--- Log opened Fri Jan 19 00:00:48 2018 20180119 00:14:58<+wesnoth-discord-> Hey guys, so I was just checking out a utility on an RTS game which shows game statistics by loading a replay file. Was wondering if actions per minute would translate to actions per turn and if that statistic would be meaningful for mods like plan your advancement, xp mod, etc. Not sure if it would be very meaningful on the standard game which doesn't rely on many more actions than there are units per side. 20180119 00:41:09<+wesnoth-discord-> The dunefolk description proposed by cannedfood is the best thing that came out of the thread so far, and that is because the sand part is pretty funny 20180119 00:43:10<+wesnoth-discord-> Slaskie i don't remember that very well but it might have been intended 20180119 00:51:35-!- Haudegen [~quassel@212-186-77-29.static.upcbusiness.at] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180119 00:56:19< DeFender1031> @EoZ, link? 20180119 01:23:00-!- celticminstrel [~celmin@unaffiliated/celticminstrel] has joined #wesnoth 20180119 01:27:34-!- mattsc [~mattsc@wesnoth/developer/mattsc] has joined #wesnoth 20180119 01:28:59-!- soloojos [~soloojos@gateway/tor-sasl/soloojos] has joined #wesnoth 20180119 01:30:17-!- synthpopisback [~synthpopi@cpe-2606-A000-7947-5000-D9F0-F4E8-339D-8D95.dyn6.twc.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20180119 01:35:28-!- synthpopisback [~synthpopi@cpe-2606-A000-7947-5000-D48-43FF-8D44-4FFA.dyn6.twc.com] has joined #wesnoth 20180119 01:38:07<+wesnoth-discord-> https://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=47721&start=45 20180119 01:40:46< DeFender1031> Thanks 20180119 01:41:35< DeFender1031> Uhh.... 20180119 01:41:46< DeFender1031> That's... Certainly interesting 20180119 01:44:56<+wesnoth-discord-> So with that description, it seems almost like the Dunefolk's "hat" is the "scientist" race. Instead of magic, they study and know everything about their native lands and concoct mixtures to destroy (naptha) and create (healer line). 20180119 01:55:22-!- Haudegen [~quassel@178.115.237.87] has joined #wesnoth 20180119 02:19:20< celticminstrel> Was @EoZ meaning to call out a specific post there? 20180119 02:19:44-!- Narrat [~Narrat@p5DED1617.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: They say a little knowledge is a dangerous thing, but it's not one half so bad as a lot of ignorance.] 20180119 02:19:46< celticminstrel> Because, if so, you should click the little page icon near the post time and paste that link. 20180119 02:22:30< DeFender1031> celticminstrel, yes, and you missed the conversation before and I know that you hate checking the log. 20180119 02:22:47< celticminstrel> Yeah, that too. 20180119 02:22:52< DeFender1031> The dunefolk description proposed by cannedfood is the best thing that came out of the thread so far, and that is because the sand part is pretty funny 20180119 02:22:57-!- DeFender1031 is now known as DFender1031 20180119 02:23:08< DFender1031> Then I asked for a link. 20180119 02:23:15< DFender1031> er... what happened to my nick? 20180119 02:23:19-!- DFender1031 is now known as DeFender1031 20180119 02:23:36< DeFender1031> there we go 20180119 02:23:38< DeFender1031> that was weird 20180119 02:42:00-!- soloojos [~soloojos@gateway/tor-sasl/soloojos] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180119 02:42:38-!- soloojos [~soloojos@gateway/tor-sasl/soloojos] has joined #wesnoth 20180119 02:46:14< celticminstrel> FTR, that would mean the correct link is https://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?p=622271#p622271 20180119 02:46:31< celticminstrel> Though also I guess https://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?p=622349#p622349 20180119 02:46:36< celticminstrel> (Revised version) 20180119 03:12:02<+wesnoth-discord-> I could but was it needed, i dont think so 20180119 03:14:30<+wesnoth-discord-> Yeah exactly, khalifate was supposed to have developed science and so it seems its going to translate into dunefolk, which makes the sand thing even funnier xD To me that sounds like giving people another reason to make fun out of khalifate 20180119 03:17:26< celticminstrel> ??? 