--- Log opened Fri Dec 01 00:00:39 2017 20171201 00:14:59-!- zookeeper [~lmsnie@wesnoth/developer/zookeeper] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20171201 00:42:38-!- prophile [~alynn@oftn/oswg-member/prophile] has quit [Quit: The Game] 20171201 01:14:24-!- Haudegen [~quassel@212-186-77-29.static.upcbusiness.at] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20171201 02:13:05-!- Murgatroyd [~Vadatajs@63-152-111-149.cdrr.qwest.net] has joined #wesnoth 20171201 02:19:17-!- APic_ [apic@apic.name] has joined #wesnoth 20171201 02:21:12-!- Vadatajs [~Vadatajs@63-152-111-149.cdrr.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 20171201 02:22:44-!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: APic 20171201 02:42:35-!- Narrat [~Narrat@p5DCC6A81.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: They say a little knowledge is a dangerous thing, but it's not one half so bad as a lot of ignorance.] 20171201 02:50:18-!- TEttinger [~notostrac@76-217-24-171.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #wesnoth 20171201 02:53:36< TEttinger> I'm not sure if this question is too developer-oriented for this particular Wesnoth-related channel (is there a dev channel?), but I'm interested in the pixel art downscaling algorithms used by Wesnoth. I really like the style of Wesnoth's pixel art, and I'm curious how zooming out, shrinking the units, is handled graphically 20171201 02:55:17< wesnoth-discord-> TEttinger: there is in fact a #wesnoth-dev channel 20171201 02:55:30< TEttinger> great, thanks wesnoth-discord- 20171201 02:55:46< TEttinger> er, pydsigner 20171201 03:20:16< wesnoth-discord-> πŸ˜ƒ 20171201 03:28:37-!- ArneBab_ [~quassel@freenet/developer/arnebab] has joined #wesnoth 20171201 03:33:20-!- ArneBab [~quassel@freenet/developer/arnebab] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 20171201 04:19:12-!- synthpopisback [~synthpopi@cpe-2606-A000-7947-5000-85BD-5952-8496-E67E.dyn6.twc.com] has left #wesnoth ["Leaving"] 20171201 04:35:31-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20171201 04:35:42-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth 20171201 06:44:20-!- cyphase [~cyphase@unaffiliated/cyphase] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20171201 06:59:56-!- zookeeper [~lmsnie@wesnoth/developer/zookeeper] has joined #wesnoth 20171201 07:21:28-!- cyphase [~cyphase@unaffiliated/cyphase] has joined #wesnoth 20171201 07:58:38-!- vn971 [~vasya@94.158.103.15] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20171201 08:48:39-!- vladimirslavik [vslavik@nat/redhat/x-pbbfkwbjbrvscvlx] has joined #wesnoth 20171201 09:04:44-!- vladimirslavik [vslavik@nat/redhat/x-pbbfkwbjbrvscvlx] has quit [Changing host] 20171201 09:04:44-!- vladimirslavik [vslavik@wesnoth/translator/VladimirSlavik] has joined #wesnoth 20171201 10:09:33-!- Haudegen [~quassel@178.115.237.87] has joined #wesnoth 20171201 10:20:39-!- soloojos [~soloojos@gateway/tor-sasl/soloojos] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20171201 10:20:44-!- sooojos [~soloojos@gateway/tor-sasl/soloojos] has joined #wesnoth 20171201 10:31:05-!- TEttinger [~notostrac@76-217-24-171.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20171201 10:41:22-!- APic_ is now known as APic 20171201 11:26:04< wesnoth-discord-> Hey! I am searching for a scenarion i playd years ago: You are controlling one hero, which you are upgrading all the time and after you kill one unit your turn gets resetted... The aim of the game is to kill all the enemy bosses. It was a multiplayer map... can you guys help me? πŸ˜› 20171201 11:30:06< Soliton> sounds like some survival extreme add-on. 20171201 11:31:24-!- claymore [~claymore@unaffiliated/claymore] has joined #wesnoth 20171201 11:32:51< wesnoth-discord-> Which maps are legal in 1v1 ladder? 20171201 11:42:24< wesnoth-discord-> yeah it was survivalxtreme! That one is not updated tho 😒 but i can still play it with an old version of wesnoth? 20171201 11:47:24-!- sooojos [~soloojos@gateway/tor-sasl/soloojos] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20171201 11:57:24-!