--- Log opened Sun Dec 10 00:00:55 2017 20171210 00:21:19-!- sigurdfd [sigurdfd@dynamic-acs-72-23-110-196.zoominternet.net] has quit [] 20171210 00:23:33< Ravana_> EFM has berserker with 1-1 attack, there is common to see berserk finish 20171210 00:27:02-!- zookeeper [~lmsnie@wesnoth/developer/zookeeper] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20171210 00:34:23< aeth> I suspect that I'm wrong but if I'm wrong the game is wrong 20171210 00:35:02< aeth> I was using the game's odds calculations for a non-strong ulf on 3 DAs and my odds didn't really make sense. 20171210 00:43:50< wesnoth-discord-> i hope it gets solved, also sb should test if its also a problem in 1.13 20171210 01:07:36-!- Haudegen [~quassel@178.115.237.87] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20171210 01:13:35-!- mattsc [~mattsc@wesnoth/developer/mattsc] has quit [Quit: So long and thanks for all the fish.] 20171210 01:27:29-!- mattsc [~mattsc@wesnoth/developer/mattsc] has joined #wesnoth 20171210 01:49:39< wesnoth-discord-> Help, I am re-downloading the game 😄 20171210 01:50:36< wesnoth-discord-> What do you need help with? 20171210 01:52:10< wesnoth-discord-> My eventual addiction. 20171210 01:52:17< wesnoth-discord-> 😃 20171210 01:53:45< wesnoth-discord-> 😀 20171210 02:00:22-!- THERetroGamerNY [~THERetroG@pool-108-55-4-217.bflony.fios.verizon.net] has joined #wesnoth 20171210 02:08:42< wesnoth-discord-> @BrotherJon there's no help for it. Soon you will spend 30 hours trying to beat Rise of Wesnoth on the hardest setting. 20171210 02:08:58-!- THERetroGamerNY [~THERetroG@pool-108-55-4-217.bflony.fios.verizon.net] has left #wesnoth ["Be blessed!"] 20171210 02:09:18< wesnoth-discord-> I remember having downloaded so many multiplayer scenarios when I was in college. 20171210 02:09:20-!- Ipsilon [~Ipsilon@165.227.96.150] has quit [Quit: Goodbye.] 20171210 02:09:37< wesnoth-discord-> I hope there are more out there, 7+ years later. 20171210 02:10:49-!- Ipsilon [~Ipsilon@165.227.96.150] has joined #wesnoth 20171210 02:18:23< wesnoth-discord-> Dude Wesnoth is such a nostalgic trip every time q.q 20171210 02:20:12< wesnoth-discord-> Also BTW For Mainline campaigns on hardest settings, whoever balanced these were sadistic. 20171210 02:33:09< wesnoth-discord-> Well, what's the point of calling it 'nightmare' if it doesn't, in fact. give you nightmares? 😉 20171210 02:36:22< wesnoth-discord-> how can you get a nightmare from a campaign? ai is so dumb 20171210 02:36:31< wesnoth-discord-> just...win 20171210 02:36:36< wesnoth-discord-> its that simple lol 20171210 02:53:33-!- octalot [~steve@91.141.1.93.wireless.dyn.drei.com] has quit [] 20171210 03:27:58-!- ArneBab_ [~quassel@freenet/developer/arnebab] has joined #wesnoth 20171210 03:32:17-!- ArneBab [~quassel@freenet/developer/arnebab] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 20171210 03:40:13< wesnoth-discord-> LOL 20171210 03:40:48< wesnoth-discord-> totally didn't go back turns cause my favourite veteran missed all his shots even tho he had marksman/magical 20171210 03:42:07-!- synthpopisback [~synthpopi@cpe-2606-A000-7947-5000-8031-7FF2-138F-3DE2.dyn6.twc.com] has joined #wesnoth 20171210 03:43:30-!- synthpopisback [~synthpopi@cpe-2606-A000-7947-5000-8031-7FF2-138F-3DE2.dyn6.twc.com] has quit [Client Quit] 20171210 03:44:47< wesnoth-discord-> its just a unit lol 20171210 03:44:56< wesnoth-discord-> u can always level new ones 20171210 04:01:16< wesnoth-discord-> mate, legend of the invincibles I can't let my swordmaster die dude, he has like 200hp and some stupendous damage 20171210 04:27:42< wesnoth-discord-> just play better then lol 20171210 04:39:23< wesnoth-discord-> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/231976805987385345/389274872452481024/personnelkid.png 20171210 04:40:47-!