--- Log opened Sun Sep 24 00:00:08 2017 20170924 00:02:27-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20170924 00:02:33-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth 20170924 00:28:02-!- Ipsilon [~Ipsilon@138.197.195.205] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 20170924 00:34:14-!- Ipsilon [~Ipsilon@138.197.195.205] has joined #wesnoth 20170924 00:49:04-!- Haudegen [~quassel@178.115.237.87] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20170924 02:17:36-!- ArneBab [~quassel@freenet/developer/arnebab] has joined #wesnoth 20170924 02:21:28-!- ArneBab_ [~quassel@freenet/developer/arnebab] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20170924 02:42:48-!- sigurdfd [~SigurdFD@dynamic-acs-72-23-110-196.zoominternet.net] has joined #wesnoth 20170924 04:14:06-!- sigurdfd [~SigurdFD@dynamic-acs-72-23-110-196.zoominternet.net] has quit [] 20170924 04:18:14-!- The_Unforgiven [~quassel@2601:40a:c380:462:54c:9dc7:50c9:f0c6] has joined #wesnoth 20170924 04:18:14-!- The_Unforgiven [~quassel@2601:40a:c380:462:54c:9dc7:50c9:f0c6] has quit [Changing host] 20170924 04:18:14-!- The_Unforgiven [~quassel@unaffiliated/the-unforgiven/x-8713611] has joined #wesnoth 20170924 04:42:49-!- vultraz [uid24821@wesnoth/developer/vultraz] has joined #wesnoth 20170924 06:00:52-!- celticminstrel is now known as celmin|sleep 20170924 06:08:37-!- zookeeper [~lmsnie@wesnoth/developer/zookeeper] has joined #wesnoth 20170924 06:16:52-!- Kwandulin [~Kwandulin@pD9FD50F1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #wesnoth 20170924 06:23:05-!- zookeeper [~lmsnie@wesnoth/developer/zookeeper] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20170924 06:24:23-!- zookeeper [~lmsnie@wesnoth/developer/zookeeper] has joined #wesnoth 20170924 07:11:11-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20170924 07:11:18-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth 20170924 07:14:42< wesnoth-discord-> Interesting, is it playable? 20170924 07:27:52-!- The_Unforgiven [~quassel@unaffiliated/the-unforgiven/x-8713611] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20170924 07:46:51< wesnoth-discord-> So wait, late this year? Is this going to be some kind of Christmas present or something? 20170924 07:47:18< wesnoth-discord-> Maybe. We don't know exact timing, and it may even slip to the next year. 20170924 08:08:35-!- hrubymar10_irc [~hrubymar1@gateway/tor-sasl/hrubymar10irc/x-94850683] has joined #wesnoth 20170924 08:15:05-!- hrubymar10_irc [~hrubymar1@gateway/tor-sasl/hrubymar10irc/x-94850683] has quit [Quit: hrubymar10_irc] 20170924 08:33:19-!- hrubymar10_irc [~hrubymar1@gateway/tor-sasl/hrubymar10irc/x-94850683] has joined #wesnoth 20170924 08:38:27-!- Kwandulin [~Kwandulin@pD9FD50F1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20170924 09:00:30-!- hrubymar10_irc [~hrubymar1@gateway/tor-sasl/hrubymar10irc/x-94850683] has quit [Quit: hrubymar10_irc] 20170924 09:02:14-!- zookeeper [~lmsnie@wesnoth/developer/zookeeper] has quit [] 20170924 09:02:30-!- hrubymar10_irc [~hrubymar1@gateway/tor-sasl/hrubymar10irc/x-94850683] has joined #wesnoth 20170924 09:12:37-!- hrubymar10_irc [~hrubymar1@gateway/tor-sasl/hrubymar10irc/x-94850683] has quit [Quit: hrubymar10_irc] 20170924 09:26:11-!- Kwandulin [~Kwandulin@pD9FD50F1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #wesnoth 20170924 10:00:09< wesnoth-discord-> 2018's Christmas present? 🎄 🤶 20170924 10:02:35-!- vultraz [uid24821@wesnoth/developer/vultraz] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 20170924 10:44:47< wesnoth-discord-> <ѦбЯ> hello 20170924 10:46:09< Necrosporus> Weird nickname 20170924 10:46:13< Necrosporus> hello 20170924 10:50:45-!- Kwandulin [~Kwandulin@pD9FD50F1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20170924 11:10:46-!- Haudegen [~quassel@178.115.237.87] has joined #wesnoth 20170924 11:13:47-!- Kwandulin [~Kwandulin@pD9FD50F1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #wesnoth 20170924 12:04:58-!