20180119 03:23:12-!- ArneBab [~quassel@freenet/developer/arnebab] has joined #wesnoth 20180119 03:23:16<+wesnoth-discord-> - Hey Ahmed you see all that sand on the desert? You know, there is a lot of sand here and we were born here and our ancestors and you know sand is the sould of this land and all and you know, I think the sand flows in our veins and gives us life force man. - But when I cut myself there was blood flowing out and not sand, it doesn't make sense Abdul. - Man its because you lost your honor and that is why sand in your veins turned into 20180119 03:23:17<+wesnoth-discord-> blood! - Damn, that makes sense! 20180119 03:27:21-!- ArneBab_ [~quassel@freenet/developer/arnebab] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20180119 03:43:34-!- mattsc [~mattsc@wesnoth/developer/mattsc] has quit [Quit: So long and thanks for all the fish.] 20180119 03:44:18<+wesnoth-discord-> I think it adds some nice flavor to the description. Though obviously you can make comedy out of pretty much anything. 20180119 03:52:53< DeFender1031> I think the implication is that it's used more as an expression than an actual belief 20180119 03:56:34< DeFender1031> like "heart of a lion" 20180119 03:58:52<+wesnoth-discord-> not really 20180119 03:59:04<+wesnoth-discord-> but out of this, well it in itself is pretty comedic xD 20180119 03:59:21<+wesnoth-discord-> no its explicitly stated to be an actual belief 20180119 04:00:23< DeFender1031> Where? 20180119 04:00:37<+wesnoth-discord-> and even if it was used as an impliciation, i dont think it would make sense to anybody, just wound yourself on a branch or while doing some simple task - there you go, you lost your honor xD anyone who has wounded himself in his life would just be like wtf 20180119 04:00:48<+wesnoth-discord-> in that post 20180119 04:00:58<+wesnoth-discord-> it doesnt sound like a flavor 20180119 04:01:34< DeFender1031> no, meaning the expression for a defeated warrior is "lost his sand" 20180119 04:01:38<+wesnoth-discord-> i mean used as an expression 20180119 04:01:44< DeFender1031> bagh, I'm not articulating well 20180119 04:02:04<+wesnoth-discord-> post clearly states that they believe sand runs in their veins 20180119 04:02:28< DeFender1031> It's also 6 AM and having slept already is not a thing I'm particularly good at... 20180119 04:02:39<+wesnoth-discord-> okay and that expresion would come from where? belief that sand runs in their veins, that is just stupid 20180119 04:02:51< DeFender1031> no, it says "it is said about them that" 20180119 04:02:54<+wesnoth-discord-> idk at first look it sounds stupid to me 20180119 04:02:57<+wesnoth-discord-> "It is said" is hardly indicative of them actually believing they have sand rather than blood. 20180119 04:03:19< DeFender1031> just as "it is said about" others that they were born with swords in their hands 20180119 04:03:27<+wesnoth-discord-> "It is said among their champions that sand, and not blood, flows in their arteries" 20180119 04:03:29< DeFender1031> they're not beliefs, they're expressions 20180119 04:03:39<+wesnoth-discord-> why 20180119 04:03:42<+wesnoth-discord-> it is indicative 20180119 04:04:03<+wesnoth-discord-> I think you're reading it much more literally than it's meant to be read. 20180119 04:04:53< DeFender1031> again, "it is said that" some person was born with a sword in his hand doesn't actually mean that they believe that the person's mother birthed a blade along with her baby 20180119 04:05:03<+wesnoth-discord-> i think if it was only the first part then you can interpret it fugaritively 20180119 04:05:19<+wesnoth-discord-> but then there is explanation why blood comes out of their wounds instead of sand 20180119 04:05:23<+wesnoth-discord-> an actual explanation 20180119 04:05:28< DeFender1031> "it is said" that someone is lionhearted doesn't mean that they believe the person has a lion's heart. 