--- Log opened Wed Jan 31 00:00:47 2018 20180131 00:12:01-!- HeyCitizen_ is now known as HeyCitizen 20180131 00:53:50-!- celticminstrel [~celmin@unaffiliated/celticminstrel] has joined #wesnoth 20180131 01:03:21-!- zookeeper [~lmsnie@wesnoth/developer/zookeeper] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20180131 01:22:26-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180131 01:22:32-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth 20180131 01:51:05-!- vultraz [uid24821@wesnoth/developer/vultraz] has joined #wesnoth 20180131 01:54:41<+wesnoth-discord-> @Meta Mirage Have you thought of any more suggestions/questions? 20180131 01:56:10<+wesnoth-discord-> It's been a while, just checking. 20180131 02:01:48<+wesnoth-discord-> hmm so you know how 20180131 02:02:06<+wesnoth-discord-> if you are loyalist and fighting undead then u should retreat at night and attack at day 20180131 02:02:11<+wesnoth-discord-> but, 20180131 02:02:26<+wesnoth-discord-> should you still retreat at the cost of a village? 20180131 02:04:26<+wesnoth-discord-> I'd definitely say yes. This is mainly because that the units you may lose, with their traits and XP, come in handy when you need them. If you stay on the village, you gamble a unit's life for a completely new one with 0 XP. 20180131 02:05:48<+wesnoth-discord-> Ah 20180131 02:06:00<+wesnoth-discord-> So sometimes your villages get taken? 20180131 02:06:04<+wesnoth-discord-> Oh yeah also 20180131 02:06:12<+wesnoth-discord-> what side is more advantageous 20180131 02:06:16<+wesnoth-discord-> player one or player 2? 20180131 02:06:32<+wesnoth-discord-> Depends on the style. 20180131 02:06:35<+wesnoth-discord-> ah 20180131 02:06:53<+wesnoth-discord-> Much like Black and White in chess, it depends on the player. 20180131 02:07:49<+wesnoth-discord-> Some like to be more aggressive, while others like to analyse, block, and counter their opponent's moves instead. 20180131 02:09:23<+wesnoth-discord-> @Meta Mirage In a multiplayer map, your income is necessarily limited. A village only generates 2 income a turn. Even the cheapest of units is 4 turns worth of income. So it's more cost effective to preserve units. 20180131 02:11:43<+wesnoth-discord-> Preserving units is a huge key to beating expert-level campaigns, IMO. 20180131 02:12:02<+wesnoth-discord-> Unless they're like... goblins or zombies or some crapt. 20180131 02:12:07<+wesnoth-discord-> With the limited income and gold. 20180131 02:12:11<+wesnoth-discord-> Oh yeah. 20180131 02:12:24<+wesnoth-discord-> Don't preserve those. 20180131 02:12:28<+wesnoth-discord-> XD 20180131 02:12:35<+wesnoth-discord-> Even then, defend with them on favorable terrain, don't just spam attack with them. 20180131 02:12:45<+wesnoth-discord-> Yeah. 20180131 02:13:06<+wesnoth-discord-> Goblin lvl 1s are actually really decent for their level. 20180131 02:14:56<+wesnoth-discord-> At long last, the final Dunefolk unit renaming polls are up! Jundi -> Muharib -> Batal: https://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=47769 Monawish -> Mighwar: https://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=47770 Shuja -> Khalid: https://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=47704 Naffat -> Qatif-al-nar -> Tineen: https://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=47771 20180131 02:15:50<+wesnoth-discord-> @Pentarctagon 👍 20180131 02:15:55<+wesnoth-discord-> Yeah. They're decent for L1s, though definitely not as good as, for example, a Spearman. 20180131 02:16:15<+wesnoth-discord-> They can hold for a turn or two. 20180131 02:18:55<+wesnoth-discord-> The best strategies for me preserve each unit as much as possible. 20180131 02:19:06<+wesnoth-discord-> Make each one count. 20180131 02:19:46<+wesnoth-discord-> @Meta Mirage Do you have any other concerns? 20180131 02:20:52<+wesnoth-discord-> Just play Knalgans and spam berserks. Can't possibly backfire. 20180131 02:21:07<+wesnoth-discord-> Clearly the Knalgans need a leadership unit that they can combine with beserkers. 20180131 02:22:21<+wesnoth-discord-> I think they're the only faction that doesn't have a unit with leadership, counting mainline campaigns. 20180131 02:22:30<+wesnoth-discord-> Undead? 20180131 02:22:41<+wesnoth-discord-> Death Knight. 20180131 02:22:43<+wesnoth-discord-> Ahhh 20180131 02:22:48<+wesnoth-discord-> It appears in a few. 20180131 02:23:21< celticminstrel> Knalgans do have that unique unit line in the one campaign... Witness or something? 20180131 02:23:21<+wesnoth-discord-> True, true. not recruit-able though. Although some UMC add a level 2 Death Baron that branches off the skeleton line. 20180131 02:23:24<+wesnoth-discord-> Maybe it's because dwarves are very stubborn. 20180131 02:23:30<+wesnoth-discord-> Oh yeah. 20180131 02:23:42< celticminstrel> Hammer of Thursagan was it? 20180131 02:23:48<+wesnoth-discord-> And outlaws just don't give a crap about titles and such. 20180131 02:23:48<+wesnoth-discord-> Yeah. 20180131 02:25:47<+wesnoth-discord-> "Ye can't make me do that! Who do ye think ye are ta be commandin me like that!" 20180131 02:26:08< celticminstrel> Outlaws have leaders too you know. 20180131 02:26:29< celticminstrel> I mean, unless they're solo outlaws. 20180131 02:26:53<+wesnoth-discord-> Baldras could be considered one. 20180131 02:27:18<+wesnoth-discord-> (Liberty) 20180131 02:33:07-!- Narrat [~Narrat@p2E511C0E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: They say a little knowledge is a dangerous thing, but it's not one half so bad as a lot of ignorance.] 20180131 02:34:40<+wesnoth-discord-> arent knalgans also the only faction that doesnt have magic 20180131 02:34:50<+wesnoth-discord-> besides khalifate 20180131 02:35:31<+wesnoth-discord-> Yeah. 20180131 02:35:53<+wesnoth-discord-> Wait, Orcs don't. 20180131 02:36:13<+wesnoth-discord-> oh 20180131 02:37:19<+wesnoth-discord-> But in canon, they have shamans. 20180131 02:37:24<+wesnoth-discord-> SotBE 20180131 02:37:29<+wesnoth-discord-> :P 20180131 02:37:53<+wesnoth-discord-> And Knalgans have runesmiths. 