--- Log opened Wed Sep 27 00:00:11 2017 20170927 00:24:58-!- celticminstrel [~celmin@unaffiliated/celticminstrel] has joined #wesnoth 20170927 00:35:22-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20170927 00:35:28-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth 20170927 00:53:35-!- celticminstrel [~celmin@unaffiliated/celticminstrel] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20170927 01:00:52-!- celticminstrel [~celmin@unaffiliated/celticminstrel] has joined #wesnoth 20170927 01:44:52< Necrosporus> I have tried to start Bad Moon Rising 20170927 01:44:59< Necrosporus> A cutscene is utterly confusing 20170927 01:52:31< wesnoth-discord-> You should try IftU. I heard it's like the best campaign ever. 20170927 01:52:57< Necrosporus> I did try it 20170927 01:53:08< Necrosporus> Was stuck in second scenario 20170927 01:53:16< wesnoth-discord-> Really. 20170927 01:53:24< wesnoth-discord-> Everyone else is saying it's too easy. 20170927 01:53:40< wesnoth-discord-> This is why I don't want to write any more Wesnoth campaigns ever. 20170927 01:53:40< Necrosporus> Maybe it was third one, I don't remember 20170927 01:53:49< wesnoth-discord-> Who cares about WML being a stupid piece of crap. 20170927 01:54:08< Necrosporus> I did eventually beat it 20170927 01:54:33< Necrosporus> Anyway I'm not saying that scenario is impossible 20170927 01:55:04< Necrosporus> It's just too hard to beat without loses of important units 20170927 01:55:25< Necrosporus> I did always try to lose no units when playing 20170927 01:55:38< wesnoth-discord-> IftU has some pretty hard scenarios 20170927 01:55:44< wesnoth-discord-> and some that are really easy 20170927 01:59:24< Necrosporus> Anyway it was my fault 20170927 01:59:45< Necrosporus> I did select Hard difficulty and did not accept winning the scenario just on medium 20170927 02:00:25< Necrosporus> shadowm, who said it's too easy probably played on easy 20170927 02:00:56< wesnoth-discord-> I have given him feedback b4 that it was too easy 20170927 02:00:59< wesnoth-discord-> and I only play on hard πŸ˜› 20170927 02:01:26< Necrosporus> Well, perhaps you did not try to win without losing a single unit 20170927 02:01:43< Necrosporus> I did manage to do that in scenario 1 20170927 02:01:45< Necrosporus> but not in 2 20170927 02:01:50< wesnoth-discord-> I did it 20170927 02:01:52< wesnoth-discord-> without using any units 20170927 02:01:59< Necrosporus> Really 20170927 02:02:00< wesnoth-discord-> beside in the one where you can only recruit ulfserkers and zombies 20170927 02:02:03< wesnoth-discord-> yah 20170927 02:02:12< wesnoth-discord-> but shadowm called my method "cheesing" 20170927 02:02:15< Necrosporus> Perhaps we are talking about different camapign 20170927 02:02:16< wesnoth-discord-> which I won't disagree with 20170927 02:02:22< Necrosporus> Whats cheesing? 20170927 02:02:34< wesnoth-discord-> shadowm, who said it's too easy probably played on easy 20170927 02:02:46< wesnoth-discord-> I assume you mean "whoever", not "who" (which would refer to myself). 20170927 02:02:50< Necrosporus> By the way when I watch bad moon rising intro second time it made more sense 20170927 02:03:20< wesnoth-discord-> @Yumi has a bad habit of cheesing through the campaign using Spectres. 20170927 02:03:31< wesnoth-discord-> it's not a bad habit if it works 😦 20170927 02:03:36< wesnoth-discord-> I'm actually legitimately pondering increasing Shaxthal arcane resistance right now. 20170927 02:03:48< wesnoth-discord-> do you know how OP 60 hp spectres are? 20170927 02:03:50< Necrosporus> wait... there are no spectres in ItfU first two scenarios 20170927 02:04:22< wesnoth-discord-> There aren't Shaxthals either until scenario 13 (or 9 if you want to be pedantic). 