- hrubymar10_irc [~hrubymar1@gateway/tor-sasl/hrubymar10irc/x-94850683] has joined #wesnoth 20170924 12:24:55< wesnoth-discord-> No u 20170924 12:25:50-!- hrubymar10_irc [~hrubymar1@gateway/tor-sasl/hrubymar10irc/x-94850683] has quit [Quit: hrubymar10_irc] 20170924 12:28:47-!- hrubymar10_irc [~hrubymar1@gateway/tor-sasl/hrubymar10irc/x-94850683] has joined #wesnoth 20170924 12:43:52-!- hrubymar10_irc [~hrubymar1@gateway/tor-sasl/hrubymar10irc/x-94850683] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20170924 12:47:23-!- hrubymar10_irc [~hrubymar1@gateway/tor-sasl/hrubymar10irc/x-94850683] has joined #wesnoth 20170924 12:57:38-!- Kwandulin [~Kwandulin@pD9FD50F1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20170924 13:02:45< wesnoth-discord-> o/ 20170924 13:03:04< galego> o/ 20170924 13:04:17< galego> It d be nice bridgebot relying discord server joins! 20170924 13:05:18< wesnoth-discord-> Hell no. It would be extremely annoying to get a message notification every time someone joins/leaves the Discord server. 20170924 13:06:16< DeFender1031> I agree with @jyrkive. 20170924 13:07:13< wesnoth-discord-> I also agree with @jyrkive 20170924 13:08:37< galego> Yes! and it would be extremely pita relying each discord server session join. 20170924 13:17:47< galego> Which is not the same as discord server join, or is it? 20170924 13:18:06< Necrosporus> what is discord anyway 20170924 13:18:11< Necrosporus> and why not to just use IRC? 20170924 13:18:13< Necrosporus> It's better 20170924 13:19:01< hrubymar10_irc> I don't agree with you Necrosporus 20170924 13:19:11< hrubymar10_irc> Discord is much better than irc 20170924 13:19:41< galego> I'm trying you to get IRC like joins and parts from discord, could you hold the discord flaming for some lines..? 20170924 13:20:02< Ravana_> irc joins and parts are noise anyways 20170924 13:20:26< wesnoth-discord-> Most clients at least don't notify you on join/part. 20170924 13:20:27< DeFender1031> Necrosporus, hrubymar10_irc, can we not start that fight again? The point of the bridge is that it allows everyone to use the one they prefer. 20170924 13:20:35< galego> Yay I meant the first timer joins and server parts. 20170924 13:20:57< wesnoth-discord-> For example, AdiIRC changes the tray icon on new messages (if configured to do so), but not on join/part. 20170924 13:21:17< wesnoth-discord-> If the bot relayed joins and parts, they would technically be messages and trigger notifications. 20170924 13:21:53< hrubymar10_irc> DeFender1031 I don't wanna 'fight' 😃 and bridge is fine but doesn't work at #wesnoth-dev so you must have both :/ 20170924 13:22:30< DeFender1031> "doesn't work" != "is not set up for" 20170924 13:23:00< hrubymar10_irc> Idk if it is setup for it 20170924 13:23:02< DeFender1031> galego, I'm not sure I understand what kinds of joins and parts you're referring to? 20170924 13:23:44< hrubymar10_irc> why it is not set up for? 20170924 13:24:27< galego> Don't mind it, it is a somewhat discord specific vocab. 20170924 13:24:38< wesnoth-discord-> AFAIK, the main reason is that both IRC and Discord have a bot to tell about new commits, and neither side wants to give up their bot. 20170924 13:24:41< galego> Doesn't really apply to IRC. 20170924 13:25:15< wesnoth-discord-> If they were just connected with the bridge without shutting down either bot, there would be two notifications of each commit. 20170924 13:25:52< galego> But it is interesting in the way it's sort of measure of interest in the server (the game). 20170924 13:26:13< wesnoth-discord-> well and bridge-bot can't do it? like ignore commit messages? 20170924 13:28:20< galego> hmm catch22 20170924 13:29:05< galego> it has to have regexp based ignore, else it needs to have 20170924 13:30:08< Necrosporus> Is discord at least free& 20170924 13:30:33< wesnoth-discord-> Doesn't cost any money to download. But closed source. 