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20171028 17:06:25< irker752> wesnoth: Jyrki Vesterinen wesnoth:master c57b9a8f906b / RELEASE_NOTES changelog src/filesystem_boost.cpp: Revert "Revert "Disallow specifying file paths with backslashes"" https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/c57b9a8f906be3154b47d1cb4e1dc317e4214c30
20171028 17:06:25< irker752> wesnoth: Jyrki Vesterinen wesnoth:master a6df1750d146 / src/filesystem_boost.cpp: Save leader image paths with forward slashes https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/a6df1750d1463f4f0de8966e5f150a0067ca7361
20171028 17:06:25< irker752> wesnoth: Jyrki Vesterinen wesnoth:master 32621bddf6d8 / src/ (save_index.cpp save_index.hpp): Fix up leader image paths for existing saves https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/32621bddf6d8a6359d34fbc1e8b43d0f91f8776a
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20171028 20:07:22< sigurdfd> vultraz, zookeeper: is one of you the maintainer for AToTB? Any issues with merging PR 2105?
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20171028 20:29:36< zookeeper> sigurdfd, looks okay to me, except the apostrophe in "Reeve Hoban's keep" should be ’ :P
20171028 20:30:45< sigurdfd> ok, thanks
20171028 20:31:51< vultraz> I'm curious why that's a thing we do
20171028 20:32:01< vultraz> ’ vs ' 
20171028 20:32:07< vultraz> they're the same thing, one just looks more fancy
20171028 20:32:41< zookeeper> because it looks more fancy, i imagine.
20171028 20:33:01< zookeeper> on a completely unrelated note, if this is an actual feature then it's undocumented: https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/blob/master/data/campaigns/Two_Brothers/scenarios/03_Guarded_Castle.cfg#L361
20171028 20:34:48< zookeeper> also shouldn't this be "three days’ ride"? https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/blob/master/data/campaigns/Two_Brothers/scenarios/02_The_Chase.cfg#L453
20171028 20:37:36< vultraz> I'm... not entirely sure, actually 
20171028 20:37:46< vultraz> but I think yes
20171028 20:37:58< vultraz> But not sure
20171028 20:40:54< DeFender1031> i believe so
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20171028 20:50:41< sigurdfd> Don't know if it should be "three days' ride"
20171028 20:56:31< sigurdfd> zookeeper: doing anything with TSG at the moment?
20171028 20:56:49< zookeeper> nope. well, not actively right now, anyway.
20171028 20:57:22< zookeeper> there was that one guy who wanted that weird barrier thing that he only half-implemented properly, and i've been rather uninterested in rewriting all of it to make it good.
20171028 20:58:04< sigurdfd> I finally got around to playing the bandit branch, so I found a few touchups. And I want to see if I can fix the issues with Pebbles in the Flood
20171028 20:58:14< sigurdfd> what weird barrier thing?
20171028 20:59:38< zookeeper> i don't remember how to find it now, or if it even was in any thread.
20171028 20:59:52< sigurdfd> ok
20171028 21:00:17< DeFender1031> zookeeper, briefly describe?
20171028 21:03:06< zookeeper> in the bandit branch, m'brin has a magical barrier thing around him that only allows undead out, no player units in, and the mage council dudes in the last scenario can dispel it.
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20171028 21:06:27< sigurdfd> ok, that sounds useful
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20171028 21:07:17< zookeeper> the problem is, in addition to the added dialogue needing lots of work, the visuals look terrible because it's just a circle of void.
20171028 21:08:24< sigurdfd> sounds like that was overdone, and could be done more simply
20171028 21:11:37< sigurdfd> Rough ideas for TSG Pebbles in the Flood:
20171028 21:11:47< sigurdfd> Must hold out for a minimum number of turns, somewhere between 6-12, otherwise defeat, (haven’t bought enough time)
20171028 21:12:07< sigurdfd> Cap scenario at 30 turns have m’brin chant for multiple turns or something to cast a spell to strike down Gerrick if turn limit is reached.
20171028 21:12:21< sigurdfd> Make sure 1xp to level trick doesn’t work
20171028 21:12:43< zookeeper> isn't it supposed to not work now?
20171028 21:13:03< sigurdfd> I think so, gonna test it to make sure.
20171028 21:13:21< zookeeper> i seem to recall testing it specifically in that scenario
20171028 21:14:04< sigurdfd> ok. Any issues with the other things?
20171028 21:15:21< zookeeper> well, if the 1xp trick doesn't work, what's the rationale for any of the changes?
20171028 21:15:40< zookeeper> is there any reason to not let the player suicide immediately, if they want to?
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20171028 21:18:46< sigurdfd> I've seen people cite the scenario as a reason why TSG shouldn't have been first in the campaign lineup
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20171028 21:19:46< celticminstrel> Is this the final scenario?