- mattsc [~mattsc@wesnoth/developer/mattsc] has quit [Quit: So long and thanks for all the fish.] 20171210 04:55:21-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20171210 04:55:33-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth 20171210 06:03:03< wesnoth-discord-> lol I play wesnoth when I'm braindead and don't know what to do 20171210 06:03:09< wesnoth-discord-> :feelsbadman: 20171210 07:01:38-!- celticminstrel is now known as celmin|sleep 20171210 07:46:55< wesnoth-discord-> ah, yea 20171210 07:47:16< wesnoth-discord-> usually i just fap instead when im braindead 20171210 07:47:34< wesnoth-discord-> i mean maybe you could try fapping it to wesnoth 20171210 07:47:45< wesnoth-discord-> combine the two 20171210 07:48:21< wesnoth-discord-> the girl mages do have some nice legs 20171210 08:23:54-!- zookeeper [~lmsnie@wesnoth/developer/zookeeper] has joined #wesnoth 20171210 08:37:39-!- aeth [~Michael@wesnoth/umc-dev/developer/aethaeryn] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20171210 08:39:27-!- aeth [~Michael@wesnoth/umc-dev/developer/aethaeryn] has joined #wesnoth 20171210 08:50:30< wesnoth-discord-> @EoZ @Yumi Wesnoth 1.12 has some minor bugs in combat simulation, resulting in slightly incorrect results. I have fixed them in 1.13. 20171210 08:53:27< wesnoth-discord-> lol ankles* 20171210 08:55:21< wesnoth-discord-> well you know, in olden times ppl did get it off to the sight of shapely ankles 20171210 08:55:36< wesnoth-discord-> and across the world too 20171210 08:58:18< wesnoth-discord-> @ex nihilo this is not the place to be talking about that. 20171210 08:58:58< wesnoth-discord-> oh, i was just saying about some relaxation time, sorry mate 20171210 08:59:18< wesnoth-discord-> it may be a little political too i guess 20171210 08:59:26< wesnoth-discord-> sorry again 20171210 11:17:01-!- zookeeper [~lmsnie@wesnoth/developer/zookeeper] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20171210 11:19:23< wesnoth-discord-> @pydsigner "@blarumyrran an ulfserker can fail to kill a DA, under the game rules" that's exactly my point 20171210 11:19:37-!- zookeeper [~lmsnie@wesnoth/developer/zookeeper] has joined #wesnoth 20171210 11:19:38< wesnoth-discord-> "I think it is silly to distinguish between very unlikely things that are possible within the game's rules, and very unlikely things that are not possible by the game's rules but in case of some kind of deeper malfunction can happen anyway" 20171210 11:20:16< wesnoth-discord-> but if you accept the latter as "possible" then the whole idea of possibility becomes pointless because everything is possible 20171210 11:20:34< wesnoth-discord-> instead you should establish some reasonable threshold 20171210 11:20:55< wesnoth-discord-> of probability, below which things are "not possible" and above which they are "possible" 20171210 11:21:56< wesnoth-discord-> 😐 20171210 11:21:59< wesnoth-discord-> so what's my point? 20171210 11:22:03< wesnoth-discord-> I guess my point is, 20171210 11:22:28< wesnoth-discord-> the probability of something happening from the player's perspective is the probability that matteres, and any "within my model," probabilities are wankery 20171210 11:23:01< wesnoth-discord-> but Aeth made a good point that ulf failing to kill a DA is actually not very very unlikely 20171210 11:24:30< wesnoth-discord-> 😐 20171210 11:25:06< wesnoth-discord-> I guess I just wanted to rant. A while ago someone came into this Discord channel with an obviously made-up story of how many times his mages failed to hit 20171210 11:25:26< wesnoth-discord-> and then someone made a similar argument that "it's possible!" 