--- Log opened Tue Jan 30 00:00:46 2018 20180130 00:01:38-!- Appleman1234 [~quassel@124x38x163x22.ap124.ftth.ucom.ne.jp] has joined #wesnoth 20180130 00:18:11-!- babyflakes [uid171740@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bwyratompzczdwxl] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 20180130 00:26:05-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180130 00:26:12-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth 20180130 00:26:37-!- Haudegen [~quassel@178.115.237.87] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20180130 00:43:59-!- sigurdfd [sigurdfd@dynamic-acs-72-23-110-196.zoominternet.net] has quit [] 20180130 01:05:04-!- celticminstrel [~celmin@unaffiliated/celticminstrel] has joined #wesnoth 20180130 02:25:42<+wesnoth-discord-> Hi all! 20180130 02:26:03<+wesnoth-discord-> I've played Wesnoth for a long time, like since 2006, but I'm beginner level. I think I want to learn how to play at a competitive level.. )) 20180130 02:27:05-!- Bonobo [~Bonobo@220-244-89-194.tpgi.com.au] has joined #wesnoth 20180130 02:28:40<+wesnoth-discord-> Hello. Is there any specific field you wish you were better in, or would you just like to be a better player overall? 20180130 02:29:25<+wesnoth-discord-> Both! :3 20180130 02:29:29<+wesnoth-discord-> Well, what do you mean by specific fields? 20180130 02:29:38<+wesnoth-discord-> I want to understand maps better, and I want to be better with undead and knalgan 20180130 02:31:04<+wesnoth-discord-> Just like specific areas of strategy. 20180130 02:31:09<+wesnoth-discord-> Ooh ok. 20180130 02:31:31<+wesnoth-discord-> I think i'm weak both in terms of recruits and in positioning units 20180130 02:31:55<+wesnoth-discord-> Oh. 20180130 02:34:10<+wesnoth-discord-> Well, I'm not the best player, but I think I can give some help. With positioning, if the map is clear, then i use the fastest terrain until the enemy is 1~2 turns away. Then, I stick to nearby defensive positions, unless it's an unfavorable time of day. Then, I retreat (if possible) and attack when it is favorable. 20180130 02:35:03<+wesnoth-discord-> With terms of recruit, it really depends on who you are fighting. 20180130 02:35:09<+wesnoth-discord-> aha 20180130 02:35:36<+wesnoth-discord-> My wesnoth account name by the way is Crimson_Conure 20180130 02:36:03<+wesnoth-discord-> Okay thank you, anything else? 20180130 02:36:38<+wesnoth-discord-> For example, as Loyalists, you should always have quite a few spearmen against Drakes. But, if you are fighting Undead, don't recruit any, or 1 if you really want to. 20180130 02:36:59<+wesnoth-discord-> They kill Dark Adepts, but get killed by everything else. 20180130 02:37:14<+wesnoth-discord-> (Because of the resistances) 20180130 02:39:26<+wesnoth-discord-> When it has shroud/fog, and you don't know who you are fighting, I recommend buying an archer and a fighter, and if possible, a scout. Don't spend too much. Then, when you know who, you can recruit accordingly. 20180130 02:39:48<+wesnoth-discord-> *buying/recalling 20180130 02:40:27<+wesnoth-discord-> Like I said, I'm not the best player, but I want to try to help. 20180130 02:41:04<+wesnoth-discord-> Do you have any ideas of what else you might want help or tips on? @Meta Mirage 20180130 02:41:38<+wesnoth-discord-> Hmm well I play undead but I find it tricky. Should I switch to something easier? 20180130 02:41:51<+wesnoth-discord-> Also thank you for your help, honestly.. :) 20180130 02:42:25<+wesnoth-discord-> Undead are the hardest faction to play, IMO. They rock at night, even more than orcs, but suck at day. 20180130 02:43:00<+wesnoth-discord-> You have to know who you are fighting, and recruit an array of units to combat their undead killers. 20180130 02:43:55<+wesnoth-discord-> Like, against Loys, I'd recommend recruiting some Ghouls, Ghosts, and Adepts, since Heavy Infantry are weak to the latter 2. 20180130 02:44:25<+wesnoth-discord-> (I think so...haven't played it in a week or two. I've been busy) 20180130 02:44:37<+wesnoth-discord-> (Maybe 3) 20180130 02:45:02<+wesnoth-discord-> Does that help? 20180130 02:46:16<+wesnoth-discord-> @Meta Mirage 20180130 02:46:51<+wesnoth-discord-> Ah 20180130 02:46:58<+wesnoth-discord-> yes 20180130 02:47:05<+wesnoth-discord-> I'm thinking of just going loyalist since they are more standard.. 20180130 02:47:39<+wesnoth-discord-> Oh yeah. They are sorta the 'default/standard' faction. 20180130 02:48:15<+wesnoth-discord-> Since we are humans, the main race in the game is humans, and some of the traits of the other races are based off of us. 20180130 02:48:48<+wesnoth-discord-> But if we were, for example, Saurians, the campaigns would focus more on them and swamps. 20180130 02:49:09<+wesnoth-discord-> :P 20180130 02:49:19<+wesnoth-discord-> And we'd see the other races thru the eyes of saurians. 20180130 02:49:31<+wesnoth-discord-> "Dirty humans" 20180130 02:50:20<+wesnoth-discord-> XD 20180130 02:50:30<+wesnoth-discord-> Anything else I can help you with? 20180130 02:51:12<+wesnoth-discord-> @Meta Mirage 20180130 02:52:59<+wesnoth-discord-> lol :P and hmm 20180130 02:53:10<+wesnoth-discord-> just like fighting techniques? 20180130 02:53:55<+wesnoth-discord-> Resistances are a huge part in the way i play. 20180130 02:54:22<+wesnoth-discord-> If you utilise them to your advantage, you'll win the game. 20180130 02:54:34<+wesnoth-discord-> also whats better against drakes, red mage or white mage? lol 20180130 02:54:43<+wesnoth-discord-> White. 20180130 02:54:44<+wesnoth-discord-> ah 20180130 02:54:58<+wesnoth-discord-> Drakes are resistant to Fire-Damage. 20180130 02:55:08<+wesnoth-discord-> Since they breathe that. 20180130 02:55:32<+wesnoth-discord-> So, a Red Mage is fairly ineffective against them. 20180130 02:58:07<+wesnoth-discord-> Also, the games AI is very exploitable. There has been lots of times where I put several units in their range, and it just attacked one with several units, and even though my unit did die, they put a lot of units in vernerable positions. 20180130 02:58:19<+wesnoth-discord-> *vulnerable 20180130 02:58:25<+wesnoth-discord-> Like a river. 20180130 02:58:57<+wesnoth-discord-> And so when it was my turn, I defeated a lot of their poorly-defended units in return. 20180130 02:59:36<+wesnoth-discord-> Just be sure to use the terrain to your advantage. 20180130 03:00:05<+wesnoth-discord-> Like Dwarves are great in mountains and hills, decent in caves, but suck everywhere else. 20180130 03:00:12<+wesnoth-discord-> ah 20180130 03:00:47<+wesnoth-discord-> 30% def on most, if I remember correctly. 20180130 03:01:10<+wesnoth-discord-> Similar with Elves, but with Forests. 20180130 03:01:23<+wesnoth-discord-> They do best there. 20180130 03:01:35<+wesnoth-discord-> And decent everywhere else that isnt liquid. 20180130 03:01:47<+wesnoth-discord-> How do I send downloadable games to be analyzed? 20180130 03:01:50<+wesnoth-discord-> and where would I send them? 20180130 03:02:43<+wesnoth-discord-> You mean the replay? 20180130 03:02:53<+wesnoth-discord-> yeah 20180130 03:03:37<+wesnoth-discord-> I believe it can't be done on mobile, but it can with everything else. 20180130 03:03:45<+wesnoth-discord-> yeah, I use desktop 20180130 03:04:14<+wesnoth-discord-> Oh ok. 20180130 03:04:58<+wesnoth-discord-> You just need to pull up preferences, then go to file paths, i believe it's called to go to the files. 20180130 03:05:29<+wesnoth-discord-> Then trace the folders to your replays and copy the file, and paste it where you need to. 20180130 03:05:44<+wesnoth-discord-> I don't know much about WML or Wesnoth files. 20180130 03:06:09<+wesnoth-discord-> ah 20180130 03:06:35<+wesnoth-discord-> if it's the standard path, it's My Documents/My Games/Wesnoth1.12/saves 20180130 03:06:36<+wesnoth-discord-> for windows 20180130 03:06:42<+wesnoth-discord-> Found it! Thank you 20180130 03:06:43<+wesnoth-discord-> as long as you didn't edit that 20180130 03:06:55<+wesnoth-discord-> I believe there's a tourney going on right now 20180130 03:07:04<+wesnoth-discord-> you could look at the replays if you're curious 20180130 03:07:26<+wesnoth-discord-> Indeed. Let's say I want to get a replay analyzed, where would you guys recommend that I upload it to? 20180130 03:07:29<+wesnoth-discord-> I just play the game, and edit files when needed 20180130 03:07:35<+wesnoth-discord-> like is there a forums or place to put them online? 