20170927 02:04:42< wesnoth-discord-> But once you get hold of a few Wraiths you're pretty much set for the whole campaign and that bothers me a lot. 20170927 02:04:50< wesnoth-discord-> I got rid of Sylphs for the same reason. 20170927 02:05:19< Necrosporus> Anyway, I will try bad moon rising for now 20170927 02:05:35< Necrosporus> i did understand what is going on a little better 20170927 02:06:01< wesnoth-discord-> Oh you're going to love the shaxthal hive scenario 20170927 02:06:46< Necrosporus> Some humans did fight against demons, were infiltrated by mind controlled zombies, then were exterminated but did manage to seal some artefact of power before that 20170927 02:07:49< Necrosporus> Then some other humans did find their tomb 20170927 02:08:35< wesnoth-discord-> I mean in general in wesnoth campaigns 20170927 02:08:55< wesnoth-discord-> it feels too easy to use the same few units over and over and just stack hp on them until you have a basically unstoppable (but smaller) army 20170927 02:09:02< Necrosporus> I like Wraiths too 20170927 02:09:07< Necrosporus> One of my favorite units 20170927 02:09:12< wesnoth-discord-> not really unique to IftU 20170927 02:09:51< Necrosporus> You are likely to lose some of them if you play without savescumming though 20170927 02:10:29< Necrosporus> Sometimes enemies can kill you in one attack no matter what you do, like if they have lancers 20170927 02:11:03< wesnoth-discord-> yah lancers are my worst enemy 20170927 02:11:19< wesnoth-discord-> but usually I don't savescum unless I messed up something 20170927 02:11:26< Necrosporus> OK, first scenario of BMR 20170927 02:11:50< Necrosporus> They say that we need to escape from trolls 20170927 02:12:06< Necrosporus> But maybe it's better to try and kill the trolls one by one to get XP? 20170927 02:13:07< wesnoth-discord-> if you can farm exp why not? 20170927 02:13:27< Necrosporus> I don't know, ctrl-j says I'm supposed to escape from the trolls 20170927 02:13:30< Necrosporus> not charge them 20170927 02:13:38< Necrosporus> Did you play BMR? 20170927 02:13:49< wesnoth-discord-> yup 20170927 02:14:03-!- ArneBab [~quassel@freenet/developer/arnebab] has joined #wesnoth 20170927 02:14:43< wesnoth-discord-> it's certainly possible to kill the trolls 1 by 1 20170927 02:14:45< wesnoth-discord-> just watch the turn limit 20170927 02:15:50< wesnoth-discord-> Anything with charge or berserk is a royal pain in the bum to deal with. 20170927 02:16:19< wesnoth-discord-> I guess it's obvious that this is my opinion since I have literally only one enemy unit line with berserk. 20170927 02:16:20< wesnoth-discord-> how about both? 20170927 02:16:25< wesnoth-discord-> No. 20170927 02:16:36< wesnoth-discord-> the zerker in EoMa has both 20170927 02:17:47< Necrosporus> Charging trolls was a bad idea it seems though. 20170927 02:18:12-!- ArneBab_ [~quassel@freenet/developer/arnebab] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20170927 02:27:21-!