--- Log opened Fri Dec 08 00:00:52 2017 20171208 00:32:04-!- Ravana_ [~Ravana@unaffiliated/ravana/x-2327071] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 20171208 00:43:41< wesnoth-discord-> @Grandos *the Soul of Wit 20171208 00:43:49< wesnoth-discord-> cmon man dont fk it up those are easy points 20171208 00:44:16< wesnoth-discord-> now you made yourself look witless 20171208 00:44:32-!- soloojos [~soloojos@gateway/tor-sasl/soloojos] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20171208 00:50:14-!- madmax28 [madmax28ma@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-agvjaiymsvqkaehe] has joined #wesnoth 20171208 00:54:55-!- Ravana_ [~Ravana@unaffiliated/ravana/x-2327071] has joined #wesnoth 20171208 00:56:01< wesnoth-discord-> @ex nihilo The joke is that I'm making the original "brevit is the Soul of Wit" even shorter. 20171208 01:01:40-!- soloojos [~soloojos@gateway/tor-sasl/soloojos] has joined #wesnoth 20171208 01:09:43< wesnoth-discord-> Wit? Great character in Way of Kings 20171208 01:10:00< wesnoth-discord-> Anyone besides @Martinator interested in having a Spanish channel? 20171208 01:11:06< wesnoth-discord-> i like jokes too but i dont think that ones very good 20171208 01:11:21< wesnoth-discord-> oh well at least you werent fking it up without knowing 20171208 01:16:29< wesnoth-discord-> I have a good joke~! Why did the tailor get an award? 20171208 01:20:54< wesnoth-discord-> Because he did his vest~ 20171208 01:24:03-!- desttinghim[m] [desttinghi@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-goebhadcvtwvieeo] has joined #wesnoth 20171208 01:24:35< wesnoth-discord-> @Hamel Also you were right, Return from The Abyss is pretty hard. 20171208 01:28:28< wesnoth-discord-> Because he did his vest~ I hope he has a side join as a rope maker because that was knot very good... 20171208 01:30:22< wesnoth-discord-> Hahahah. I have better ones. 20171208 01:31:52< wesnoth-discord-> Did you hear about the explosion in the cheese factory? There was debrie everywhere 20171208 01:32:38< wesnoth-discord-> Bah dum tish. 20171208 01:45:55-!- mattsc [~mattsc@wesnoth/developer/mattsc] has quit [Quit: So long and thanks for all the fish.] 20171208 01:47:00-!- soloojos [~soloojos@gateway/tor-sasl/soloojos] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20171208 01:47:35-!- soloojos [~soloojos@gateway/tor-sasl/soloojos] has joined #wesnoth 20171208 01:49:02< wesnoth-discord-> @shadowm are you still there? 20171208 01:50:12-!- DreadKnight [~DreadKnig@unaffiliated/dreadknight] has quit [Quit: #AncientBeast - Master Your Beasts ( www.AncientBeast.com )] 20171208 02:07:32-!- mattsc [~mattsc@d99-199-0-77.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #wesnoth 20171208 02:07:40-!- mattsc [~mattsc@d99-199-0-77.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Changing host] 20171208 02:07:40-!- mattsc [~mattsc@wesnoth/developer/mattsc] has joined #wesnoth 20171208 02:26:30-!- Haudegen [~quassel@212-186-77-29.static.upcbusiness.at] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20171208 02:56:41-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20171208 02:56:52-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth 20171208 03:06:15-!- Narrat [~Narrat@p5DCC6A81.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: They say a little knowledge is a dangerous thing, but it's not one half so bad as a lot of ignorance.] 20171208 03:29:46-!- ArneBab_ [~quassel@freenet/developer/arnebab] has joined #wesnoth 20171208 03:32:30< janebot> wesnoth: iOS update disaster (by /u/cold-hard-steel) https://redd.it/7ic1en 20171208 03:33:03< wesnoth-discord-> @sinda ^ 20171208 03:33:53-!