20180130 03:07:40<+wesnoth-discord-> forums.wesnoth.org 20180130 03:07:46<+wesnoth-discord-> strategies and tips 20180130 03:07:48<+wesnoth-discord-> Yeah the website. 20180130 03:07:49<+wesnoth-discord-> Okay 20180130 03:07:53<+wesnoth-discord-> https://forums.wesnoth.org/viewforum.php?f=3 20180130 03:08:08<+wesnoth-discord-> however it isn't super super active 20180130 03:08:26<+wesnoth-discord-> but you never know when a thread might get attention 20180130 03:08:29<+wesnoth-discord-> the internet is fickle 😛 20180130 03:08:55-!- babyflakes [uid171740@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ntfricitpkrhbtxa] has joined #wesnoth 20180130 03:10:58<+wesnoth-discord-> Yeah. Wesnoth has a small community compared to other games, I believe. 20180130 03:11:11<+wesnoth-discord-> ah 20180130 03:11:46<+wesnoth-discord-> I see plenty of newer MMOs with millions of players, even though they are just like all other MMOs. 20180130 03:12:12-!- ArneBab_ [~quassel@freenet/developer/arnebab] has joined #wesnoth 20180130 03:12:36<+wesnoth-discord-> When there are plenty of other games to play, besides the same genre, just different variations. 20180130 03:13:20<+wesnoth-discord-> how to upload? I just drag and drop the replay file? 20180130 03:13:39<+wesnoth-discord-> I've never done it. 20180130 03:13:59<+wesnoth-discord-> Try it and see if it works. 20180130 03:14:31<+wesnoth-discord-> Sorry I can't help with that, like I said, I just play the game. 20180130 03:14:37<+wesnoth-discord-> Okay, thank you guys! 20180130 03:14:43<+wesnoth-discord-> Welcome! 20180130 03:14:52<+wesnoth-discord-> Need help with anything else? 20180130 03:15:46<+wesnoth-discord-> when you scroll down when making a thread 20180130 03:16:02<+wesnoth-discord-> there should be a little tab there with "options" and "upload attachment" 20180130 03:16:17<+wesnoth-discord-> select the upload attachment tab and upload the file like that 20180130 03:16:37-!- ArneBab [~quassel@freenet/developer/arnebab] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 20180130 03:18:43<+wesnoth-discord-> Do you need help or want tips or anything else with the game? 20180130 03:19:01<+wesnoth-discord-> I posted and it worked :D 20180130 03:19:29<+wesnoth-discord-> And well, maybe advice for choosing a faction? I play chess by the way and I'm kind of an aggressive and pushy chess player. I like restricting opponents and getting space, that's kind of my personality 20180130 03:20:16<+wesnoth-discord-> Same here. 20180130 03:20:20<+wesnoth-discord-> aha 20180130 03:20:58<+wesnoth-discord-> I always play the aggressive style, forcing my opponent on the defense, making them play by my rules. 20180130 03:21:26<+wesnoth-discord-> In Wesnoth, some factions are better for that than others. 20180130 03:21:44<+wesnoth-discord-> The most aggressive one, IMO, is Undead, at night. 20180130 03:22:23<+wesnoth-discord-> yeah, I like trying to gain space, because then more income 🤑 20180130 03:22:47<+wesnoth-discord-> whats maybe the easiest faction for holding ground? 20180130 03:22:48<+wesnoth-discord-> like 20180130 03:22:49<+wesnoth-discord-> Yeah. 20180130 03:23:03<+wesnoth-discord-> most resiliant against being pushed away 20180130 03:23:09<+wesnoth-discord-> I think the Loys. 20180130 03:23:11<+wesnoth-discord-> ah 20180130 03:23:38<+wesnoth-discord-> They are good on all terrains, though not the best on any. 20180130 03:24:01<+wesnoth-discord-> The only exception really is water. 20180130 03:24:05<+wesnoth-discord-> They suck there. 20180130 03:24:30<+wesnoth-discord-> We aren't amphibians. 20180130 03:24:32<+wesnoth-discord-> XD 20180130 03:24:55< celticminstrel> Don't need to be amphibians to do well in water... 20180130 03:25:34<+wesnoth-discord-> lol 20180130 03:25:50<+wesnoth-discord-> yeah I'm thinking of maining loyalists, they seem like the easiest 20180130 03:25:58<+wesnoth-discord-> and best at day too 20180130 03:27:35<+wesnoth-discord-> :celticminstrel Yeah, I guess. 20180130 03:28:49<+wesnoth-discord-> what is the IRC bot for? lol 20180130 03:29:52< celticminstrel> It's just a bridge. 20180130 03:30:23< celticminstrel> Connecting the IRC channel with the Discord... channel? Room? Whatever you call it. 20180130 03:32:26<+wesnoth-discord-> It's a server divided into channels. 20180130 03:33:13< celticminstrel> So channel. 20180130 03:33:19< celticminstrel> Since the IRC-bot is only in the general or whatever. 20180130 03:33:30<+wesnoth-discord-> ohh 20180130 03:33:46<+wesnoth-discord-> Yeah. 20180130 03:40:14<+wesnoth-discord-> apparently loyalists are good for making pushes 20180130 03:40:42<+wesnoth-discord-> but I also think that most high rank players random their factions when playing 20180130 03:40:48<+wesnoth-discord-> ah 20180130 03:40:52<+wesnoth-discord-> (not sure, someone can correct me if I'm wrong) 20180130 03:41:50<+wesnoth-discord-> Personally, I like Knalgans and Orcs the most. 20180130 03:41:58<+wesnoth-discord-> More of my style. 20180130 03:42:03<+wesnoth-discord-> mmm 20180130 03:42:51<+wesnoth-discord-> Orcs are lower costing, and so you can statistically buy more, and play more aggressive since they have more average damage per hit. 20180130 03:44:15<+wesnoth-discord-> Knalgans have more resistances and better quality units that cost more. 20180130 03:44:29<+wesnoth-discord-> mmm 20180130 03:45:09<+wesnoth-discord-> Kinda opposite strategies, but I can play em both at least decent. 20180130 03:47:14<+wesnoth-discord-> It's been three days since I asked my question and received a response, but I just want to say thanks for answering my question on Jan 26, 1:32 AM 20180130 03:50:19<+wesnoth-discord-> @Meta Mirage Do you have any more questions? 20180130 03:52:16<+wesnoth-discord-> Oh, though it wasn't me, thanks for that us. We try our best to help. 20180130 03:53:59-!- celticminstrel [~celmin@unaffiliated/celticminstrel] has quit [Quit: And lo! The computer falls into a deep sleep, to awake again some other day!] 20180130 04:03:09<+wesnoth-discord-> @Meta Mirage Do you have any more quesions? 20180130 04:03:16<+wesnoth-discord-> *questions 20180130 04:03:23<+wesnoth-discord-> Been kinda tired today. 20180130 04:03:55<+wesnoth-discord-> ah hmm 20180130 04:04:21<+wesnoth-discord-> so I think about unit placement... 20180130 04:05:01<+wesnoth-discord-> u say to pick the terrain where the units travel the fastest 20180130 04:05:11<+wesnoth-discord-> and then when you're 1-2 turns away, you try to move onto defensive terrain 20180130 04:05:15<+wesnoth-discord-> okay 20180130 04:05:29<+wesnoth-discord-> how do I combine this with efficiently capturing villages? 20180130 04:08:30<+wesnoth-discord-> Villages usually cost 1~2 movement normally, and so when possible, I capture villages while still using the most movement. Like if Unit A is right by the village, but Unit B has 5 movement points and just so happens to be 5 spaces away from it, and they each cost 1 movement, I capture it with B and move A forward. 20180130 04:09:11<+wesnoth-discord-> Make sense? 20180130 04:10:04<+wesnoth-discord-> I suck at explaining things sometimes, so that might not be the most understandable. 20180130 04:10:15<+wesnoth-discord-> Plus the fact I've been tired. 20180130 04:13:13<+wesnoth-discord-> @Meta Mirage Does that make sense to you? 20180130 04:15:31<+wesnoth-discord-> mmm I think that maeks sense kind of 20180130 04:15:40<+wesnoth-discord-> like 20180130 04:15:47<+wesnoth-discord-> the most furthest back unit to go to village 20180130 04:15:55<+wesnoth-discord-> and the other units to mobilize? 20180130 04:16:09<+wesnoth-discord-> Yeah. 20180130 04:16:31<+wesnoth-discord-> Sorry if it was too complicated or confusing. 20180130 04:18:49<+wesnoth-discord-> Got any more questions? 20180130 04:24:22<+wesnoth-discord-> @Meta Mirage 20180130 04:24:55<+wesnoth-discord-> hmmm 20180130 04:25:13<+wesnoth-discord-> any tips to defending or ZOC? 20180130 04:29:13<+wesnoth-discord-> I usually get on the best defensive terrain I possibly can when it approaches unfavorable times of day. (night for loys/drakes and day for undead/orcs) And when defending, I hold a defensive position and try and use the terrain to create a formation that allows wounded units to retreat without getting hunted down. If you use the ZOC right, it can be very effective. 