- vultraz [uid24821@wesnoth/developer/vultraz] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 20171201 12:20:15-!- claymore [~claymore@unaffiliated/claymore] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 20171201 12:25:47< wesnoth-discord-> TEttinger, it's... not handled at all? Just the most generic scaling (bilinear, bicubic?) algorithms imaginable 20171201 12:26:15< wesnoth-discord-> i say this as someone who has never even looked at wesnoth source? 20171201 12:27:04< wesnoth-discord-> With that status you shouldn't say anything about it. πŸ˜› 20171201 12:27:11< wesnoth-discord-> 😦 20171201 12:27:13< wesnoth-discord-> We're using xBRZ scaling: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pixel-art_scaling_algorithms#xBR_family 20171201 12:27:29< wesnoth-discord-> what 20171201 12:27:40< wesnoth-discord-> I'm pretty sure zoom levels blur the sprites 20171201 12:28:33< wesnoth-discord-> >_> okay so i probably misremembered 20171201 12:28:36< wesnoth-discord-> I'm a bit drunk as well 20171201 12:33:26< wesnoth-discord-> so! 20171201 12:33:41< wesnoth-discord-> I bet you don't hear this question often enough to properly inspire you, 20171201 12:33:49< wesnoth-discord-> when will Wesnoth release on steam? 20171201 12:34:15< wesnoth-discord-> When Wesnoth 1.14.0 is done. πŸ˜› 20171201 12:35:50< wesnoth-discord-> who is @Tad Carlucci ? 20171201 12:36:51< wesnoth-discord-> One of the programmers in this project. He started contributing in summer 2016. 20171201 12:37:10< wesnoth-discord-> oh! 20171201 12:39:44< wesnoth-discord-> okay, I downloaded wesnoth and tried it out, 20171201 12:40:14< wesnoth-discord-> zoom level <100% blurs sprites, zoom level > 100% does not? 20171201 12:40:21< wesnoth-discord-> what's the rationale behind that? 20171201 12:41:20< wesnoth-discord-> by blurs i mean, creates new average colors 20171201 12:42:43< wesnoth-discord-> (average as in, average between the colors of pixels on the actual sprite) 20171201 12:44:51< wesnoth-discord-> I'm not sure if that's even supposed to be happening. 🀷 20171201 12:46:33< wesnoth-discord-> Are you testing with 1.12 or 1.13? It's 1.13 that uses xBRZ by default. 20171201 12:46:38< wesnoth-discord-> 1.12 20171201 12:48:31< wesnoth-discord-> Okay. 1.12 and 1.13 indeed use different scaling algorithms by default. 1.12 uses bilinear scaling (which is indeed terrible for downscaling pixel art), whereas 1.13 uses xBRZ for upscaling and nearest-neighbor for downscaling. 20171201 12:48:49< wesnoth-discord-> ok! 20171201 13:04:54-!- Haudegen [~quassel@178.115.237.87] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20171201 13:51:42-!- DeFender1031 [~DeFender1@89-139-219-165.bb.netvision.net.il] has quit [Quit: I'm not back now.] 20171201 14:03:57-!- Haudegen [~quassel@212-186-77-29.static.upcbusiness.at] has joined #wesnoth 20171201 14:12:16-!- vslavik [vslavik@nat/redhat/x-qcskeorhtduyuhwq] has joined #wesnoth 20171201 14:14:55-!- vladimirslavik [vslavik@wesnoth/translator/VladimirSlavik] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 20171201 14:35:13-!- claymore [~claymore@unaffiliated/claymore] has joined #wesnoth 20171201 14:36:33-!- vslavik is now known as vladimirslavik 20171201 14:36:36-!- vladimirslavik [vslavik@nat/redhat/x-qcskeorhtduyuhwq] has quit [Changing host] 20171201 14:36:36-!- vladimirslavik [vslavik@wesnoth/translator/VladimirSlavik] has joined #wesnoth 20171201 15:18:55-!- Bonobo [~Bonobo@203.63.76.34] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 20171201 15:19:30< wesnoth-discord-> ?play https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8gbq263jOB0 20171201 15:20:12< wesnoth-discord-> sorry wrong server 20171201 15:22:18-!- vultraz [uid24821@wesnoth/developer/vultraz] has joined #wesnoth 20171201 15:22:43< wesnoth-discord-> that was my friend 20171201 15:26:46< wesnoth-discord-> He took my comp 20171201 15:51:29< wesnoth-discord-> Technically any 1v1 map is allowed if both players agree. If by some chance you trick your opponent by using some completely obscure map, well his fault I guess. 