 20170921 14:20:24-!- rotah_ [rotah@dyk224.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #wesnoth 20170921 14:23:27-!- rotah [rotah@aglw165.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 20170921 14:35:44-!- Kwandulin [~Kwandulin@pD9FD50F1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20170921 14:37:34< wesnoth-discord-> Wow indeed 20170921 15:16:54-!- sevu [~Shiki@p5485493B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20170921 15:21:55-!- Kwandulin [~Kwandulin@pD9FD50F1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #wesnoth 20170921 15:57:36-!- vn971 [~vasya@94.158.103.15] has joined #wesnoth 20170921 16:06:41< wesnoth-discord-> Honestly Valve has really failed to impress me 20170921 16:07:00< wesnoth-discord-> They know they have a problem with poor content 20170921 16:07:58< wesnoth-discord-> But instead of actually addressing the issue, they chose a path that increases their own monetization potential 20170921 16:08:31< wesnoth-discord-> And the holistic approach is confused at best 20170921 16:08:50< wesnoth-discord-> Most likely they don't view it as a problem. Their "solution" is to add more tools to discover good games, such as curators. 20170921 16:09:01< wesnoth-discord-> Go craft a steam badge. Oh look, you get a random coupon for a cheap game! 20170921 16:09:27< wesnoth-discord-> 9 times out of 10 that's going be eyes on a terrible game 20170921 16:09:35-!- Kranix [~magnus@xd520f683.cust.hiper.dk] has joined #wesnoth 20170921 16:13:29< wesnoth-discord-> yeah, pretty much. These days I either (very occasionally) look at games that Steam lists as similar, but usually I've been relying on another site that does reviews rather than try to use Steam to find games directly. 20170921 16:14:43< wesnoth-discord-> I'll browse games during a Steam sale, but otherwise I go based off YouTube reviewers or word of mouth. 20170921 16:15:02< wesnoth-discord-> I still read a traditional gaming magazine for that. There is not one, but two active gaming magazines still active in Finland. I subscibe the larger one. 20170921 16:15:20< wesnoth-discord-> (Two magazines is a high number considering that only 5 million people live here.) 20170921 16:15:48< aeth> The problem with Steam only filtering for quality is... what if you want to search for something really specific, like chariot racing or whatever, and you're stuck with that bad chariot racing game as the result? 20170921 16:16:23< aeth> http://store.steampowered.com/search/?term=chariot 20170921 16:16:35< aeth> Chariot is not a game about chariot racing. CHARIOT WARS is trash. 20170921 16:16:49< wesnoth-discord-> Also, I'm on linux, and the steam storefront still shows games that don't run on linux. 20170921 16:16:51< wesnoth-discord-> >.> 20170921 16:16:54< aeth> So right there, the first relevant result (result #2) leads you right back into the trash if you search for an obscure enough theme 20170921 16:17:18< aeth> For posterity, I'm talking about this: http://store.steampowered.com/app/365460/CHARIOT_WARS/ 20170921 16:17:36< aeth> When it doesn't even look good in the screenshots it's trash 20170921 16:18:31< wesnoth-discord-> If Valve filtered games themselves, it would be easy to imagine indie developers complaining "evil Valve doesn't give us a chance! 😢 " Likely it would even be justified for some of them. 20170921 16:19:27-!- vultraz [uid24821@wesnoth/developer/vultraz] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 20170921 16:20:24< wesnoth-discord-> I mean, yes, but then there's people like the ones behind Digital Homicide, for which there's no excuse. 20170921 16:20:31< wesnoth-discord-> aeth: but but but it says high quality right there in the description! 20170921 16:24:29-!- _Anna_ [~Anna@adsl-94.37.6.0.tellas.gr] has joined #wesnoth 20170921 16:24:32-!- _Anna_ [~Anna@adsl-94.37.6.0.tellas.gr] has left #wesnoth [] 20170921 16:27:20< wesnoth-discord-> So far, Valve's approach can be summed up as "we'll let literally everybody distribute games on Steam, and just let the community sort through them". 20170921 16:35:21-!- Kwandulin [~Kwandulin@pD9FD50F1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20170921 16:55:50-!- sigurdfd [~SigurdFD@dynamic-acs-72-23-110-196.zoominternet.net] has joined #wesnoth 20170921 16:59:19-!- rotah_ [rotah@dyk224.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has left #wesnoth ["Memento mori."] 20170921 17:00:53-!- Ivanovic [~ivanovic@p4FC53858.