- ArneBab [~quassel@freenet/developer/arnebab] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 20171208 03:56:08< wesnoth-discord-> gg i wanna kms 20171208 03:56:11< wesnoth-discord-> btc 20171208 03:56:12< wesnoth-discord-> q.q 20171208 03:56:15< wesnoth-discord-> why btc 20171208 03:56:20< wesnoth-discord-> why when I sell last week 20171208 03:56:21< wesnoth-discord-> why 20171208 03:56:24< wesnoth-discord-> W H Y 20171208 03:59:19< wesnoth-discord-> BTC is something you should buy only with spare money as a hobby speculation 20171208 03:59:48< wesnoth-discord-> Using it as an wealth-building investment is dangerous as all get out 20171208 04:00:19< wesnoth-discord-> I once tried to buy BTC as an investment... but Mt.Gox went down before I could do it. 20171208 04:00:30< wesnoth-discord-> When that happened, I decided to just give up on that. 20171208 04:00:41< wesnoth-discord-> (BTC was ~$500 at the time.) 20171208 04:01:06< wesnoth-discord-> (cough Wilklevoss cough) 20171208 04:01:18< wesnoth-discord-> * Winklevoss, even 20171208 04:03:22< wesnoth-discord-> Anyways, time to finish Fellowship of the Ring Extended 20171208 04:06:00< wesnoth-discord-> bitcoin has been vastly more profitable than any stock imaginable, no? 20171208 04:06:20< wesnoth-discord-> Yes. It's worth about $12,000 right now. 20171208 04:06:32< wesnoth-discord-> "Using it as an wealth-building investment is dangerous" is exactly wrong then 20171208 04:07:00< wesnoth-discord-> Retrospectively, sure 20171208 04:07:54< wesnoth-discord-> You could make the exact same argument about making a bet on who's going to win some massive tournament as well 20171208 04:08:01< wesnoth-discord-> Doesn't mean it's a good investment 20171208 04:08:23< wesnoth-discord-> what does "some massive tournament" mean? 20171208 04:10:02< wesnoth-discord-> the point of a tournament is competitors, who are the competitors? 20171208 04:10:10< wesnoth-discord-> For example, in the US there's a 68 or so team basketball tournament every year 20171208 04:10:13< wesnoth-discord-> One team will win 20171208 04:10:31< wesnoth-discord-> If you knew which team that would be in advance, you could make a wad of cash 20171208 04:11:08< wesnoth-discord-> But it's a terrible investment 20171208 04:11:08< wesnoth-discord-> i mean i know there's a 100 bitcoin alternatives, but none of them are remotely comparable 20171208 04:11:50< wesnoth-discord-> if I'm understanding, his point is that playing stocks/bitcoin is like playing the competitors in the tournament 20171208 04:12:02< wesnoth-discord-> if you know which one is going to go up in value, then obvs you can make money 20171208 04:12:03< wesnoth-discord-> Stocks are different 20171208 04:12:13< wesnoth-discord-> Because you can evaluate fundamentals 20171208 04:12:20< wesnoth-discord-> so bitcoin is riskier 20171208 04:12:33< wesnoth-discord-> ? 20171208 04:12:39< wesnoth-discord-> Yes 20171208 04:12:41< wesnoth-discord-> mk 20171208 04:12:47< wesnoth-discord-> even playing stocks is somewhat risky 20171208 04:13:35< wesnoth-discord-> Stocks go up in the long run on average. By investing in stocks (or especially an index fund , which does as well as a bunch of stocks in average), you're more likely to win than lose. 20171208 04:13:58< wesnoth-discord-> With BTC, your only indicator is that it has won in the past 20171208 04:14:43< wesnoth-discord-> You can't evaluate a company's position in the marketplace, its financial stability, or its growth projections 20171208 04:14:51< wesnoth-discord-> * can 20171208 04:15:00< wesnoth-discord-> With BTC you can't do those things 20171208 04:15:13< wesnoth-discord-> so basically you have to get lucky? 20171208 04:15:16< wesnoth-discord-> Yes 20171208 04:15:27< wesnoth-discord-> 🤷 20171208 04:18:29< wesnoth-discord-> To me, 12k BTC screams bubble 20171208 04:18:37< wesnoth-discord-> But so did 2k BTC 20171208 04:18:49< wesnoth-discord-> And there isn't a way to really know 20171208 04:18:59< wesnoth-discord-> Agreed. No way I'd try to invest my money at this point. 20171208 04:19:50< wesnoth-discord-> I feel like it's really a bet on crowd mechanics and that isn't a really sound investment strategy 20171208 04:20:58< wesnoth-discord-> q.q 20171208 04:21:29< wesnoth-discord-> Some "investors" are getting into a "BTC will always continue to go up and make crazy amount of money!" mindset, which also existed in the IT bubble of 2001. And we know how that ended. 20171208 04:23:24< wesnoth-discord-> As my friend would say, it's buttcoin 20171208 04:27:27< aeth> What's strange is this rise from around $1k to around $17k happened *after* Bitcoin was proven to be basically unworkable as a means of payment in its current state and after Ethereum (which has many flaws of its own) took most of the hype. 20171208 04:27:35< aeth> So there's basically no reason for it to be going up. 20171208 04:28:55< aeth> i.e. Bitcoin *has* fundamentals, or at least talking points, and it lost most of them in the past two years. 