20180131 02:38:01<+wesnoth-discord-> SoF 20180131 02:38:56< celticminstrel> Probably all the factions have magic if you count non-MP units though. :P Okay, so khalifate doesn't yet, but... 20180131 02:39:21<+wesnoth-discord-> Español...? 20180131 02:39:36< celticminstrel> ...no? 20180131 02:39:41<+wesnoth-discord-> We don't have a spanish channel. 20180131 02:39:46<+wesnoth-discord-> We have these. 20180131 02:40:05<+wesnoth-discord-> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/231976805987385345/408089013874982923/Screenshot_2018-01-30_at_7.39.52_PM.png 20180131 02:40:44<+wesnoth-discord-> 😦 ok ty 20180131 02:40:49<+wesnoth-discord-> Welcome. 20180131 02:41:27< celticminstrel> Could probably start one though? 20180131 02:41:58<+wesnoth-discord-> We may be able to make one if there is enough spanish-speaking players. 20180131 02:42:13<+wesnoth-discord-> At least, I think so. 20180131 02:46:01<+wesnoth-discord-> Is there a good percentage of spanish speaking wesnoth players? 20180131 02:46:56<+wesnoth-discord-> @Alejandro Es extraño que no haya discord española. 20180131 02:47:10<+wesnoth-discord-> @Not Hamel One would think so. 20180131 02:47:38<+wesnoth-discord-> Yeah. I think it's one of the most common languages, though I may be wrong. 20180131 02:47:51<+wesnoth-discord-> 👍 20180131 02:48:02<+wesnoth-discord-> Similar to how many people in several places speak English. 20180131 02:49:20<+wesnoth-discord-> Or French. 20180131 02:49:32<+wesnoth-discord-> Yeah. 20180131 02:50:49<+wesnoth-discord-> Which reminds me that Wesnoth has a French channel. 20180131 02:51:09<+wesnoth-discord-> I think a large part of it was the vast expanse of the English and French empires. 20180131 02:51:30<+wesnoth-discord-> France didn't have control over as much 20180131 02:52:08<+wesnoth-discord-> I think so. May be wrong on one or both of those. 20180131 02:52:59<+wesnoth-discord-> @Not Hamel Many West African countries speak French. Also Quebec, many former French colonies in the Pacific and Indian oceans. 20180131 02:53:10<+wesnoth-discord-> Also French Guinea. 20180131 02:53:29<+wesnoth-discord-> Okay. 20180131 02:53:55<+wesnoth-discord-> I'm good with overall history, though that part I'm a bit foggy on. 20180131 02:54:41<+wesnoth-discord-> My strong suit is the 1700s to now. 20180131 02:54:59<+wesnoth-discord-> Though I do know a lot about other areas. 20180131 03:01:10< celticminstrel> Yeah, there's quite a few places that speak French, English, or Spanish. 20180131 03:02:07<+wesnoth-discord-> I thought the language chats were created for use by translators in the first place. 20180131 03:02:23< celticminstrel> Maybe? I wouldn't really know. 20180131 03:02:32<+wesnoth-discord-> I didn't receive much in the way of an explanation from vultraz when I last inquired about them. 20180131 03:02:38<+wesnoth-discord-> Naturally. 20180131 03:03:02<+wesnoth-discord-> Are they usually vague? 20180131 03:03:37<+wesnoth-discord-> Nah he just selectively ignores stuff that isn't directly conducive to an advantegous outcome for whatever he has planned for the day. 20180131 03:03:50<+wesnoth-discord-> Oh. 20180131 03:03:51<+wesnoth-discord-> Especially if it comes from me. 20180131 03:03:56<+wesnoth-discord-> Oh. 20180131 03:07:08<+wesnoth-discord-> @Meta Mirage Do you have any more specific questions? 20180131 03:10:22<+wesnoth-discord-> hmm 20180131 03:10:33<+wesnoth-discord-> what faction does best statistically speaking lol 20180131 03:10:54<+wesnoth-discord-> at high levels 20180131 03:11:09-!- ArneBab [~quassel@freenet/developer/arnebab] has joined #wesnoth 20180131 03:12:06<+wesnoth-discord-> I don't know, actually. 20180131 03:12:36<+wesnoth-discord-> I don't have an extra day to compile all the stats. 20180131 03:13:08<+wesnoth-discord-> Though, I do think Loys appear less often in high levels. 20180131 03:13:33<+wesnoth-discord-> The Loys are more overall, while the other factions tend to focus on something. 20180131 03:13:52<+wesnoth-discord-> Like the Rebels focus of Guerilla Tactics. 20180131 03:14:02<+wesnoth-discord-> (is that how to spell it?) 20180131 03:14:56< celticminstrel> Guerilla? Yeah. 20180131 03:15:18-!- ArneBab_ [~quassel@freenet/developer/arnebab] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20180131 03:15:24<+wesnoth-discord-> Okay. 20180131 03:16:17<+wesnoth-discord-> hmm so since loys are overall, that means that they arent good at one thing? 20180131 03:16:56< celticminstrel> "loys are overall" 20180131 03:17:01< celticminstrel> WTH are you saying 20180131 03:17:04<+wesnoth-discord-> They're decent at everything, is a better way to put it. 20180131 03:17:07< celticminstrel> "overall" is not a noun or an adjective 20180131 03:17:12< celticminstrel> Okay. 20180131 03:17:18<+wesnoth-discord-> Overall of a range. 20180131 03:17:38<+wesnoth-discord-> @Grandos si es algo extraño jajaja pero seria bueno porque hay gente que le gustaría algunos consejos y cosas en Español aunque no sé que tan popular es este juego en personas hispanohablantes 20180131 03:17:52<+wesnoth-discord-> I completely understood what Hamel meant by overall; balanced right? 20180131 03:17:57< celticminstrel> Okay, so it is an adjective. Still doesn't really work as a predicate adj 20180131 03:18:03<+wesnoth-discord-> or like jack of all trades 20180131 03:18:21< celticminstrel> Yeah, jack of all trades, sure! 20180131 03:18:30<+wesnoth-discord-> :3 20180131 03:18:35< celticminstrel> The loyalists are actually your conventional medieval field troops, right? 20180131 03:18:43<+wesnoth-discord-> Right 20180131 03:19:10< celticminstrel> I can almost understand what Alejandro is saying. >_> 20180131 03:19:56<+wesnoth-discord-> lol 20180131 03:19:56<+wesnoth-discord-> They're decent at everything. They don't suck at anything in particular, and they aren't experts in anything either. 20180131 03:21:11<+wesnoth-discord-> Like how the Knalgans suck with water. 20180131 03:21:27<+wesnoth-discord-> What tier is drakes? 