20170924 13:30:35< hrubymar10_irc> yes, it is 20170924 13:33:31< Necrosporus> So it's not free 20170924 13:34:06< celmin|sleep> "free as in beer" or whatever they say. 20170924 13:34:11-!- celmin|sleep is now known as celticminstrel 20170924 13:34:24< celticminstrel> Which for most people is good enough, really. 20170924 13:35:57< DeFender1031> @jyrkive if that's the only reason, surely a bridge bot could be set up to ignore messages from its fellow bots, no? 20170924 13:35:57< hrubymar10_irc> At least they have working client for free. I don't say that free irc clients doesn't exists but it is hard to find good one 20170924 13:36:14< galego> I don't use Microsoft. Nor Ubuntu. Nor non-free in Debian GNU/Linux. Nor Meetup etc. But you don't really need to be that hardcore when it comes to games. 20170924 13:36:22< wesnoth-discord-> DeFender1031: I don't know if it's possible. 20170924 13:36:59< hrubymar10_irc> time to write new irc-bridge :D 20170924 13:37:30< celticminstrel> Surely even just ignoring by nickname would suffice here, no need for regex? 20170924 13:37:52< celticminstrel> Or if you do need regex it'd be no more complicated than "irker.*". 20170924 13:37:56< galego> You love your game and Discord is a tool for gather gamers. That's something important. 20170924 13:38:09< celticminstrel> ...no, it's a tool for chatting. 20170924 13:38:16< DeFender1031> @jyrkive, "possible" is probably the wrong word. It is a known quantity that it is possible for someone to code a bot from scratch which is capable of doing so. The question is whether the current bot in use has the capability to easily be configured to ignore certain users. 20170924 13:38:47< wesnoth-discord-> Yes, that's what I meant to say. 20170924 13:39:45< Necrosporus> hrubymar10_irc, hexchat is good enough 20170924 13:39:48< galego> It's a tool for chatting with easier entry requirement. It's reasonable to not use it. It's reasonable too to use it. An understanding is necessary. 20170924 13:40:14< Necrosporus> galego, I don't think games should be exception 20170924 13:40:32< Necrosporus> I play Wesnoth, but I wouldn't install and play say steam 20170924 13:40:46< Necrosporus> since steam itself is non-free 20170924 13:40:49< galego> You are right. It's reasonable to not use Discord nor Steam. 20170924 13:40:52< Necrosporus> as most games from it 20170924 13:41:00< galego> Even better. 20170924 13:41:15< Necrosporus> Are there free games in Steam before wesnoth? 20170924 13:41:22< Necrosporus> or wesnoth will be first one? 20170924 13:41:27< hrubymar10_irc> simutrans xD 20170924 13:45:56-!- Kranix [~magnus@xd520f683.cust.hiper.dk] has joined #wesnoth 20170924 13:47:39< celticminstrel> ISTR that there are some free games on Steam, but can't remember what they are. 20170924 13:47:51< galego> It's even better to not use Discord nor Steam, and better yet campaign against. But the bridge is gold and symbol of tolerance, understanding, and the house of the Konrads. 20170924 13:48:26< galego> And the Alliance. 20170924 13:51:57-!- Kwandulin [~Kwandulin@pD9FD50F1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #wesnoth 20170924 14:21:44-!- Soo_Slow [~devnu11@178.71.123.152] has joined #wesnoth 20170924 14:23:13-!- Soo_Slow [~devnu11@178.71.123.152] has quit [Client Quit] 20170924 14:46:37-!- hrubymar10_irc is now known as hrubymar10_irc[a 20170924 14:47:15-!- hrubymar10_irc[a [~hrubymar1@gateway/tor-sasl/hrubymar10irc/x-94850683] has quit [Quit: hrubymar10_irc[a] 20170924 15:00:26-!- vultraz [uid24821@wesnoth/developer/vultraz] has joined #wesnoth 20170924 15:07:25-!- Kwandulin [~Kwandulin@pD9FD50F1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: [endlevel]] 20170924 16:32:09-!- Kwandulin [~Kwandulin@pD9FD50F1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #wesnoth 20170924 16:46:37-!- Kwandulin [~Kwandulin@pD9FD50F1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20170924 17:03:09-!- Haudegen [~quassel@178.115.237.87] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20170924 17:23:34-!