20180130 04:31:52<+wesnoth-discord-> Do you have any ideas of what else you might want help or tips on? 20180130 04:32:37<+wesnoth-discord-> @Meta Mirage 20180130 04:33:54<+wesnoth-discord-> mmm 20180130 04:34:38<+wesnoth-discord-> well 20180130 04:35:13<+wesnoth-discord-> tips to unit countering? 20180130 04:35:29<+wesnoth-discord-> Resistances, mainly.] 20180130 04:35:33<+wesnoth-discord-> oops 20180130 04:35:49<+wesnoth-discord-> Like, Drakes get killed by Spearmen. 20180130 04:36:11<+wesnoth-discord-> But kill Heavy Infantry because of the resistances. 20180130 04:36:24<+wesnoth-discord-> reverse with the undead. 20180130 04:36:58<+wesnoth-discord-> They are resistant to pierce, but crumble before impact. 20180130 04:37:14<+wesnoth-discord-> Just keep a close eye on those, and you'll win. 20180130 04:38:22<+wesnoth-discord-> okay ) 20180130 04:38:37<+wesnoth-discord-> Knalgans tend to have higher evade on specific territories as well 20180130 04:38:55<+wesnoth-discord-> you can situate them on mountains and they are difficult to dislodge 20180130 04:38:58<+wesnoth-discord-> Oh yeah. 20180130 04:39:11<+wesnoth-discord-> They move thru every terrain quite quick. 20180130 04:39:25<+wesnoth-discord-> most terrain 20180130 04:39:26<+wesnoth-discord-> not all 20180130 04:39:28<+wesnoth-discord-> Except water and swamps. 20180130 04:39:31<+wesnoth-discord-> Yeah. 20180130 04:39:33<+wesnoth-discord-> ah 20180130 04:39:58<+wesnoth-discord-> can't they just kind of deem those mountains irrelevant? maneuver around the mountains and force them to dislodge off the mountains if unit wants to fight? 20180130 04:40:07<+wesnoth-discord-> They're short, and so a creek to us is like a river to them. 20180130 04:40:12<+wesnoth-discord-> in terms of the opponent facing knalgans 20180130 04:40:27<+wesnoth-discord-> most maps were designed to make sure that you can't easily do that 20180130 04:40:31<+wesnoth-discord-> ah 20180130 04:40:38<+wesnoth-discord-> they also have human outlaw allies that have high evade 20180130 04:40:40<+wesnoth-discord-> Balance reasons. 20180130 04:41:18<+wesnoth-discord-> so that you can't just try to avoid them totally 20180130 04:41:31<+wesnoth-discord-> Same reason why I don't create a multiplayer map with lots of mountains and very few forest hexes. 20180130 04:42:05<+wesnoth-discord-> Shamans/Archers would get slaughtered. 20180130 04:42:09<+wesnoth-discord-> Doc and others built maps that started with this pattern 20180130 04:42:37<+wesnoth-discord-> clumps of terrain that allowed for decent defence 20180130 04:43:06<+wesnoth-discord-> Yeah. 20180130 04:43:25<+wesnoth-discord-> Don't wanna make your campaign unbalanced. 20180130 04:43:32<+wesnoth-discord-> (havent made one) 20180130 04:43:42<+wesnoth-discord-> Unless you want to 20180130 04:43:53<+wesnoth-discord-> Or are the dev of NR. 20180130 04:43:56<+wesnoth-discord-> XD 20180130 04:44:18<+wesnoth-discord-> Doc Did multiplayer maps 20180130 04:44:21<+wesnoth-discord-> yeah and if u have a map with 100% forest then the elves would slaughter everything xD 20180130 04:44:26<+wesnoth-discord-> ah 20180130 04:44:47<+wesnoth-discord-> he basically modified and rebalanced all of them of a specific generation 20180130 04:44:57<+wesnoth-discord-> Yeah. 20180130 04:45:03<+wesnoth-discord-> Oh, interesting. 20180130 04:45:25<+wesnoth-discord-> IMO, the best maps also have a good amount of rivers. 20180130 04:45:37<+wesnoth-discord-> For water strategies too. 20180130 04:47:45<+wesnoth-discord-> Allowing use of Nagas and Mermen 20180130 04:47:56<+wesnoth-discord-> Instead of them just not being used 20180130 04:48:06<+wesnoth-discord-> Because of all the land 20180130 04:50:49<+wesnoth-discord-> @Meta Mirage Know it might be a lot, but do you have any more questions? 20180130 05:04:23<+wesnoth-discord-> aha 20180130 05:05:52<+wesnoth-discord-> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/231976805987385345/407763317860466698/unknown.png 20180130 05:06:18<+wesnoth-discord-> Hmm, are there any maps that are notorious for favoring a specific faction/ 20180130 05:06:21<+wesnoth-discord-> like competitive maps? 20180130 05:07:46<+wesnoth-discord-> Hmm........ 20180130 05:08:17<+wesnoth-discord-> ........I can't think of any, but there might be some survival ones where you are supposed to play a faction. 20180130 05:10:14<+wesnoth-discord-> Yeah I can't think of any, sorry. 20180130 05:11:52<+wesnoth-discord-> @Meta Mirage Any other questions? I'll probably be able to answer a few before I finally decide to get some rest. 20180130 05:12:37<+wesnoth-discord-> ah 20180130 05:13:01<+wesnoth-discord-> Hmm, so the other guy Yumi or something like that 20180130 05:13:16<+wesnoth-discord-> yes Yumi, he/she said there is a tournament going on right now and that there are replays I could look at 20180130 05:13:20<+wesnoth-discord-> where would I go to look at replays? 20180130 05:14:44<+wesnoth-discord-> I don't know, sorry. I just mainly go thru the campaigns...again, and download addons that look interesting. 20180130 05:14:55<+wesnoth-discord-> I rarely go on the server. 20180130 05:15:20<+wesnoth-discord-> Only when I feel like getting crushed by people better than me. 20180130 05:16:30<+wesnoth-discord-> http://replays.wesnoth.org/ 20180130 05:16:34<+wesnoth-discord-> oh 20180130 05:16:44<+wesnoth-discord-> wow its that simple 20180130 05:17:07<+wesnoth-discord-> i should probably go to the server more often 20180130 05:17:10<+wesnoth-discord-> https://wiki.wesnoth.org/Replays 20180130 05:18:35<+wesnoth-discord-> @Not Hamel Any other questions? 20180130 05:18:38<+wesnoth-discord-> oops 20180130 05:18:44<+wesnoth-discord-> Im too tired 20180130 05:18:45<+wesnoth-discord-> XD 20180130 05:19:03<+wesnoth-discord-> @Meta Mirage Any other questions? 20180130 05:19:40<+wesnoth-discord-> I'll probably be able to answer one more before I get some rest. 20180130 05:20:23<+wesnoth-discord-> So I won't be as tired tomorrow. 20180130 05:21:34<+wesnoth-discord-> XD 20180130 05:34:05<+wesnoth-discord-> Well it's getting late here, and I don't want to be dead of tiredness tomorrow, so I'll be going now. XD 20180130 05:38:24-!- babyflakes [uid171740@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ntfricitpkrhbtxa] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 20180130 05:44:02<+wesnoth-discord-> See you later! Thank you for your hospitality. 20180130 05:44:50<+wesnoth-discord-> Welcome! 20180130 05:45:07<+wesnoth-discord-> See you later! 20180130 05:45:12<+wesnoth-discord-> 👋 20180130 06:16:10-!- Bonobo [~Bonobo@220-244-89-194.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 20180130 06:16:37-!- Bonobo [~Bonobo@220-244-89-194.tpgi.com.au] has joined #wesnoth 20180130 06:32:38-!- zookeeper [~lmsnie@wesnoth/developer/zookeeper] has joined #wesnoth 20180130 06:44:56-!- aeth [~Michael@wesnoth/umc-dev/developer/aethaeryn] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20180130 07:04:22<+wesnoth-discord-> @Meta Mirage I think you'll find that people will complain about every map down to a very minute level 20180130 07:04:52<+wesnoth-discord-> and further balancing can always be undertaken. 20180130 07:05:40<+wesnoth-discord-> but a lot of the consequences of that you probably wouldn't be aware of 20180130 07:34:02-!- aeth [~Michael@wesnoth/umc-dev/developer/aethaeryn] has joined #wesnoth 20180130 08:07:06-!- Haudegen [~quassel@178.115.237.87] has joined #wesnoth 20180130 08:45:05-!- babyflakes [uid171740@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ivdliyirztpyawwz] has joined #wesnoth 20180130 09:30:48-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180130 09:30:58-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth 20180130 10:56:12-!- vladimirslavik [vslavik@nat/redhat/x-pwfqismgpiwdktct] has joined #wesnoth 20180130 11:49:18-!- Haudegen [~quassel@178.115.237.87] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180130 13:43:05-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180130 13:43:11-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth 20180130 14:03:22-!- vslavik [vslavik@nat/redhat/x-cdbwkzontpteuevg] has joined #wesnoth 20180130 14:05:53-!