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20180107 01:30:13< irker233> wesnoth/wesnoth:master pentarctagon a4e7cb01e8 Fix formatting of invalid characters for AppVeyor: 1/6 builds failed
20180107 01:30:14< irker233> Details vs2017/Release: https://ci.appveyor.com/project/wesnoth/wesnoth-605wt/build/Wesnoth-VS2017-master-720
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20180107 11:33:10< irker339> wesnoth: ln-zookeeper wesnoth:master 80829106c15d / / (9 files in 4 dirs): AOI: New story art by Bhoren https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/80829106c15dc6334d875f57a989ed2294ea6eb5
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20180107 15:04:13< irker366> wesnoth/wesnoth:master ln-zookeeper 80829106c1 AOI: New story art by Bhoren AppVeyor: All builds passed
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20180107 16:09:02< vn971> Does anybody remember, are there addons (or can they be) that modify "advances_to" field of already-existing units? Like adding an advance option, to, say, Peasant, or Spearman.
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20180107 16:11:21< zookeeper> i don't know, but the normal way to hook add-on units to core unit trees is via [advancefrom], so that kind of hack is rarely needed.
20180107 16:13:01< zookeeper> also i'm not even 100% sure if directly modifying advances_to of a single unit even works.
20180107 16:13:37< DeFender1031> pretty sure it does...
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20180107 16:21:20< celticminstrel> IIRC my campaign did that.
20180107 16:22:02< celticminstrel> Well, maybe that shouldn't be past tense. >_>
20180107 16:59:21< vn971> that basically means I can't create or analyze pretty much any units except direct Era recruits and Leaders.
20180107 17:00:27< vn971> because any advance of a recruit or "advance_from" of a recruit can be from different Era, present only to the host but not other players. In an MP game, forgot to mention that, it's important.
20180107 17:01:33< vn971> so, in MP, I can only trust "era.recruit" and "era.leader". Units have no trace which Era they belong to too.
20180107 17:06:35< vn971> Or maybe I still can access "advance_to" of units belonging to current Era? Reason for asking: I want to analyse units, and analysis results should be the same on all clients.
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20180107 18:42:25< irker506> wesnoth: Jyrki Vesterinen wesnoth:master 2288098cba00 / src/attack_prediction.cpp: Ensure that probability to be touched isn't negative https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/2288098cba008da66816c0133e72857430d8f374
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20180107 20:32:08< larifari> hello
20180107 20:32:51< vultraz> hello
20180107 20:35:11-!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: Polsaker
20180107 20:46:16< larifari> is there a intro into dev on wesnoth-source-code anywhere? where to start, if i want to join in the development?
20180107 20:48:48< galegosimpatico> There are several pages in the wiki about. Parts are a bit dated, but it's something.
20180107 20:50:13< galegosimpatico> Served me for fixing a couple issues.
20180107 20:52:08< galegosimpatico> With a huge help from the maintainers.
20180107 21:03:33< larifari> thx i will read
20180107 21:05:26< celticminstrel> vn971: TBH I'm still not clear on what you want to do. "analyze units" seems rather vague.
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20180107 21:23:17< vn971> celticminstrel: by "analyze units" I mean a function that derives something from the unit stats. In my case it is a boolean meaning whether any updrade of a unit will have "berserk" ability.
20180107 21:26:06< vn971> celticminstrel: my latest understanding of the subject is that addon writers should not actually change "advances_from" without somehow forcing themselves to be included in room "add-on" requirements (like Era / Modification / Scenario). Otherwise it won't work in a normal MP game, too. In other words, all "advances_to" options should be the same on all clients anyway, even without my addon.
20180107 21:27:39< vn971> which would mean that depending on "advances_to" is OOS-safe. Even if wesnoth does not _enforce_ it.
20180107 21:28:40< vn971> * I'm a bit tired and still ill, not sure if I'm writing clearly. Anyway, will AFK soon.
20180107 21:28:48< zookeeper> yeah, you can't figure out if any of the units that appear in the replay have an add-on advancement that has berserk, because the unit type data of advancements isn't stored in the replay.
20180107 21:30:04< vn971> zookeeper: hm? I'm accessing possible advances recursively, no need to store anything.
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20180107 22:04:21< celticminstrel> vn971: [advances_from] does not work in MP, yeah. I'm pretty sure that changing advances_to in code would work though.
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20180107 22:04:46< celticminstrel> I mean on an individual unit.
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20180107 22:11:54< zookeeper> vn971, my point was only that you can't access the unit type data of possible advancements unless you have the add-on that provides that unit type. so you can't take a replay and tell if a unit can advance to something that has berserk (unless all the advancements are core units, anyway).
20180107 22:12:11< zookeeper> and that sounded like it was relevant to what you're doing, but maybe i didn't read so thoroughly.
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20180107 22:15:07< irker297> wesnoth/wesnoth:master Jyrki Vesterinen 2288098cba Ensure that probability to be touched is AppVeyor: All builds passed
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20180107 22:23:37< vn971> zookeeper: why can't I? Wouldn't wesnoth.unit_types["The Non Default Unit Type"]   work?
20180107 22:24:11< celticminstrel> If you have the add-on installed and load up the replay in-game, then yes I'd think it would work.
20180107 22:24:27< zookeeper> yeah.
20180107 22:24:55< zookeeper> but i was assuming you didn't have a system setup which downloads all the relevant add-ons. if you do then sure there's no problem.
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20180107 22:48:32< DeFender1031> wouldn't a replay break if the necessary add-ons weren't present anyway?
20180107 22:49:07< DeFender1031> like, checking what a unit might advance to in a replay wouldn't break any more than the unit actually advancing in a replay, would it?
20180107 22:55:07< vn971> zookeeper: I only care about the lack of OOS in a MP game. I think I've understood everything I wanted though.
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20180107 22:59:23< Ravana_> I recall I once suggested lowering berserk duration in creep war. that might be better solution than disabling unit
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