- ToBeCloud [uid51591@wikimedia/ToBeFree] has joined #wesnoth 20170927 02:28:45< Necrosporus> Yumi doesn't seem possible to kill the big troll with just two lvl1 units 20170927 02:28:58< Necrosporus> PErhaps after you collect enough items 20170927 02:29:27< Necrosporus> He can kill either of my units if he hits both times 20170927 02:31:58< wesnoth-discord-> well charging at the trolls might not be the best plan... 20170927 02:32:08< wesnoth-discord-> I seem to remember it being possible to kill the smaller ones first, though 20170927 02:32:21< wesnoth-discord-> but it has been updated several times since I last played 20170927 02:51:29< Necrosporus> There are three trolls which go in close pack, two lvl1 and one lvl2 20170927 02:51:41< Necrosporus> Perhaps they won't rotate, like they should 20170927 03:00:12< Necrosporus> OK, I did kill one troll with archer but immediately the second killed the archer 20170927 03:01:38< wesnoth-discord-> meh, just farming exp in the first scenario is kind of boring 20170927 03:02:07< wesnoth-discord-> I mean, it's useful, but don't worry too toooo much about it 20170927 03:11:29< wesnoth-discord-> which one is IftU? 20170927 03:11:40< Necrosporus> Invasion from the Unknown 20170927 03:11:52< wesnoth-discord-> ooh, im playing that now πŸ˜„ 20170927 03:12:05< Necrosporus> The first scenario has falcons and exhibitionist guys who spit some low-power dark magic 20170927 03:12:15< Necrosporus> Right? 20170927 03:12:30< wesnoth-discord-> well.. im almost done with After the storm.. 20170927 03:12:59< wesnoth-discord-> idr how the first scenario went.. 20170927 03:13:11< wesnoth-discord-> though there were probably falcons.. 20170927 03:16:48< wesnoth-discord-> https://www.reddit.com/r/worldbuilding/comments/72mvod/darkest_realm_map_of_the_county_v1/?st=J82GLJU0&sh=38c78431 20170927 03:19:33< wesnoth-discord-> Exhibitionists. 20170927 03:20:33< wesnoth-discord-> I am confused. 20170927 03:22:52< wesnoth-discord-> i think hes talking about the chaos warriors? 20170927 03:46:58< wesnoth-discord-> They're clad in black armour? 20170927 03:47:29< wesnoth-discord-> Maybe he means the demons, which don't appear until the second scenario and wield fire magic instead. 20170927 03:57:20< wesnoth-discord-> ya the demons, running around shirtless πŸ˜› 20170927 04:03:34< wesnoth-discord-> maybe thats why they have a better deffense.. the person is too distracted that their opponent isnt wearing a shirt.. 20170927 04:06:12< Necrosporus> Actually first scenario of BMR seems impossible without save manipulating 20170927 04:06:46< Necrosporus> Either you charge as fast as possible and likely get killed by a skeleton or you fight trolls first and then you have to be lucky 20170927 04:07:34< Necrosporus> shadowm, that was a joke. I meant that dark adepts or something from first scenario open up their cloaks when they attack 20170927 04:10:58< Necrosporus> Chaos Invoker 20170927 04:11:45< wesnoth-discord-> Yeah, it's a weird animation, but someone else made it for me so \o/ 20170927 04:12:11< wesnoth-discord-> Not to mention it was made before their sprites got a little height bump, so they effectively shrink during it. 20170927 04:23:45-!- allefant [~allefant@allegro/developer/allefant] has joined #wesnoth 20170927 04:24:07-!- Falcon- [falcon@ip248.ip-5-196-244.eu] has joined #wesnoth 20170927 04:24:33-!- elouin1 [~elouin@fob.spline.inf.fu-berlin.de] has joined #wesnoth 20170927 04:25:28-!- celticminstrel [~celmin@unaffiliated/celticminstrel] has quit [Quit: And lo! The computer falls into a deep sleep, to awake again some other day!] 20170927 04:25:41-!- Jetrel_ec2 [~Jetrel@ec2.happyspork.com] has joined #wesnoth 20170927 04:26:02-!- Appleman1234_ [~quassel@124x38x163x22.ap124.ftth.ucom.ne.jp] has joined #wesnoth 20170927 04:26:09-!- jurkan_ [~quassel@granny.omameier.net] has joined #wesnoth 20170927 04:29:54-!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: molgrum, elias, galego, Falcon`, elouin, Jetrel_bot, Appleman1234, jurkan 20170927 04:29:54-!- Jetrel_ec2 is now known as Jetrel_bot 20170927 04:31:18-!- Netsplit over, joins: molgrum 20170927 04:36:37-!