- vladimirslavik [vslavik@nat/redhat/x-pwfqismgpiwdktct] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 20180130 14:34:11<+wesnoth-discord-> @Meta Mirage#1123 Well, I'm back now. I'll be available most of the day, though I'll still be quite busy at times. If you have any more questions, feel free to ask me again, and I'll try my best to help. 20180130 15:01:54-!- vslavik__ [vslavik@nat/redhat/x-pfeczewngicgcdye] has joined #wesnoth 20180130 15:03:25<+wesnoth-discord-> Huh. The tag didn't work. 20180130 15:03:32<+wesnoth-discord-> Weird. 20180130 15:04:05-!- vslavik [vslavik@nat/redhat/x-cdbwkzontpteuevg] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20180130 15:17:25-!- vslavik [vslavik@nat/redhat/x-wmtstkpfquiwcoqp] has joined #wesnoth 20180130 15:19:58-!- vslavik__ [vslavik@nat/redhat/x-pfeczewngicgcdye] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 20180130 15:42:23-!- vslavik__ [vslavik@nat/redhat/x-puthduoqqtdofcli] has joined #wesnoth 20180130 15:45:05-!- vslavik [vslavik@nat/redhat/x-wmtstkpfquiwcoqp] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 20180130 15:48:38<+wesnoth-discord-> Strange! 20180130 15:49:07<+wesnoth-discord-> Hmm, do you think its important to complete campaigns 20180130 15:49:23<+wesnoth-discord-> Yeah. 20180130 15:50:08<+wesnoth-discord-> Not necessary game-wise, but it can definitely help teach you some strategies. 20180130 15:50:46-!- Bonobo [~Bonobo@220-244-89-194.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 20180130 15:51:03<+wesnoth-discord-> Like LOW has large-scale battles, defensive battles, fog/shroud maps, saurian battles, and i think a few more. 20180130 15:53:14<+wesnoth-discord-> And NR can definitely improve your battle skills. The first scenario, you fight with level-0 peasants and woodsmen against L1 orcs with L2 and L3 leaders. 20180130 15:55:27<+wesnoth-discord-> Though, sometimes, I am playing thru campaigns and then get bored and get sidetracked. 20180130 15:55:33<+wesnoth-discord-> Ah 20180130 15:55:47<+wesnoth-discord-> which one is LOW whats that stand for 20180130 15:56:13<+wesnoth-discord-> Legend of wesmere? 20180130 15:56:31<+wesnoth-discord-> Legend of Wesmere. Elvish campaign, intermediate level. 3rd chronologically. 20180130 15:56:34<+wesnoth-discord-> Oh yep 20180130 15:56:38<+wesnoth-discord-> ah 20180130 15:57:04<+wesnoth-discord-> The first campaign that I have completed! 20180130 15:57:15<+wesnoth-discord-> Cool! 20180130 15:57:20<+wesnoth-discord-> :D 20180130 15:58:08<+wesnoth-discord-> I think the 1st one I finished was Liberty. 20180130 15:58:25<+wesnoth-discord-> Ah I think thats my third 20180130 15:58:38<+wesnoth-discord-> The author of liberty is a really good writer! 20180130 15:59:05<+wesnoth-discord-> Yeah. Definitely. 20180130 15:59:07<+wesnoth-discord-> Most of the scenarios are easy, and you have an ally in 6 of 8 scenarios. 20180130 15:59:22<+wesnoth-discord-> Only the last 3 were difficult for me. 20180130 15:59:32<+wesnoth-discord-> So, I managed to pass it. 20180130 15:59:46<+wesnoth-discord-> aha 20180130 16:01:09<+wesnoth-discord-> i completed Heir To The Throne, Liberty (long time ago though), Descent Into Darkness, the one with Erlonas (forgot the name) and i think one other but i forgot which 20180130 16:01:24<+wesnoth-discord-> i wanted to try out Under The Burning Suns but the second mission kicks my ass everytime i tried it 20180130 16:01:31<+wesnoth-discord-> both when i played the game a long time ago and now 20180130 16:01:33<+wesnoth-discord-> The one with Elornas is An Orcish Incursion. 20180130 16:01:35<+wesnoth-discord-> yeah 20180130 16:01:51<+wesnoth-discord-> i heard good stuff about UTBS which really makes me want to finish it but its just so hard lol 20180130 16:02:18<+wesnoth-discord-> fuck the thirst effect (just kidding, its a cool mechanic, even if it makes the campaign hard for me lol, and i did try the easiest difficulty btw) 20180130 16:02:29<+wesnoth-discord-> Yeah, when I got introduced to the game, a close friend who played thru all the campaigns on all the difficulties said UTBS was the hardest for him. 20180130 16:02:42<+wesnoth-discord-> Though personally, I find NR harder. 20180130 16:03:22<+wesnoth-discord-> Northern Rebirth from what ive seen is mostly hard just because you start out as peasants 20180130 16:03:45<+wesnoth-discord-> just pit some peasants against orcs (including Talin preferably so he's less prone to dying) and promote as much as you can 20180130 16:04:09<+wesnoth-discord-> i promoted Talin to Royal Guard ON THE VERY FIRST MISSION by pitting him against orcs constantly (and making sure he survives of course) 20180130 16:04:34<+wesnoth-discord-> First time I played it, I got crushed in the 2nd scenario with 3 sides of trolls from the East and West, and 2 undead sides from the North and South. 20180130 16:04:35<+wesnoth-discord-> so yea getting good tier units should be the focus for Northern Rebirth 20180130 16:05:04<+wesnoth-discord-> in UTBS however you start with good units (even an Elvish Captain), but then the thirst system kicks in and kicks your ass 20180130 16:05:27<+wesnoth-discord-> You just gotta keep formation and not ragequit. 20180130 16:05:35<+wesnoth-discord-> That's how I did it. 20180130 16:05:46<+wesnoth-discord-> i feel like another strategy may be to ignore some places 20180130 16:05:54<+wesnoth-discord-> Got pretty angry at times at the RNG tho. 20180130 16:05:54<+wesnoth-discord-> like the first oasis on the 2nd mission with the scorpions 20180130 16:06:06<+wesnoth-discord-> Yeah, but they have the ring. 20180130 16:06:08<+wesnoth-discord-> yea plus the undead units which are powerful as shit on UTBS from what ive seen 20180130 16:06:27<+wesnoth-discord-> and the ghosts at night, fuck them 20180130 16:07:02<+wesnoth-discord-> It can be very difficult. 20180130 16:07:21<+wesnoth-discord-> yea i keep wanting to try it out constantly at times though because i know im missing something good 20180130 16:08:15<+wesnoth-discord-> i had problems with Descent Into Darkness on the 4th or 5th mission (the one with 2 orcs fighting and where you need to get Malin to a signpost) a long time ago but i recently finished the campaign 20180130 16:08:30<+wesnoth-discord-> and apart from the cliffhanger ending i liked it overall 20180130 16:08:42<+wesnoth-discord-> It's not my favorite, personally, tho I did see a poll a while back where people voted on their favorite campaign (besides HTTT of course) and UTBS got about 20% of the votes. 20180130 16:08:49<+wesnoth-discord-> It is pretty unique. 20180130 16:09:02<+wesnoth-discord-> i also play a campaign that uses the thirst mechanic in one mission (fan-made btw) 20180130 16:09:13<+wesnoth-discord-> the 4th one i think 20180130 16:09:22<+wesnoth-discord-> unlike UTBS however you have access to undead units to help with that 20180130 16:09:44<+wesnoth-discord-> (both elves and undead but why not pick undead seeing how they're immune to thirst) 20180130 16:10:14<+wesnoth-discord-> plus starting with that mission you get an OP undead hero who can singlehandedly wipe the floor with a good amount of enemies 20180130 16:10:48<+wesnoth-discord-> I know that campaign, i think. 20180130 16:10:53<+wesnoth-discord-> Invasion From The Unknown 20180130 16:10:55<+wesnoth-discord-> Can't remember the name. 20180130 16:11:16<+wesnoth-discord-> Oh. I could just remember After the Storm's name (the sequel) 20180130 16:11:42<+wesnoth-discord-> its a fan-made sequel to Under the Burning Suns (havent seen what parts from it uses though, havent got far enough to find what exactly) and Descent Into Darkness (because Malin Keshar appears in it) 20180130 16:11:52<+wesnoth-discord-> and yes i was talking about Malin when i said OP undead hero 20180130 16:11:58<+wesnoth-discord-> Oh ok. 20180130 16:12:01<+wesnoth-discord-> (Ancient Lich to be exact) 20180130 16:12:20<+wesnoth-discord-> so far it's not bad, i like Malin's new sarcastic personality 20180130 16:12:34<+wesnoth-discord-> IMO, my favorite add-on campaign was Return From the Abyss. 20180130 16:12:37<+wesnoth-discord-> ah 20180130 16:12:39<+wesnoth-discord-> can you explain it for me 20180130 16:12:42<+wesnoth-discord-> i may try it out 20180130 16:12:42<+wesnoth-discord-> It's pretty hard. 20180130 16:12:50<+wesnoth-discord-> i am interested in add-on campaigns 20180130 16:14:42<+wesnoth-discord-> You start out as Khalifate, in the middle of a campaign against the Elves. They have surrounded your camp, and you can't beat them with your forces. The camp is in the middle of the map, with you and a friendly AI, and there are 4 elvish sides surrounding it. You need to flee into a cave to the East to survive. 