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20171026 00:53:35< vultraz> celticminstrel: could you fix the DiD door setup macro?
20171026 00:54:21< vultraz> i can't figure out the right WFL to append an 'o' to the end of the terrain string to change the terrain :|
20171026 01:30:06< celticminstrel> terrain .. 'o'?
20171026 01:30:21< celticminstrel> This is assuming that the terrain string is available in WFL mind you...
20171026 01:31:19< celticminstrel> I also have no idea what the context is here.
20171026 01:34:16< vultraz>  need to concatenate WML variable with string
20171026 01:34:41< celticminstrel> In what context?
20171026 01:35:05< celticminstrel> Because $var|o is the most obvious solution.
20171026 01:35:26< celticminstrel> If you need to use WFL for whatever reason, $('$var' .. 'o')
20171026 01:35:47< celticminstrel> That would work in the same context as the first but is overly complex for this particular case.
20171026 01:37:29< vultraz> when did | become a thing?
20171026 01:37:39< celticminstrel> ...
20171026 01:37:55< celticminstrel> As far as I know it has always been a thing in WML variable substitution.
20171026 01:38:18< vultraz> ah right
20171026 01:38:19< vultraz> sorry
20171026 01:38:24< vultraz> been ages since I actually wrote WML
20171026 01:38:35< celticminstrel> XD
20171026 01:38:50< celticminstrel> Speaking of which, I still need to get my campaign released on 1.13 or so...
20171026 01:41:07< irker041> wesnoth: Charles Dang wesnoth:master c49c7263ba71 / data/campaigns/Descent_Into_Darkness/utils/macros.cfg: DiD: fixed door event SLFs https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/c49c7263ba71d6344668041a65b82e02a926164c
20171026 01:42:16< celticminstrel> Good thing you didn't need to close any doors?
20171026 01:42:24< celticminstrel> Though that would be possible somehow with WFL.
20171026 01:42:39< celticminstrel> If they're all the same length, I guess you could just use the slice notation.
20171026 01:42:46< vultraz> Wesnoth: where things that should be simple really aren't
20171026 01:43:09< celticminstrel> $('$door_to_open.terrain'[1~5]) or so.
20171026 01:43:21< celticminstrel> Maybe 0 not 1, I can't remember, and I just picked 5 from a hat.
20171026 01:44:13< celticminstrel> (Single quotes needed because WML variable substitution is straight string substitution, so you need to wrap it in quotes to get a WFL string. Of course, there would be problems if the variable itself contained quotes...)
20171026 01:44:16< vultraz> now, to return to simplifying lobby game display by shoving most of the data into a tooltip
20171026 01:45:28< vultraz> all those status icons are confusing!
20171026 01:45:45< vultraz> really the only relevant one is the key icon
20171026 01:45:51< celticminstrel> I dunno if a tooltip would necessarily be less confusing.
20171026 01:46:21< vultraz> well, since right now I can't yet have more complex tooltips since I have no way to pipe data to them
20171026 01:46:25< vultraz> would just be a text tooltip
20171026 01:46:28< vultraz> no icons
20171026 01:47:11< celticminstrel> Aww.
20171026 01:48:58< vultraz> tell me how to pipe data to tooltips, then :P
20171026 01:50:04< celticminstrel> Maybe you could have a [tooltip] subtag instead of a tooltip attribute.
20171026 01:50:12< celticminstrel> (For individual widgets, I mean.)
20171026 01:50:26< celticminstrel> IOW the tooltip is internally a config rather than a string.
20171026 01:50:49< vultraz> it's very complicated
20171026 01:51:07< celticminstrel> For backwards compatibility, if there's no tag but there's an attribute, that would be equivalent to [tooltip]text=whatever
20171026 01:51:52< celticminstrel> Then you'd probably also need a new tooltip type (instead of using tooltip or tooltip_large).
20171026 01:52:04< celticminstrel> One whose implementation uses the config in some defined way.
20171026 01:52:14< vultraz> the problem is tooltips are defined on a per-dialog basis
20171026 01:52:28< vultraz> but yeah, a per-widget [tooltip] tag is an idea...
20171026 01:52:41< celticminstrel> I think you might be slightly misunderstanding me.