- galego [~uprego@162.red-83-46-193.dynamicip.rima-tde.net] has joined #wesnoth 20170927 04:36:42-!- ToBeCloud [uid51591@wikimedia/ToBeFree] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 20170927 05:37:37-!- Kwandulin [~Kwandulin@pD9FD50F1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #wesnoth 20170927 05:39:09< wesnoth-discord-> > @Yumi has a bad habit of cheesing through the campaign using Spectres. @Yumi so you're nemaara? 20170927 06:49:28-!- Haudegen [~quassel@178.115.237.87] has joined #wesnoth 20170927 07:17:48< Necrosporus> Do you think that Β«Good Sun SettingΒ» is a good name for a campaign? 20170927 07:26:31< Kwandulin> reminds me of Bad Moon Rising 20170927 07:44:24-!- vultraz [uid24821@wesnoth/developer/vultraz] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 20170927 08:45:32-!- zookeeper [~lmsnie@wesnoth/developer/zookeeper] has joined #wesnoth 20170927 09:30:04-!- Kwandulin [~Kwandulin@pD9FD50F1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20170927 09:52:24-!- Kwandulin [~Kwandulin@pD9FD50F1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #wesnoth 20170927 10:23:05< wesnoth-discord-> sounds like a delibarate parody of it 20170927 10:30:00< DeFender1031> Could be a prequel :P 20170927 10:30:10< DeFender1031> But no, it doesn't sound natural. 20170927 10:45:58-!- Kwandulin [~Kwandulin@pD9FD50F1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20170927 10:46:30-!- Kwandulin [~Kwandulin@pD9FD50F1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #wesnoth 20170927 10:58:29< wesnoth-discord-> Is there any top list of most interesting custom maps? 20170927 11:00:42< wesnoth-discord-> Lol I have a burning hatred for the undead 20170927 11:00:56< wesnoth-discord-> I don't know what I hate more 20170927 11:01:21< wesnoth-discord-> Skeletons, Bats, or Chaos Invaders 20170927 11:05:35< wesnoth-discord-> Actually fuck the entire Undead faction 20170927 11:07:56< wesnoth-discord-> I need to stop save manipulating tho 20170927 11:08:03< wesnoth-discord-> I do it too often when I use Elite's 20170927 11:18:52-!- louis94 [~~louis94@91.138-200-80.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #wesnoth 20170927 11:22:29-!- louis94 [~~louis94@91.138-200-80.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has quit [Client Quit] 20170927 11:43:36-!- Haudegen [~quassel@178.115.237.87] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20170927 12:06:01-!- Kwandulin [~Kwandulin@pD9FD50F1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20170927 12:16:16< wesnoth-discord-> I'm on that mission in HttT where I have to liberate a city from Orcs and Undead and I encounter Human Thieves for the first time, and I find it fairly difficult even on normal, though that might mainly mean I need to get good, but man, Orcs hit like a freight train, and Skeletons are really bothersome for any of my units that aren't squishy wizards. 20170927 12:26:48< Necrosporus> If you find this hard, I would like to see how you will like one of later missions 20170927 12:27:14< Necrosporus> Not sure if I should spoiler, but I can say it follows shortly after that one 20170927 12:28:12< Necrosporus> After two more scenarios 20170927 12:28:30< Necrosporus> What difficulty you are playing? 20170927 12:28:39< Necrosporus> did you take ship or walk by foot? 20170927 12:28:42< zookeeper> no, siege of elensefar is the HttT scenario that people traditionally find the most difficult. 