20180130 16:15:48<+wesnoth-discord-> There, you make a pact with some Dwarves, your new allies, who you are now working for, though you want to get to the surface again. 20180130 16:16:20<+wesnoth-discord-> You slowly work your way out thru a pact with another race. 20180130 16:16:51<+wesnoth-discord-> That's all I can say without spoiling anything that isn't in the first 2 scenarios. 20180130 16:17:30<+wesnoth-discord-> k 20180130 16:17:31<+wesnoth-discord-> any others? 20180130 16:17:37<+wesnoth-discord-> im not a fan of Khalifate as a faction 20180130 16:17:44<+wesnoth-discord-> im more of an Undead guy 20180130 16:17:53<+wesnoth-discord-> or Human i guess 20180130 16:17:55<+wesnoth-discord-> Oh. 20180130 16:18:08<+wesnoth-discord-> i dont mind Elves or Orcs tho 20180130 16:18:10< Ravana_> https://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?p=603328#p603328 20180130 16:18:11<+wesnoth-discord-> Dwarves...eh 20180130 16:18:16<+wesnoth-discord-> dafuq 20180130 16:18:25<+wesnoth-discord-> Other than Knalgans and Orcs, it's my favorite faction to play. 20180130 16:18:32<+wesnoth-discord-> Just the uniqueness. 20180130 16:18:43<+wesnoth-discord-> And the Arif line is pretty good. 20180130 16:19:02<+wesnoth-discord-> ah 20180130 16:19:12<+wesnoth-discord-> What's the link to? 20180130 16:19:29<+wesnoth-discord-> to what 20180130 16:19:31<+wesnoth-discord-> oh 20180130 16:19:32<+wesnoth-discord-> that 20180130 16:19:33<+wesnoth-discord-> idk either 20180130 16:19:37<+wesnoth-discord-> it just posted at random 20180130 16:20:00<+wesnoth-discord-> (I'm away from home. There are internet blockers here, so I can't access it.) 20180130 16:20:14<+wesnoth-discord-> I'll just try google as a proxy. 20180130 16:21:03< Ravana_> results of last campaign popularity 20180130 16:21:12<+wesnoth-discord-> oh ok. 20180130 16:21:22<+wesnoth-discord-> What were the results? 20180130 16:21:33<+wesnoth-discord-> (again, internet blockers here) 20180130 16:21:34< Ravana_> yes, I just posted that 20180130 16:22:11<+wesnoth-discord-> meh just fucking inore it 20180130 16:22:12<+wesnoth-discord-> *ignore 20180130 16:22:13<+wesnoth-discord-> Okay. 20180130 16:22:14<+wesnoth-discord-> must be a faulty bot 20180130 16:22:25<+wesnoth-discord-> It's not really a bot. 20180130 16:22:50<+wesnoth-discord-> It connects to the IRC website, and so they can chat from the Wesnoth website to here. 20180130 16:23:12<+wesnoth-discord-> oh 20180130 16:23:18<+wesnoth-discord-> So, the users of IRC can join in the discussion here. 20180130 16:23:22<+wesnoth-discord-> my bad 20180130 16:24:46<+wesnoth-discord-> @VYNLT Return From The Abyss also has an interesting feature that limits you to only recruiting 100 units total if more than that die, too bad. 20180130 16:25:12<+wesnoth-discord-> Ahh yes. 20180130 16:25:20<+wesnoth-discord-> Forgot about that. 20180130 16:25:22<+wesnoth-discord-> oh? 20180130 16:25:25<+wesnoth-discord-> interesting 20180130 16:25:27<+wesnoth-discord-> Yeah. 20180130 16:26:14<+wesnoth-discord-> I'd say it's an Expert level campaign, but I suck at categorizing things, so I may not be the best for that. 20180130 16:26:19<+wesnoth-discord-> k 20180130 16:26:54<+wesnoth-discord-> Which is a bit ironic to me, because I often like to plan things out fully, which involves categorizing. 20180130 16:27:04<+wesnoth-discord-> Plus the writing is good. Dwarves and Dune folk having deep philosophical discussions. 20180130 16:27:24<+wesnoth-discord-> Have you beaten it yet? 20180130 16:27:25<+wesnoth-discord-> i like good writing in campaigns, philosophies, emotional bonds, etc 20180130 16:27:34<+wesnoth-discord-> that's what i like, interesting characters with meaningful bonds 20180130 16:27:38<+wesnoth-discord-> @Not Hamel Not yet. 20180130 16:27:41<+wesnoth-discord-> Okay. 20180130 16:27:59<+wesnoth-discord-> any campaign that offers that/ 20180130 16:28:15<+wesnoth-discord-> Just wondering since last we talked about it, it was in November or early December. 20180130 16:28:43<+wesnoth-discord-> @Not Hamel Trying to beat part 2 of Bad Moon Rising. 20180130 16:29:07<+wesnoth-discord-> any suggestions? 20180130 16:29:09<+wesnoth-discord-> for campaigns with interesting characters and meaningful bonds 20180130 16:29:13<+wesnoth-discord-> Okay. 20180130 16:29:14<+wesnoth-discord-> Anyone know the go-to Ukian faction strategy? Spam dogs? 20180130 16:29:23<+wesnoth-discord-> @VYNLT A New Order 20180130 16:29:25<+wesnoth-discord-> Ukian? 20180130 16:29:50<+wesnoth-discord-> explain? 20180130 16:29:53<+wesnoth-discord-> i dont mind spoilers 20180130 16:29:59<+wesnoth-discord-> you can dm if you dont want to spoil others 20180130 16:30:08<+wesnoth-discord-> Okay. 20180130 16:30:39<+wesnoth-discord-> @Not Hamel A faction in Archaic era. They're basically a northern/snow variant of loyalists sort of. 20180130 16:30:44<+wesnoth-discord-> Oh ok. 20180130 16:31:14<+wesnoth-discord-> Been busy lately, so I've been unable to play. 20180130 16:31:32< Ravana_> not sure how they are in archaic, but regulars and fighters should be quite effective 20180130 16:31:55< Ravana_> especially northern ranger 20180130 16:32:10<+wesnoth-discord-> @VYNLT hard to explain. Reminds me a bit of Game of Thrones. Lots of politics, civil war, characters with shifty motives, scheming. 20180130 16:32:23<+wesnoth-discord-> I was and am terrible at BMR 20180130 16:32:26<+wesnoth-discord-> hmm 20180130 16:32:27<+wesnoth-discord-> ok 20180130 16:32:28<+wesnoth-discord-> But my strategy was to rush 20180130 16:32:35<+wesnoth-discord-> Then try to break enemy formation 20180130 16:32:36<+wesnoth-discord-> Dog spam seems effective. XD 20180130 16:32:51<+wesnoth-discord-> Never seen an episode of GoT, but I know what it's like. 20180130 16:32:58<+wesnoth-discord-> Dogs and runners in front, everyone else at the back 20180130 16:33:08<+wesnoth-discord-> Especially paired with some runners yeah. 20180130 16:33:37<+wesnoth-discord-> Veteran spears are good, just wish they had a tier 3 for campaigns. 20180130 16:34:41<+wesnoth-discord-> Actually all Ukiah spear promotes are good. Flare men are durable and fire damage is nice, and commanders are decent too. 20180130 16:35:57<+wesnoth-discord-> So, I was wondering, is there any canon lore for the Khalifs/Dunfolk? 20180130 16:36:26<+wesnoth-discord-> @Not Hamel They live in the south, don't like magic and like deserts. 20180130 16:36:49<+wesnoth-discord-> Oh. That's it? 20180130 16:37:28<+wesnoth-discord-> @Not Hamel also what you can glean from unit descriptions. 20180130 16:37:37<+wesnoth-discord-> Oh, yeah. 20180130 16:38:06< zookeeper> nothing that's officially set in stone as canon, yet. but it's finally actively being worked on now. 20180130 16:39:19<+wesnoth-discord-> Okay. It's one of the game's most unique factions, and pretty original of an idea for a fantasy game, IMO. I just wanted to see what we knew about them. 20180130 16:39:35<+wesnoth-discord-> They're a cultured, craftsmanship oriented faction. They seem scientifically oriented almost. Their healers, naphtha etc. The arif line with their melee marksman makes me think they have formal martial arts and such for the sword. 20180130 16:40:52<+wesnoth-discord-> The most confusing/perplexing thing to me is if they are descendents of Haldric, were there before, just never seen, or newer to Irdya. 20180130 16:41:54<+wesnoth-discord-> Like, are they as ancient of a race to Irdya as the Elves/Dwarves, or newer, like the Drakes? 20180130 16:42:39<+wesnoth-discord-> Most conceptions of them have had them being just another ethnicity of human. Like Wesfolk are. 20180130 16:42:51<+wesnoth-discord-> Okay. 20180130 16:43:23< Soliton> zookeeper: ^ above it sounded like utbs an easy is too difficult, specifically the dehydration scenario. perhaps the dehydration mechanic can be weakened on easy... 20180130 16:45:14<+wesnoth-discord-> I honestly think the thirst mechanism could be used more, but I'm a sadist. XD 20180130 16:45:22<+wesnoth-discord-> This may be a weird question to ask about a purely fictional game, but do they have the same qualities as Earth, relative to the Moon and Sun? Like, are their days longer/shorter, or the same? 20180130 16:45:34<+wesnoth-discord-> Maybe I'm just overthinking this. 20180130 16:45:36< zookeeper> Soliton, depends on how old a version they were playing on, really... 