- zookeeper [~lmsnie@wesnoth/developer/zookeeper] has joined #wesnoth 20170924 17:44:55-!- Haudegen [~quassel@178.115.237.87] has joined #wesnoth 20170924 17:50:41-!- Kwandulin [~Kwandulin@pD9FD50F1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #wesnoth 20170924 18:19:27-!- Ivanovic [~ivanovic@wesnoth/developer/ivanovic] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20170924 18:44:23-!- Kranix [~magnus@xd520f683.cust.hiper.dk] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 20170924 18:46:34-!- Ivanovic [~ivanovic@p4FC53858.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #wesnoth 20170924 18:47:03-!- Ivanovic [~ivanovic@p4FC53858.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Changing host] 20170924 18:47:03-!- Ivanovic [~ivanovic@wesnoth/developer/ivanovic] has joined #wesnoth 20170924 18:51:39-!- louis94 [~~louis94@121.83-247-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #wesnoth 20170924 18:58:25-!- Ivanovic_ [~ivanovic@p4FC53858.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #wesnoth 20170924 19:01:15-!- Ivanovic [~ivanovic@wesnoth/developer/ivanovic] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20170924 19:01:30-!- Ivanovic [~ivanovic@p579FB4C7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #wesnoth 20170924 19:03:10-!- Ivanovic [~ivanovic@p579FB4C7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Changing host] 20170924 19:03:10-!- Ivanovic [~ivanovic@wesnoth/developer/ivanovic] has joined #wesnoth 20170924 19:03:28-!- Ivanovic_ [~ivanovic@p4FC53858.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20170924 19:08:17< wesnoth-discord-> celticminstrel: SuperTuxKart was greenlit shortly before Wesnoth 20170924 19:20:37-!- Ivanovic [~ivanovic@wesnoth/developer/ivanovic] has quit [Quit: Caught sigterm, terminating...] 20170924 19:20:58-!- Ivanovic [~ivanovic@p579FB4C7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #wesnoth 20170924 19:21:32-!- Ivanovic [~ivanovic@p579FB4C7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Changing host] 20170924 19:21:32-!- Ivanovic [~ivanovic@wesnoth/developer/ivanovic] has joined #wesnoth 20170924 19:28:02< wesnoth-discord-> Damn 20170924 19:28:10< wesnoth-discord-> Too lands unknown is really cool 20170924 19:28:19< wesnoth-discord-> Also I recommend a boss chat 20170924 19:28:26< wesnoth-discord-> *bot 20170924 19:28:38< celticminstrel> ^To 20170924 19:34:29< wesnoth-discord-> is this guy even a bot lol 20170924 19:35:04< celticminstrel> It's a bot that relays chat from another location. 20170924 19:35:31< celticminstrel> I'm celticminstrel, the person whose message is being relayed. 20170924 19:36:28< wesnoth-discord-> @Degresse McFallagan Some people use IRC, some people use Discord, so the irc-bridge bot is just there to relay message back and forth between the two. 20170924 19:40:18< wesnoth-discord-> I don't know if Era Of Magic is production ready, but To Lands Unknown as campaign is a great story. 20170924 19:41:21< Necrosporus> Weird 20170924 19:41:35< Necrosporus> And TLU is a nice campaign indeed 20170924 19:41:46< Necrosporus> It does even feature a video sequence... 20170924 19:42:47< wesnoth-discord-> I wonder how. I think the engine doesn't have any support for embedded videos. 20170924 19:44:18< wesnoth-discord-> I played it fully once and started it three times at least... I would say is artisan cinematics with images, but don't trust me. 20170924 19:45:32< Necrosporus> It's switching jpg files rapidly while playing sound 20170924 19:45:45< wesnoth-discord-> 😱 20170924 19:45:52< Necrosporus> Well, if it looks same as if it was *.mkv or something why not? 20170924 19:45:54< wesnoth-discord-> That's horriby inefficient... 20170924 19:46:16< Necrosporus> Wesnoth engine doesn't support anything better does it? 20170924 19:46:33< wesnoth-discord-> Not to my knowledge, indeed. 