20171210 11:26:25< wesnoth-discord-> " mfw my 6 mages completly surround an enemy and they all miss all of their magic attacks" "@gohomoth my spider-sense tells me you are lying 0.3^(6*3)=0.000000000387420489" 20171210 11:27:10< wesnoth-discord-> actually i have seen something similar when i was observing a game on ANL 20171210 11:27:48< wesnoth-discord-> it is possible to script scenarios in such ways that a unit can never be hit, or that they will always be hit, and this is hidden from th player 20171210 11:28:01< wesnoth-discord-> it used to be done in th Descent Into Darkness campaign for example 20171210 11:28:49< wesnoth-discord-> If you actually think you saw P=0.000000000387420489, then you are wrong 20171210 11:29:04< wesnoth-discord-> this is well below reasonable thresholds of "possible" 20171210 11:29:21< wesnoth-discord-> hey man 5 mages failed to kill 1 skeleton and i dont think it was full hp when it started 20171210 11:29:29< wesnoth-discord-> im just saying that many mages can fail to kill a thing 20171210 11:29:32< wesnoth-discord-> which means they could have hit some number of times 20171210 11:29:33< wesnoth-discord-> and i have seen something similar 20171210 11:29:36< wesnoth-discord-> yes 20171210 11:29:36< wesnoth-discord-> I am talking about the number 20171210 11:29:44< wesnoth-discord-> 0.000000000387420489 20171210 11:29:47< wesnoth-discord-> there is no need for you to be so distrustful of strangers 20171210 11:29:59< wesnoth-discord-> its not like it hurts you emotionally does it 20171210 11:30:10< wesnoth-discord-> well maybe i guess someone could be salty 20171210 11:30:14< wesnoth-discord-> ok wth is that chance 20171210 11:30:39< wesnoth-discord-> "why did you play wesnoth with this luck and why did you not win lottery? i could have won lottery, give me your luck, if i won the lottery i would be able to buy a racecar" 20171210 11:30:42< wesnoth-discord-> etc 20171210 11:30:49< wesnoth-discord-> should've recorded that moment 20171210 11:31:01< wesnoth-discord-> once in a lifetime thing, it seems 20171210 11:31:10< wesnoth-discord-> @ex nihilo you are illiterate 20171210 11:31:31< wesnoth-discord-> wow, rude 20171210 11:32:12< wesnoth-discord-> ― Server Rules ― 1. Don't be rude to others. 20171210 11:32:20< wesnoth-discord-> @gohomoth it is very much possible for that to have happened, again it is possible to script for a unit to be untouchable within a scenario in a way that you as a player would never know (which is very very bad), but not under unmodified circumstances 20171210 11:33:12< wesnoth-discord-> @ex nihilo What if the number had been 0.00000000387420489 or 0.0000000387420489 or 0.000000387420489 instead? 20171210 11:33:23< wesnoth-discord-> Would your instincts for that number have been different? 20171210 11:33:28< wesnoth-discord-> well you know i dont really care about the number 20171210 11:33:38< wesnoth-discord-> i just cared to share my experience about mages failing to kill a skeleton 20171210 11:33:46< wesnoth-discord-> Your instincts for that number SHOULD have been different 20171210 11:33:54< wesnoth-discord-> and you are being plain rude and besides being rude you are really pedantic you know that? its annoying 20171210 11:34:01< wesnoth-discord-> Again, it is very much possible for many mages to kill a skeleton! 20171210 11:34:04< wesnoth-discord-> It is not the same thing~ 20171210 11:34:23< wesnoth-discord-> never did i say it was the same thing 20171210 11:34:52< wesnoth-discord-> if anyone is being illiterate, it is more likely to be you, i did not want to say it though 20171210 11:35:05< wesnoth-discord-> ― Server Rules ― 1. Don't be rude to others. 20171210 11:45:29-!- Ravana_ [~Ravana@unaffiliated/ravana/x-2327071] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 20171210 11:55:33-!- Kranix [~magnus@x1-6-f4-6b-ef-d1-1f-e3.cpe.webspeed.dk] has joined #wesnoth 20171210 12:02:25-!- Kranix [~magnus@x1-6-f4-6b-ef-d1-1f-e3.cpe.webspeed.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20171210 12:02:57-!- Kranix [~magnus@x1-6-f4-6b-ef-d1-1f-e3.cpe.webspeed.dk] has joined #wesnoth 20171210 12:21:35< zookeeper> oh piss off discord. won't even let me through the login captchas, even though i solved them correctly and spent literally minutes on it. 20171210 12:21:51< zookeeper> fine, no discord today then. 20171210 12:21:51< DeFender1031> minutes on a captcha? 