20171026 01:53:23< celticminstrel> The per-widget tooltip tag replaces the tooltip attribute in my proposal - it's the content of the tooltip. It's not in any way equivalent to the existing [tooltip] tag in the resolution.
20171026 01:53:40< vultraz> yes
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20171026 03:07:24< vultraz> celticminstrel: I wonder if game name, scenario name, and turns/slots is enough info for the main list
20171026 03:07:50< vultraz> and maaaybe password protected
20171026 03:09:18< celticminstrel> What other info is there?
20171026 03:09:57< vultraz> era, mods, observers allowed, vision type, xp modifier, map size, starting (?) gold
20171026 03:10:32< celticminstrel> Observers allowed seems important enough to me.
20171026 03:10:36< celticminstrel> Unsure on the others.
20171026 03:11:10< celticminstrel> But I guess they're going in the tooltip, so it's not a question of should the info be present at all.
20171026 03:11:32< vultraz> if i could get appropriate icons i could make the inline Join and Observe buttons icon-based and then merge the observer status with that
20171026 03:11:47< vultraz> I'm mainly pondering Era
20171026 03:14:18< vultraz> celticminstrel: would + or -> be a more appropriate "Join" icon
20171026 03:14:45< celticminstrel> Both seem odd to me.
20171026 03:19:42< vultraz> suggest then what would you
20171026 03:35:12< celticminstrel> I dunno, a door?
20171026 03:35:40< vultraz> huh
20171026 03:35:42< vultraz> hmmm
20171026 03:35:47< vultraz> that could work
20171026 03:38:15< vultraz> thanks
20171026 04:00:18< Necrosporus> vultraz, where did you get error with backslashes in mainline?
20171026 04:00:32< Necrosporus> Core is not supposed to have any backslashes in path
20171026 04:00:37< vultraz> Many places
20171026 04:00:41< vultraz> Mostly unit files
20171026 04:00:45< Necrosporus> Can you name one or two?
20171026 04:00:55< Necrosporus> I'd like to take a look in those files
20171026 04:02:12< Necrosporus> $ grep -r '\\' data/core/units | wc -l
20171026 04:02:12< Necrosporus> 0
20171026 04:04:09< Necrosporus> $ grep -Ir '\\' data/core data/campaigns | egrep -v '(terrain|map)'
20171026 04:04:09< Necrosporus> data/campaigns/Under_the_Burning_Suns/lua/theme.lua:                    tooltip = _ "dehydrated: This unit is dehydrated. It will lose 4 HP and have its damage reduced by 1 each turn during the day unless prevented by healers or cured by water at an oasis.\n\nUnits cannot be killed or deal no damage as a result of dehydration."
20171026 04:04:34< Necrosporus> vultraz, there are no paths with backslashes in core at all, seems
20171026 04:04:59< vultraz> Hmmmmmmm.....
20171026 04:05:05< vultraz> Weird...
20171026 04:05:12< shadowm> Someone wasn't paying attention to what I said.
20171026 04:05:29< vultraz> I was getting at least two dozen errors or so. And I did see what shadows said but I didn’t understand it
20171026 04:05:38< shadowm> Colour me unimpressed.
20171026 04:05:59< Necrosporus> vultraz, give complete log of your warnings please
20171026 04:06:16< shadowm> Say Wesnoth autodetects your data dir to be C:\src\wesnoth.
20171026 04:06:36< shadowm> Say it has to resolve a preprocessor substitution such as {core/units}.
20171026 04:08:34< vultraz> I see
20171026 04:09:42< vultraz> Well that’s not optimal
20171026 04:09:50< vultraz> Er
20171026 04:10:02< vultraz> I mean it’s not optimal it spams warnings for that
20171026 04:10:24< shadowm> It's just speculation on my part. I have no idea what calls the function involved in the patch reversal.
20171026 04:10:26< Necrosporus> Since Windows can accept both kinds of slashes, perhaps paths should have \ substituted with / in autodetected directories?
20171026 04:11:16< Necrosporus> Such as C:\src\wesnoth should be replaced with C:/src/wesnoth in code which detects path?
20171026 04:11:19< shadowm> Ideally it'd do the inverse on UI-facing paths, actually.
20171026 04:11:47< shadowm> The reason is that some applications (including cmd.exe) will insist that / is not a valid path delimiter even if the API does accept it.