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #wesnoth 20170921 17:01:43-!- Ivanovic [~ivanovic@p4FC53858.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Changing host] 20170921 17:01:43-!- Ivanovic [~ivanovic@wesnoth/developer/ivanovic] has joined #wesnoth 20170921 17:02:07-!- Ivanovic [~ivanovic@wesnoth/developer/ivanovic] has quit [Client Quit] 20170921 17:12:53-!- sevu [~Shiki@p5485493B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #wesnoth 20170921 17:46:41-!- cyphase [~cyphase@unaffiliated/cyphase] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 20170921 17:47:03-!- Haudegen [~quassel@212-186-77-29.static.upcbusiness.at] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20170921 17:52:05-!- Bhoren [~Bhoren_wh@2a01:e0a:c:2150:9cb1:93d1:e4a3:d748] has joined #wesnoth 20170921 18:04:47-!- louis94 [~~louis94@121.83-247-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #wesnoth 20170921 18:05:10-!- Ivanovic [~ivanovic@p4FC53858.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #wesnoth 20170921 18:05:18-!- Ivanovic [~ivanovic@p4FC53858.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Changing host] 20170921 18:05:18-!- Ivanovic [~ivanovic@wesnoth/developer/ivanovic] has joined #wesnoth 20170921 18:18:37-!- Ivanovic [~ivanovic@wesnoth/developer/ivanovic] has quit [Quit: Caught sigterm, terminating...] 20170921 18:19:04-!- vultraz [uid24821@wesnoth/developer/vultraz] has joined #wesnoth 20170921 18:19:49< wesnoth-discord-> Yeah, discoverability is going to get a lot harder on Steam 20170921 18:22:21-!- Bhoren [~Bhoren_wh@2a01:e0a:c:2150:9cb1:93d1:e4a3:d748] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20170921 18:34:02< wesnoth-discord-> @jyrkive 5 million in the entire country? 20170921 18:34:16< wesnoth-discord-> Yes. 20170921 18:35:03< wesnoth-discord-> that's less than the population of New York City O_O 20170921 18:35:55< wesnoth-discord-> (which is 8.5 million) 20170921 18:38:35< wesnoth-discord-> @Vultraz there are plenty of countries with populations of that magnitude. 20170921 18:39:27< wesnoth-discord-> true, true 20170921 18:39:29< wesnoth-discord-> e.g. Denmark. Or New Zealand. 20170921 18:39:33< wesnoth-discord-> Right. Just south of us is Estonia, with only one million inhabitants. 20170921 18:51:54-!- Narrat [~Narrat@p2E5112AC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #wesnoth 20170921 18:57:58-!- louis94 [~~louis94@121.83-247-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20170921 19:23:23-!- Ivanovic [~ivanovic@p4FC53858.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #wesnoth 20170921 19:27:17-!- cyphase [~cyphase@unaffiliated/cyphase] has joined #wesnoth 20170921 19:28:23-!- Ivanovic [~ivanovic@p4FC53858.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Changing host] 20170921 19:28:23-!- Ivanovic [~ivanovic@wesnoth/developer/ivanovic] has joined #wesnoth 20170921 19:34:45-!- Haudegen [~quassel@212-186-77-29.static.upcbusiness.at] has joined #wesnoth 20170921 19:42:58-!- Ivanovic [~ivanovic@wesnoth/developer/ivanovic] has quit [Quit: Caught sigterm, terminating...] 20170921 19:44:39-!- Kranix [~magnus@xd520f683.cust.hiper.dk] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 20170921 19:57:50< wesnoth-discord-> New York City is the largest city of a county of over 300 million, though 😛 of course it is huge 20170921 19:58:00< wesnoth-discord-> Austria has 8 million nowadays 20170921 20:01:35-!- Ivanovic [~ivanovic@p4FC53858.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #wesnoth 20170921 20:02:31< elias> depends if they still count me, otherwise its 1 less 20170921 20:02:44-!- Ivanovic [~ivanovic@p4FC53858.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Changing host] 20170921 20:02:44-!- Ivanovic [~ivanovic@wesnoth/developer/ivanovic] has joined #wesnoth 20170921 20:02:59-!- Ivanovic [~ivanovic@wesnoth/developer/ivanovic] has quit [Client Quit] 20170921 20:03:30-!- Ivanovic [~ivanovic@p4FC53858.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #wesnoth 20170921 20:03:52-!- Ivanovic [~ivanovic@p4FC53858.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Changing host] 20170921 20:03:52-!- Ivanovic [~ivanovic@wesnoth/developer/ivanovic] has joined #wesnoth 20170921 20:10:35-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20170921 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think 20170921 20:16:24< wesnoth-discord-> So there's gonna be a lot more 10mil countries than 100mil 20170921 20:16:26-!