20180131 03:21:31<+wesnoth-discord-> "We be drowning" 20180131 03:21:35<+wesnoth-discord-> lol 20180131 03:21:38<+wesnoth-discord-> What? 20180131 03:21:47<+wesnoth-discord-> Tier? 20180131 03:21:50<+wesnoth-discord-> Drakes seems like it would either be the best or the worst 20180131 03:22:08<+wesnoth-discord-> yeah like tier as in how well does it do at high levels? 20180131 03:22:40<+wesnoth-discord-> Oh. 20180131 03:22:50<+wesnoth-discord-> Again, depends on the player. 20180131 03:22:57<+wesnoth-discord-> ah 20180131 03:23:18<+wesnoth-discord-> They have high quality units, but they cost you dry. 20180131 03:23:20<+wesnoth-discord-> so I guess the key to competitive wesnoth is to basically play a lot so that you understand your sense of style? 20180131 03:23:23-!- iwaim___ [~iwaim@2001:2c0:40e:2002:0:4:14:80] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 20180131 03:23:29<+wesnoth-discord-> Yeah. 20180131 03:23:32<+wesnoth-discord-> ah 20180131 03:24:52<+wesnoth-discord-> Like, are you more of a Quantity or Quality player? 20180131 03:25:37<+wesnoth-discord-> hmm quantity 20180131 03:25:46<+wesnoth-discord-> but in chess, quality 20180131 03:25:57<+wesnoth-discord-> same here. 20180131 03:26:14<+wesnoth-discord-> I feel insecure with quality; it feels like I give up a lot of map terrain control 20180131 03:26:20<+wesnoth-discord-> Orcs statistically cost less but deal more per hit. 20180131 03:26:32-!- iwaim___ [~iwaim@rasteenie.alib.jp] has joined #wesnoth 20180131 03:26:34<+wesnoth-discord-> wow, should I maybe learn northerners then? 20180131 03:26:48-!- Bonobo [~Bonobo@220-244-89-194.tpgi.com.au] has joined #wesnoth 20180131 03:27:18<+wesnoth-discord-> Which is also a negative because that means less hits for balance, and so when your Orcish Grunt misses 1 time, you lost 50% of your possible damage. 20180131 03:27:24<+wesnoth-discord-> Yeah, if you want. 20180131 03:29:55<+wesnoth-discord-> The Grunts cost less, and have slightly more HP, and they hit harder. 20180131 03:30:06<+wesnoth-discord-> But they have less strikes. 20180131 03:31:09<+wesnoth-discord-> I'd reccomend it. 20180131 03:31:26<+wesnoth-discord-> It's not difficult to play. 20180131 03:31:48< celticminstrel> <-- the person who nearly always plays elves if it's an option >_> 20180131 03:32:05<+wesnoth-discord-> You do? 20180131 03:32:14< celticminstrel> Yes? 20180131 03:32:51<+wesnoth-discord-> Okay. They seem quite interesting to me, but I can't play them right. 20180131 03:33:27<+wesnoth-discord-> It always feels like the RNG wants my shaman to die on the first 3 strikes. 20180131 03:34:07<+wesnoth-discord-> XD 20180131 03:34:27<+wesnoth-discord-> How would you suggest playing them? 20180131 03:35:21< celticminstrel> Well, I'm no master strategist or MP expert or anything... 20180131 03:35:59< celticminstrel> But it's probably a good idea to keep your shamans on the forest when possible, and use them to finish off units that have been weakened by your other troops, so they level up faster. 20180131 03:36:36<+wesnoth-discord-> Oh ok. 20180131 03:36:55<+wesnoth-discord-> Yea I mostly keep them on the forest as much as i can. 20180131 03:37:10< celticminstrel> Obviously that's harder on MP maps than campaign maps. 20180131 03:37:17<+wesnoth-discord-> But then the enemy manages to land like 3 hits in a row and kill her. 20180131 03:37:22<+wesnoth-discord-> Yeah. 20180131 03:37:35< celticminstrel> Well the enemy does have a 30% chance to hit, so... 20180131 03:37:40<+wesnoth-discord-> Yeah... 20180131 03:37:44< celticminstrel> More if they're using magic or marksman. 20180131 03:38:19< celticminstrel> The slow attack is super-effective though, when it works. 20180131 03:38:23<+wesnoth-discord-> I don't think so. Maybe the RNG decided to just kill her since it was sick of her. 20180131 03:38:24<+wesnoth-discord-> XD 20180131 03:39:09< celticminstrel> Generally you do want to put other units in front of the shamans to protect them (and benefit from their healing). 20180131 03:39:28<+wesnoth-discord-> Yeah, I try. 20180131 03:39:45<+wesnoth-discord-> I'm a good player, but I still suck at some things. 20180131 03:39:58<+wesnoth-discord-> Even though I've passed all the campaigns. 20180131 03:40:36<+wesnoth-discord-> Maybe coz I don't play on the server a lot. 20180131 03:40:58<+wesnoth-discord-> And fight actual humans. 20180131 03:43:40< celticminstrel> I don't play on the server much either. 20180131 03:43:58< celticminstrel> In fact I've probably played no more than... three games ever on the official server? 20180131 03:44:07<+wesnoth-discord-> Oh. 20180131 03:44:10<+wesnoth-discord-> Huh. 20180131 03:44:12< celticminstrel> Not counting aeth's mod. 20180131 03:44:20<+wesnoth-discord-> Okay. 20180131 03:44:23< celticminstrel> Which I joined a test of twice IIRC. 20180131 03:44:46< celticminstrel> I've played MP games not on the official server too though, but still not that many. 20180131 03:45:05<+wesnoth-discord-> Interesting. 20180131 03:45:11<+wesnoth-discord-> Have you beat the mainline campaigns? 20180131 03:46:03< celticminstrel> I think I've beaten all the easy ones. 20180131 03:46:15<+wesnoth-discord-> Okay. 20180131 03:46:38< celticminstrel> I don't have 1.10 anymore so I guess it's a pain to check probably... 20180131 03:46:44<+wesnoth-discord-> Maybe it's just coz I tend to focus on other factions more often. 20180131 03:47:04<+wesnoth-discord-> I think Orcs, Knalgans, and Khalifs are my most played. 20180131 03:47:37<+wesnoth-discord-> Then probably the Humans and Undead. 20180131 03:47:38< celticminstrel> Okay, so I've beaten AToTB, AOI, HTTT, TSG, and DW. 20180131 03:47:54< celticminstrel> That was in 1.10. I haven't even beaten one in 1.12 yet. 20180131 03:48:08<+wesnoth-discord-> ]\ 20180131 03:48:14< celticminstrel> I did start playing the orc one whose name escapes me ATM. 20180131 03:48:17<+wesnoth-discord-> oops 20180131 03:48:20< celticminstrel> Oh yeah, SotBE. 