20180119 04:05:46<+wesnoth-discord-> you don't explain why your heart is not made out of iron or why you werent born with a sword in your hand 20180119 04:05:58<+wesnoth-discord-> you dont explain why somebody is not lionheart 20180119 04:06:17< DeFender1031> my point is the second part is ALSO an expression. When they are defeated in battle, the sand is said to have gone from their veins. 20180119 04:06:23<+wesnoth-discord-> you make explanations for things because you actually want people to believe that they make sense 20180119 04:06:44<+wesnoth-discord-> it isn't an explanation though 20180119 04:06:52<+wesnoth-discord-> it's a second part of an expression 20180119 04:06:58<+wesnoth-discord-> "Those who are proven wrong are said to have lost their sand in the defeat, and that any liquid which issues is the repayment owed to the sands for their vanquished pride" 20180119 04:07:03<+wesnoth-discord-> its referring to the blood 20180119 04:07:17<+wesnoth-discord-> the blood is said to have gone from their veins 20180119 04:07:20<+wesnoth-discord-> sand is not a liquid 20180119 04:07:49<+wesnoth-discord-> they have lost sand and blood is they payment for lost honor 20180119 04:07:55<+wesnoth-discord-> *their 20180119 04:08:06<+wesnoth-discord-> yes 20180119 04:08:10<+wesnoth-discord-> but not literal sand 20180119 04:08:49<+wesnoth-discord-> then why the next line is needed? 20180119 04:08:56<+wesnoth-discord-> "Those who are proven wrong are said to have lost their sand in the defeat" 20180119 04:09:01<+wesnoth-discord-> and the first sentence 20180119 04:09:16<+wesnoth-discord-> that would make it sound like something more figurative 20180119 04:09:22<+wesnoth-discord-> the last part indicates that its not 20180119 04:10:02<+wesnoth-discord-> in their defeat they lost their sand - their honor - due to their pride. 20180119 04:10:37<+wesnoth-discord-> also 20180119 04:10:46<+wesnoth-discord-> there is that "those wor are proven wrong" part 20180119 04:10:54<+wesnoth-discord-> i dont think you can argue against that 20180119 04:11:01< DeFender1031> If I say "he has fire in his heart" and then I say "the fire has gone out of his heart, doused by his defeat", no one thinks I mean that the person had literal combustion occurring in their cardiovascular system. 20180119 04:11:19<+wesnoth-discord-> guy gets overconfident, guy gets stabbed, guy was proven wrong 20180119 04:11:33<+wesnoth-discord-> those who are proven wrong that sand does not flow in their veins 20180119 04:12:00<+wesnoth-discord-> yes 20180119 04:12:14<+wesnoth-discord-> because they got stabbed 20180119 04:12:19<+wesnoth-discord-> or whatever 20180119 04:12:47<+wesnoth-discord-> if you say someone's green with envy, you don't mean that they're actually the color green 20180119 04:13:03<+wesnoth-discord-> defender yes but then you don't make up a story about how that fire is invisible and doesn't hurt honorable people 20180119 04:13:26<+wesnoth-discord-> how can you interpret it figuratively pentarctagon 20180119 04:13:31<+wesnoth-discord-> you cant 20180119 04:13:50<+wesnoth-discord-> err... but I am? 20180119 04:13:52< DeFender1031> no one made up the equivalent of such a story. 20180119 04:14:01<+wesnoth-discord-> would you say that eg those who are proven wrong to have lion heart send the lion from their heart to the zoo 20180119 04:14:09<+wesnoth-discord-> that is silly isnt it 20180119 04:14:17<+wesnoth-discord-> but its the same principle 20180119 04:14:54< DeFender1031> Look, I'll grant you that there are parts of this description (the one in question among them) that are very silly indeed. I just don't think it's as literal as you're taking it. 20180119 04:15:04< DeFender1031> No, no one said anything like that 20180119 04:15:27<+wesnoth-discord-> the intention may be that it shouldn't be taken seriously but the wording certainly indicates it to be taken seriously 20180119 04:15:35<+wesnoth-discord-> I could say something like: "the lion within him fled, leaving behind nought but a quivering coward" 20180119 04:16:03<+wesnoth-discord-> I also feel that the phrasing as presented is quite awkward 20180119 04:16:05< DeFender1031> Yes, I'll grant that the wording makes some of it sound sillier than it is. 20180119 04:16:36<+wesnoth-discord-> the idea behind it is good though. 