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--- Day changed Mon Feb 05 2018
20180205 00:00:43< Soliton> trapped unit is what the WML seems to call them.
20180205 00:01:10< zookeeper> i just see generate_name=yes
20180205 00:01:26< Soliton> true.
20180205 00:01:50< Soliton> so maybe a bug.
20180205 00:02:34< zookeeper> and if so then surely not limited to ANL.
20180205 00:04:00< zookeeper> they do get correct generated names at least on my >2 months old build.
20180205 00:05:10< sevu> trapped is only the macro name, seems all right
20180205 00:05:32< sevu> And trapped sounds less bad than prisoner
20180205 00:05:50< Soliton> note the part about generate_name=yes.
20180205 00:05:56< zookeeper> what are you even talking about now?
20180205 00:06:02< zookeeper> no one's called trappedanything.
20180205 00:07:30< sevu> The change I made is in the overview window which you get with alt+s. The name for side 9 if you use debug mode (otherwise it's hidden)
20180205 00:08:01< zookeeper> riiiiiight, the side/team name
20180205 00:08:07< Soliton> oh team name.
20180205 00:09:02< zookeeper> what causes it to be displayed as "2" and not "Team 2" like all the others?
20180205 00:09:19< zookeeper> oh right, duh, it's missing user_team_name
20180205 00:09:52< Soliton> it's already called Prisoners now.
20180205 00:10:04< sevu> since 5 minutes
20180205 00:10:35< zookeeper> right, yeah. seems like it could probably just be a hidden side, seeing how you can't actually interact with those units anyway... i think.
20180205 00:10:56< Soliton> you just free them afair.
20180205 00:11:26< sevu> it is a hidden side.. but debug mode displays them anyway
20180205 00:11:55< sevu> I would change it for Trapped ...
20180205 00:12:28< Soliton> Prisoner seems fine.
20180205 00:13:46< sevu> Visually speaking, all team names start with a "T", looks not bad
20180205 00:14:47< zookeeper> it's not a hidden side, it shows up in the status table.
20180205 00:15:20< zookeeper> i was suggesting it probably doesn't need to.
20180205 00:15:33< zookeeper> at which point it of course doesn't need a name either
20180205 00:15:56< sevu> true, will change
20180205 00:16:37< zookeeper> if anything, the player and enemy teams would warrant proper team names (not sure what)
20180205 00:17:07< Soliton> Good Guys, Bad Guys
20180205 00:17:24< zookeeper> classic!
20180205 00:18:53< zookeeper> similarly in caves of the basilisk you seem to have given the hidden statues side a translatable name that won't ever be seen.
20180205 00:19:39< sevu> It will be seen if you have debug mode activated
20180205 00:20:01< sevu> I think it doesn't harm to add a name there
20180205 00:22:21< zookeeper> is seeing hidden sides in debug mode a new feature? because i don't see them
20180205 00:23:24< zookeeper> i hope the "surrender" entry in the menu being the only uncapitalized one is just because i have an old build with new data, and not intentional...
20180205 00:24:31< sevu> Hmmm, with alt+s hidde teams are not shown in debug mode. At the game creation screen they are displayed in debug mode...
20180205 00:25:01< zookeeper> ah, okay.
20180205 00:26:25< zookeeper> well, seems like no release right now after all, so i'll opt for sleep ->
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20180205 00:33:00< sevu> "Nani The Shapeshifter" - is that correct with a capital T
20180205 00:42:13< Soliton> hrm, there seems to be an issue with wesnothd redirecting clients. also no way to get out of the server connection screen.
20180205 00:43:57< Soliton> loonycyborg: any idea about that? perhaps some connection to the server upgrade? seems weird...
20180205 00:44:54< Soliton> though it must work for 1.12 clients so...
20180205 00:45:08< loonycyborg> what exactly happens and for which versions?
20180205 00:45:43< Soliton> if i connect with 1.3.11 to trunk i'm stuck in connecting to server screen.
20180205 00:45:55< Soliton> if i connect to the correct port it works.
20180205 00:46:22< Soliton> trunk server logs that it's redirecting but something doesn't work...
20180205 00:46:29< sevu> I thought that's because the versions_accepten in the server configuration needs to be adjusted for 1.13.11, it's not that?
20180205 00:46:44< Soliton> no, that'd give you an error.
