--- Log opened Tue Oct 31 00:00:58 2017 20171031 00:02:56-!- celticminstrel [~celmin@unaffiliated/celticminstrel] has joined #wesnoth 20171031 00:35:56-!- soloojos [~soloojos@gateway/tor-sasl/soloojos] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 20171031 00:36:51-!- usaki [~usaki@cgn85-194-4-166.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Quit: usaki] 20171031 00:39:08-!- soloojos [~soloojos@gateway/tor-sasl/soloojos] has joined #wesnoth 20171031 00:57:51-!- Narrat [~Narrat@p5DCC6953.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: They say a little knowledge is a dangerous thing, but it's not one half so bad as a lot of ignorance.] 20171031 01:16:50-!- prophile [~alynn@oftn/oswg-member/prophile] has quit [Quit: The Game] 20171031 02:58:25-!- celticminstrel [~celmin@unaffiliated/celticminstrel] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 20171031 02:58:49-!- synthpopisback [~synthpopi@2606:a000:7947:5000:94d8:c596:68aa:bdc] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20171031 02:59:12-!- synthpopisback [~synthpopi@2606:a000:7947:5000:94d8:c596:68aa:bdc] has joined #wesnoth 20171031 02:59:16-!- celticminstrel [~celmin@unaffiliated/celticminstrel] has joined #wesnoth 20171031 03:24:37-!- ArneBab [~quassel@55d44229.access.ecotel.net] has joined #wesnoth 20171031 03:24:37-!- ArneBab [~quassel@55d44229.access.ecotel.net] has quit [Changing host] 20171031 03:24:37-!- ArneBab [~quassel@freenet/developer/arnebab] has joined #wesnoth 20171031 03:28:27-!- ArneBab_ [~quassel@freenet/developer/arnebab] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20171031 03:31:31< wesnoth-discord-> It's certainly interesting 20171031 03:31:40< wesnoth-discord-> I dunno how you quantify "good" 20171031 03:31:53< wesnoth-discord-> it's long and has new mechanics 20171031 03:32:08< wesnoth-discord-> The writing isn't especially fantastic, but whaddaya want 20171031 03:55:45-!- celticminstrel [~celmin@unaffiliated/celticminstrel] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 20171031 03:55:52-!- celmin [~celmin@unaffiliated/celticminstrel] has joined #wesnoth 20171031 03:56:19-!- celmin is now known as celticminstrel 20171031 04:01:46-!- twb [~twb@203.7.155.119] has joined #wesnoth 20171031 04:02:08< twb> Some evil person told me that they have ellipse-hero-leader-top.png in their wesnoth 1.13 tree 20171031 04:02:16< twb> But I can't reproduce that! 20171031 04:02:23< twb> $ wget http://deb.debian.org/debian/pool/main/w/wesnoth-1.13/wesnoth-1.13-data_1.13.8-1_all.deb 20171031 04:02:27< twb> $ dpkg -c wesnoth-1.13-data_1.13.8-1_all.deb | grep ellipse | grep hero | grep leader 20171031 04:02:30< twb> ==> NOT THERE! 20171031 04:02:48< twb> I also can't see it at https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/tree/1.13.9/images/misc 20171031 04:21:11< wesnoth-discord-> It's not in current master either, at least 20171031 04:21:43< wesnoth-discord-> you can search from here: https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/find/master 20171031 04:21:55< wesnoth-discord-> that file name is nowhere 20171031 04:22:57-!- oldlaptop [~quassel@45.63.78.126] has quit [Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.] 20171031 04:24:10-!- oldlaptop [~quassel@45.63.78.126] has joined #wesnoth 20171031 05:02:52< twb> It's bloody weird 20171031 05:03:06< twb> I've run into at least 4 addons that all asked for those files (-top and -bottom) 20171031 05:03:21< twb> Could it be that it's an *old* file from e.g. 1.8 or 1.10? 20171031 05:03:28< twb> I tried checking 1.10 but didn't spot it 20171031 05:04:06< twb> I have a local copy of the git repo now, so I'll try that 20171031 05:04:29< twb> GIT_DIR=/srv/vcs/wesnoth.git tig --all -- images/misc/ellipse-hero-leader-top.png 20171031 05:04:30< twb> ...no hits 20171031 05:04:34< twb> bloody weird! 