--- Log opened Sun Dec 31 00:00:22 2017 20171231 00:02:41-!- wario [~wario_@unaffiliated/wario] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 20171231 00:04:47-!- zookeeper [~lmsnie@wesnoth/developer/zookeeper] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 20171231 00:13:02-!- Bonobo [~Bonobo@60-241-159-43.tpgi.com.au] has joined #wesnoth 20171231 00:26:39-!- Vadatajs [~Vadatajs@97-127-141-224.cdrr.qwest.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20171231 01:14:59<+wesnoth-discord-> Sounds like something from the better names mod 20171231 02:00:02< aeth> I like not naming Undead. The point of Undead (or orcs) is to not care about the units at all. 20171231 02:00:15< aeth> No names helps me not care about them. 20171231 02:01:09< aeth> The exact opposite is the Drakes, where every life matters a lot because they're so expensive. 20171231 02:06:08-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20171231 02:06:42<+wesnoth-discord-> 😖 20171231 02:06:44<+wesnoth-discord-> What a monster 20171231 02:06:45-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth 20171231 02:07:31<+wesnoth-discord-> Who are you to decide my precious, lifeless puppets deserve life less than some some knock off godzillas with chili breath 20171231 02:36:51<+wesnoth-discord-> "Knock off Godzillas with chili breath." Right there all. New Drakes racial description.. 20171231 02:42:04-!- vultraz [uid24821@wesnoth/developer/vultraz] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 20171231 03:06:44-!- ArneBab_ [~quassel@55d454c7.access.ecotel.net] has joined #wesnoth 20171231 03:06:44-!- ArneBab_ [~quassel@55d454c7.access.ecotel.net] has quit [Changing host] 20171231 03:06:44-!- ArneBab_ [~quassel@freenet/developer/arnebab] has joined #wesnoth 20171231 03:11:06-!- ArneBab [~quassel@freenet/developer/arnebab] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20171231 03:29:08<+wesnoth-discord-> You betcha mate 20171231 03:53:54<+wesnoth-discord-> lol 20171231 04:04:13-!- mattsc [~mattsc@wesnoth/developer/mattsc] has joined #wesnoth 20171231 04:08:15< aeth> Don't say that. Drakes can attack you across a river and no one will be able to retaliate before they just fly back across that river. 20171231 04:41:30-!- mattsc [~mattsc@wesnoth/developer/mattsc] has quit [Quit: So long and thanks for all the fish.] 20171231 04:51:25-!- vultraz [uid24821@wesnoth/developer/vultraz] has joined #wesnoth 20171231 05:33:30-!- DeFender1031 [~DeFender1@89-138-239-68.bb.netvision.net.il] has joined #wesnoth 20171231 06:42:34-!- vincent_c [~bip@vcheng.org] has quit [Quit: Coyote finally caught me] 20171231 06:42:52-!- vincent_c [~bip@vcheng.org] has joined #wesnoth 20171231 07:14:39-!- celticminstrel is now known as celmin|sleep 20171231 08:51:38-!- zookeeper [~lmsnie@wesnoth/developer/zookeeper] has joined #wesnoth 20171231 10:33:39-!- claymore [~claymore@unaffiliated/claymore] has joined #wesnoth 20171231 11:15:28<+wesnoth-discord-> imo naming is actually useful 20171231 11:15:31<+wesnoth-discord-> imo naming is actually useful 20171231 11:15:54<+wesnoth-discord-> when both players are banking and there is fog or ambush unit like wose 20171231 11:16:18<+wesnoth-discord-> names are useful to keep track of units beyond their traits 20171231 11:16:27<+wesnoth-discord-> renaming defeats this 20171231 11:21:28-!- Kranix [~magnus@xd520f683.cust.hiper.dk] has joined #wesnoth 20171231 11:31:14-!- vultraz [uid24821@wesnoth/developer/vultraz] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 20171231 11:32:12< zookeeper> yeah, that's an interesting corner case where names actually can have gameplay significance. 20171231 11:34:53< zookeeper> well, i'm not sure if there's significance beyond for example a situation where you can tell by the names that the wose you see is a different one than the one you saw earlier and thus your opponent has two woses. 20171231 11:35:54< zookeeper> if you already know there's two woses, would it ever really make a difference if you know that the one you see now is wose A and not wose B? 20171231 12:13:05<+wesnoth-discord-> yes there is pressure but both do not commit early, also there is scouting on both sides 20171231 12:13:10<+wesnoth-discord-> here is another situation: you are playing loyalist vs rebels and both players are mostly trying to build up expensive armies of expensive units 20171231 12:15:28<+wesnoth-discord-> I name my custom units from anime characters. 