20180131 03:48:38<+wesnoth-discord-> Liberty should be a breeze for you. 20180131 03:48:41< celticminstrel> I think I got up to the scenario where the shamans ... wait no, a couple scenarios after that. 20180131 03:48:53< celticminstrel> You think so? Maybe I'll try it soon then, I dunno. 20180131 03:49:23<+wesnoth-discord-> It's more of a novice campaign, IMO, but its last scenario can be a pain in the butt for some users. 20180131 03:50:11<+wesnoth-discord-> Especially for some who made a certain choice a couple scenarios earlier. 20180131 03:50:38<+wesnoth-discord-> Yeah. in 6 of the 8 scenarios, you have a friendly AI side. 20180131 03:52:15<+wesnoth-discord-> I remember playing TSG as a kid, and always siding with the outlaws. 20180131 03:52:48<+wesnoth-discord-> And then I got my novice butt whooped in the next scenario. 20180131 03:52:58< celticminstrel> Heh... 20180131 03:53:11<+wesnoth-discord-> Couldn't even get far. 20180131 03:53:21<+wesnoth-discord-> Would die against the undead. 20180131 03:54:06<+wesnoth-discord-> I believe the first campaigns i beat were L and AToTB. 20180131 03:55:09<+wesnoth-discord-> Then, I came back many years later, and was a ton better at it. 20180131 03:59:37<+wesnoth-discord-> Not sure when I started playing. 20180131 04:00:58<+wesnoth-discord-> I know I haven't been playing that long, but when did it come out? 20180131 04:03:54< celticminstrel> Wesnoth? 20180131 04:04:16< celticminstrel> ISTR it only came out sometime after 2000. Maybe 2003 or 2004? I dunno, I myself didn't find it until much later. 20180131 04:05:17<+wesnoth-discord-> Wow. 20180131 04:05:23<+wesnoth-discord-> Been around that long? 20180131 04:05:33< celticminstrel> Think so. 20180131 04:07:14<+wesnoth-discord-> I think I started as a kid in 07 or maybe 06, but I doubt it. 20180131 04:07:57<+wesnoth-discord-> Took a long break, because I was going thru middle and high school then. 20180131 04:10:43<+wesnoth-discord-> @Meta Mirage Do you have any other questions? 20180131 04:15:14<+wesnoth-discord-> Well, any recommendations for first turn recruit for loyalist and undead? :3 20180131 04:15:33<+wesnoth-discord-> Thank you so much for asking if I have any other questions by the way 20180131 04:15:41<+wesnoth-discord-> lol its funny but in a good way 20180131 04:15:48<+wesnoth-discord-> Oh, welcome! 20180131 04:16:02<+wesnoth-discord-> I usually do a cavalry, spear, and bow. 20180131 04:16:04<+wesnoth-discord-> it feels like talking to one of those bots in journey games lol 20180131 04:16:06<+wesnoth-discord-> ah 20180131 04:16:10<+wesnoth-discord-> XD 20180131 04:16:30<+wesnoth-discord-> Then when I see what I'm up against, I recruit accordingly. 20180131 04:16:43<+wesnoth-discord-> ah 20180131 04:16:55<+wesnoth-discord-> cavalry as in cavalryman? 20180131 04:17:13<+wesnoth-discord-> Yeah. Horsemen are good but expensive. 20180131 04:17:23<+wesnoth-discord-> Even against the skellies, I can find a place for a spear or two against the Adepts. 20180131 04:18:22<+wesnoth-discord-> Also, the calvary are quite resistant to the Adepts. 20180131 04:18:38<+wesnoth-discord-> mmm 20180131 04:18:38<+wesnoth-discord-> And they can hold for a turn or two against the skellies. 20180131 04:18:45<+wesnoth-discord-> yeah 20180131 04:19:00<+wesnoth-discord-> Other than that, they last a few turns. 20180131 04:20:05<+wesnoth-discord-> Yeah I like cavalrymen definitely 20180131 04:20:07<+wesnoth-discord-> At least one Spear and Bow if it's anything but skellies. 20180131 04:20:10<+wesnoth-discord-> Yeah. 20180131 04:20:26<+wesnoth-discord-> Undead, you just gotta counter their counter. 20180131 04:20:31<+wesnoth-discord-> ah 20180131 04:21:23<+wesnoth-discord-> also I always feel like when I play that I'm playing too mechanically and thinking too mathematically as opposed to style? 20180131 04:21:49<+wesnoth-discord-> Oh, I find that the best way. 20180131 04:22:00<+wesnoth-discord-> ah 20180131 04:22:06-!- celticminstrel [~celmin@unaffiliated/celticminstrel] has quit [Quit: And lo! The computer falls into a deep sleep, to awake again some other day!] 20180131 04:22:19<+wesnoth-discord-> Tho plans can fail, and no matter what they never quite make it, it is good to plan out still. 20180131 04:23:20<+wesnoth-discord-> true! But in chess its not good to play 100% mechanically/objectively 20180131 04:23:29<+wesnoth-discord-> like at highest level 20180131 04:24:04<+wesnoth-discord-> maybe its similar? 20180131 04:24:12<+wesnoth-discord-> Yeah. 20180131 04:24:40<+wesnoth-discord-> IMO, the best and most entertaining way to play is to fight fire with fire. 20180131 04:24:47<+wesnoth-discord-> NOT literally. 20180131 04:24:48<+wesnoth-discord-> XD 20180131 04:25:48<+wesnoth-discord-> That's a bad idea in Wesnoth. 20180131 04:25:58<+wesnoth-discord-> Just kill the drakes with spears. 20180131 04:26:14<+wesnoth-discord-> Not the Red Mages. 20180131 04:26:53<+wesnoth-discord-> lolol xD 20180131 04:27:05<+wesnoth-discord-> Yeah language is very very abstract 20180131 04:27:09<+wesnoth-discord-> in general :p 20180131 04:27:15<+wesnoth-discord-> Yeah. 20180131 04:27:39<+wesnoth-discord-> Even as a first language, English is still weird. 20180131 04:28:23<+wesnoth-discord-> Hmm I never felt that english was weird, just that anything I didnt understand about English meant that I'm naive and still learning 20180131 04:28:28<+wesnoth-discord-> Like, if the past tense of know is knew, shouldn't the past tense of snow be snew? 20180131 04:28:29<+wesnoth-discord-> I'm 17 by the way 20180131 04:28:32<+wesnoth-discord-> oh 20180131 04:28:39<+wesnoth-discord-> okay. 20180131 04:28:40<+wesnoth-discord-> Lol :P 20180131 04:29:16<+wesnoth-discord-> thats awesome though... xD fight drakes with fire mage but yeah I see what you mean; to counter a counter? 20180131 04:29:18<+wesnoth-discord-> Yeah. I've lived in the US all my life, but I'm still confused by English. 20180131 04:29:22<+wesnoth-discord-> Yeah. 20180131 04:29:23<+wesnoth-discord-> ah 20180131 04:30:09<+wesnoth-discord-> Undead is an aggressive defensive style to me. 20180131 04:31:17<+wesnoth-discord-> You send your units out, then when they counter yours, you defend, but when their counters are out you send out counter-counter units to aggressively attack. 