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20180110 09:31:02< vn971> Hmm, this is strange. I don't get it. How is wesnoth itself licensed? I always thought that it's GPLv2 and only it.
20180110 09:31:34< vn971> This page, however, https://wiki.wesnoth.org/Wesnoth:Copyrights  says that it's GPLv2 *or later*.
20180110 09:32:12< JyrkiVesterinen> The page is correct.
20180110 09:32:58< JyrkiVesterinen> Anyone who wants to use Wesnoth's code (or any of its assets, except the new music track which is Creative Commons licensed) can choose GPLv2, GPLv3, or in the future, any future version.
20180110 09:35:12< vn971> JyrkiVesterinen: but why is GPL3, for instance, allowed? Did all contributors of wesnoth agree to this? For example, I check out this commit: https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/tree/dc3c827a1b3b4a0eb579f402bf29cedeb621228a   And it says "The games license is described in COPYING". Said COPYING does not say about "later" version, it's only the v2 license itself.
20180110 09:36:00< vn971> to apply "v2 or later" to your program, you should say so explicitly externally, not refer to COPYING itself.
20180110 09:38:20< JyrkiVesterinen> Well, our copyright blurb says "or at your option any later version". https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/blob/a65596e5b54174c949d8a0d830234d49447b1bab/copyright
20180110 09:38:35< JyrkiVesterinen> It's copied at the top of every C++ file, at least.
20180110 09:39:02< vn971> Anyway, what I _really_ want is to grep the code and see it doesn't say about v2 without "or later" even today. I wouldn't mind earlier license changes if no contributor objects (in fact I even support the change).
20180110 09:39:09< JyrkiVesterinen> I think COPYING not mentioning that later versions are allowed is an oversight.
20180110 09:39:56< vn971> JyrkiVesterinen: not really allowed, but only a problem if a _contributor_ disagrees. Hopefully no such contributors out there.
20180110 09:40:26< vn971> ah, nvm, misread your message.
20180110 09:43:27< vn971> OK, sorry for the sudden fuss. I must have remembered something wrong. All good. Nvm.
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20180110 09:55:49< vn971> // if anyone's got interested, the licence indeed changed in 2007-08-15: https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/080eb69f60526ac16334952f67f850e88e70aeb9
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20180110 10:12:16< vn971> OK, I think I found the source of my confusion. It's the terms under which add-ons are uploaded. If you read the Terms carefully, it just says "GPL", with no version whatsoever. I guess this can be interpreted by authors as only requiring a specific version, or maybe even v1. Anyway, no permissions for "or later" is asked for sure.
20180110 10:12:54< vn971> No big deal as wesnoth add-on server can just delete the author-s content at request (which will not happen, anyway).
20180110 10:13:34< vn971> But to have it clean and not make anyone think the wrong stuff (just like me), it probably makes sense to make Terms more strict.
20180110 10:15:01< JyrkiVesterinen> UMC is allowed to use any version of the GPL.
20180110 10:15:02< vn971> I suggest to just add "or later" after "GPL" two times in the text, and begone with this question.
20180110 10:15:27< JyrkiVesterinen> A UMC author can specify GPLv2 only GPLv3 only, GPLv2 or later, or anything like that.
20180110 10:15:37< vn971> JyrkiVesterinen: UMC authors are allowed to publish their work only with a specific version of GPL, or other people are allowed to use any version they will?
20180110 10:15:39< JyrkiVesterinen> See https://wiki.wesnoth.org/Wesnoth:Copyrights#User_Made_Content_-_Code
20180110 10:16:04< JyrkiVesterinen> The former. The author can choose the version.
20180110 10:16:48< vn971> Quoting from the web page:
20180110 10:16:48< vn971> > Specifying a non-GPL license within your add-on does not prevent your code from being placed under the GNU GPL v2 or later. 
20180110 10:16:48< vn971> the user gave no permission for that.
20180110 10:17:31< vn971> (Terms did not enforce this)
20180110 10:17:59< JyrkiVesterinen> I'm not sure about what that paragraph is trying to say, to be honest.
20180110 10:23:02< vn971> I'd just say "v2 or later" in the Terms, pretty sure no one would feel offended. Just for simplicity. No real reason to allow any GPL variation out there.
20180110 10:24:06< JyrkiVesterinen> I don't see the current situation as a problem of any kind.
20180110 10:26:29< vn971> A bit unclear for me as what the license actually is. But I see your point.
20180110 10:30:41< Soliton> that wiki page should perhaps be a bit more specific on what code means there. it lists examples but if something is not covered by an example it's hard to tell what exactly constitutes code.
20180110 10:31:10< Soliton> probably difficult to nail down though.
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20180110 11:32:03< AI0867> 10:39 < vn971> Anyway, what I _really_ want is to grep the code and see it doesn't say about v2 without "or later" even today. I wouldn't mind earlier license changes if  no contributor objects (in fact I even support the change). ← that was done in the past, and a tiny library was removed as a result
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20180110 19:25:57< travis-ci> wesnoth/wesnoth#16097 (close-connection-on-cancel - 30d8bf7 : Jyrki Vesterinen): The build was fixed.
20180110 19:25:57< travis-ci> Build details : https://travis-ci.org/wesnoth/wesnoth/builds/327335532
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20180110 21:21:41< irker800> wesnoth: kallaballa wesnoth:2231 0d54c9df0f88 / / (14 files in 8 dirs): implemented a surrender dialog that records a surrender command in replays and q https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/0d54c9df0f88d3a9ba7c6594b14b9277eb0b13a5
20180110 21:21:41< irker800> wesnoth: kallaballa wesnoth:2231 4eaedb4fb548 / / (6 files in 2 dirs): introduce surrender hotkey https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/4eaedb4fb5489f39018bc867b5012807dced8f5e
20180110 21:21:42< irker800> wesnoth: kallaballa wesnoth:2231 3b44486c6302 / / (7 files in 5 dirs): implemented dropout to observer on surrender-only option https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/3b44486c6302d60478aa45a2c7636d75b0c00321
20180110 21:22:19< irker800> wesnoth/wesnoth:master Jyrki Vesterinen 5aba9cd735 Fix: canceling attempt to reconnect didn AppVeyor: All builds passed
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