20171201 16:09:56-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20171201 16:10:05-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth 20171201 16:37:17-!- Haudegen [~quassel@212-186-77-29.static.upcbusiness.at] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20171201 17:08:35-!- vladimirslavik [vslavik@wesnoth/translator/VladimirSlavik] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20171201 17:12:32-!- Kranix [~magnus@x1-6-f4-6b-ef-d1-1f-e3.cpe.webspeed.dk] has joined #wesnoth 20171201 18:00:40-!- Haudegen [~quassel@178.115.237.87] has joined #wesnoth 20171201 18:05:04-!- Haudegen [~quassel@178.115.237.87] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20171201 18:07:09-!- Haudegen [~quassel@178.115.237.87] has joined #wesnoth 20171201 18:20:27-!- soloojos [~soloojos@gateway/tor-sasl/soloojos] has joined #wesnoth 20171201 20:45:59-!- Narrat [~Narrat@p5DCC6A81.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #wesnoth 20171201 22:05:38-!- sigurdfd [sigurdfd@dynamic-acs-72-23-110-196.zoominternet.net] has joined #wesnoth 20171201 22:14:05-!- claymore [~claymore@unaffiliated/claymore] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20171201 22:44:11< wesnoth-discord-> What is the best faction 20171201 22:44:22< wesnoth-discord-> What is the best factionΒ΄? 20171201 22:45:14< wesnoth-discord-> I think knalgans are best faction because they have many axes and hammers 20171201 22:45:18< wesnoth-discord-> it's stuff you can relate to 20171201 22:45:32< wesnoth-discord-> i see axes and hammers often 20171201 22:45:44< wesnoth-discord-> and so it feels like, real you know 20171201 22:46:59< wesnoth-discord-> It goes down all the way. The conflicts in the World of Wesnoth are caused because the dwards keep seeing other people as nails 20171201 22:47:19< wesnoth-discord-> because if you have a hammer, and nothing else, then every problem becomes a nail 20171201 22:47:39< wesnoth-discord-> dwarfs* 20171201 22:48:33< wesnoth-discord-> do you agree or siagree? 20171201 22:48:36< wesnoth-discord-> disagree 20171201 22:48:37< wesnoth-discord-> * 20171201 22:50:24< wesnoth-discord-> I like the rebels. Healing is awesome. 20171201 22:50:25< wesnoth-discord-> hard to say 20171201 22:50:45< wesnoth-discord-> also you can punch your enemies with trees. 20171201 22:54:14< wesnoth-discord-> that is something easily replicable in real life 20171201 22:54:21< wesnoth-discord-> just get a stick and hit people 20171201 22:54:26< wesnoth-discord-> the stick came from a tree 20171201 22:54:44< wesnoth-discord-> i think we have a semantics problem here 20171201 22:54:46< wesnoth-discord-> you can imagine that you are like assisting a paraplegic wose in his wish to punch that person 20171201 22:58:03-!- zookeeper [~lmsnie@wesnoth/developer/zookeeper] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 20171201 23:00:05-!- Kranix [~magnus@x1-6-f4-6b-ef-d1-1f-e3.cpe.webspeed.dk] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 20171201 23:01:40< wesnoth-discord-> 😦 20171201 23:01:44< wesnoth-discord-> you are boring people 20171201 23:02:34< wesnoth-discord-> Sorry 😦 20171201 23:02:48< wesnoth-discord-> i liked the dwarf part more xD 20171201 23:03:41< wesnoth-discord-> i give it 6/10 XD 20171201 23:23:37< wesnoth-discord-> i like spears more than hammers 20171201 23:24:07< wesnoth-discord-> sure you can hammer some skinny guys all night long because they are skeletons 20171201 23:24:19< wesnoth-discord-> and u can do it all day long too 20171201 23:24:30< wesnoth-discord-> but it gets tiresome u know 20171201 23:25:19< wesnoth-discord-> on other hand loyalists are muscular and love to do it during day more than night and incorporate horses in their play 20171201 23:25:43< wesnoth-discord-> and just the idea of spears getting shoved somewhere deep in soft flesh 20171201 23:25:50< wesnoth-discord-> is really nice 20171201 23:26:56< wesnoth-discord-> people should sleep at night thats just how things are 20171201 