20180130 16:46:16<+wesnoth-discord-> I think days are the same length before the fall. Longer periods of time I don't know. 20180130 16:46:21<+wesnoth-discord-> hmm I wonder what the hardest campaign is 20180130 16:46:26<+wesnoth-discord-> Okay. 20180130 16:46:42< Soliton> i think the mechanic has rather gotten less forgiving in newer versions? 20180130 16:46:45<+wesnoth-discord-> I think I'm just getting too far into this. 20180130 16:46:46<+wesnoth-discord-> XD 20180130 16:47:59<+wesnoth-discord-> I'm wondering how daily life works after the fall. Do people take a nap during the short dark? 20180130 16:48:05<+wesnoth-discord-> XD 20180130 16:49:04<+wesnoth-discord-> Maybe they sleep in cycles. 20180130 16:49:33<+wesnoth-discord-> Just sleep when you can't see the suns. 20180130 16:49:35<+wesnoth-discord-> XD 20180130 16:50:17<+wesnoth-discord-> Don't sleep ever. Or you'll be eaten by a giant scorpion 20180130 16:51:02<+wesnoth-discord-> XD 20180130 16:51:21<+wesnoth-discord-> True, since everything is now a huge desert. 20180130 16:51:39<+wesnoth-discord-> Besides the Dwarves. Almost nothing changed for them. 20180130 16:52:50<+wesnoth-discord-> "Looks like the surface dwellers are going through a few problems now." 20180130 16:53:06<+wesnoth-discord-> "Good thing we don't live there." 20180130 16:53:39<+wesnoth-discord-> Besides trade relationships. 20180130 16:53:44<+wesnoth-discord-> And Dwarven Doors. 20180130 16:54:06<+wesnoth-discord-> And Dwarves who live outside of the caves. 20180130 16:54:36<+wesnoth-discord-> So, I was wondering, is Weldyn or Elensefar larger/more populous? Realistically, Elensefar would have to be quite strong to fight against literally the all the rest of the kingdom and be able to claim independence more than once. 20180130 16:57:55< zookeeper> unstated, but i'd very much expect weldyn to be larger. 20180130 16:58:29<+wesnoth-discord-> Okay. 20180130 16:58:56<+wesnoth-discord-> I'm just wondering, because, it's not a good idea to claim independence when your city can't even hold its own against orcs, as well as some possible battles with the surrounding cities. I think canonically, it's only fallen twice. Each time to orcs. And Weldyn almost fell twice (I think), but because of protagonist power, it survived. 20180130 16:59:35<+wesnoth-discord-> So, Elensefar would have to be pretty strong, also since it is right next to the northern border. 20180130 17:00:22<+wesnoth-discord-> Again, maybe I'm just overthinking this. 20180130 17:01:35<+wesnoth-discord-> Yeah, Weldyn is probably larger. 20180130 17:06:48<+wesnoth-discord-> Though, I really do like this game. The lore is excellent, and the whole political situation in the first four campaigns chronologically is great. It portrays each race, with their flaws and good qualities, better than any other game I can think of. People can also create their own mods/campaigns easily, and put them on the add-on server. I think I just am asking a lot of questions because of how excellent of a game it is. 20180130 17:08:08< zookeeper> perhaps one could say that most of wesnoth's army is needed defensively (again, orcs etc), so most of the time they can't amass huge armies for offense, so even a smaller city-state like elensefar can conceivably hold them off. just don't think too much about how orcs manage to always take it anyway. 20180130 17:08:38<+wesnoth-discord-> mhm 20180130 17:09:06<+wesnoth-discord-> Oh, yeah. 20180130 17:10:05<+wesnoth-discord-> I like the new desert elf designs. The fighter line wears giant scorpion armor. XD 20180130 17:10:11<+wesnoth-discord-> I've always seen it as one of the 3 major cities, with Weldyn and Dan 'Tonk (canonically the most populous city), and a rival of Weldyn. 20180130 17:10:56<+wesnoth-discord-> wait, where? 20180130 17:10:59<+wesnoth-discord-> a new patch/ 20180130 17:11:02<+wesnoth-discord-> ? 20180130 17:11:05< zookeeper> yeah, i'd expect it to be the third most populous city. 20180130 17:11:10<+wesnoth-discord-> 1.13 20180130 17:11:13<+wesnoth-discord-> i tend to use stable versions 20180130 17:11:19<+wesnoth-discord-> Same here. 20180130 17:11:56<+wesnoth-discord-> I've always seen it as the largest threat as a large-scale civil war. 20180130 17:12:14<+wesnoth-discord-> https://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?t=44802&p=604858. This thread @VYNLT 20180130 17:12:45<+wesnoth-discord-> It's far away from the Eastern Cities, and it could probably gain support easily from Carcyn/Aldril. 20180130 17:13:02<+wesnoth-discord-> Though, those are smaller cities. 20180130 17:14:32<+wesnoth-discord-> @VYNLT you'd have to play 1.13.6 or look at the unit database to actually see the new units though. 20180130 17:14:47<+wesnoth-discord-> I've seen them a couple times. 20180130 17:14:57<+wesnoth-discord-> They're pretty interesting. 20180130 17:15:04<+wesnoth-discord-> There are newer 1.13 releases. Newest being 1.13.10. 20180130 17:15:13<+wesnoth-discord-> Yeah. 20180130 17:15:37<+wesnoth-discord-> @jyrkive I use 1.13.6 because it's the first version with them. 20180130 17:15:42<+wesnoth-discord-> Thank you though. 20180130 17:15:51< zookeeper> the _portraits_ for the new desert elves aren't in the game yet though, but you can see some of them in this thread: https://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=43175&start=60 (that page specifically has a lot of them) 20180130 17:16:36<+wesnoth-discord-> I personally play 1.12, for I believe it is the stable release. (Also because I have some arachnophobia, and the new Giant Spider portraits trigger it quite easily) 20180130 17:16:57<+wesnoth-discord-> oh 20180130 17:17:00<+wesnoth-discord-> theres a new portrait 20180130 17:17:00<+wesnoth-discord-> well 20180130 17:17:06<+wesnoth-discord-> Yes, 1.12 releases are stable. 1.13 is development releases. 20180130 17:17:06<+wesnoth-discord-> Though 1.13 is looking quite good, from what I last saw. 20180130 17:17:07<+wesnoth-discord-> im arachnophobic but...whatever 20180130 17:17:08<+wesnoth-discord-> post it 20180130 17:17:39<+wesnoth-discord-> Do the new desert fighter line use spears? 20180130 17:17:53<+wesnoth-discord-> I think so. 20180130 17:17:56<+wesnoth-discord-> Been a while. 20180130 17:18:08< zookeeper> yes, spears. 20180130 17:18:32< zookeeper> @Not Hamel, does it bother you that it looks like it's walking on your screen? 20180130 17:18:35-!- vultraz [uid24821@wesnoth/developer/vultraz] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 20180130 17:18:47<+wesnoth-discord-> The portrait? 20180130 17:18:52< zookeeper> yeah 20180130 17:18:57<+wesnoth-discord-> Not really. 20180130 17:19:21<+wesnoth-discord-> what portrait 20180130 17:19:24<+wesnoth-discord-> It didn't seem that way to me. 20180130 17:19:30< zookeeper> oh, okay. i thought maybe that's what does it. 20180130 17:19:36<+wesnoth-discord-> ? 20180130 17:19:38<+wesnoth-discord-> Okay. 20180130 17:19:46<+wesnoth-discord-> The Giant Spider one. 20180130 17:19:47<+wesnoth-discord-> oh. 20180130 17:20:02<+wesnoth-discord-> You can find it with a quick google search. 20180130 17:20:17<+wesnoth-discord-> Something like "Giant Spider Wesnoth" 20180130 17:20:43<+wesnoth-discord-> https://units.wesnoth.org/trunk/mainline/en_US/mainline.html is this good enough? 20180130 17:20:57<+wesnoth-discord-> yea nvm i saw it 20180130 17:21:11<+wesnoth-discord-> Just tiggers it. 20180130 17:21:44<+wesnoth-discord-> Reminds me of when over the holidays, I woke up to see a black widow right near my window. 20180130 17:22:13<+wesnoth-discord-> im arachnophobic soo that creeps me out 20180130 17:22:18<+wesnoth-discord-> Oh ok. 20180130 17:23:16<+wesnoth-discord-> On a different note, I was wondering how the Ka'lian works. 20180130 17:23:38<+wesnoth-discord-> what 20180130 17:23:40<+wesnoth-discord-> Like, does it rule over all the elves, or just the Wesmere ones? 20180130 17:24:02<+wesnoth-discord-> The Council of Elvish Lords. 