20170927 12:30:06< Necrosporus> Death Valley is far harder 20170927 12:30:26< Necrosporus> SoE is fairly straightforward, you have a single direction to push 20170927 12:30:46< Necrosporus> You just have to kill all the orcs before skeletons get to you 20170927 12:30:53< Necrosporus> And then skeletons will be easy 20170927 12:32:37< Necrosporus> zookeeper, perhaps it depends on how to play them 20170927 12:33:57< Necrosporus> You can put your units in the edge of water and use mermen with storm trident 20170927 12:53:02-!- Haudegen [~quassel@212-186-77-29.static.upcbusiness.at] has joined #wesnoth 20170927 12:57:12-!- Kwandulin [~Kwandulin@pD9FD50F1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #wesnoth 20170927 13:51:40-!- Kwandulin [~Kwandulin@pD9FD50F1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20170927 14:00:47-!- vslavik [vslavik@nat/redhat/x-jzazkiujxknrndxa] has joined #wesnoth 20170927 14:02:52-!- vladimirslavik [vslavik@wesnoth/translator/VladimirSlavik] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20170927 14:25:42< wesnoth-discord-> I went there by foot, killed the Necromancer in the previous mission. 20170927 14:26:31< wesnoth-discord-> I had a light mage and the merman with storm trident in Siege of Elensefar, I think my main problem is that I took too long to wipe out the Orcs. 20170927 14:27:08< wesnoth-discord-> their high damage melee and their poison assassins were rather painful 20170927 14:32:21< zookeeper> well, what other leveled units you have? 20170927 14:59:58-!- Kwandulin [~Kwandulin@pD9FD50F1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #wesnoth 20170927 15:09:08-!- louis94 [~~louis94@91.138-200-80.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #wesnoth 20170927 15:09:58< Necrosporus> That's the problem 20170927 15:10:21< Necrosporus> If you came by ship you will get a scenario where you can get loyal light mages 20170927 15:10:44< Necrosporus> And melee impact units 20170927 15:10:49-!- vslavik__ [vslavik@nat/redhat/x-bplwzaamcgczptmo] has joined #wesnoth 20170927 15:13:17-!- vslavik [vslavik@nat/redhat/x-jzazkiujxknrndxa] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20170927 15:25:05< wesnoth-discord-> I never really had trouble with SoE, but the ship path is definitely better in the long run 20170927 15:31:53< wesnoth-discord-> I see 20170927 15:32:06< wesnoth-discord-> the only other leveled units I had in that level were a few level 2 Elf units 20170927 15:49:43-!- sevu [~Shiki@p5485450F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #wesnoth 20170927 15:51:09-!- vslavik__ [vslavik@nat/redhat/x-bplwzaamcgczptmo] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20170927 16:04:50-!- DreadKnight [~DreadKnig@unaffiliated/dreadknight] has joined #wesnoth 20170927 16:12:21-!- Haudegen [~quassel@212-186-77-29.static.upcbusiness.at] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20170927 16:30:53< wesnoth-discord-> If you want to go by land, you have to level sorceresses 20170927 16:41:34-!- vultraz [uid24821@wesnoth/developer/vultraz] has joined #wesnoth 20170927 16:43:11< wesnoth-discord-> hello πŸ‘‹πŸ» 20170927 16:44:47-!- Kwandulin [~Kwandulin@pD9FD50F1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20170927 17:06:03-!- Haudegen [~quassel@178.115.237.87] has joined #wesnoth 20170927 17:19:28-!- allefant is now known as elias 20170927 17:25:50-!- Kwandulin [~Kwandulin@pD9FD50F1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #wesnoth 20170927 17:43:16< wesnoth-discord-> chatty discord πŸ˜‚ 20170927 18:01:03-!- louis94 [~~louis94@91.138-200-80.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 20170927 18:02:09-!- louis94 [~~louis94@91.138-200-80.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #wesnoth 20170927 18:21:51-!