20180131 04:31:39<+wesnoth-discord-> Idk im bad at explaining things 20180131 04:31:41<+wesnoth-discord-> XD 20180131 04:31:57<+wesnoth-discord-> lol I think I understand exactly your point though :3 20180131 04:32:09<+wesnoth-discord-> And I'm pretty bad at understanding people myself 20180131 04:32:36<+wesnoth-discord-> Don't worry!! I never felt that u were bad at explaining anything, thank you for your hospitality xD 20180131 04:32:38<+wesnoth-discord-> Okay. 20180131 04:33:03<+wesnoth-discord-> Welcome! I just wanna try my best to help new players. 20180131 04:33:08<+wesnoth-discord-> :D 20180131 04:33:57<+wesnoth-discord-> Like I was at the bus stop the other day, and a guy couldn't figure out the machine, and so I helped him. 20180131 04:35:03<+wesnoth-discord-> Lol thats cool :3 20180131 04:35:31<+wesnoth-discord-> Just don't let people freeload you xD 20180131 04:35:37<+wesnoth-discord-> Yeah. 20180131 04:36:28<+wesnoth-discord-> I remember i gave a guy a couple dollars once since I was at the stop and he asked for them, and then when the bus was leaving, I saw him with another guy, smoking. 20180131 04:37:12<+wesnoth-discord-> Yeah you have to acknowledge that they can do anything with that money you give if it is nonviolent, I'm sorry to hear that! 20180131 04:37:37<+wesnoth-discord-> Yeah. 20180131 04:37:45<+wesnoth-discord-> You mean that he wasnt even taking the bus? 20180131 04:37:49<+wesnoth-discord-> Yep. 20180131 04:38:18<+wesnoth-discord-> The thing I hate about that is when they feel like they are smart for scamming you 20180131 04:38:43<+wesnoth-discord-> sucks when that happens... 20180131 04:38:45<+wesnoth-discord-> Yeah. 20180131 04:39:26<+wesnoth-discord-> Im naturally nice to people, I dont see the drive to do that... xD even if I were broke and addicted to drugs 20180131 04:39:30<+wesnoth-discord-> or smoking 20180131 04:39:50<+wesnoth-discord-> I don't think I can judge him for his choice since I haven't gone through what he's gone through, but I think the choice to scam me was morally wrong. 20180131 04:40:25<+wesnoth-discord-> yeah well if he told you his story and that he didnt need it for the bus, would you still give him the money? 20180131 04:41:26<+wesnoth-discord-> I don't think I would, but good point. I do believe in being kind to people, I just don't want to be involved in that. 20180131 04:41:59<+wesnoth-discord-> It's my choice, though if I could help him in any other way, I probably would. 20180131 04:42:36<+wesnoth-discord-> Yeah same but then I guess they could also lie about their story, thus still being deceptive 20180131 04:42:48<+wesnoth-discord-> Yeah. 20180131 04:44:10<+wesnoth-discord-> I was friends with a guy online for a year and he told me that if I give him a product worth 30 dollars that he would give me something also worth 30 on the market (which it wasnt, it was more like 10 cents), a trade, and so yep he basically scammed me 30 dollars and also probably made a hundred dollars off of the product 20180131 04:44:17<+wesnoth-discord-> I had trusted him 20180131 04:44:25<+wesnoth-discord-> Oh. 20180131 04:44:31<+wesnoth-discord-> Sorry about that. 20180131 04:44:47<+wesnoth-discord-> Yeah I felt so regretful 20180131 04:44:57<+wesnoth-discord-> Thank you 20180131 04:45:22<+wesnoth-discord-> Welcome. 20180131 04:45:40<+wesnoth-discord-> It's just my belief that whether you agree with all my beliefs, or oppose every one of them, I'll respect you for that, since I have no right to judge you, since I have not gone through what you have. Even if they seem strange, and I don't agree, I will still respect you since that is your choice, not mine to make. 20180131 04:47:08<+wesnoth-discord-> Indeed, I don't judge people by their ideology! I just don't want to be freeloaded and taken advantage by unjustified circumstances haha 20180131 04:47:38<+wesnoth-discord-> Yeah. 20180131 04:47:58<+wesnoth-discord-> I just want people to respect others, that's all. 20180131 04:48:13<+wesnoth-discord-> And at the very least, tolerate them. 20180131 04:48:48-!- vultraz [uid24821@wesnoth/developer/vultraz] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 20180131 04:48:58<+wesnoth-discord-> Thats sweet lol, yeah I wonder why there are a lot of exploitative people in society to be honest 20180131 04:49:24<+wesnoth-discord-> Maybe not as much as portrayed 20180131 04:49:38<+wesnoth-discord-> Yeah. Same here. 20180131 04:50:15<+wesnoth-discord-> Dont they feel bad in the inside, like fake and guilty..? 20180131 04:50:51<+wesnoth-discord-> Maybe they do the wrong things for what seemed like the right reasons. 20180131 04:50:58<+wesnoth-discord-> ah 20180131 04:51:04<+wesnoth-discord-> I tend to look for the good in people. 20180131 04:51:21<+wesnoth-discord-> It won't do you any good looking at the bad. 20180131 04:51:25<+wesnoth-discord-> IMO. 20180131 04:52:44<+wesnoth-discord-> Like, what if your friend lived in another country, and that costed $30 to him there? 20180131 04:53:40<+wesnoth-discord-> he told me that he lived in the usa 20180131 04:54:01<+wesnoth-discord-> I also later figured out that he harassed a guy via their phone number 20180131 04:54:18<+wesnoth-discord-> Oh. 20180131 04:54:21<+wesnoth-discord-> like with meaningless and provocative chitchat 20180131 04:54:28<+wesnoth-discord-> Oh. 20180131 04:54:34<+wesnoth-discord-> Yeah unfortunately 20180131 04:55:06<+wesnoth-discord-> Well, I hope he doesn't do it to other people. To me, that is just immoral to scam others. 20180131 04:56:57<+wesnoth-discord-> One of the best quotes I found that inspires me was from MLK. "Let no man bring you so low as to hate him" ~Martin Luther King, Jr. 20180131 04:57:07<+wesnoth-discord-> And I try and live by it. 20180131 04:57:39<+wesnoth-discord-> I may not like your actions, but you I cannot judge. 