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20171022 07:29:06< zookeeper> "general CPU usage comparatively reduced" (in the release announcement)? wasn't it kinda the other way around? :p
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20171022 07:37:14< JyrkiVesterinen> Well, the double redraw fix singificantly reduces CPU usage.
20171022 07:37:28< JyrkiVesterinen> Hard to say whether 1.13.10 uses less or more CPU than 1.13.8.
20171022 07:47:12< zookeeper> oh, right.
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20171022 13:07:36< Nobun> Hi. I need an help about compiling wesnoth 1.13.8 and followings
20171022 13:08:13< Nobun> I have Ubuntu 14.04 LTS, so my SDL2 library (and SDL2-related libraries) that are too old to compile wesnoth
20171022 13:08:47< Nobun> so, my idea is to build SDL2 and SDL2-x libriaries from source and install them in /opt/lib
20171022 13:09:48< Nobun> my question is... how can I properly build wesnoth (using scons) in order to check the SDL2-... libraries at /opt/lib instead of default directories, while other libraries must be checked at default path?
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20171022 14:45:19< JyrkiVesterinen> Nobun: Pass the "sdldir" variable to SCons.
20171022 14:46:14< Nobun> I will try it.
20171022 14:46:37< Nobun> Is it valid also for sdl2-mixer and other sdl2-x component ?
20171022 14:47:03< JyrkiVesterinen> I don't know. I haven't used it myself.
20171022 14:52:21< Nobun> however, thank for the suggestion
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20171022 16:10:30< Nobun> Thank JyrkiVesterinen your suggestion worked
20171022 16:10:56< Nobun> using sdldir option allowed scons to find sdl2
20171022 16:11:24< JyrkiVesterinen> Happy to be of help. :)
20171022 16:11:42< Nobun> :)
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20171022 19:05:09< Nobun> Hi. I builded wesnoth 1.13.8 but I have a segmentation fault on startup
20171022 19:05:23< Nobun> Perhaps I did some mistakes on building wesnoth
20171022 19:05:57< Nobun> 1) I have Ubuntu 14.04 LTS, so SDL2 libs that are installed on my system are too old to build wesnoth
20171022 19:06:30< Nobun> 2) so I builded SDL2, sdl2_mixer, sdl_ttf, sdl_image with --prefix = /opt/sdl2
20171022 19:07:01< Nobun> I make installed them, so those libraries does not override the system libs
20171022 19:07:13< Nobun> I builded wesnoth with
20171022 19:07:32< Nobun> scons sdllib=/opt/sdl2
20171022 19:08:04< Nobun> I tried both running the builded wesnoth with ./wesnoth (within source directory) 
20171022 19:08:20< Nobun> and also with LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/opt/sdl2 ./wesnoth
20171022 19:08:36< Nobun> but, in both cases, the segumentation fault
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20171022 19:14:43< shadowm> *built not builded
20171022 19:16:05< shadowm> Unless the .so files are actually in /opt/sdl2 and not a subdir (e.g. ./lib), that environment variable isn't going to be of much help.
20171022 19:16:23< shadowm> You probably want to point it to /opt/sdl2/lib or something instead.
20171022 19:16:47< Nobun> ok, thank, shadowm
20171022 19:16:55< shadowm> Also, as a rule of thumb, if Wesnoth is crashing it's highly advisable to make a debug build and get a backtrace of the crash.
20171022 19:17:03< Nobun> I will try to rebuild source
20171022 19:17:24< Nobun> yes, but in this situation I am pretty sure that there was a build error
20171022 19:17:41< shadowm> No, there wasn'.t
20171022 19:17:56< Nobun> I think it is almost impossible that a startup segmentation fault could not be noticed by you developers
20171022 19:17:57< shadowm> If there was a build error you'd not have been able to finish the build and therefore would have nothing to run.
20171022 19:18:14< shadowm> That'd be a configuration issue.
20171022 19:18:49< shadowm> Also, to be fair, the project only has like one active Linux dev anymore, and they're probably not testing on a system that old.
20171022 19:18:53< shadowm> (Or testing at all.)
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20171022 19:22:46< Nobun1> sorry... I had a disconnection
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20171022 19:23:07< Nobun1> I was reply at "that'd be a configuration issue"
20171022 19:23:22< shadowm> You can check the log to see what you or we missed.
20171022 19:23:29< Nobun1> perhaps passing sdldir will automaticly consider ok the SDL
20171022 19:23:54< shadowm> Your build configuration is probably okay. Like I said, odds are it's your LD_LIBRARY_PATH environment variable that's wrong.
20171022 19:24:10< Nobun1> uhm
20171022 19:24:15< Nobun1> you probably right
20171022 19:24:19< Nobun1> I will try another thing
20171022 19:24:21< shadowm> I explained why.
20171022 19:25:22< shadowm> Can you try what I actually suggested, though?