- louis94 [~~louis94@91.138-200-80.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20170927 18:23:39< wesnoth-discord-> We talk, just not constantly like some bigger Discord servers 20170927 18:24:57< wesnoth-discord-> You need a population of 1000 to really have continuous chatter 20170927 18:44:33< wesnoth-discord-> For me it's too chatty already 20170927 18:44:49< wesnoth-discord-> For me it's too chatty already 20170927 18:49:07< wesnoth-discord-> meh 20170927 18:50:04< wesnoth-discord-> in after the storm.. where are argans missing pages? 20170927 18:58:02-!- cyphase [~cyphase@unaffiliated/cyphase] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20170927 18:58:30< wesnoth-discord-> You mean to unlock the full epilogue? 20170927 19:05:49< wesnoth-discord-> ya, i cheated and did it through the debug.. 20170927 19:07:00< wesnoth-discord-> Yay. 20170927 19:07:04< wesnoth-discord-> @pydsigner that makes sense.. My first experiences with discord were for larger game populations that did have over 1000 members and it was super chatty (obviously πŸ˜„ ) 20170927 19:07:22< wesnoth-discord-> The missing item is hidden in Elyssa's cell in E3S8A. 20170927 19:07:44< wesnoth-discord-> oh.. all the way back there... 20170927 19:08:53< wesnoth-discord-> is there going to be a sequel for this or is this the last episode? 20170927 19:09:39-!- cyphase [~cyphase@unaffiliated/cyphase] has joined #wesnoth 20170927 19:11:04< wesnoth-discord-> Some day. 20170927 19:11:36< wesnoth-discord-> Hopefully. 20170927 19:12:10< wesnoth-discord-> πŸ˜„ 20170927 19:17:48< wesnoth-discord-> it was a very good story/campaign gj 20170927 19:21:20< wesnoth-discord-> it's not one of the mainline campaigns is it? or am I dumb and just not seeing it 20170927 19:22:49< wesnoth-discord-> UMC 20170927 19:27:36< wesnoth-discord-> no, its an addon scenario that shadown develeoped 20170927 19:30:57< wesnoth-discord-> i'm playing my way through the main ones, kind of jumping around though. I'm about 5 scenarios into Rise of Wesnoth 20170927 19:31:00< wesnoth-discord-> quite enjoyable 20170927 19:33:49< wesnoth-discord-> shadowm, with an em, not an en. 20170927 19:35:32< wesnoth-discord-> oh woops πŸ˜› 20170927 19:49:20-!- Kranix [~magnus@xd520f683.cust.hiper.dk] has joined #wesnoth 20170927 20:51:05-!- Necrosporus [~Necrospor@unaffiliated/necrosporus] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20170927 21:10:41-!- Necrosporus [~Necrospor@unaffiliated/necrosporus] has joined #wesnoth 20170927 21:12:26-!- Necrosporus [~Necrospor@unaffiliated/necrosporus] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20170927 21:18:26-!- Kranix [~magnus@xd520f683.cust.hiper.dk] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 20170927 21:30:41-!- Necrosporus [~Necrospor@unaffiliated/necrosporus] has joined #wesnoth 20170927 21:55:47-!- Kwandulin [~Kwandulin@pD9FD50F1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20170927 22:09:41-!- Necrosporus [~Necrospor@unaffiliated/necrosporus] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20170927 22:10:10-!- Necrosporus [~Necrospor@unaffiliated/necrosporus] has joined #wesnoth 20170927 22:20:41-!- Ravana_ [~Ravana@unaffiliated/ravana/x-2327071] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20170927 22:28:07-!- Ravana_ [~Ravana@unaffiliated/ravana/x-2327071] has joined #wesnoth 20170927 22:49:46-!- Haudegen [~quassel@178.115.237.87] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20170927 23:51:41-!- zookeeper [~lmsnie@wesnoth/developer/zookeeper] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] --- Log closed Thu Sep 28 00:00:13 2017