20171210 12:22:08< DeFender1031> Was the answer "clone"? 20171210 12:22:27< zookeeper> yeah, those stupid "select the pictures with cars in them" captchas, except now the pictures fade in and out suuuuuper slowly. 20171210 12:23:59< DeFender1031> ew. 20171210 12:28:03< DeFender1031> And it requires that on every login, not just when you sign up? 20171210 12:28:46< zookeeper> yes. 20171210 12:29:27< DeFender1031> double ew. 20171210 12:32:41< zookeeper> it's kind of pointless to put up captchas for logins that have been used a lot. for first time logins, sure, fine, but how likely is someone to have suddenly turned into a bot after their 10th login? 20171210 12:35:43< wesnoth-discord-> use the app and you'll probably have no issues 20171210 12:51:17< wesnoth-discord-> I don't recall ever getting a login captcha with the app, either. 20171210 13:03:54< zookeeper> sure. just haven't bothered to install it. 20171210 14:09:27-!- mattsc [~mattsc@wesnoth/developer/mattsc] has joined #wesnoth 20171210 14:13:23-!- Haudegen [~quassel@178.115.237.87] has joined #wesnoth 20171210 15:18:14< wesnoth-discord-> I've never gotten captchas using the web version either 20171210 15:31:54-!- vultraz [uid24821@wesnoth/developer/vultraz] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 20171210 15:34:16< wesnoth-discord-> When the app suspects you're a robot, they just ask you for your phone number, hah 20171210 15:35:04-!- mattsc [~mattsc@wesnoth/developer/mattsc] has quit [Quit: So long and thanks for all the fish.] 20171210 16:33:06-!- claymore [~claymore@unaffiliated/claymore] has joined #wesnoth 20171210 16:42:29< wesnoth-discord-> These captchas are from google - the aren't used if you are logged into an google account 20171210 17:08:38-!- AI0867 [~ai@wesnoth/developer/ai0867] has joined #wesnoth 20171210 17:49:50-!- Haudegen [~quassel@178.115.237.87] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20171210 17:51:18-!- Narrat [~Narrat@p5DCC6A81.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #wesnoth 20171210 18:06:59-!- Ravana_ [~Ravana@unaffiliated/ravana/x-2327071] has joined #wesnoth 20171210 19:32:11-!- HeyCitizen [~citizen@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/heycitizen] has joined #wesnoth 20171210 20:12:01-!- Rhonda [~rhonda@wesnoth/developer/rhonda] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20171210 20:15:37-!- Rhonda [~rhonda@anguilla.debian.or.at] has joined #wesnoth 20171210 20:17:50-!- vultraz [uid24821@wesnoth/developer/vultraz] has joined #wesnoth 20171210 20:40:57< Soliton> gaazkam: i haven't reloaded at all. pretty much played through all 3 scenarios in one go. 20171210 21:03:30-!- synthpopisback [~synthpopi@cpe-2606-A000-7947-5000-55A5-136F-EC6F-C37D.dyn6.twc.com] has joined #wesnoth 20171210 21:42:13-!- claymore [~claymore@unaffiliated/claymore] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20171210 22:07:52-!- Kranix [~magnus@x1-6-f4-6b-ef-d1-1f-e3.cpe.webspeed.dk] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 20171210 22:47:37< wesnoth-discord-> Does anybody else liminial units are a little... "ehh" compared to lawful or chaotic 20171210 22:47:58< wesnoth-discord-> Sometimes 20171210 23:04:28< wesnoth-discord-> At the very least their bonus needs to be a little higher than 25%. They only get one turn of exploitation and are weaker when lawful and chaotic units are stronger. 20171210 23:04:57-!- Appleman1234 [~quassel@124x38x163x22.ap124.ftth.ucom.ne.jp] has joined #wesnoth 20171210 23:07:42< wesnoth-discord-> Liminal units don't have a bonus. 20171210 23:13:05-!- zookeeper [~lmsnie@wesnoth/developer/zookeeper] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] --- Log closed Mon Dec 11 00:00:56 2017