20180131 04:57:48<+wesnoth-discord-> Only your actions, IMO. 20180131 04:58:54<+wesnoth-discord-> ah, whats your logic behind this? Just makes you likable? 20180131 04:59:16<+wesnoth-discord-> I feel like living that way allows you to be used by scammers and also more significantly, sociopaths 20180131 05:01:07<+wesnoth-discord-> No, I don't like some people, I just don't hate them. 20180131 05:01:18<+wesnoth-discord-> And I still am very cautious. 20180131 05:01:29<+wesnoth-discord-> Ah thats good 20180131 05:02:00<+wesnoth-discord-> Yeah, like some people are just monsters. 20180131 05:02:19<+wesnoth-discord-> But, I don't hate them. Only really dislike them. 20180131 05:03:05<+wesnoth-discord-> Yeah I met a guy that was a sociopath that played with my feelings and tried to guilt trip me into thinking all our problems was my fault, when in reality it is him being nerrotic and mental and a monster 20180131 05:03:37<+wesnoth-discord-> He jacked people back and forth, like mega bipolar 20180131 05:03:52<+wesnoth-discord-> Oh wow. 20180131 05:04:19<+wesnoth-discord-> Some people blame the world, when they should look at themselves and change. 20180131 05:04:26<+wesnoth-discord-> True! 20180131 05:07:15<+wesnoth-discord-> well the thing is I believe a lot of people cant 20180131 05:07:21<+wesnoth-discord-> Won't do me any good to go outside and curse the world for losing, a job, for example, instead of realizing I may have just have been a real jerk. 20180131 05:07:25<+wesnoth-discord-> Sociopaths for example never change like ever, sadly 20180131 05:07:29<+wesnoth-discord-> Yeah. 20180131 05:08:45<+wesnoth-discord-> You can't change other people, but you can change yourself. 20180131 05:09:10<+wesnoth-discord-> Just don't let people change you from who you really truly are. 20180131 05:11:14<+wesnoth-discord-> Thank you for the advice! Hehe :3 20180131 05:11:21<+wesnoth-discord-> Welcome. 20180131 05:11:34<+wesnoth-discord-> IMO, too many people shut off the other side and demonize it, and then they glorify their own side. 20180131 05:11:49-!- babyflakes [uid171740@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vuoxbnwrqtaseedy] has joined #wesnoth 20180131 05:12:11<+wesnoth-discord-> well they also do it as if they are trying to help u be more fit in society 20180131 05:12:22<+wesnoth-discord-> Yeah idk how to feel about that 20180131 05:12:28<+wesnoth-discord-> Yeah 20180131 05:12:30<+wesnoth-discord-> I think you should be open to both sides, but stay strong in your beliefs. 20180131 05:12:42<+wesnoth-discord-> ah 20180131 05:12:58<+wesnoth-discord-> Just listen to all, we all have something to share. 20180131 05:13:37<+wesnoth-discord-> Ive had people tell me that having a crush on someone, especially a fictional character, is unhealthy and leads to narcissism and is narcissistic to begin with as well 20180131 05:13:58<+wesnoth-discord-> Not from personal experience by the way, just hypothetics and philosophical debates 20180131 05:14:00<+wesnoth-discord-> xD 20180131 05:14:14<+wesnoth-discord-> XD 20180131 05:15:00<+wesnoth-discord-> I think it's fine to like others, even fictional characters, because it truly shows the power of the author of the character if they can do that. 20180131 05:15:18<+wesnoth-discord-> True!! 20180131 05:15:37<+wesnoth-discord-> Yep like my picture for example... lol xDD 20180131 05:15:44<+wesnoth-discord-> Just don't be one of those people who literally marries a cardboard cutout of their character. IMO, that's too far. 20180131 05:16:05<+wesnoth-discord-> XD 20180131 05:16:16<+wesnoth-discord-> lol well only if u call it by those words though right? 20180131 05:16:25<+wesnoth-discord-> Cuz ur not literally married is all 20180131 05:16:30<+wesnoth-discord-> I guess 20180131 05:16:54<+wesnoth-discord-> lol xD 20180131 05:17:08<+wesnoth-discord-> Found a news article where someone actually did it. 20180131 05:17:14<+wesnoth-discord-> LOL 20180131 05:17:19<+wesnoth-discord-> https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/real-life-stories/twilight-fan-marries-cardboard-cut-out-4193568 20180131 05:18:02<+wesnoth-discord-> Hahahaha why did it have to be cardboard anyway? 20180131 05:18:06<+wesnoth-discord-> Idk 20180131 05:18:11<+wesnoth-discord-> xD 20180131 05:18:14<+wesnoth-discord-> Fangirls.... 20180131 05:18:15<+wesnoth-discord-> XD 20180131 05:19:21<+wesnoth-discord-> Lmao xD that article is hilarious. Lol even marrying a wesnoth character made of cardboard would be more acceptable since in the article it is Twilight lolol 20180131 05:19:33<+wesnoth-discord-> xD 20180131 05:19:49<+wesnoth-discord-> Yeah. XD 20180131 05:21:04<+wesnoth-discord-> Well, this is the country of great heroes, but it is also the country of teens who eat tide pods for views, and crazy fangirls. XD 20180131 05:21:16<+wesnoth-discord-> Lol xD 20180131 05:21:47<+wesnoth-discord-> Well i've had a lot of people on discord and stuff ask if the picture on my discord was a picture of me in real life 20180131 05:22:02<+wesnoth-discord-> I honestly feel bad for them when I tell them no cuz their dreams are crushed 20180131 05:22:12<+wesnoth-discord-> oh XD 20180131 05:22:25<+wesnoth-discord-> xD I find her sooo adorable 20180131 05:23:06<+wesnoth-discord-> Just wondering, who is it? I haven't seen much shows or movies. 20180131 05:24:16<+wesnoth-discord-> Akari Uemura :P, shes 19 and a jpop singer. I only like some of her pictures not all 20180131 05:24:33<+wesnoth-discord-> oh ok. 20180131 05:24:58<+wesnoth-discord-> Lol :P 20180131 05:25:01<+wesnoth-discord-> I was thinking it might be a pic of a person IRL, or a character. 20180131 05:25:10<+wesnoth-discord-> yeah a real life person 20180131 05:25:50<+wesnoth-discord-> Oh cool. 20180131 05:27:06<+wesnoth-discord-> Well, it's getting around 10:30 here, and to make sure I'm not dead of tiredness tomorrow, (I have to be up at 6, usually 5:30) I should get to sleep soon. XD 20180131 05:27:19<+wesnoth-discord-> Aha, alright then :3 20180131 05:28:01<+wesnoth-discord-> Cya. Thanks for talking. I enjoyed the conversation. 