20170924 19:46:36< Necrosporus> Using WML for code is highly inefficient too, for example 20170924 19:46:53< Necrosporus> There is Lua now though 20170924 19:47:32< Necrosporus> But if you try to write complex stuff in WML it works but... well, code looks terrible compared to code to do similar stuff in regular languages 20170924 19:48:22-!- hrubymar10_irc [~hrubymar1@gateway/tor-sasl/hrubymar10irc/x-94850683] has joined #wesnoth 20170924 19:48:35< Necrosporus> Or maybe it is because i don't know wml good enough 20170924 19:48:53< wesnoth-discord-> No, it's WML's fault. 20170924 19:49:09< wesnoth-discord-> It's written directly in the language name: Wesnoth Markup Language. 20170924 19:49:20< wesnoth-discord-> It's designed to be a markup language, not a scripting language. 20170924 19:50:02< Necrosporus> But in [event] it becomes a scripting language all of sudden 20170924 19:50:45< Necrosporus> I wonder if it would be possible to have a stripped-down wesnoth engine which allows full fledged applications written entirely in WML 20170924 19:51:04< Necrosporus> Would be something alike to some modern UI concepts 20170924 19:51:04< wesnoth-discord-> That was the idea of "cores". 20170924 19:51:58< Necrosporus> Perhaps some business CRM? 20170924 19:52:11-!- Soo_Slow [~devnu11@178.71.123.152] has joined #wesnoth 20170924 19:52:27< Necrosporus> Imagine a CRM using wesnoth GUI2 widgets and connecting PostgreSQL for backend... 20170924 19:52:44< Necrosporus> And written entirely in WML without lua 20170924 20:09:18< wesnoth-discord-> oh ok 20170924 20:10:02-!- vultraz [uid24821@wesnoth/developer/vultraz] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 20170924 20:11:18< wesnoth-discord-> What's a CRM? 20170924 20:12:03< wesnoth-discord-> Okay. First of all: you're crazy. Second of all: you're crazy. 20170924 20:12:18< wesnoth-discord-> WML is absolute garbage for serious programming. 20170924 20:12:56< celticminstrel> It's pretty bad for scripting, yeah. 20170924 20:13:24< wesnoth-discord-> The last thing the world needs is more applications using Frankendave's monster of a language. 20170924 20:13:37< celticminstrel> I'd be quite happy if ActionWML could be excised from the engine, but I suspect that would alienate a lot of the addon devs. 20170924 20:13:53< wesnoth-discord-> Yes, including me, ironically enough. 20170924 20:14:36< wesnoth-discord-> When you are on the dev side of the fence, you feel as though it's easy to just ask people to rewrite stuff, but on the UMC creator side reality is much harder than that. 20170924 20:15:44< wesnoth-discord-> Especially when your campaign does anything more advanced than the average mainline scenario. 20170924 20:25:49-!- Soo_Slow [~devnu11@178.71.123.152] has quit [Quit: Soo_Slow] 20170924 20:48:37-!- Kwandulin [~Kwandulin@pD9FD50F1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20170924 20:57:37< Necrosporus> shadowm, of course it was a joke. I did write in action wml some 20170924 21:13:05-!- louis94 [~~louis94@121.83-247-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20170924 21:13:25-!- sevu [~Shiki@p548558FE.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #wesnoth 20170924 21:44:39-!- hrubymar10_irc [~hrubymar1@gateway/tor-sasl/hrubymar10irc/x-94850683] has quit [Quit: hrubymar10_irc] 20170924 21:59:48-!- zookeeper [~lmsnie@wesnoth/developer/zookeeper] has quit [] 20170924 22:05:48-!- louis94 [~~louis94@121.83-247-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #wesnoth 20170924 22:27:08-!- louis94 [~~louis94@121.83-247-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20170924 22:34:47-!- louis94 [~~louis94@91.138-200-80.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #wesnoth 20170924 22:54:08-!- Haudegen [~quassel@178.115.237.87] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20170924 23:05:05-!- louis94 [~~louis94@91.138-200-80.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20170924 23:39:41-!- cyphase [~cyphase@unaffiliated/cyphase] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] --- Log closed Mon Sep 25 00:00:09 2017