20180119 04:16:39<+wesnoth-discord-> he probably didn't mean it literally 20180119 04:16:39<+wesnoth-discord-> even if so 20180119 04:16:48<+wesnoth-discord-> then there is like 5th issue with it 20180119 04:16:53<+wesnoth-discord-> so it probably needs to be reworded 20180119 04:16:56<+wesnoth-discord-> carefully 20180119 04:17:25<+wesnoth-discord-> it indicates that wounds taken and blood flowing out of them is indication of lost honour 20180119 04:17:50<+wesnoth-discord-> so if i cut myself and blood issued from the wound (indication of lost honour) would i also lose honour? 20180119 04:18:25<+wesnoth-discord-> would you say that logic doesn't apply? 20180119 04:18:31<+wesnoth-discord-> I don't think so 20180119 04:18:47<+wesnoth-discord-> of course logic doesn't apply to it 20180119 04:19:00<+wesnoth-discord-> there's no way any of that logically makes sense 20180119 04:19:09<+wesnoth-discord-> they don't literally have sand in their veins 20180119 04:19:14<+wesnoth-discord-> logic applies to everything 20180119 04:19:24<+wesnoth-discord-> to any sentence 20180119 04:19:30<+wesnoth-discord-> to this sentence too 20180119 04:19:31< DeFender1031> Something like "It is common to say about their champions that sand, rather than blood, flows in their arteries, and those who are proven wrong are said to have 'lost their sand' in their defeat and disgrace, their spilled blood the repayment owed to the sands for their vanquished pride." would be slightly less silly. 20180119 04:19:33<+wesnoth-discord-> and by logic 20180119 04:19:36<+wesnoth-discord-> this is what it means 20180119 04:20:42<+wesnoth-discord-> even if you make assumptions like that it is figurative and you give the benefit of the doubt, it doesn't make sense internally 20180119 04:21:02<+wesnoth-discord-> you lose honor when you cut yourself and blood flows? nobody would agree to that 20180119 04:21:52<+wesnoth-discord-> then I would encourage you to post suggestions to improve it. perhaps clarifying that only blood lost in battle, or in foolish pursuits, or something. 20180119 04:22:00< DeFender1031> I mean, the whole thing is a little silly, because sand isn't something I associate with warrior spirit. In fact, I don't like sand... It's coarse... and rough and irritating... and it gets everywhere. 20180119 04:22:36< DeFender1031> No one said that a simple cut means lost honor. Obviously it means cut down in battle. 20180119 04:22:44<+wesnoth-discord-> pls 20180119 04:23:03<+wesnoth-discord-> I think the whole idea even if better worded isn't very good 20180119 04:24:22<+wesnoth-discord-> you can say that sb has an iron heart or lion heart because it is so far from reality that its very hard to take it seriously, but to say that sand flows in your weins and that when you lose in battle you give blood as an offering to the sands? 20180119 04:24:35<+wesnoth-discord-> maybe that last part could be changed 20180119 04:24:46<+wesnoth-discord-> but still, does sand have any positive values? 20180119 04:25:16<+wesnoth-discord-> I mean, they're the Dunefolk, to them i very well might. 20180119 04:25:25<+wesnoth-discord-> would anyone actually want to be said of him that he has sand flowing in his veins? i dont believe even people from the desert would want to say that, i dont think they worship sand or like it particularly much 20180119 04:25:39<+wesnoth-discord-> its like somebody living in the swamp saying that mud flows in his veins 20180119 04:26:07< DeFender1031> I think there's an expression like that for sailors and seawater, no? 20180119 04:26:21<+wesnoth-discord-> is there 20180119 04:26:38<+wesnoth-discord-> they refer to us as dirty landlubbers 😮 20180119 04:26:51< celticminstrel> Sand can be made into glass. 