20180131 05:28:32<+wesnoth-discord-> Me too! Good night :) 20180131 06:00:26-!- vultraz [uid24821@wesnoth/developer/vultraz] has joined #wesnoth 20180131 06:15:59<+wesnoth-discord-> Yeah wesnoth was first released in July, 2003. We didn't reach a 1.0 version until several years later though 20180131 06:18:48<+wesnoth-discord-> hmmm.... I remember the effort to get to 1.0 20180131 06:19:01<+wesnoth-discord-> the good ole' days with Ivanovic 20180131 06:28:48<+wesnoth-discord-> Wesnoth is one of the best games ever crafted... Just imagine how much new metagame would develop if more people played it 20180131 06:29:37<+wesnoth-discord-> Some factions would probably be considered slightly better than others if the playerbase was like 10x larger, as well as unit compositions, maybe a new metagame glitch would be discovered, etc. 20180131 06:30:05<+wesnoth-discord-> :] 20180131 06:43:44<+wesnoth-discord-> Alright, the actual final renaming poll, for the Falcon -> Elder Falcon line: https://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=47773 20180131 06:44:24<+wesnoth-discord-> Also, if anyone's interesting, shadowm did write a few blog posts about the very first versions of Wesnoth: https://shadowm.ai0867.net/blog/archives/60-Wesnoth-Evolution-0.1.html 20180131 06:48:33<+wesnoth-discord-> @Pentarctagon when did you come along? 0.8? 20180131 06:49:45<+wesnoth-discord-> Its nice to see that the khalifate is still being worked on 20180131 06:49:58<+wesnoth-discord-> Not even close 😛 20180131 06:50:07<+wesnoth-discord-> later? 20180131 06:50:12<+wesnoth-discord-> I started on some release of 1.4 20180131 06:50:20<+wesnoth-discord-> really? I guess 20180131 06:50:30<+wesnoth-discord-> time compresses I guess. 20180131 06:51:29<+wesnoth-discord-> yeah. even if I didn't start earlier, it's still a bit strange to think that I joined the forums almost 9 years ago now. 20180131 06:52:15<+wesnoth-discord-> yup 20180131 06:52:35<+wesnoth-discord-> Did you start with 0.8? 20180131 06:54:44<+wesnoth-discord-> 0.5 something 20180131 06:54:47<+wesnoth-discord-> maybe 20180131 06:54:58<+wesnoth-discord-> lets look at the forum 20180131 06:59:20<+wesnoth-discord-> so my first forum post was almost 13 years ago.... march of 2005 20180131 06:59:47<+wesnoth-discord-> I started playing August 2004 20180131 07:00:16<+wesnoth-discord-> Oh yeah, I was about to start my masters and bought a mac, and I couldn't play my go-to Starcraft 20180131 07:00:27<+wesnoth-discord-> so I started playing Wesnoth... haha 20180131 07:01:37<+wesnoth-discord-> @Pentarctagon any way to see what version would have been out in August 2004? 20180131 07:04:15<+wesnoth-discord-> Could look way back in the Release Announcements, Compiling & Installation forum 20180131 07:05:10<+wesnoth-discord-> I was just doing that 20180131 07:05:24<+wesnoth-discord-> so its saying 0.8 20180131 07:05:30<+wesnoth-discord-> for august 20180131 07:06:21<+wesnoth-discord-> but I know I was earlier than that.... 20180131 07:06:35<+wesnoth-discord-> maybe I was playing SP campaigns before... 20180131 07:07:45<+wesnoth-discord-> Versions advanced much more quickly back then, it seems, for 0.4.1 -> 0.8 in a year. 20180131 07:08:15<+wesnoth-discord-> @Neu you can get Warcraft III digital version from the Blizzard store... it's hell on my fingers but so much fun 20180131 07:08:26<+wesnoth-discord-> I play Wesnoth during downtime 20180131 07:09:00<+wesnoth-discord-> @humpty_hump eh... I barely have time for games. If I was to play an RTS it would be Wargame red dragon.... and really I don't. 20180131 07:09:18<+wesnoth-discord-> or games I work on as well 20180131 07:09:42<+wesnoth-discord-> I work in manufacturing so I'm just murdering my body slowly 20180131 07:09:49<+wesnoth-discord-> TBS is a lot easier, physically 20180131 07:09:50<+wesnoth-discord-> hahaha 20180131 07:11:49<+wesnoth-discord-> (laughing for the dark humor, its not actually that funny) 20180131 07:11:58<+wesnoth-discord-> I know it's not 20180131 07:12:15<+wesnoth-discord-> I haven't reached the point where I have to seriously evaluate that kind of life choice 20180131 07:12:37<+wesnoth-discord-> I'm still young enough that I feel like I have to generate a ton of capital or I won't survive 20180131 07:12:47<+wesnoth-discord-> my father in law is reaching his 60s and he's in construction... or wait, hes past his 60s 20180131 07:13:38<+wesnoth-discord-> most of the old fuckers I work with are pretty cool 20180131 07:13:43<+wesnoth-discord-> but it's kind of sad 20180131 07:13:50<+wesnoth-discord-> how few young people there are 20180131 07:14:17<+wesnoth-discord-> is there much automation? 20180131 07:14:20<+wesnoth-discord-> no 20180131 07:14:34<+wesnoth-discord-> old people love their jorbs too much for that 20180131 07:15:47<+wesnoth-discord-> if it were more automated, my job wouldn't exist 20180131 07:18:06<+wesnoth-discord-> right 20180131 07:30:05<+wesnoth-discord-> you and I started playing around the same time 20180131 08:03:37<+wesnoth-discord-> How would a snow elf-human alliance even work? 20180131 08:16:29<+wesnoth-discord-> The war before christmas? 🤔 20180131 08:18:55-!- Haudegen [~quassel@178.115.237.87] has joined #wesnoth 20180131 08:37:31-!- zookeeper [~lmsnie@wesnoth/developer/zookeeper] has joined #wesnoth 20180131 09:42:49-!- vladimirslavik [vslavik@nat/redhat/x-exirastgtczgvytf] has joined #wesnoth 20180131 09:59:43-!- vladimirslavik [vslavik@nat/redhat/x-exirastgtczgvytf] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20180131 10:05:44-!- vladimirslavik [vslavik@nat/redhat/x-bjrteswhkilzgpuk] has joined #wesnoth 20180131 12:07:54-!- Nobun [~user@5.170.240.193] has joined #wesnoth 20180131 12:31:35-!- Haudegen [~quassel@178.115.237.87] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180131 12:36:42-!- Nobun [~user@5.170.240.193] has quit [Quit: I will be back... soon or later] 20180131 13:32:50-!- Haudegen [~quassel@212-186-77-29.static.upcbusiness.at] has joined #wesnoth 20180131 14:59:23-!