20180205 00:47:14< Soliton> and i check, we're accepting up to 1.3.13 so far.
20180205 00:47:39< Soliton> also you get in if you use port 14997.
20180205 00:48:30< Soliton> if someone could confirm redirection to 1.12 still works. looks very much like it though.
20180205 00:51:00< sevu> I can connect with 1.12 to the server
20180205 00:52:06< Soliton> so something client side must have gotten broken in 1.13.
20180205 00:52:09< sevu> And I have the problem since I compiled after the pre release version bump, I had build before which wasn't old
20180205 00:52:21< sevu> like a few commits earlier, max 1 day
20180205 00:52:37< Soliton> before the surrender feature, right?
20180205 00:52:50< sevu> yes, 2 days ago or so... or 1 ?
20180205 00:53:59< Soliton> must be something subtle because i don't remember any networking commits.
20180205 00:54:20< loonycyborg> if I run pofix I get
20180205 00:54:33< loonycyborg> pofix: po/wesnoth-nr/wesnoth-nr.pot modified
20180205 00:54:34< loonycyborg> pofix: 29 files processed, 1 files modified, 29 files newer
20180205 00:54:34< loonycyborg> pofix: script may be obsolete
20180205 00:54:51< sevu> it must be the increase in the version number
20180205 00:55:00< loonycyborg> no
20180205 00:55:15< loonycyborg> one change there is typo fix in NR
20180205 00:55:26< loonycyborg> it didn't apply any other changes
20180205 00:55:29< Soliton> well, that just means we get redirected to the dev server.
20180205 00:55:43< Soliton> but that's perhaps why we didn't notice the issue before.
20180205 00:56:02< Soliton> since for master you do not get redirected.
20180205 00:56:47< Soliton> loonycyborg: we should talk to Ivanovic about pofix and clean out old changes.
20180205 00:58:48< Soliton> loonycyborg: so what commit since 1.3.10 broke redirection? :-)
20180205 01:01:49< loonycyborg> well the only changes to wesnothd I remember were about mp moderation
20180205 01:02:28< Soliton> should rather be client side.
20180205 01:02:45< Soliton> i've updated and restarted the trunk server and it redirects fine.
20180205 01:03:11< Soliton> there was some network stuff about the addon client. can that be related?
20180205 01:03:27< loonycyborg> and also cancel fix, but it shouldn't affect wesnothd
20180205 01:03:39< loonycyborg> since in client it's using a different codepath
20180205 01:04:00< Soliton> anyhow i really need to go to bed. someone tell vultraz that releasing now is not a good idea.
20180205 01:05:46< sevu> I still get stuck at the connection screen
20180205 01:08:49< Soliton> actually i opened an issue.
20180205 01:09:22 * Soliton tips hat.
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20180205 02:38:49< vultraz> celticminstrel: why would you downgrade the xcode project
20180205 02:44:48< celticminstrel> vultraz: Because it's just questionable for it to be upgraded beyond the minimum level of support.
20180205 02:44:55< vultraz> not so
20180205 02:45:07< vultraz> the codeblocks project was update to 14
20180205 02:45:42< vultraz> as long as someone's building with 11 to ensure we don't use 14 stuff, there's no reason an individual project can't build with 14
20180205 02:48:09< celticminstrel> Updating the CB project was also questionable.
20180205 02:48:15< celticminstrel> But I think it's less used, so...
20180205 02:48:47< vultraz> one person opened a PR to update it
20180205 02:48:53< vultraz> i don't even know if their changes work
20180205 02:49:44< celticminstrel> I'd be surprised if they didn't?
20180205 02:50:10< vultraz> *shrug*
20180205 02:50:16< vultraz> might remove the CB file in 1.15
20180205 02:50:41< vultraz> but anyway, as I said, as long as *something* is building with 11, having XCode or any other individual projectfile build with 14 is acceptable
20180205 02:50:53< vultraz> I said I signed off on the change :|
20180205 02:51:21< celticminstrel> Acceptable but still questionable.
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20180205 03:05:00< celticminstrel> So anyway, is loonycyborg still around?
20180205 03:06:32< vultraz> nope
20180205 03:13:40< celticminstrel> :(
20180205 03:26:28< vultraz> !(A || B || C) == !A && !B && !C right
20180205 03:30:37< celticminstrel> Yup.
20180205 03:30:45< celticminstrel> That's DeMorgan's Law.