23:26:57< wesnoth-discord-> people should sleep at night thats just how things are 20171201 23:26:57< wesnoth-discord-> undead are low test idiots 20171201 23:27:35< wesnoth-discord-> people should sleep at night thats just how things are 20171201 23:27:39< wesnoth-discord-> undead are low test idiots 20171201 23:28:00< wesnoth-discord-> is often awake during part of the night 20171201 23:28:17< wesnoth-discord-> πŸ˜› 20171201 23:28:24< wesnoth-discord-> and rebels are also weak and anemic 20171201 23:28:54< wesnoth-discord-> and rebels are also weak and anemic 20171201 23:29:50< wesnoth-discord-> seriously man eat some burgers and get your spear wet 20171201 23:29:57< wesnoth-discord-> with blood of enemies 20171201 23:30:18< wesnoth-discord-> no wonder rebels love fisting so much with woses 20171201 23:30:54< wesnoth-discord-> stomach empty all the time from elvish no meat LOW TEST soy diet 20171201 23:31:11< wesnoth-discord-> have to fill yourself up some way yknow 20171201 23:32:13< wesnoth-discord-> i mean cmon man adepts dont even punch back. skele archer makes punches because low calcium bones can only hold a single weapon at lv1 20171201 23:33:12< wesnoth-discord-> just put ur spear in some dudes and enjoy the grunting and screaming. its that simple 20171201 23:33:43< wesnoth-discord-> yo are you alright my dude 20171201 23:34:03< wesnoth-discord-> yeah dude im great 20171201 23:36:06< wesnoth-discord-> healing? who needs healing if you are a strong human spearman. only puny low test elves need that, get punched a couple times from skele archer or get hit by an orc sword? bam u are within kill range already 20171201 23:37:22< wesnoth-discord-> dont even dare to use the sword unless there is a lv2 captain around to teach you, because they are weak and puny 20171201 23:46:57< wesnoth-discord-> So strange... 20171201 23:48:44< wesnoth-discord-> @Pentarctagon I forgive you 20171201 23:48:48< wesnoth-discord-> god said loyalist is best faction. if u dont believe, why are all holy books written by human race? 20171201 23:49:19< wesnoth-discord-> not elf or skeleton or lizard? 20171201 23:49:22< wesnoth-discord-> Why are all books written by human race πŸ€” 20171201 23:50:50< wesnoth-discord-> exactly because what happened is loyalists in IRL took their spears and plunged it in all the elves and lizards and insomniacs and orcs and dwarves and criminals 20171201 23:50:52< wesnoth-discord-> gg 20171201 23:51:14< wesnoth-discord-> praise the lieutenant 20171201 23:52:20< wesnoth-discord-> I wish Default had a faction of Loyalist-chimpanzees, who are like loyalists but cannot use anything right 20171201 23:52:46< wesnoth-discord-> perhaps they should be cheaper, so it would be balanced, right? 20171201 23:52:52< wesnoth-discord-> noob units from talentless mage 20171201 23:53:12< wesnoth-discord-> chimpanzee-mage. He/(she can still hit people with the swtick 20171201 23:53:28< wesnoth-discord-> also idk. if question about balance is serious, maps must be redesigned too 20171201 23:53:46< wesnoth-discord-> no 20171201 23:53:47< wesnoth-discord-> and u cant fix everything by just changing gold values 20171201 23:53:54< wesnoth-discord-> ok 20171201 23:54:01< wesnoth-discord-> it is undignified to redesign something for chimpanzees 20171201 23:54:17-!- Bonobo [~Bonobo@203.63.76.34] has joined #wesnoth 20171201 23:54:19< wesnoth-discord-> mages can do a lot of damage with stick 20171201 23:54:35< wesnoth-discord-> i had a strong mage retal a gryph at day 20171201 23:54:43< wesnoth-discord-> with leadership 20171201 23:55:00< wesnoth-discord-> 9 damage from mage in melee? ridiculous 20171201 23:56:19< wesnoth-discord-> the mage trains HARD 20171201 23:57:11< wesnoth-discord-> yeah get that nice lieutenant right behind him showing him how to swing the stick like a baseball bat 20171201 23:57:22< wesnoth-discord-> and bam homerun 20171201 23:57:47< wesnoth-discord-> bop that bird, fried chicken for dinner 20171201 23:57:58< wesnoth-discord-> hoo ah --- Log closed Sat Dec 02 00:00:42 2017