20180130 17:24:07<+wesnoth-discord-> k 20180130 17:24:25<+wesnoth-discord-> And are they elected or chosen by a quality? 20180130 17:25:23<+wesnoth-discord-> Like magic. 20180130 17:28:15<+wesnoth-discord-> Is there canon information on them? 20180130 17:29:27<+wesnoth-discord-> Nevermind, I'm just overthinking this....again. 20180130 17:34:36< zookeeper> perhaps you'd enjoy writing campaigns? :p 20180130 17:34:58<+wesnoth-discord-> Maybe. 20180130 17:35:36<+wesnoth-discord-> I can be very productive sometimes, but the other half of the time, I'm quite lazy. 20180130 17:36:12<+wesnoth-discord-> Maybe when I have time for it. 20180130 17:37:26-!- Amany [~gaspar@aip141.rev.netart.pl] has left #wesnoth [] 20180130 17:37:35-!- Amany [~gaspar@aip141.rev.netart.pl] has joined #wesnoth 20180130 17:38:07<+wesnoth-discord-> I'm in a similar situation with a trilogy. 20180130 17:39:03<+wesnoth-discord-> I've completely planned out a 3 part trilogy, but when I start again, it seems I can never get around to continuing it. 20180130 17:39:50<+wesnoth-discord-> Sometimes I'm just busy, and other times I'm just being lazy. 20180130 17:40:36< Amany> trilogy of what? 20180130 17:41:23<+wesnoth-discord-> Fiction. Best way I can describe it is a fantasy/action/revenge/semi-political story. 20180130 17:43:11< Amany> u mean u're writing it?;-) 20180130 17:43:30<+wesnoth-discord-> if you're going to do it 20180130 17:43:38<+wesnoth-discord-> a good way is to set yourself deadlines 20180130 17:44:03<+wesnoth-discord-> if you release scenarios serially, put your deadlines in a thread where people can see it, and then you won't have excuses to be lazy 😄 20180130 17:44:10< Amany> yeh, deadlines are always good, for any kind of projects :) 20180130 17:45:03<+wesnoth-discord-> Yeah. I'm writing it. 20180130 17:45:10<+wesnoth-discord-> I should start deadlines. 20180130 17:46:12<+wesnoth-discord-> don't be like me and do things randomly 20180130 17:46:35<+wesnoth-discord-> and not playtest things well enough and find out there are nasty bugs later 20180130 17:47:26<+wesnoth-discord-> It's not a campaign, it's a novel trilogy. 20180130 17:47:35< Amany> gl then!:) 20180130 17:47:36<+wesnoth-discord-> But thanks for the advice. 20180130 17:47:51<+wesnoth-discord-> I've planned it dry, I just need to get it out. 20180130 17:48:19<+wesnoth-discord-> then deadlines are still important 20180130 17:48:59<+wesnoth-discord-> what's it about? 20180130 17:49:31<+wesnoth-discord-> Well, I don't wanna post it on the internet. People can steal my idea, and finish it before I do. 20180130 17:50:24<+wesnoth-discord-> sure 20180130 17:52:04<+wesnoth-discord-> Just a basic idea: A trilogy focused on four different nations, each very different, with magic systems, and differing governments. The trilogy follows characters thru their eyes at different parts of the timeline. They experience wars and combat, treachery and revenge. 20180130 17:52:55<+wesnoth-discord-> ive been thinking of a trilogy as well 20180130 17:53:03<+wesnoth-discord-> but focused on brand new factions outside of the BFW univese 20180130 17:53:07<+wesnoth-discord-> and on 2 characters 20180130 17:53:28<+wesnoth-discord-> (or maybe more) 20180130 17:53:30<+wesnoth-discord-> okay. 20180130 17:53:35<+wesnoth-discord-> ive already finished a map 20180130 17:54:19<+wesnoth-discord-> Cool. 20180130 17:54:28<+wesnoth-discord-> I can't do that well. 20180130 17:54:57<+wesnoth-discord-> Last I tried, the continent ended up looking like a mountainous sock. 20180130 17:55:09<+wesnoth-discord-> (for the trilogy) 20180130 17:56:30<+wesnoth-discord-> I have a general idea, I just don't want it to look like a sock. 20180130 17:57:06<+wesnoth-discord-> Question: Are there specific tags where I can't use [variable] or should I be able to declare those everywhere? 20180130 17:57:59< Ravana_> there are specific tags where you can use it rather 20180130 18:00:26< Ravana_> it is condition tag, so while and if and meta condition tags should be only default ones 20180130 18:01:58<+wesnoth-discord-> I meant [set_variable], in fact. I want to store the amount of gold from a side inside of the [side] tag (so many sides...) to be able to do some math with it. 20180130 18:02:32< Ravana_> then as actionwml, it needs to be in tag where actionwml is evaluated, like event 20180130 18:07:08<+wesnoth-discord-> when does the [side] tag gets evaluated? before the prestart event? 20180130 18:09:45< Ravana_> I expect before preload even 20180130 18:10:09<+wesnoth-discord-> Alright, thank you. 20180130 18:10:18< Ravana_> if that would matter, then you should test it out 20180130 18:14:29< Soliton> sounds to me like you want to use [store_gold] in some event. 20180130 18:18:45<+wesnoth-discord-> @Bitron [set_variable] is just ActionWML See https://wiki.wesnoth.org/ActionWML "Where ActionWML can be used" 20180130 18:20:19<+wesnoth-discord-> I want to write a macro that takes the gold values for easy/medium/hard and if multiplayer is not defined, it should double the values. (for hyprid campaign purposes) #ifndef MULTIPLAYER gold = {E} * 2 #endif would be nice, but apparently I can't assign operations to a variable. At least not in this case. 20180130 18:20:31< Ravana_> that link points to wesnoth.register_wml_action which seems to be gone 20180130 18:22:47< Soliton> and you want those gold values used in the game creation screen? 20180130 18:23:23<+wesnoth-discord-> I just want it to work. ^^ 20180130 18:23:45< Soliton> i suppose you can set the proper values for mp. and for sp you can adjust stuff in the prestart event or so. 20180130 18:23:54<+wesnoth-discord-> I think you need to do something like 20180130 18:24:16< Soliton> well, you have to explain how you want it to work for people to help you make it so. 20180130 18:24:27<+wesnoth-discord-> Ravana_: oh? that's weird. I'm not really keeping myself informed with Lua developments though. 20180130 18:24:57< Soliton> your description sounds like you want to do the math in the preprocessor which i don't think can be done. 20180130 18:25:22<+wesnoth-discord-> gold=VALUE #ifndef MULTIPLAYER {VARIABLE_OP gold mult 2} #endif 20180130 18:25:32<+wesnoth-discord-> if you're doing it in WML 20180130 18:25:40< Soliton> in what tag? 20180130 18:25:44<+wesnoth-discord-> you cannot assign values to variables via operations 20180130 18:26:08<+wesnoth-discord-> but that might not wor because VARIABLE_OP might need to be in an action WML 20180130 18:26:09<+wesnoth-discord-> work 20180130 18:26:17<+wesnoth-discord-> 🤔 20180130 18:26:47<+wesnoth-discord-> I would like to use it just like the {GOLD} macro, Only that it automatically doubles the given values in case it is played in Singleplayer. 20180130 18:27:51< Soliton> if you can live with doing the math yourself you can use the proprocessor and just set different values based on #ifdef MULTIPLAYER. 20180130 18:28:07< Soliton> that's what the GOLD macro does. 20180130 18:28:50<+wesnoth-discord-> I don't know if it's possible to do operations in preprocessor definitions, that's the thing 20180130 18:29:24<+wesnoth-discord-> maybe if you used lua 20180130 18:29:37<+wesnoth-discord-> well 20180130 18:30:01< zookeeper> yeah, just do it by hand via #ifdef's instead of actual conditional multiplication. 20180130 18:30:27< Soliton> not sure where WFL is available. that could be another possibility. 20180130 18:30:34< Ravana_> Lua and preprocessor don't really work together 20180130 18:30:47<+wesnoth-discord-> yeah I was just thinking that... 20180130 18:32:06<+wesnoth-discord-> Well, alright. I guess I'll just forget about it. 20180130 18:32:17< Soliton> that's the spirit! 20180130 18:33:54<+wesnoth-discord-> I mean I will forget the automatic calculation and pass in the values for singleplayer to the macro as well. 20180130 18:33:55<+wesnoth-discord-> okay I thought of a pretty hacky solution that might work 20180130 18:34:13-!- vslavik__ [vslavik@nat/redhat/x-puthduoqqtdofcli] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20180130 18:34:16<+wesnoth-discord-> Though, I still have an open ear for that. 20180130 18:34:24<+wesnoth-discord-> you can define an event that activates only on multiplayer or singleplayer 20180130 18:34:45<+wesnoth-discord-> that does the .multiplication for you 20180130 18:35:38<+wesnoth-discord-> that's probably would I would do... use an event. variables and formulas don't work in SideWML afaik 20180130 18:36:30< Soliton> you cannot use an event for mp though if you want the correct values in the game creation screen. for sp that's not an issue though, i think. 