- Ivanovic [~ivanovic@p4FC53858.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #wesnoth 20170921 20:17:10-!- Ivanovic [~ivanovic@p4FC53858.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Changing host] 20170921 20:17:10-!- Ivanovic [~ivanovic@wesnoth/developer/ivanovic] has joined #wesnoth 20170921 20:19:32-!- Ivanovic [~ivanovic@wesnoth/developer/ivanovic] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 20170921 20:19:48-!- Ivanovic [~ivanovic@p4FC53858.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #wesnoth 20170921 20:20:29-!- Ivanovic [~ivanovic@p4FC53858.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Changing host] 20170921 20:20:29-!- Ivanovic [~ivanovic@wesnoth/developer/ivanovic] has joined #wesnoth 20170921 20:22:54-!- Ivanovic [~ivanovic@wesnoth/developer/ivanovic] has quit [Client Quit] 20170921 20:23:15-!- Ivanovic [~ivanovic@p4FC53858.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #wesnoth 20170921 20:23:49-!- Ivanovic 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Linux... isn't it a brilliant idea? 20170921 21:38:25< loonycyborg> it's a lot easier to port a linux only game to windows than the other way around 20170921 21:38:44-!- vultraz [uid24821@wesnoth/developer/vultraz] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 20170921 21:39:02< loonycyborg> ilike you'd probably be using something like opengl and that's supported on windows too 20170921 21:39:49< wesnoth-discord-> @Saran Probably because Windows has the vast majority of the gaming market. 20170921 21:40:18< loonycyborg> absolutely nothing prevents someone dedicated enough to make something linux only 20170921 21:40:34< loonycyborg> but it's matter of time til someone else ports it to windows 20170921 21:40:47< wesnoth-discord-> true, but not many games on Steam fall into that category, I'd imagine 20170921 21:40:51< loonycyborg> like there are lots of ports of even nethack like games to windows 20170921 21:41:02< loonycyborg> even though they were historically staple unix 20170921 21:42:39< wesnoth-discord-> Valve has done a lot to help linux gaming in general though. They even have a few developers working on the open source AMD driver. 20170921 21:43:43< loonycyborg> they're refusing to make anything linux exclusive though 20170921 21:44:30< wesnoth-discord-> I mean, nobody who cares about making money would do that. 20170921 21:44:52< loonycyborg> well if you think about it 20170921 21:44:59< loonycyborg> if you're involved in gaming 20170921 21:45:04< wesnoth-discord-> plus, even if they were to do that, they'd need to get their SteamOS in a better place. 20170921 21:45:07< loonycyborg> then you're not interested in money 20170921 21:45:17< loonycyborg> at least not only in money 20170921 21:45:27-!- Technaton [~eveith@2a01:4f8:191:7396:2::133] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20170921 21:46:07< wesnoth-discord-> But something needs to pay the bills, unless it's just a side project or a hobby 20170921 21:47:01< loonycyborg> well if you do purely game development then you're living on donations 20170921 21:47:01< wesnoth-discord-> And given that there are things like OpenGL around, it makes even less sense 20170921 21:47:14< loonycyborg> even if you frame it as "game sales" it's still donations 20170921 21:48:02-!- Falcon` [falcon@ip248.ip-5-196-244.eu] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20170921 21:48:08< wesnoth-discord-> err... if I buy a game from someone, I'm exchanging money for a product. I don't think that can be considered a donation. 20170921 21:48:37< loonycyborg> it can be because it's not a product 20170921 21:49:07< wesnoth-discord-> No, a game is a product 20170921 21:49:08< loonycyborg> you're buying merely a license 20170921 21:49:12< wesnoth-discord-> I feel like we're not quite talking about the same thing anymore 20170921 21:49:32< wesnoth-discord-> Even if you consider it the buying of a license, it is a service, and people pay for services all the time 20170921 21:49:40< loonycyborg> it's not a service either 20170921 21:49:51< loonycyborg> because it costs nothing for them to allow you to run it 20170921 21:49:55< loonycyborg> if you're using own hardware 20170921 21:50:03< wesnoth-discord-> that's not really true 20170921 21:50:19< wesnoth-discord-> the marginal cost may be zero but the sunk cost is far from zero 20170921 21:50:45< wesnoth-discord-> that is, games cost to develop, even if they don't cost significantly to distribute online 20170921 21:50:49< loonycyborg> it's irrelevant 20170921 21:51:08< loonycyborg> because there's no connection to sunk costs 20170921 21:51:46< wesnoth-discord-> Well I can see where the loony part comes from now 20170921 21:51:57< wesnoth-discord-> But if you end up spending more to make the game than you get back, then that's not going work. And linux is still less than 1% of the gaming market. 