20171031 05:05:54< vultraz> there is no combo of hero and leader 20171031 05:05:59< vultraz> it's either hero OR leader 20171031 05:06:19< vultraz> I think you misunderstood me 20171031 05:10:13< wesnoth-discord-> twb: what add-ons? 20171031 05:12:11< twb> just a sec 20171031 05:14:53< twb> Pentarctagon: http://sprunge.us/baYH 20171031 05:16:06< twb> The symptoms are that stderr shows the exact missing image filename, and that (usually) the hex tile under some unit has (IIRC) "image not found" in black-on-yellow text 20171031 05:17:27< wesnoth-discord-> Bitter_Revenge at least doesn't even exist for 1.13. It's only on 1.12. 20171031 05:17:35< twb> Yes, all of my testing is on 1.12 20171031 05:17:55< twb> Sorry if I didn't mention that earlier 20171031 05:19:02< wesnoth-discord-> given you had mentioned wesnoth-1.13-data_1.13.8-1_all.deb and such, I assumed 1.13. 20171031 05:19:38< twb> Yeah sorry. Yesterday I was like "where are these images" and somebody said "I have them in 1.13", so when I came in today, it was as a result of me trying to cherry-pick those images from 1.13 and drop them into a 1.12 tree 20171031 05:20:32< twb> It's under The_Flight_of_Drakes in that paste --- looking at it now, I see that was also me not being clear --- oops! 20171031 05:20:56< Polsaker> ohh you're making an addon campaigns bundle? neeat 20171031 05:21:15< twb> Polsaker: exactly- but only for internal use 20171031 05:21:30< twb> I don't have the resources to support it in Debian proper 20171031 05:21:35< wesnoth-discord-> git log --all -- images/misc/ellipse-hero-leader-top.png returns nothing either, so honestly it looks like it's just a common typo 20171031 05:22:07< twb> Polsaker: but I can share with you my shitty build script, if you want it --- http://sprunge.us/DdTb?bash 20171031 05:22:15< Polsaker> I recommend you "To Lands Unknown", the author did some really neat stuff on that campaign 20171031 05:23:01< twb> Polsaker: that failed due to size limits 20171031 05:23:19< twb> Otherwise, yeah, I'd grab that 20171031 05:23:35< Polsaker> twb: I've moved to arch for a year now, but I like the idea of having an already sorted list of addons to try. I'm missing a lot of the stuff out there 20171031 05:24:04< Polsaker> huh, TLU failed due to size but not LotI? 20171031 05:24:22< twb> Polsaker: for me the important thing is to provide a "curated" list, which is similar to what the mainline campaigns already do upstream of me 20171031 05:24:48< twb> Polsaker: LOTI is 17MB; TLI is 178MB 20171031 05:25:21< twb> Also when I tested it, it crashed the H55 board after the first FMV cutscene ended 20171031 05:25:42< wesnoth-discord-> TLU has so many graphics things that make it huge 20171031 05:26:01< twb> Yep, also animated units which grows the per-unit size considerably 20171031 05:26:02< Polsaker> oh, right 20171031 05:26:05< wesnoth-discord-> yup 20171031 05:26:06< twb> It does look fantastic tho 20171031 05:26:24< twb> the 2.5D reminded me of fallout and such 20171031 05:26:26< Polsaker> It's been so long since I last downloaded them. I thought that with all the items and scenarios LotI would be bigger 20171031 05:26:36< wesnoth-discord-> code is basically free 20171031 05:26:41< twb> LOTI is mostly text so much smaller overall 20171031 05:26:43< wesnoth-discord-> when it comes to size 20171031 05:27:00< wesnoth-discord-> it basically goes music > graphics > code 20171031 05:27:12< twb> If you look at that ?bash URL there's a size summary around line 70 20171031 05:27:31< Polsaker> I never really got to finish LotI though 20171031 05:27:41< Polsaker> closest I got was scenario 75 i think 20171031 05:27:59< twb> http://sprunge.us/EajI?python is a tool to scrape the addons metadata into an sqlite3 database for easier querying 20171031 05:39:38< twb> So anyway 20171031 05:40:03< twb> pentarctagon: I can do a bulk edit to fix all the .cfg's that refer to those wrong image names 20171031 05:40:13< twb> pentarctagon: but what should I change them *to*? 