20180130 18:37:30< Soliton> assuming this is a campaign. 20180130 18:39:14<+wesnoth-discord-> sure so it would be an event activated only for singleplayer mode 20180130 18:39:26<+wesnoth-discord-> and nothing happens for MP 20180130 18:44:08<+wesnoth-discord-> #define VOAS_GOLD H1 H2 M1 M2 H1 H2 #ifndef MULTIPLAYER {GOLD {E1} {M1} {H1}} #else {GOLD {E2} {M2} {H2}} #endif #enddef I just thought I could just take the amount for MP and in case of SP it somehow doubles the amount to prevent having it so much parameter. That way it works as well. 20180130 18:44:50<+wesnoth-discord-> sure that would work 20180130 18:45:12< zookeeper> well i mean sure you can just have a prestart event that doubles the gold in SP. 20180130 18:48:17<+wesnoth-discord-> does it take operations in this case? That would make things much easier. 20180130 18:48:22-!- docteurlinux [~jordy-jor@160.154.136.168] has joined #wesnoth 20180130 18:48:52-!- docteurlinux [~jordy-jor@160.154.136.168] has left #wesnoth [] 20180130 18:49:25<+wesnoth-discord-> yes, then you can use store_gold and variable_op 20180130 18:54:08<+wesnoth-discord-> It's a campaign with more than one scenario. I assume this would double not only the minimum gold but the entire gold (with carry over) of the player, aye? 20180130 18:55:56<+wesnoth-discord-> oho, that could cause some double trouble. 20180130 18:57:01<+wesnoth-discord-> maybe you can get around that if it's possible to define a variable in preprocessor directives 20180130 18:57:33<+wesnoth-discord-> indeed, you could do that 20180130 18:58:02<+wesnoth-discord-> My head hurts. 😅 20180130 18:58:34<+wesnoth-discord-> sorry 😬 20180130 18:59:16<+wesnoth-discord-> all that work to save a tiny bit of typing and computation. but thats what programmers love right? 20180130 19:00:06< Soliton> think of all the future generations of scenario writers for this campaign that will not have to double the gold by hand! 20180130 19:00:10<+wesnoth-discord-> exactly 😂 20180130 19:00:58<+wesnoth-discord-> also a sense of accomplishment in getting it to work 20180130 19:03:10< zookeeper> or maybe you could simply set the side starting gold to 0 and do all the gold math in the event. in fact, you could do... give me a moment, i guess i started to find this slightly interesting... 20180130 19:04:13<+wesnoth-discord-> Now magic is happening. 20180130 19:04:50< zookeeper> does #ifdef even work in #define? i can't remember. 20180130 19:06:07<+wesnoth-discord-> #define in #ifdef works, so I assume it's the same if switched. 20180130 19:06:54< zookeeper> ah, no i think it's only #define in #ifdef which works. 20180130 19:07:04< zookeeper> well, doesn't matter... 20180130 19:08:24<+wesnoth-discord-> I do have it and it seemed to work so far. Except for that gold matter, but that seems to be because I used variables in the [side] tag 20180130 19:08:24< Soliton> GOLD f.e. uses #ifdef. 20180130 19:08:42<+wesnoth-discord-> and that. 20180130 19:09:14< zookeeper> true enough 20180130 19:09:16< Soliton> or rather the QUANTITY macro does nowadays. 20180130 19:10:24< zookeeper> @Bitron, will this always be used only for side 1? 20180130 19:12:26<+wesnoth-discord-> It is a two player campaign. If played in singleplayer, side 1 takes over all units of side 2. That's when it should take the gold of side 2 as well, so to speak. So I assume only for side 1, yes. 20180130 19:15:26< zookeeper> okay 20180130 19:19:58< zookeeper> so... in MP the side just gets normal carryover + the given starting gold normally, but in SP the starting gold is doubled? 20180130 19:20:15< zookeeper> (with normal carryover on top of it, of course) 20180130 19:20:23<+wesnoth-discord-> question, anyone knows a good hi-res-like pack for the game? 20180130 19:20:31<+wesnoth-discord-> specifically sprites 20180130 19:20:44<+wesnoth-discord-> since the rest looks good enough, the sprites, while also good, i do wonder if there are attempts to add more detail to them 20180130 19:20:54-!- Jordys [~jordy-jor@160.154.136.168] has joined #wesnoth 20180130 19:21:02< zookeeper> no, that's just the level of detail they have. 20180130 19:21:06<+wesnoth-discord-> k 20180130 19:21:19<+wesnoth-discord-> @zookeeper yes. 20180130 19:21:43< zookeeper> ok, maybe this would work then? :x https://paste.ee/p/ztBnm 20180130 19:22:33< zookeeper> completely untested, and of course will only work in a [side] tag. 20180130 19:22:42< zookeeper> s/will/would 20180130 19:23:30<+wesnoth-discord-> give me a sec, I'll test it. 20180130 19:30:51<+wesnoth-discord-> it seems to work. Very well, thank you. 20180130 19:38:22-!- claymore [~claymore@unaffiliated/claymore] has joined #wesnoth 20180130 19:43:22-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180130 19:43:30-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth 20180130 20:01:32-!- claymore [~claymore@unaffiliated/claymore] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20180130 20:10:46< zookeeper> great 20180130 20:46:58-!- Tecraus [~we@2a02:2149:881b:ef00:c4e4:f579:86dc:433e] has joined #wesnoth 20180130 20:48:22< Tecraus> Hi. Can a .gz be tranfered via facebook messenger? 20180130 20:48:55< Soliton> if you can send arbitrary files with it, sure. 20180130 20:51:43< Tecraus> It gives me the message "make sure you're uploading a valid file" 20180130 20:55:01< Soliton> a quick search suggests you cannot send arbitrary files with facebook messenger. 20180130 21:00:45< Tecraus> what solution you'd suggest? 20180130 21:02:23< Soliton> use some other file sharing service, perhaps dropbox. 20180130 21:03:12< Tecraus> compressing it won't work? 20180130 21:03:28< DeFender1031> what does this have to do with wesnoth? 20180130 21:03:29< Soliton> it's already compressed. 20180130 21:03:44< Soliton> i assume it's about a savefile. 20180130 21:03:46< DeFender1031> ah 20180130 21:04:18< Soliton> if it's not too big you could also mail it. 20180130 21:04:40-!- Haudegen [~quassel@178.115.237.87] has joined #wesnoth 20180130 21:07:22< Tecraus> I need to send a replay to someone, DeFennder1031. She apparently never pressed the button "end scenario" and now she is missing the replay. Yes, Soliton, it's a text already compressed. Which I decompressed and sent as a plain text. But now she has to re-compress it. Can she make it a zip file and then rename the extension to .gz ? 20180130 21:08:25< Soliton> wesnoth should be able to open an uncomrpessed save just fine. 20180130 21:08:37< Soliton> it's just gzip though. 20180130 21:09:20< Soliton> oh and no, not a zip file. 20180130 21:10:44< Tecraus> Really!? That's interesting... I'll try to load the plain text... 20180130 21:10:50< Ravana_> it might be saved on replays server then 20180130 21:21:24< Tecraus> Not only the game is able to load a plain text, but in .txt form too! (which I didn't know if it was possible as I'm on a linux machine). Thank you Soliton. Now we have to find out where Windows10 stores the saves, but I don't think that would be a problem. In any case, fellow players, remember this: You can send a save via facebook as long as it's an uncompressed .txt ;-) 20180130 21:22:59< Soliton> https://wiki.wesnoth.org/Editingwesnoth#Windows_2 20180130 21:25:51< Tecraus> Oh it's ok, I just told her to copy the path from preferences menu. 20180130 21:25:55< Tecraus> Thank you. 20180130 21:26:23< Soliton> ah yeah, it's nice that we have that now. 20180130 21:32:55-!- Narrat [~Narrat@p2E511C0E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #wesnoth 20180130 22:04:31-!- babyflakes [uid171740@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ivdliyirztpyawwz] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 20180130 22:36:50-!- Jordys [~jordy-jor@160.154.136.168] has left #wesnoth [] 20180130 22:43:25-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180130 22:43:31-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth 20180130 22:59:54-!- Haudegen [~quassel@178.115.237.87] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180130 23:22:54-!- Tecraus [~we@2a02:2149:881b:ef00:c4e4:f579:86dc:433e] has quit [Quit: Leaving] --- Log closed Wed Jan 31 00:00:47 2018