20171026 04:13:03< Necrosporus> Well, they have nothing to do with wesnoth, do they?
20171026 04:13:28< celticminstrel> They do if the path is shown in a place that you can copy from.
20171026 04:13:33< shadowm> SIgh.
20171026 04:13:48< celticminstrel> Such as the paths section in the about window.
20171026 04:13:57< celticminstrel> (Or was that in prefs?)
20171026 04:14:04< Necrosporus> or both?
20171026 04:14:13< shadowm> About.
20171026 04:14:54< shadowm> (1.13.x only. On 1.12 I decided to lump it together with stuff in Preferences → General.)
20171026 04:16:19< Necrosporus> Perhaps jyrki patch is simply checking separator in wrong place
20171026 04:16:41< Necrosporus> it should be checked before it gets appended to C:\...\ stuff
20171026 04:16:49< shadowm> "Jyrki patch" sounds like some kind of spicy meal.
20171026 04:17:02< shadowm> The magic of missing possessive inflections.
20171026 04:18:04< Necrosporus> The Patch of the Jyrki
20171026 04:19:10< Necrosporus> The Patch of Jyrki and Problem of Backslashes
20171026 04:30:21< Necrosporus> shadowm, what is your opinion on macOS problem? Currently any add-on uploaded from macOS will be broken elsewhere if there are unicode chars in resources. It can be solved in easy way, by disallowing unicode filenames, or in hard way, by forcing macOS users to keep filename normalization in sync with filesystem. Given how hard it is, it would mean disallowing unicode for mac uploaders in practice
20171026 04:32:18< Necrosporus> Alternatively macOS wesnoth could normalize names to NFC on upload and make sure that it's normalized to NFC in WML code, which would be slightly easier on users
20171026 04:35:00< Necrosporus> I think, whatever is the solution, wesnoth should never perform any normalization of unicode on GNU/Linux and Windows
20171026 04:35:33< shadowm> I feel there are better uses of my time than having to weigh into stuff that does not concern me in any concrete way whatsoever.
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20171026 04:36:19< Necrosporus> Can I take it that you don't mind merging of #2070 if '()& are added to whitelist?
20171026 04:36:47< JyrkiVesterinen> In that case I'm not opposed to merging it, but I still think it would be better not to.
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20171026 04:37:14< shadowm> Whitelist.
20171026 04:37:23< shadowm> What whitelist? We didn't do a whitelist.
20171026 04:37:30< Necrosporus> Yet
20171026 04:37:47< shadowm> I thought we decided to accept the blacklist approach and discard the whitelist PR.
20171026 04:37:59< shadowm> Otherwise why merge the blacklist PR in the first place?
20171026 04:38:01< Necrosporus> A-Za-z._-+@'()&
20171026 04:38:17< shadowm> That's not English.
20171026 04:38:21< shadowm> I asked a question.
20171026 04:38:51< Necrosporus> AI0867 said that he would merge blacklist because it's not controversial and then merge whitelist when there's some consensus
20171026 04:39:43< shadowm> That's not going to happen then.
20171026 04:40:02< shadowm> I strongly advise you seek a new subject to work on.
20171026 04:42:39< Necrosporus> I did find one, but it's not related to Wesnoth
20171026 04:43:19< shadowm> Cool.
20171026 04:45:19< shadowm> loonycyborg: Can you give me new instructions for cross-building Wesnoth and Boost with threads support for Windows? Everything I try goes horribly wrong.
20171026 04:47:52< shadowm> Oh.
20171026 04:48:14< shadowm> I'm trying to build with pthreads using a compiler that uses native threads instead.
20171026 04:49:54< shadowm> Okay, I still don't get a libboost_thread*.a
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20171026 09:37:07< irker797> wesnoth: Charles Dang wesnoth:master db8891fa3c03 / src/team.cpp: Fixup f878433 https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/db8891fa3c03530dc8ac612e700a7391f0e5391f
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20171026 10:05:15< Soliton> it'll be interesting to see how many of these refactoring mistakes will be found after 1.14 is released.