20171231 12:16:15<+wesnoth-discord-> now loyalist will obviously not attack into huge wose count without building his numbers first 20171231 12:16:16<+wesnoth-discord-> or he could hide them by naming them all something like "im gay" 20171231 12:16:16<+wesnoth-discord-> rebels could artificially inflate his numbers by renaming woses and placing them in the open 20171231 12:16:23<+wesnoth-discord-> now loyalist will obviously not attack into huge wose count without building his numbers first 20171231 12:16:26<+wesnoth-discord-> rebels could artificially inflate his numbers by renaming woses and placing them in the open 20171231 12:16:28<+wesnoth-discord-> or he could hide them by naming them all something like "im gay" 20171231 12:16:30<+wesnoth-discord-> but loyalists can do it too if there is an elvish scout patrolling around 20171231 12:18:18<+wesnoth-discord-> for example, get mages of same gender named the same or differently, and move them to misleading places like castle keep for recruiting 20171231 12:18:19<+wesnoth-discord-> for example, get mages of same gender named the same or differently, and move them to misleading places like castle keep for recruiting 20171231 12:18:19<+wesnoth-discord-> so the opponent would for example be misled into thinking that a new mage was recruited 20171231 12:18:20<+wesnoth-discord-> for example, get mages of same gender named the same or differently, and move them to misleading places like castle keep for recruiting 20171231 12:18:20<+wesnoth-discord-> for example, get mages of same gender named the same or differently, and move them to misleading places like castle keep for recruiting 20171231 12:18:21<+wesnoth-discord-> so the opponent would for example be misled into thinking that a new mage was recruited 20171231 12:18:22<+wesnoth-discord-> for example, get mages of same gender named the same or differently, and move them to misleading places like castle keep for recruiting 20171231 12:18:23<+wesnoth-discord-> so the opponent would for example be misled into thinking that a new mage was recruited 20171231 12:18:24<+wesnoth-discord-> these messages are jumbled 20171231 12:18:37<+wesnoth-discord-> i trust the general meaning is still clear 20171231 12:20:55-!- Guest76649 [~quassel@178.115.237.87] has joined #wesnoth 20171231 12:21:59< zookeeper> not as much jumbled as plain repetitive :p 20171231 12:24:17<+wesnoth-discord-> i am on chinese internet. it cannot be helped 20171231 12:24:38-!- Guest76649 [~quassel@178.115.237.87] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20171231 12:25:11< DeFender1031> do people really pay that close attention to the names though? 20171231 12:26:37-!- vn971 [~vasya@94.158.103.15] has left #wesnoth ["PING 1514723197"] 20171231 12:32:48-!- TheRuralJuror [~quassel@178.115.237.87] has joined #wesnoth 20171231 12:36:07-!- TheRuralJuror is now known as Haudegen 20171231 12:36:43<+wesnoth-discord-> they could, if they dont you havent lost anything anyway 20171231 12:55:15< DeFender1031> also, doesn't knowing that they can be changed negate all of that anyway? 20171231 12:55:51< DeFender1031> like... it really only gives you an edge if you're the only one who uses it 20171231 12:56:09< DeFender1031> it's one of those "do they know that you know that they know" things. 20171231 13:09:10< zookeeper> i doubt many people would think of the possibility of being subtly fooled via the rename mechanic. 20171231 13:09:51< zookeeper> although they would surely not pay attention to the names in the first place, making the whole thing a bit of a moot point i suppose. 20171231 13:24:30-!- wario 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The Khalifate's new faction name is: Dunefolk. The thread to discuss the Dunefolk's race name is here: https://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=47703 And the thread to discuss the Dunefolk's unit prefix+names is here: https://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=47704 20171231 18:34:12< celticminstrel> You didn't add my suggestions for the khalid. 20171231 18:34:52< DeFender1031> I'm glad to see a discussion about KhalifateDunefolk actually taking a productive direction for once. 20171231 18:35:17< celticminstrel> And I also suggested swordsman for the arif, which you didn't include. 20171231 18:36:34-!- mystic_x1 [~X@unaffiliated/mysticx] has left #wesnoth ["ISON jzmer Cookieeee Lollorian deathisundead mordante ChanServ Ukraneean Natasiel Axalara_ Duloth Cookiebite Blarumyrran faab_ StWolf AXALARA Cookiee Filar Gambit noy faab1 Cookie Cookieee Galactic_turkey Faux-kun Faux Shakey Rose Coookie millz Arry happygrue "] 20171231 18:37:57<+wesnoth-discord-> celticminstrel: My bad, I've added those in as well. 20171231 18:47:53< DeFender1031> Shouldn't the possible prefix list have the rejected faction names trimmed off of it? 20171231 18:48:44< DeFender1031> Oh, nevermind. I read this wrong 20171231 18:51:35<+wesnoth-discord-> There were also a fair number of people suggesting, for example, Dunefolk for the faction name but Southern/Southerners for the unit prefix/race name. Personally I'd rather not do that for the sake of consistency, but it's something to consider. 