20170921 21:52:21< wesnoth-discord-> also, @Dragokiir oi, don't insult people. 20170921 21:52:22-!- Technaton [~eveith@2a01:4f8:191:7396:2::133] has joined #wesnoth 20170921 21:52:31< wesnoth-discord-> Sorry 20170921 21:52:35< wesnoth-discord-> of course there's a connection to sunk costs 20170921 21:52:36< wesnoth-discord-> Deleted 20170921 21:52:49< wesnoth-discord-> It won't get deleted from the IRC side, just fyi 20170921 21:53:05< wesnoth-discord-> if a game costs money to develop, then it needs to make back that amount for it to make sense from a business perspective 20170921 21:53:06-!- Falcon` [falcon@ip248.ip-5-196-244.eu] has joined #wesnoth 20170921 21:53:10< wesnoth-discord-> it doesn't have that ability 20170921 21:53:13< wesnoth-discord-> Understood 20170921 21:53:15< wesnoth-discord-> for better or worse 20170921 21:53:45< loonycyborg> well I still consider those money that were taken back donations 20170921 21:54:43< loonycyborg> like wikipedia isn't shy to call their source of income donations 20170921 21:54:52< loonycyborg> and they're racking in insane amounts of them 20170921 21:55:06< wesnoth-discord-> wouldn't that make basically all game sales donations? since I'm fairly sure most games these days sell a license. 20170921 21:55:09< wesnoth-discord-> Wikipedia is barely breaking even 20170921 21:56:21< loonycyborg> hehe 20170921 21:56:28< loonycyborg> wikipedia has insane excess 20170921 21:57:30< wesnoth-discord-> But if you don't give them 20 dollars their servers might shut down! 20170921 22:03:58-!- sigurdfd [~SigurdFD@dynamic-acs-72-23-110-196.zoominternet.net] has quit [] 20170921 22:19:31-!- sevu [~Shiki@p5485493B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 20170921 22:24:30-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20170921 22:24:36-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth 20170921 22:30:49< wesnoth-discord-> what kind of markup tags can I use in unit descriptions (if any)? 20170921 22:30:53< wesnoth-discord-> can I do bold/italics? 20170921 22:32:48< wesnoth-discord-> On 1.12 you can't use any (technically, you can use help and GUI1 mark-up, but neither will work on tooltips, which attempt to parse Pango mark-up instead, which the help browser can't use). No idea about 1.13.x. 20170921 22:33:02< wesnoth-discord-> 😦 20170921 22:40:44-!- _Anna_ [~Anna@adsl-118.37.6.1.tellas.gr] has joined #wesnoth 20170921 22:40:47-!- _Anna_ [~Anna@adsl-118.37.6.1.tellas.gr] has left #wesnoth [] 20170921 22:45:30< wesnoth-discord-> what does this bot do 20170921 22:52:05< wesnoth-discord-> Are there any official or (more-likely?) user-made campaigns with voice acting? If not, does the game at least support or allow the possibility of it? 20170921 22:52:59< loonycyborg> what bot? if you mean irc-bridge then it forwards messages between discord and wesnoth's channel on irc 20170921 22:55:20< wesnoth-discord-> what kind of voice acting? 20170921 22:55:29< wesnoth-discord-> like unit sounds? 20170921 22:55:45< wesnoth-discord-> @FerrokenFibrous There's at least one on 1.12: The Tale of Two Brothers [+voices] 20170921 22:55:59< wesnoth-discord-> I see, interesting 20170921 22:57:18< wesnoth-discord-> Most recently it was proposed/discussed here: https://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=44592 Though I don't know if any other add-ons came of it. 20170921 22:59:55-!- Haudegen [~quassel@212-186-77-29.static.upcbusiness.at] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20170921 23:03:29-!- VladimirSlavik [~vslavik@wesnoth/translator/VladimirSlavik] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 20170921 23:14:25-!- sevu [~Shiki@p5485493B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #wesnoth 20170921 23:32:12-!- sevu [~Shiki@p5485493B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 20170921 23:46:33-!- celticminstrel [~celmin@unaffiliated/celticminstrel] has joined #wesnoth --- Log closed Fri Sep 22 00:00:05 2017