20171028 21:20:16< sigurdfd> it seems like the scenario is not doing it's job to provide some sort of challenge to the player if they can just suicide right away
20171028 21:20:19< sigurdfd> no
20171028 21:21:46< sigurdfd> and the 30 turn cap just to make sure the player doesn't go on forever
20171028 21:22:12< zookeeper> well, if they suicide right away, they don't get any bonuses for the next one, so i don't really see it as a problem?
20171028 21:23:10< zookeeper> the scenario doesn't exist in isolation, so the fact that you can get through it doing literally nothing doesn't make it a bad scenario in my mind. you just get the consequences in the next one.
20171028 21:23:38< sigurdfd> Maybe just bad story to allow Gerrick to suicide?
20171028 21:25:00< zookeeper> no one's going to think the story is bad if the game allows them to suicide themselves in a silly fashion
20171028 21:25:54< zookeeper> i mean it's a game, it's supposed to let you do what you want within limits, it's not like it has to prevent you from intentionally making dramatically unsatisfying choices
20171028 21:27:28< zookeeper> you can always take any named unit that's allowed to die, put them in a pool of water and let vampire bats nibble them to death. it doesn't make that character's part in the story of a campaign bad :P
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20171028 21:27:50< sigurdfd> I suppose that's true
20171028 21:29:39< sigurdfd> found the barrier thread
20171028 21:29:55< zookeeper> i was under the impression that it's not practically possible to stay alive forever in that scenario anymore
20171028 21:31:01< zookeeper> in which case a turn limit shouldn't be necessary either... and if there are still some kind of AI loopholes, those should IMO be primarily closed by tweaking the AI appropriately
20171028 21:31:52< sigurdfd> https://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=45016
20171028 21:32:48< sigurdfd> ok
20171028 21:37:00< zookeeper> and by appropriately i mean accordingly! you should always tweak the AI appropriately, after all.
20171028 21:39:19< sigurdfd> ok
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20171028 21:55:00< sigurdfd> ok, maybe it needs less than I though.
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20171028 23:13:59< irker693> wesnoth: gfgtdf wesnoth:master e9c6dff56ad8 / / (12 files in 7 dirs): Slider refactor https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/e9c6dff56ad8283d19e539e27fde5ada6c73059c
20171028 23:13:59< irker693> wesnoth: gfgtdf wesnoth:master b49c843ff5b4 / src/gui/widgets/slider_base.cpp: remove unneeded special case handling. https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/b49c843ff5b49661d35457abcf5faf10cfffb037
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20171028 23:33:51< vultraz> holy shit that's a lot of fixes
20171028 23:33:58< vultraz> kudos, gfgtdf 
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20171028 23:35:50< vultraz> gfgtdf: i assume you ported the behavior in_orthogonal_range was supposed to be for? 
20171028 23:36:11< vultraz> ie, not allowing mouse movement unless it's in range of the slider?
20171028 23:36:46< irker693> wesnoth: gfgtdf wesnoth:master 496b234826cf / src/gui/widgets/slider.cpp: fix slider::set_value() https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/496b234826cf8d418f1986aff579a5f2a5589cb4
20171028 23:36:48< irker693> wesnoth: gfgtdf wesnoth:master e3e2747009ca / data/gui/window/mp_create_game.cfg: use step_size for exp modifer slider https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/e3e2747009cab5cafa09251962021ca2682ad403
20171028 23:37:21< gfgtdf> well it does allow mose movement
20171028 23:38:12< gfgtdf> iirc the reason for in_orthogonal_range  was that it moved the slider back when you moved the mouse back from the ouside area this doesnt happen anymore.
20171028 23:38:18< vultraz> the point of my original fix was you shouldn't be able to hold down the slider, drag to min/max value, and then drag back the other way and have the slider immediately move
20171028 23:38:43< vultraz> it shouldn;t start moving until the mouse was back in range
20171028 23:38:53< gfgtdf> yes that is fixed.
20171028 23:39:05< vultraz> ok ty
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20171028 23:50:42< irker693> wesnoth: sigurdfdragon wesnoth:master 45ae47e5ca93 / data/campaigns/Two_Brothers/utils/macros.cfg: AToTB: Add hint macro https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/45ae47e5ca933a6cffd3b081275c8ec18fea048d
20171028 23:50:44< irker693> wesnoth: sigurdfdragon wesnoth:master e2b7b77adfcd / data/campaigns/Two_Brothers/scenarios/ (4 files): AToTB: Add a hint on easy difficulty for each objective in the campaign https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/e2b7b77adfcdad1159ff3c3c227268751f34aa46
20171028 23:51:48< gfgtdf> i wonder whether we shodul support vertical sliders
20171028 23:52:54< gfgtdf> we coudl just move the definition of 'on_bar' & 'on_positioner' to formula, then we won't even need another class
20171028 23:53:02< gfgtdf> (c++ class)
20171028 23:58:16< celticminstrel> Ooooooh, nice slider work.
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