20171231 18:54:27< DeFender1031> Right, I see that 20171231 18:54:36< DeFender1031> Either way, I commened on both. 20171231 18:55:19< DeFender1031> commented* 20171231 18:57:30< DeFender1031> @Pentarctagon, what's the bolded name on each? The current preferred one? 20171231 18:59:18< celticminstrel> I think that was the idea... 20171231 19:01:08<+wesnoth-discord-> I believe so. 20171231 19:03:05-!- mattsc [~mattsc@wesnoth/developer/mattsc] has quit [Quit: So long and thanks for all the fish.] 20171231 19:10:32<+wesnoth-discord-> @Pentarctagon I think it was the outher war around - people suggesting Dune(folk) as prefix ans Southern/er)s as faction name 20171231 19:18:02-!- wario_ [~wario_@unaffiliated/wario] has joined #wesnoth 20171231 19:20:53-!- wario [~wario_@unaffiliated/wario] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20171231 19:38:42-!- vultraz [uid24821@wesnoth/developer/vultraz] has joined #wesnoth 20171231 19:54:08<+wesnoth-discord-> and why do I expect that most folks will just nickname them in their own way? 20171231 19:55:32<+wesnoth-discord-> @sevu Either way, there's no harm in at least presenting the option. 20171231 20:15:08-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20171231 20:15:18-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth 20171231 20:19:28-!- soloojos [~soloojos@gateway/tor-sasl/soloojos] has joined #wesnoth 20171231 20:33:53-!- wario [~wario_@unaffiliated/wario] has joined #wesnoth 20171231 20:34:13-!- soloojos [~soloojos@gateway/tor-sasl/soloojos] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20171231 20:34:58-!- soloojos [~soloojos@gateway/tor-sasl/soloojos] has joined #wesnoth 20171231 20:36:50-!- wario_ [~wario_@unaffiliated/wario] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 20171231 20:47:46-!- claymore [~claymore@unaffiliated/claymore] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20171231 21:14:10-!- soloojos [~soloojos@gateway/tor-sasl/soloojos] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20171231 21:14:37-!- soloojos [~soloojos@gateway/tor-sasl/soloojos] has joined #wesnoth 20171231 22:57:01-!- Haudegen [~quassel@178.115.237.87] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20171231 22:58:33<+wesnoth-discord-> roleplayer dilema 20171231 22:58:52<+wesnoth-discord-> naming units and/ or places is for roleplayers 20171231 23:03:01<+wesnoth-discord-> If I ever pay attention to the names its the names of my best units in campaigns, its the only time i really recall it 20171231 23:12:43<+wesnoth-discord-> Cmon EoZ don't you think your valian meatshields in game deserve some kind of love? 20171231 23:16:38<+wesnoth-discord-> sure, meatshield 1, meatshield 2 and meatshield 3, they are all important to me 20171231 23:16:59<+wesnoth-discord-> i think naming units in wesnoth would be a bit like naming your pieces in chess xD 20171231 23:18:45<+wesnoth-discord-> HAPPY NEW YEAR EUROPE!!! 20171231 23:21:29< DeFender1031> Happy new year. 20171231 23:21:52< DeFender1031> What's everyone's new years resolutions? 20171231 23:21:57< DeFender1031> Mine is 5760x1080. 20171231 23:24:10<+wesnoth-discord-> 1920x1080. 20171231 23:26:34-!- wario [~wario_@unaffiliated/wario] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20171231 23:27:23<+wesnoth-discord-> happy new year 20171231 23:27:31<+wesnoth-discord-> 1600x900 20171231 23:27:43<+wesnoth-discord-> Are you devaluating the existance of my loyal squire, craig the pawn Mr.EOZ? 20171231 23:27:57<+wesnoth-discord-> yes 20171231 23:28:22<+wesnoth-discord-> :ddoorAngry: 20171231 23:29:06<+wesnoth-discord-> You gonna pay 20171231 23:30:04<+wesnoth-discord-> is 1 gold coin per year enough? 20171231 23:31:44<+wesnoth-discord-> In eight years, you can pay the corporate gods to create your very own walking corpse. 20171231 23:31:46<+wesnoth-discord-> My upkeep has got to be more than that.... 20171231 23:31:49<+wesnoth-discord-> What a worthwhile investment. 20171231 23:33:25<+wesnoth-discord-> and remember if you kill something with walking corpse you get another for absolutely free! 20171231 23:33:37<+wesnoth-discord-> Hmmmmm what a deal 20171231 23:37:51-!- Bonobo [~Bonobo@60-241-159-43.tpgi.com.au] has joined #wesnoth 20171231 23:46:37-!- soloojos [~soloojos@gateway/tor-sasl/soloojos] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20171231 23:47:05-!- soloojos [~soloojos@gateway/tor-sasl/soloojos] has joined #wesnoth --- Log closed Mon Jan 01 00:00:23 2018