20171208 04:29:54< aeth> e.g. https://steamcommunity.com/games/593110/announcements/detail/1464096684955433613 20171208 04:31:51< wesnoth-discord-> something very similar to Ethereum is bound to succeed in the long run, it is the obivous Way Of The Future 20171208 04:32:01< wesnoth-discord-> no amtter how much the actual Ethereum fails 20171208 04:32:11< wesnoth-discord-> as it surely does 20171208 04:32:13< wesnoth-discord-> there’s also the problem with hackers stealing those bitcoins. but as long as the hype keeps growing I guess the price will go up 20171208 04:34:00< wesnoth-discord-> btw Aeth I tried your RPG thing! 20171208 04:35:30< aeth> saves don't work because... it doesn't serialize the state of the Lua or something 20171208 04:35:53< aeth> I think teleporters and/or shops break the saves and replay, which makes it really broken now that the non-admin players start in a place that uses a teleporter 20171208 04:36:03< wesnoth-discord-> Yep, Lua state (i.e. values of Lua variables) isn't saved. 20171208 04:36:29< wesnoth-discord-> Saving it would be extremely difficult. There is a task for saving it in the wiki, but no one has attempted it. 20171208 04:41:02< wesnoth-discord-> Japan's bubble in the 1980's xd? 20171208 04:41:25< wesnoth-discord-> oh bro, I speculate 40k aud by next friday 20171208 04:41:47< wesnoth-discord-> It's a broad guess though 20171208 04:45:39-!- mattsc [~mattsc@wesnoth/developer/mattsc] has quit [Quit: So long and thanks for all the fish.] 20171208 05:40:36< wesnoth-discord-> 1.13.10 is really performant . . . which makes map-making a bit tedious, because the scrolling is so fast. Having the cursor near the border for 0.5sec moves the screen quite a lot 20171208 05:44:43< wesnoth-discord-> 😂 20171208 05:44:46< wesnoth-discord-> well that's good 20171208 05:46:21< wesnoth-discord-> And with 0.5sec I mean 0.5millisec 20171208 06:46:23-!- cyphase [~cyphase@unaffiliated/cyphase] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 20171208 06:47:02-!- cyphase [~cyphase@unaffiliated/cyphase] has joined #wesnoth 20171208 07:14:35-!- madmax28 [madmax28ma@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-agvjaiymsvqkaehe] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 20171208 07:14:50-!- Ipsilon [~Ipsilon@138.197.195.205] has quit [Quit: Goodbye.] 20171208 07:15:19-!- desttinghim[m] [desttinghi@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-goebhadcvtwvieeo] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 20171208 09:07:55-!- Ipsilon [~Ipsilon@138.197.195.205] has joined #wesnoth 20171208 09:21:51-!- madmax28 [madmax28ma@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-zjsfuorrgycmakyd] has joined #wesnoth 20171208 09:55:50-!- desttinghim[m] [desttinghi@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-pctfsmearqrstvny] has joined #wesnoth 20171208 10:21:59-!- vladimirslavik [vslavik@nat/redhat/x-wpkkjsaqhlriwyfv] has quit [Changing host] 20171208 10:21:59-!- vladimirslavik [vslavik@wesnoth/translator/VladimirSlavik] has joined #wesnoth 20171208 10:37:05-!- Ipsilon [~Ipsilon@138.197.195.205] has quit [Quit: Goodbye.] 20171208 11:12:33-!- prophile [~alynn@oftn/oswg-member/prophile] has joined #wesnoth 20171208 12:38:23-!- soloojos [~soloojos@gateway/tor-sasl/soloojos] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20171208 13:41:47-!- Ipsilon [~Ipsilon@165.227.96.150] has joined #wesnoth 20171208 13:51:53-!- Ipsilon [~Ipsilon@165.227.96.150] has quit [Quit: Goodbye.] 20171208 13:54:37-!- Ipsilon [~Ipsilon@165.227.96.150] has joined #wesnoth 20171208 13:57:05-!- DeFender [~DeFender1@89-138-239-68.bb.netvision.net.il] has quit [Quit: I'm not back now.] 20171208 14:05:27-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20171208 14:05:34-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth 20171208 14:36:02-!- Haudegen [~quassel@178.115.237.87] has joined #wesnoth 20171208 14:48:31-!- Ipsilon [~Ipsilon@165.227.96.150] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20171208 15:34:22-!