20180119 04:26:54<+wesnoth-discord-> and even if there is then seawater flowing in your weins doesnt sound as bad as sand 20180119 04:27:06<+wesnoth-discord-> xD 20180119 04:27:23<+wesnoth-discord-> I dunno, salt water tastes pretty nasty 20180119 04:27:30<+wesnoth-discord-> amorphic substance flows in your veins XDDD 20180119 04:28:13<+wesnoth-discord-> I feel like "I have sand flowing in my veins" would basically be saying I'm immortal 20180119 04:28:35<+wesnoth-discord-> in wesnoth glass blowers believe glass flows in their veins 20180119 04:28:57<+wesnoth-discord-> nah there are better ways to say it 20180119 04:29:29<+wesnoth-discord-> Since I, in saying that, am claiming I don't need blood 20180119 04:30:08<+wesnoth-discord-> I would take that as meaning they are very skilled, or are one with the glass they are sculpting. 20180119 04:30:38<+wesnoth-discord-> yeah that makes more sense than sand im surprised 20180119 04:30:50<+wesnoth-discord-> it relates directly to what they are doing 20180119 04:31:06<+wesnoth-discord-> so the dunefolk have sand flowing in their veins because they are one with the desert 20180119 04:31:29<+wesnoth-discord-> yyy i dont see any good connection with that 20180119 04:31:42<+wesnoth-discord-> 😑 20180119 04:31:55<+wesnoth-discord-> 🤔 20180119 04:31:56<+wesnoth-discord-> eg would you say you have lion heart because you have good connection to lions 20180119 04:32:01<+wesnoth-discord-> or cat heart, lets say 20180119 04:32:15<+wesnoth-discord-> I mean, lion tamers are pretty brave, so sure, why not 20180119 04:32:40<+wesnoth-discord-> but that is because of the bravery if anything 20180119 04:32:46<+wesnoth-discord-> If I worked with wolves and they accepted me as a member of their pack, I could say that I figuratively have the heart of a wolf :P 20180119 04:33:12<+wesnoth-discord-> I'm pretty sure I've read books where that has actually been said 20180119 04:33:51<+wesnoth-discord-> or you would rather say that you are a wolf 20180119 04:34:12<+wesnoth-discord-> heart of a wolf means that you rather have some quality of a wolf 20180119 04:34:15< DeFender1031> Pent: "the dunefolk are one with the desert" EoZ: "I don't see a connection." Me: Really? You don't see why the *desert* dwelling *dune*folk would have a connection to the desert? 20180119 04:34:53<+wesnoth-discord-> i meant that the connection between sand in the veins and having good connection to some particular thing like desert 20180119 04:34:57-!- cyphase [~cyphase@unaffiliated/cyphase] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20180119 04:35:06<+wesnoth-discord-> ...they live in the desert 20180119 04:35:13<+wesnoth-discord-> which has lots of sand 20180119 04:35:17<+wesnoth-discord-> like, everywhere 20180119 04:35:23< DeFender1031> @EoZ, out of curiosity ,are you a native English speaker? I'm wondering if this is perhaps a "lost in translation" issue. 20180119 04:35:33<+wesnoth-discord-> that is starting to sound like part of my joke 20180119 04:35:38<+wesnoth-discord-> no 20180119 04:36:02<+wesnoth-discord-> someone pick me a number between 45 and 65 20180119 04:36:12<+wesnoth-discord-> i doubt it is if Yumi also agreed with me 20180119 04:36:23<+wesnoth-discord-> 45.5 20180119 04:36:32<+wesnoth-discord-> an integer :l 20180119 04:36:37<+wesnoth-discord-> fine... 20180119 04:36:41<+wesnoth-discord-> 51 20180119 04:36:47<+wesnoth-discord-> okay 20180119 04:37:02<+wesnoth-discord-> now I need to name this unit something that doesn't sound awful 20180119 04:37:23<+wesnoth-discord-> 51 ways to die 20180119 04:37:25<+wesnoth-discord-> Have you tried "Terrible"? 20180119 04:37:25<+wesnoth-discord-> xD 20180119 04:37:29-!- cyphase [~cyphase@unaffiliated/cyphase] has joined #wesnoth 20180119 04:37:42<+wesnoth-discord-> Terrible doesn't sounds like awful 👀 20180119 04:37:43< celticminstrel> If there's anyone who has glass for blood I'd assume it's the trolls. :P 20180119 04:37:54< celticminstrel> ...not that I expect they have glass for blood. 