20171026 10:06:00< vultraz> :\
20171026 10:30:39< irker797> wesnoth: Charles Dang wesnoth:master dbf2847a44e6 / src/team.cpp: Fixup ff5d68f (fixes #2125) https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/dbf2847a44e6f988faf00bed9a6359586aa3baf6
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20171026 10:41:50< travis-ci> Build details : https://travis-ci.org/wesnoth/wesnoth/builds/293060440
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20171026 14:42:38< vultraz> gfgtdf: is it deliberate that only eras with type=hybrid are available in custom wesnothd instances?
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20171026 14:49:19< sevu> whatfor does era have a type? aren't eras mp only?
20171026 14:50:16< vultraz> hmm true...
20171026 14:50:19< vultraz> im not sure
20171026 14:50:23< vultraz> gfgtdf would know
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20171026 14:53:16< sevu> Also, if this isn't final, naming it sth. different than "type" would be better. Last time I asked someone about "type" in era, he thought it would
20171026 14:53:33< sevu> be the type as for unit types
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20171026 15:17:26< irker925> wesnoth: Charles Dang wesnoth:master e2a6979f602a / src/game_classification.cpp: Game Classification: formatting cleanup https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/e2a6979f602a1dd2e64a2460309e21850ff629d3
20171026 15:17:27< irker925> wesnoth: Charles Dang wesnoth:master 1bfa170856ed / src/ (9 files in 3 dirs): Backend changes to allow uses of proper display names for missing content in MP  https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/1bfa170856edacb235a35f5b6c3d874ff925f655
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20171026 15:19:42< vultraz> Oops, unintended change to multiplayer.cpp
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20171026 17:34:22< Gfgtdf> afaik current master doest support eras in mp, there was a short period in 1.13.0 where it was supported but it didnt really made sense to me
20171026 17:35:56< Gfgtdf> so that support was reverted, maybe some code of it is still left
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20171026 18:09:51< irker925> wesnoth: Rikard Falkeborn wesnoth:master a8f6df50e826 / src/ (6 files in 2 dirs): Add const to member functions https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/a8f6df50e826c1a59f385d3b81e15c08a3a2e7b5
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20171026 20:00:11< shadowm> "afaik current master doest support eras in mp"
20171026 20:00:21< shadowm> I hope he meant single-player.
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20171026 20:10:42< DeFender1031> shadowm, yeah, I was confused too.
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20171026 21:51:49< irker658> wesnoth: Charles Dang wesnoth:master f6ec9658dd9d / src/wesnoth.cpp: Fix command line arguments with spaces being broken on Windows https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/f6ec9658dd9df4e28a8093b7572179ad24e406cd
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20171026 22:43:07< irker658> wesnoth: Sofartin wesnoth:master 9ea059529cc0 / .gitignore: ignore Xcode 9 Index storage https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/9ea059529cc061accb33394835e9a5ed0515c981
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20171026 23:43:32-!- vultraz changed the topic of #wesnoth-dev to: 1.13.11 (1.14 RC1 OR Beta 3) scheduled Sunday, Nov. 19th, 00:01 AM | for Wesnoth Developers Channel | >>> Want to help? Go here: http://r.wesnoth.org/t42911 (and thanks!) <<< | Discord Server: https://discord.gg/tSmJS2E | Logs: http://irclogs.wesnoth.org | Bug tracker: http://bugs.wesnoth.org
20171026 23:47:13-!- vultraz changed the topic of #wesnoth-dev to: 1.13.11 (1.14 RC1 OR Beta 3) scheduled for Sunday, Nov. 19th, 00:01 AM | Wesnoth Developers Channel | >>> Want to help? Go here: http://r.wesnoth.org/t42911 (and thanks!) <<< | Discord Server: https://discord.gg/tSmJS2E | Logs: http://irclogs.wesnoth.org | Bug tracker: http://bugs.wesnoth.org
20171026 23:48:39< vultraz> I definitely think we can get 1.14 out by Christmas
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20171026 23:55:36< vultraz> celticminstrel: pending changes, have you?
20171026 23:59:12< celticminstrel> ???
20171026 23:59:29< vultraz> are you working on stuff
20171026 23:59:40< celticminstrel> No? Were you expecting me to be?
20171026 23:59:43< vultraz> you have 42 issues assigned to you :P
20171026 23:59:47< celticminstrel> Oh.
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