- Ipsilon [~Ipsilon@165.227.96.150] has joined #wesnoth 20171208 16:04:28-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20171208 16:04:39-!- janebot [~Gambot@grickit.us] has joined #wesnoth 20171208 16:04:44-!- janebot [~Gambot@grickit.us] has quit [Changing host] 20171208 16:04:45-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth 20171208 16:06:57-!- prophile [~alynn@oftn/oswg-member/prophile] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20171208 16:41:17-!- vultraz [uid24821@wesnoth/developer/vultraz] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 20171208 17:01:03-!- vladimirslavik [vslavik@wesnoth/translator/VladimirSlavik] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20171208 17:23:23-!- claymore [~claymore@unaffiliated/claymore] has joined #wesnoth 20171208 17:41:55-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20171208 17:42:03-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth 20171208 17:52:13-!- Haudegen [~quassel@178.115.237.87] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20171208 18:27:45< wesnoth-discord-> don't we ... have capped fps? 20171208 18:28:11< wesnoth-discord-> Yep. (I'm the author of the current FPS cap implementation.) 20171208 18:29:12< wesnoth-discord-> However, when frametimes vary a lot (for example, because of water animations), the cap keeps delays short in order to stay above the FPS target, and the total FPS can get very high as a result. 20171208 18:44:26< wesnoth-discord-> max fps currently shown as 300 20171208 18:45:37< wesnoth-discord-> That "max fps" calculation is misleading. It divides 1000 by the shortest frametime without the delay. 20171208 18:46:06< wesnoth-discord-> In other words, "max fps 300" merely means that Wesnoth was able to draw one frame in 3 ms. 20171208 18:53:14< wesnoth-discord-> I mean, if it's misleading, should it be there? 20171208 18:53:43< wesnoth-discord-> You don't see it in normal gameplay 20171208 18:54:42< wesnoth-discord-> AI0867 implemented the current FPS display, and I'd be careful at reverting work of other developers. 20171208 18:56:03< wesnoth-discord-> I think it's useful and in cases where people will encounter it we can expect them to learn what it means exactly 20171208 18:56:47< wesnoth-discord-> Well, it's still just 1000 divided by minimum frametime, which is also displayed at the same time. 20171208 18:57:11< wesnoth-discord-> just an idea, seeing as the ms it takes to draw the frame is already shown as well 20171208 18:57:36< wesnoth-discord-> though 20171208 18:58:03< wesnoth-discord-> shouldn't the smallest value in the Time row be beneath the max fps value? 20171208 18:58:47< wesnoth-discord-> ie - right now, 3 ms is beneath the min fps value, while 11 ms is beneath the max fps value 20171208 18:58:55< wesnoth-discord-> that seems backwards? 20171208 18:59:07< wesnoth-discord-> I think it's better this way, when all minimum values are in the same column. (Same for average, maximum and actual.) 20171208 19:00:11< wesnoth-discord-> well, actual doesn't have an ms value 20171208 19:00:47< wesnoth-discord-> but I see your point 20171208 19:24:41-!- vultraz [uid24821@wesnoth/developer/vultraz] has joined #wesnoth 20171208 20:25:29-!- zookeeper [~lmsnie@wesnoth/developer/zookeeper] has joined #wesnoth 20171208 20:28:35-!- claymore [~claymore@unaffiliated/claymore] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20171208 21:23:50-!- claymore [~claymore@unaffiliated/claymore] has joined #wesnoth 20171208 21:28:50-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20171208 21:29:02-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth 20171208 21:40:49-!- Kranix [~magnus@x1-6-f4-6b-ef-d1-1f-e3.cpe.webspeed.dk] has joined #wesnoth 20171208 22:19:05-!- Kranix [~magnus@x1-6-f4-6b-ef-d1-1f-e3.cpe.webspeed.dk] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 20171208 22:45:59-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20171208 22:46:09-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth 20171208 22:49:23-!- Haudegen [~quassel@178.115.237.87] has joined #wesnoth 20171208 23:00:13-!- claymore [~claymore@unaffiliated/claymore] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20171208 23:41:04-!- zookeeper [~lmsnie@wesnoth/developer/zookeeper] has quit [] --- Log closed Sat Dec 09 00:00:54 2017