20171031 05:40:25< twb> misc/ellipse-leader-top.png or misc/ellipse-hero-top.png ? 20171031 05:43:01< wesnoth-discord-> I don't know how you would know. It's not like the add-on won't work with a missing image though. 20171031 05:43:37< wesnoth-discord-> you could look at each of the add-ons and try to figure out what they actually meant 20171031 05:44:06< twb> Grmph 20171031 05:44:44< twb> It works but it looks dumb to have an error under the PC (or their allies, or the enemy boss) consttantly 20171031 05:45:06< twb> I'm sorta inclined to just pick one of the two and have it be wrong sometimes instead of missing 20171031 05:46:59-!- celticminstrel [~celmin@unaffiliated/celticminstrel] has quit [Quit: KABOOM! It seems that I have exploded. Please wait while I reinstall the universe.] 20171031 05:50:35< wesnoth-discord-> there are a fair number of warnings/errors that get logged, but are never displayed on the screen, so add-on authors never know to fix them. if a few missing images are all that you see logged from all those add-ons, I'd be amazed. 20171031 05:50:56< twb> hehe OK 20171031 06:05:42-!- soloojos [~soloojos@gateway/tor-sasl/soloojos] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20171031 06:06:09-!- soloojos [~soloojos@gateway/tor-sasl/soloojos] has joined #wesnoth 20171031 06:25:12-!- soloojos [~soloojos@gateway/tor-sasl/soloojos] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20171031 06:25:39-!- soloojos [~soloojos@gateway/tor-sasl/soloojos] has joined #wesnoth 20171031 06:35:58-!- soloojos [~soloojos@gateway/tor-sasl/soloojos] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20171031 07:02:35-!- nore [~ncourant@sas.eleves.ens.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20171031 07:03:44-!- nore [~ncourant@sas.eleves.ens.fr] has joined #wesnoth 20171031 07:36:44-!- Haudegen [~quassel@178.115.237.87] has joined #wesnoth 20171031 09:25:08-!- zookeeper [~lmsnie@wesnoth/developer/zookeeper] has joined #wesnoth 20171031 09:28:22< wesnoth-discord-> ellipse paths are somewhat automatically formed, so if people put something like misc/ellipse-hero.png to their addon, then game would look for misc/ellipse-hero-top.png (also this changed between 1.12 and 1.13) 20171031 09:47:41-!- twb [~twb@203.7.155.119] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20171031 10:03:53-!- nkr [~nkr@2804:14c:44:873e:d1ff:df28:cc48:b08a] has joined #wesnoth 20171031 10:07:15-!- nkr [~nkr@2804:14c:44:873e:d1ff:df28:cc48:b08a] has left #wesnoth [] 20171031 10:43:12-!- sevu [~Shiki@p548555D8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #wesnoth 20171031 10:43:55< sevu> the change was even earlier, between 1.10 and 1.12 20171031 10:44:42< sevu> I think you have this problem if your leader is an hero to, e.g. with the {IS_HERO} macro 20171031 10:51:38-!- Haudegen [~quassel@178.115.237.87] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20171031 11:10:34-!- aeth [~Michael@wesnoth/umc-dev/developer/aethaeryn] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20171031 11:12:05-!- aeth [~Michael@wesnoth/umc-dev/developer/aethaeryn] has joined #wesnoth 20171031 11:28:57-!- sevu [~Shiki@p548555D8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20171031 11:58:12-!- Haudegen [~quassel@212-186-77-29.static.upcbusiness.at] has joined #wesnoth 20171031 11:59:12-!- Ravana_ [~Ravana@unaffiliated/ravana/x-2327071] has quit [Disconnected by services] 20171031 11:59:42-!- Ravana_ [~Ravana@unaffiliated/ravana/x-2327071] has joined #wesnoth 20171031 12:04:04-!- vladimirslavik [vslavik@nat/redhat/x-pawhkxyqwizbyzbq] has joined #wesnoth 20171031 12:17:30-!- vladimirslavik [vslavik@nat/redhat/x-pawhkxyqwizbyzbq] has quit [Changing host] 20171031 12:17:30-!- vladimirslavik [vslavik@wesnoth/translator/VladimirSlavik] has joined #wesnoth 20171031 12:46:57-!