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20180205 03:33:58< irker025> wesnoth/wesnoth:master Severin Glöckner 12039f3bfc MP: added some keys to scenarios with AI AppVeyor: All builds passed
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20180205 03:34:15< vultraz> jesus christ
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20180205 03:37:43<@vultraz> nevermind, I still don't know how to properly set akick flags and sudd
20180205 03:37:45<@vultraz> stuff
20180205 03:37:47-!- mode/#wesnoth-dev [-o vultraz] by vultraz
20180205 03:40:16< sevu>  /msg chanserv quiet <CHANNEL> <HOSTMASK>
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20180205 03:40:39< sevu> (wrote shadowm a few days ago)
20180205 04:05:20< vultraz> It’s the hostmask bit I never get right
20180205 05:08:40< celticminstrel> Whee, waiting on re-pot-update, whee... :/
20180205 05:08:56< vultraz> why re-pot?
20180205 05:09:04< vultraz> oh right, new strings
20180205 05:09:27< celticminstrel> Surrender dialog, basic placeholder dunefolk description, team names in some MP scenarios.
20180205 05:09:43< vultraz> hasn't the last not been done yet?
20180205 05:09:45< celticminstrel> What, was there some other reason the release hasn't yet been completed?
20180205 05:09:50< celticminstrel> https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/12039f3bfc8b0c8fb53fb210f3cb8d0bb0457ea2
20180205 05:11:22< vultraz> I don't really like the use of "and/or"
20180205 05:11:26< vultraz> in the surrender dialog
20180205 05:12:18< celticminstrel> What's the full string?
20180205 05:13:03< celticminstrel> Anyway, yes, the third one was done, and was there some other thing holding back tagging?
20180205 05:13:15< vultraz> title is
20180205 05:13:16< vultraz> "Surrender and/or quit game"
20180205 05:13:23< vultraz> message is
20180205 05:13:24< vultraz> "Do you want to surrender and/or quit the game?"
20180205 05:13:30< celticminstrel> Hmm.
20180205 05:13:37< vultraz> label is supposed to be titlecase 
20180205 05:13:48< celticminstrel> So you can surrender without quitting?
20180205 05:13:57< vultraz> No
20180205 05:14:01< vultraz> you can quit without surrendering 
20180205 05:14:08< celticminstrel> Okay?
20180205 05:15:15< celticminstrel> I think the title could just be "Surrender Game", and then the buttons could be "Surrender & Quit", "Just Quit", "Cancel"?
20180205 05:15:47< celticminstrel> Rephrasing the question to avoid and/or may be impossible though... at least, I can't think of anything good ATM.
20180205 05:15:55< vultraz> using &?
20180205 05:16:03< celticminstrel> Yeah, why not? It's a button.
20180205 05:16:18< celticminstrel> That's the sort of place & is appropriate.
20180205 05:16:21< vultraz> I think I'll just use "Quit"
20180205 05:16:25< vultraz> and not "Just Quit"
20180205 05:16:48< celticminstrel> I definitely prefer "Just Quit", but "Quit" is still not bad, I guess.
20180205 05:17:24< celticminstrel> There is a problem with and/or here though, in the question I mean.
20180205 05:17:30< celticminstrel> It implies you have four options.
20180205 05:17:35< celticminstrel> 1. Surrender, and quit the game.
20180205 05:17:47< celticminstrel> 2. Surrender, but do not quit the game (become an observer).
20180205 05:17:54< celticminstrel> 2. Quit the game, but do not surrender.
20180205 05:17:56< celticminstrel> ^3
20180205 05:18:03< celticminstrel> 4. Cancel; do not quit nor surrender.
20180205 05:19:00< vultraz> how about just "Do you really want to surrender and quit the game?"
20180205 05:19:08< celticminstrel> Option 2 could definitely be sensibly added IMO, but at present apparently it's not available, so the "and/or" is slightly misleading... then again, that may not be a major problem since the buttons clarify the actual choices.
20180205 05:19:12< celticminstrel> I guess that'll work.
20180205 05:19:50< celticminstrel> What was the effect of surrendering, anyway? All your units disappear or something?
20180205 05:19:57< vultraz> i don't remember
20180205 05:20:21< celticminstrel> Also it's presumably treated as your loss for the purpose of determining victory conditions.