- vslavik [vslavik@nat/redhat/x-ckufqzuxsscrflsr] has joined #wesnoth 20180131 15:01:53-!- Elodon [~Elodon@p200300454401C200B76BD8784039AC15.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #wesnoth 20180131 15:01:56-!- vladimirslavik [vslavik@nat/redhat/x-bjrteswhkilzgpuk] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 20180131 15:30:40<+wesnoth-discord-> @Meta Mirage I'm back now, if you have any more questions. 20180131 15:39:42<+wesnoth-discord-> Just took me a while to get to where I work. 20180131 15:54:46<+wesnoth-discord-> Anyone still play online on wesnoth? 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It seems like they outnumber you xD 20180131 19:47:04<+wesnoth-discord-> Well, they do have strength in numbers, and have slightly more HP and damage, but other than the assassin, their units don't have too much specialities. They're just kinda average. 20180131 19:47:34<+wesnoth-discord-> And they have less hits overall, so if you use the terrain to your suggestion, it'll be harder for them. 20180131 19:48:51<+wesnoth-discord-> For the Assassins, I surround them with units, except the units moved by me have to be on flat land or better, as a personal rule. The sooner you kill them, the less poisoning they can do. 20180131 19:52:10<+wesnoth-discord-> Make sense? 20180131 19:53:19-!- ArneBab [~quassel@freenet/developer/arnebab] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180131 20:09:48-!- Bhoren [~Bhoren_wh@2a01:e0a:c:2150:4dcd:2dee:538a:b284] has joined #wesnoth 20180131 20:19:48-!- Elodon [~Elodon@p200300454401C200B76BD8784039AC15.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20180131 20:23:13-!- ArneBab [~quassel@freenet/developer/arnebab] has joined #wesnoth 20180131 20:26:14-!- ArneBab [~quassel@freenet/developer/arnebab] has left #wesnoth [] 20180131 20:42:26-!- Narrat [~Narrat@p2E511C0E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: They say a little knowledge is a dangerous thing, but it's not one half so bad as a lot of ignorance.] 20180131 20:43:53-!- Jordys [~jordy-jor@160.154.136.18] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 20180131 20:46:28-!- Narrat [~Narrat@p2E511C0E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #wesnoth 20180131 20:54:02-!- sigurdfd [sigurdfd@dynamic-acs-72-23-110-196.zoominternet.net] has quit [] 20180131 20:59:01-!- Jordys [~jordy-jor@154.68.4.218] has joined #wesnoth 20180131 21:05:18<+wesnoth-discord-> and of course, strong melee units to take on the assassins. 20180131 21:05:28<+wesnoth-discord-> Yeah. 20180131 21:06:19<+wesnoth-discord-> assassins want to survive as long as possible, each turn attacking a different target, spreading the joy of poison around. Unlike most units, assassins generally don't want to attack a unit that you are hoping to destroy this turn. 20180131 21:06:37<+wesnoth-discord-> Yeah. 20180131 21:07:00<+wesnoth-discord-> The best plan is to hit them hard with melee units to prevent the poison. 20180131 21:07:34<+wesnoth-discord-> Just don't do a Wesnoth AI and put them in swamp/water. XD 20180131 21:07:47<+wesnoth-discord-> often you feel like delaying attacking the assassins is desirable, since there are enemy units that will have their effects felt sooner about to kill, plus attacking assassins is frustrating with their high evasion rates. But generally it's best to concentrate assassins hard if there is a decent opportunity to kill them. 20180131 21:08:17<+wesnoth-discord-> Yeah. 20180131 21:10:09<+wesnoth-discord-> Usually the units with more defense have less HP/Damage overall, and that is the case with the Assassin, plus poison. 20180131 21:16:17< DeFender1031> Also a good idea to stations some "mobile village" units next to units you have fighting asassins if possible. 20180131 21:16:34<+wesnoth-discord-> Yep. 20180131 21:17:35<+wesnoth-discord-> And, if you have at least good defense on it, you should position units on the assassin's best terrains, IMO. 20180131 21:17:45<+wesnoth-discord-> To kill them easier. 20180131 21:39:32-!- TheJJ [~rofl@ipbcc08bab.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180131 21:39:39-!- Haudegen [~quassel@178.115.237.87] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20180131 21:47:19-!- Narrat [~Narrat@p2E511C0E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20180131 21:48:10-!- Narrat [~Narrat@p2E511C0E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #wesnoth 20180131 21:53:31-!- TheJJ [~rofl@ipbcc08bab.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de] has joined #wesnoth 20180131 21:56:52-!- Narrat [~Narrat@p2E511C0E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 20180131 21:58:23-!- Narrat [~Narrat@p2E511C0E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #wesnoth 20180131 22:00:46-!- Haudegen [~quassel@178.115.237.87] has joined #wesnoth 20180131 22:06:48-!- fortfoskett [~Jabo@209.6.91.232] has joined #wesnoth 20180131 22:46:57-!- Jordys [~jordy-jor@154.68.4.218] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20180131 22:55:03-!- Bhoren [~Bhoren_wh@2a01:e0a:c:2150:4dcd:2dee:538a:b284] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20180131 23:01:38-!- Jordys [~jordy-jor@160.154.136.104] has joined #wesnoth 20180131 23:20:13-!- Haudegen [~quassel@178.115.237.87] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180131 23:44:43-!- vn971 [~vasya@94.158.103.15] has joined #wesnoth 20180131 23:48:57-!- zookeeper [~lmsnie@wesnoth/developer/zookeeper] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20180131 23:49:23< vn971> Had one of the most unusual Creep War games so far. I was losing on creep score heavily (about 15 kills in late game), but was leading on leader kills. This made enemy creeps so strong that they attempted to attack guard on their own, yet I managed to kill enemy leaders from time to time and keep the gold advantage. Battle was finally resolved by a suicide run, the enemy killing the runner, and then another leader moving in place of the 20180131 23:49:23< vn971> fallen one and killing the main guard. --- Log closed Thu Feb 01 00:00:49 2018