- APic [apic@apic.name] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 20171031 12:47:35-!- APic [apic@apic.name] has joined #wesnoth 20171031 12:50:00-!- prophile [~alynn@oftn/oswg-member/prophile] has joined #wesnoth 20171031 14:25:26-!- synthpopisback [~synthpopi@2606:a000:7947:5000:94d8:c596:68aa:bdc] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20171031 14:25:57-!- synthpopisback [~synthpopi@2606:a000:7947:5000:94d8:c596:68aa:bdc] has joined #wesnoth 20171031 14:32:58-!- vultraz [uid24821@wesnoth/developer/vultraz] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 20171031 14:37:16-!- soloojos [~soloojos@gateway/tor-sasl/soloojos] has joined #wesnoth 20171031 15:07:41-!- Kranix [~magnus@192.38.141.68] has joined #wesnoth 20171031 15:22:09-!- vladimirslavik [vslavik@wesnoth/translator/VladimirSlavik] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20171031 15:23:00-!- vladimirslavik [vslavik@nat/redhat/x-bczqvwbaikmoirvh] has joined #wesnoth 20171031 15:49:52-!- soloojos [~soloojos@gateway/tor-sasl/soloojos] has quit [Write error: Connection reset by peer] 20171031 16:06:44-!- vultraz [uid24821@wesnoth/developer/vultraz] has joined #wesnoth 20171031 16:24:39-!- Kranix [~magnus@192.38.141.68] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 20171031 16:39:27-!- Haudegen [~quassel@212-186-77-29.static.upcbusiness.at] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20171031 16:52:40-!- nkr_ [~nkr@177.189.210.21] has joined #wesnoth 20171031 16:53:11-!- nkr_ [~nkr@177.189.210.21] has left #wesnoth [] 20171031 17:12:33-!- cyphase [~cyphase@unaffiliated/cyphase] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 20171031 17:15:00< wesnoth-discord-> 5. Posting or discussing graphical, controversial, illicit, or political content is not allowed. welp, I guess we can't discuss spriting here 😉 20171031 17:19:48< wesnoth-discord-> 🤦 20171031 17:32:53< wesnoth-discord-> Is a sprite not a graphical matter? 😛 20171031 17:33:11< wesnoth-discord-> I should stop 20171031 17:42:29< DeFender1031> I think that should read "graphic", not "graphical" 20171031 17:44:42< wesnoth-discord-> Probably, but the literal meaning reads the same 20171031 17:44:50< wesnoth-discord-> Sometimes I hate English 20171031 17:45:00< wesnoth-discord-> sometimes Usually 20171031 17:54:43-!- vladimirslavik [vslavik@nat/redhat/x-bczqvwbaikmoirvh] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20171031 17:58:21-!- Haudegen [~quassel@178.115.237.87] has joined #wesnoth 20171031 18:42:51-!- cyphase [~cyphase@unaffiliated/cyphase] has joined #wesnoth 20171031 18:54:04-!- Narrat [~Narrat@p5DCC6953.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #wesnoth 20171031 19:07:21< loonycyborg> I think "graphical" should be replaced with "visceral" :P 20171031 19:29:15-!- Kranix [~magnus@xd520f683.cust.hiper.dk] has joined #wesnoth 20171031 21:08:33-!- Kranix [~magnus@xd520f683.cust.hiper.dk] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 20171031 21:16:10-!- claymore [~claymore@unaffiliated/claymore] has joined #wesnoth 20171031 21:37:37-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20171031 21:37:48-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth 20171031 21:41:22-!- sevu [~Shiki@p548555D8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #wesnoth 20171031 21:56:59-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20171031 21:57:07-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth 20171031 21:58:29-!- claymore [~claymore@unaffiliated/claymore] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20171031 22:04:12-!- usaki [~usaki@cgn85-194-4-166.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #wesnoth 20171031 23:15:58-!- zookeeper [~lmsnie@wesnoth/developer/zookeeper] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 20171031 23:52:05-!- celticminstrel [~celmin@unaffiliated/celticminstrel] has joined #wesnoth --- Log closed Wed Nov 01 00:00:00 2017