20180119 04:37:59<+wesnoth-discord-> 🤔 20180119 04:38:14<+wesnoth-discord-> trolls in early wesnoth were green 20180119 04:38:15<+wesnoth-discord-> Why would trolls have glass for blood? 20180119 04:38:22<+wesnoth-discord-> and i believe they do bleed 20180119 04:38:30<+wesnoth-discord-> no idea 20180119 04:38:34<+wesnoth-discord-> it doesnt make sense 20180119 04:38:56<+wesnoth-discord-> it would make more sense if they had oil as their blood 20180119 04:39:03<+wesnoth-discord-> Glass would seem to imply they're fragile to impact 20180119 04:39:06<+wesnoth-discord-> since oil comes from earth 20180119 04:39:17<+wesnoth-discord-> maybe it's bulletproof glass or something 20180119 04:39:27<+wesnoth-discord-> in the lore it says they turn into statues of stone when they die 20180119 04:39:30<+wesnoth-discord-> there's some really hard glass that can be made 20180119 04:39:37<+wesnoth-discord-> so maybe their bodies are made of like earthen stuffs 20180119 04:40:12<+wesnoth-discord-> really 20180119 04:40:16<+wesnoth-discord-> i didnt know that 20180119 04:40:29<+wesnoth-discord-> All bodies are made of earthen stuffs 👀 20180119 04:40:44<+wesnoth-discord-> I think it's in the unit description of the Troll. 20180119 04:40:48<+wesnoth-discord-> pentarctagon yes but that requires layers of glass and worksmanship 20180119 04:40:54<+wesnoth-discord-> all bodies are made of chemicals 20180119 04:40:58<+wesnoth-discord-> 0.0 20180119 04:41:17<+wesnoth-discord-> we are big chunks of CHON 20180119 04:41:31<+wesnoth-discord-> obviously 20180119 04:41:36< celticminstrel> @Visage - Trolls appear to be a rock-like life form, so rock-like blood? I dunno, I agree it makes little sense. 20180119 04:41:46<+wesnoth-discord-> oil 20180119 04:41:47< celticminstrel> Though I disagree that it would imply fragility. 20180119 04:41:54<+wesnoth-discord-> Lava blood? 20180119 04:42:05<+wesnoth-discord-> trolls are indeed weaker to impact than to blade and pierce 20180119 04:42:08<+wesnoth-discord-> somebody should make a campaign where he suggests trolls have oil blood though that would be pretty funny xD 20180119 04:42:24<+wesnoth-discord-> its because of the properties of stone 20180119 04:42:33<+wesnoth-discord-> stone is easier to smash than to cut of pierce 20180119 04:43:08<+wesnoth-discord-> *or 20180119 04:43:53<+wesnoth-discord-> I suppose you could argue that Troll shamans have oil blood 😛 20180119 04:43:55<+wesnoth-discord-> its something that could potentially make sense unlike glass 20180119 04:44:17<+wesnoth-discord-> also glass even after melting is way too viscous to serve as a blood 20180119 04:44:30<+wesnoth-discord-> maybe they're living fulgurites 20180119 04:44:32<+wesnoth-discord-> haha 20180119 04:44:37<+wesnoth-discord-> visage that is interesting idea 20180119 04:44:49<+wesnoth-discord-> and that is why they conjure flames that is pretty good 20180119 04:45:40<+wesnoth-discord-> so they are basically glass? 20180119 04:45:59<+wesnoth-discord-> they dont have many properties of glass 20180119 04:46:04<+wesnoth-discord-> not exactly 20180119 04:46:08<+wesnoth-discord-> when they fight dunefolk 20180119 04:46:11<+wesnoth-discord-> they turn the dunefolk into glass 20180119 04:46:28<+wesnoth-discord-> sounds like something the drakes would do then 20180119 04:46:33<+wesnoth-discord-> that too 20180119 04:46:34<+wesnoth-discord-> or maybe dunefold were glass human all along? xD 20180119 04:46:45<+wesnoth-discord-> XD 20180119 04:47:18<+wesnoth-discord-> well drakes melt trolls ad its reflected in how effective burners are vs them 20180119 04:48:54<+wesnoth-discord-> maybe 20180119 04:48:59<+wesnoth-discord-> lets make dunefolk worship glass 20180119 04:49:07<+wesnoth-discord-> XD 20180119 04:49:33<+wesnoth-discord-> they could see glass as an "improved" version of sand 20180119 04:49:50-!- soloojos [~soloojos@gateway/tor-sasl/soloojos] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180119 04:50:18<+wesnoth-discord-> refined sand 20180119 04:50:37-!