20180205 05:20:35< vultraz> no, I think it's specifically recorded as a surrender
20180205 05:20:55< celticminstrel> Well, a surrender is a form of loss though.
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20180205 05:42:05< JyrkiVesterinen> I'm currently trying to investigate #2441.
20180205 05:42:40< vultraz> did I introduce it with my loading screen on mp connect refactoring?
20180205 05:42:46< JyrkiVesterinen> A debug build running under a debugger took so long to load that I thouhgt the game might already have hung, so I paused it under the debugger to check.
20180205 05:43:08< JyrkiVesterinen> It hadn't, loading just takes so damn long under these circumstances.
20180205 05:43:11< celticminstrel> So it's not just an artifact of the half-released state?
20180205 05:43:16< celticminstrel> Or is it?
20180205 05:43:34< JyrkiVesterinen> Anyway, the pausing shows that the game spends the vast majority of this time allocating and freeing config objects.
20180205 05:43:54< celticminstrel> Huh.
20180205 05:44:17< JyrkiVesterinen> (Mind you, this is with the debug heap manager, where every single memory allocation/release is followed by a memset in order to make use of uninitialized/freed memory easier to notice.)
20180205 05:44:45< JyrkiVesterinen> This indicates that if we want to reduce loading times in the future, config pooling would be very useful.
20180205 05:44:47< vultraz> perhaps it's trying to download the lobby state?
20180205 05:45:10< celticminstrel> Anyway, bedtime for me. Hope the release is finished by the time I awaken. >_>
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20180205 05:45:26< JyrkiVesterinen> That is, keeping a bunch of unused config objects around and allocating them from the pool instead of constantly creating and destroying them.
20180205 05:46:15< vultraz> you mean like... here, we've created... 10 config objects, use this one if you want it, and give it back when you're done?
20180205 05:46:27< JyrkiVesterinen> Indeed.
20180205 05:46:34< irker025> wesnoth: Charles Dang wesnoth:master 4c2cddaa9ef0 / data/gui/window/surrender_quit.cfg: Surrender Quit: clearer button/message text https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/4c2cddaa9ef06db13839242077b8daf3af68eb67
20180205 05:46:37< irker025> wesnoth: Charles Dang wesnoth:master 4f68df28ffa3 / data/multiplayer/scenarios/4p_A_New_Land.cfg: ANL: added team and enemy leader names (fixes #2442) https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/4f68df28ffa3e76b6f62a1f59e92ccc82bbbc0ba
20180205 05:47:16< irker025> wesnoth/wesnoth:master Charles Dang 4f68df28ff ANL: added team and enemy leader names ( AppVeyor: vs2013/Release Failed
20180205 05:47:17< irker025> Details: https://ci.appveyor.com/project/wesnoth/wesnoth/build/Wesnoth-VS2013-master-1274
20180205 05:47:25< vultraz> F A S T A S L I G H T N I N G
20180205 05:52:47< JyrkiVesterinen> I sent a call stack of #2441 to the GitHub issue.
20180205 05:53:10< JyrkiVesterinen> It doesn't seem to show anything useful, and I'm not going to investigate more at this time.
20180205 05:53:26< vultraz> oh my...
20180205 05:53:57< vultraz> well, this is definitely a blocker :|
20180205 06:13:10< irker025> wesnoth: Charles Dang wesnoth:master 9f0df10e2978 / projectfiles/VC12/ (wesnoth.vcxproj wesnoth.vcxproj.filters): Updated VS projectfile https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/9f0df10e297850341255f428e5346f8c9c879f14
20180205 06:47:12< Soliton> i think best bet is to revert the addon client (re-)connect changes and see if that helps.
20180205 06:48:34< Soliton> at least i think that shares code with mp server connection handling.
20180205 06:49:21< JyrkiVesterinen> It was the first thing I checked.
20180205 06:49:57< JyrkiVesterinen> The only shared part is the network transmission dialog: I changed it so that it no longer cancels the connection when closing if the player hasn't pressed the Cancel button.
20180205 06:50:16< JyrkiVesterinen> I had a breakpoint in network_transmission::post_show(). It wasn't hit.
20180205 06:50:31< Soliton> ok, no clue what else it could be then.
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20180205 06:56:39< vultraz> the mp connection process doesn't do anything with the network transmission dialog anymore
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20180205 09:07:35< Soliton> https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/50c9b52  this should be the commit that broke redirection. with that the handshake is not done again after redirection, we're only waiting for data.