20171022 19:25:33< shadowm> LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/opt/sdl2/lib
20171022 19:25:41< Nobun1> I already tried right now
20171022 19:25:46< Nobun1> another segmentation fault
20171022 19:26:02< shadowm> Time to get a backtrace then.
20171022 19:26:32< Nobun1> so you will suggest to build again, but this time on debug mode
20171022 19:26:34< Nobun1> right?
20171022 19:26:50< shadowm> Using --version also crashes, right?
20171022 19:27:05< shadowm> Because that's the safest way to check what libraries Wesnoth is actually seeing.
20171022 19:27:20< Nobun1> don't know how to use --version 
20171022 19:27:37< shadowm> LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/opt/sdl2/lib ./wesnoth --version
20171022 19:28:19< shadowm> The normal output would look like this: https://pastebin.com/2ijETXq3
20171022 19:28:59< Nobun1> http://dpaste.com/0T0G8RP
20171022 19:29:04< Nobun1> this is my output
20171022 19:29:26< shadowm> Oh.
20171022 19:29:39< shadowm> Don't use 1.13.8, use 1.13.10 or (preferably since you're a dev) latest master.
20171022 19:29:53< shadowm> I believe shortly before or after 1.13.9 a bug was fixed where Wesnoth would crash with SDL 2.0.6.
20171022 19:30:34< Nobun1> ah ok
20171022 19:30:53< Nobun1> (thank for considering me a dev, but I am only the maintainer of wmlxgettext :) )
20171022 19:31:47< Nobun1> shadowm: but 1.13.9 and 1.13.10 should be considered definitive, even if officially not packaged, right?
20171022 19:32:20< Nobun1> (with definitive I mean... if there were other addition they will be added to 1.13.11)
20171022 19:32:24< shadowm> 1.13.9 was rejected for reasons I forgot, and the only reason 1.13.10 hasn't been announced yet is that the macOS package is still not available.
20171022 19:32:33< shadowm> And there isn't a single development release that's "definitive".
20171022 19:32:57< Nobun1> yes, but you got the idea about what I meant ;)
20171022 19:33:06< shadowm> Not really.
20171022 19:33:16< shadowm> Of course there will be a 1.13.11 in time, just probably not now.
20171022 19:33:54< shadowm> On the other hand, if the team is made aware of a catastrophic bug in a couple of hours then you can expect a 1.13.11 to follow shortly.
20171022 19:34:06< shadowm> This stuff is never certain.
20171022 19:34:34< Nobun1> ok understood
20171022 19:37:18< Nobun1> however I meant that if 1.13.10 will be announced, it will be released (as 1.13.10) at the exact state as it is now on git (tag 1.13.10)
20171022 19:37:34< shadowm> Yes, that's the purpose of tags.
20171022 19:37:35< Nobun1> this is what I meant for "definitive"
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20171022 19:53:05< sevu> Hello Nobun1 
20171022 19:53:31< Nobun1> hi, sevu
20171022 19:54:16< sevu> I just had a short look at the logs, as far as I saw you didn't get 1.13.8 working?
20171022 19:54:53< sevu> with sdl2.0.6 some change was needed, I think you can't get older version working
20171022 19:55:15< sevu> so, I think your problems will be resolved if you try 1.13.10
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20171022 19:57:36< sevu> ah, I see, it was already pointed out before
20171022 19:58:24< Nobun1> well, sevu... I however appreciate your help :)
20171022 20:00:51< Nobun1> I am still preparing 1.13.10 for build
20171022 20:01:21< Nobun1> sevu, shadowm: only to be sure... if my SDL2 is builded in /opt/sdl2 prefix
20171022 20:01:38< Nobun1> what is the right value for sdllib parameter?
20171022 20:01:52< Nobun1> In the previous build I putted /opt/sdl2
20171022 20:02:30< Nobun1> but should I put /opt/sdl2/lib instead?
20171022 20:09:23< shadowm> /opt/sdl2 is correct.
20171022 20:10:04< shadowm> LD_LIBRARY_PATH needs /opt/sdl2/lib instead because it's a more focused thing.
20171022 20:11:08< shadowm> The build scripts see /opt/sdl2 and know that the header files will be in include/ and the libraries in lib/. The dynamic linker (which is the thing that enables you to run most programs at all and reads the LD_LIBRARY_PATH variable) does not make any such guesses for you.
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20171022 20:26:08< Nobun1> yes... I thought so too, but I wanted to be sure :P
20171022 20:26:17< Nobun1> thank for confirming
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20171022 20:29:06< Nobun1> however, in theory, I would not require LD_LIBRARY_PATH
20171022 20:29:29< Nobun1> in the previous build (even if I experienced the segfault) ldd pointed to the /opt SDL2 libs
20171022 20:30:23< Nobun1> don't know if scons set ups the right liker flags to instruct where to search the lib in the runtime
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20171022 21:42:30< loonycyborg> can anyone tell Nobun about PKG_CONFIG_PATH? he seems to be always off when I'm here
20171022 21:43:11< loonycyborg> it could be used to make pkjg-config find the .pc file that is installed in /opt
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