- soloojos [~soloojos@gateway/tor-sasl/soloojos] has joined #wesnoth 20180119 04:50:57<+wesnoth-discord-> i think its not the worst of idea 20180119 04:51:01<+wesnoth-discord-> ideas 20180119 04:54:07<+wesnoth-discord-> if you want to make a certain evil character appear more evil say that "spikes flow in his veins" 20180119 04:54:52<+wesnoth-discord-> and whenever you attack him, you take damage as well 20180119 04:56:07<+wesnoth-discord-> hm 20180119 04:56:19<+wesnoth-discord-> vampires have blood manipulating magic 20180119 04:56:32<+wesnoth-discord-> vampires blood mage + spikes blood evil guy 20180119 04:56:36<+wesnoth-discord-> interesting 20180119 04:57:04<+wesnoth-discord-> they could do a lot 20180119 04:57:11<+wesnoth-discord-> does "heart of humanity" or "core of humanity" sound better 20180119 04:57:17-!- cyphase [~cyphase@unaffiliated/cyphase] has quit [Quit: cyphase.com] 20180119 04:57:39<+wesnoth-discord-> actually they both sound bad... 20180119 04:57:44<+wesnoth-discord-> hmm.... 20180119 04:57:58<+wesnoth-discord-> "soul of humanity" 20180119 04:57:59<+wesnoth-discord-> essence of humanity? 20180119 04:58:27<+wesnoth-discord-> Are you planning on using it for something specific? 20180119 04:58:33<+wesnoth-discord-> I have to name this scenario 20180119 04:58:48<+wesnoth-discord-> Oh. 20180119 04:58:54<+wesnoth-discord-> 🤷 20180119 04:59:19<+wesnoth-discord-> What's a basic description of it? 20180119 04:59:31<+wesnoth-discord-> its hard to come up with a name 20180119 04:59:44<+wesnoth-discord-> beyond essence of humanity i cant think of any good alternatives 20180119 04:59:46<+wesnoth-discord-> wait wait wiat jk 20180119 04:59:50<+wesnoth-discord-> I don't even need to name it now 20180119 04:59:56<+wesnoth-discord-> XD 20180119 05:00:00<+wesnoth-discord-> I can leave it as 17_ and that's a good enough placeholder 20180119 05:00:11<+wesnoth-discord-> Yeah. I write fiction, and I always find it hard to name my characters. 20180119 05:00:15<+wesnoth-discord-> it shouldn't break anything 20180119 05:01:29<+wesnoth-discord-> Like how you are, or were, finding it difficult to name your scenario. 20180119 05:02:31<+wesnoth-discord-> I would probably give names like 'The Battle' or 'The Skirmish' to scenarios in a campaign. 20180119 05:03:32-!- cyphase [~cyphase@unaffiliated/cyphase] has joined #wesnoth 20180119 05:04:00<+wesnoth-discord-> it's a shame to write 4000 lines of wml for a scenario 20180119 05:04:02<+wesnoth-discord-> then not know how to name it 20180119 05:04:09<+wesnoth-discord-> luckily this one was easier to name 20180119 05:06:42<+wesnoth-discord-> Oh, I know the feeling. 20180119 05:13:50<+wesnoth-discord-> Writing many, many, pages, and then not even coming up with a fitting name for a character, or chapter, or even the book. 20180119 05:21:28-!- celticminstrel [~celmin@unaffiliated/celticminstrel] has quit [Quit: KABOOM! It seems that I have exploded. Please wait while I reinstall the universe.] 20180119 05:33:43-!- Xara [~yangyf@2001:cc0:2020:4010:89b4:ca62:fe6d:fe91] has joined #wesnoth 20180119 05:34:07-!- Xara is now known as Guest68979 20180119 05:35:48-!- Xara2 [~yangyf@2001:cc0:2020:4010:89b4:ca62:fe6d:fe91] has joined #wesnoth 20180119 05:35:48-!- Guest68979 [~yangyf@2001:cc0:2020:4010:89b4:ca62:fe6d:fe91] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20180119 05:43:48<+wesnoth-discord-> That depends what aspect of the human spirit you're trying to evoke 20180119 05:44:57<+wesnoth-discord-> Often, after struggling, I just find a name that 'fits' for some reason. 20180119 05:45:54<+wesnoth-discord-> I think the letters and pronunciation have a huge part in how the name 'feels'. 20180119 05:47:20-!- Xara3 [~yangyf@2001:cc0:2020:4010:89b4:ca62:fe6d:fe91] has joined #wesnoth 20180119 05:50:05-!- Xara2 [~yangyf@2001:cc0:2020:4010:89b4:ca62:fe6d:fe91] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 20180119 05:53:29<+wesnoth-discord-> I'm 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