20180205 09:08:02< Soliton> vultraz: ^
20180205 09:10:06< Soliton> a simple fix would probably be to just copy the handshake loop before continuing after redirect.
20180205 09:10:53< Soliton> (also remove that useless double assignment of sock.)
20180205 09:26:50< vn971> // offtopic. Cool, my new map managed to get 39 games on replays server, the first day it was published.
20180205 09:28:00< vn971> Pretty sad we don't have "trending" section, I would love some temporary visibility for my add-on while it manages to have a high downloads percent increase per week.
20180205 09:28:35< Soliton> http://knal.ga/
20180205 09:29:27< vn971> Soliton: I don't think this is really a solution because I bet less than 5% visit http://hnal.ga as often as they visit wesnoth client "addon" section.
20180205 09:29:44< Soliton> i wouldn't mind to run that on addons.wesnoth.org if someone wants to maintain that...
20180205 09:30:06< Soliton> but sure that's still not in wesnoth.
20180205 09:30:56< vn971> Soliton: so is it possible for addons.wesnoth.org to return an additional number "growth per week", and for wesnoth client to include this number as a column? (Because people could then sort by this column, if we add it.)
20180205 09:31:23< Soliton> the wesnoth client does not use the website.
20180205 09:31:30< JyrkiVesterinen> We don't really have room for more columns, I'm afraid.
20180205 09:31:52< Soliton> for the wesnoth client you'd have to add it directly into campaignd.
20180205 09:33:13< Soliton> so an easy first step would be to add it to the website. especially since someone already made something similar.
20180205 09:34:41< Soliton> speaking of addons.wesnoth.org someone could fix the size of the Icon column...
20180205 09:35:31< vn971> JyrkiVesterinen: indeed it's pretty tense already. I guess few people actually read version or author right from the main list. But if we try to move them to the right panel, that would be sacrifices still.
20180205 09:35:36< Soliton> apparently some people use ridiculously sized "icons".
20180205 09:37:12< vn971> Soliton: can't really find the git repo for "addons.wesnoth.org"  https://github.com/wesnoth
20180205 09:39:55< Soliton> wesnoth_addon_manager generates it.
20180205 09:40:45< Soliton> probably something in data/tools/addon_manager/html.py needs adjustement.
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20180205 09:59:45< vultraz> Soliton: I see. Thanks
20180205 10:00:05< vultraz> bit more complicated than that..
20180205 10:06:32< vultraz> oh turns out actually simple
20180205 10:08:58< irker025> wesnoth: Charles Dang wesnoth:master 70aec1d2989d / src/game_initialization/multiplayer.cpp: MP: fixed infinite loop on connecting to redirected server (fixes #2441) https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/70aec1d2989d22ec38afe976bd924b271db741bf
20180205 10:09:00< vultraz> Soliton: ^
20180205 10:29:55< Soliton> https://wiki.wesnoth.org/PBLWML#passphrase  the security note is not true anymore, right?
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20180205 10:38:13< vultraz> I don't think so?
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20180205 11:21:32< loonycyborg> So release soon again? I still need to do another pot-updat
20180205 11:21:48< vultraz> indeed
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20180205 11:22:35< loonycyborg> anyone stilll has string changes pending before release?
20180205 11:23:26< vultraz> i don't think so
20180205 11:24:38< JyrkiVesterinen> Soliton: the security note indeed is no longer true for 1.13: https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/e50ee3db41f8a08877030401a1d9f597ed17679e
20180205 11:24:45< JyrkiVesterinen> However, it remains true for 1.12.
20180205 11:26:13< Soliton> right, perhaps someone can clarify that on the wiki. then it can be removed at a (much) later time.
20180205 11:26:32< vultraz> why a much later time
20180205 11:27:10< Soliton> it's valid for the current stable version.
20180205 11:27:33< Soliton> so i'd say it can probably be removed when 1.16 comes out.
20180205 11:27:35< vultraz> so, we remove it when 1.14 comes out. Which is not "a much later time"
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20180205 11:33:41< vultraz> would anyone object to renaming all the files in data/tools to have proper .py extensions if they don't already
20180205 11:34:26< Soliton> yes.
20180205 11:35:04< vultraz> why
20180205 11:35:28< Soliton> http://www.talisman.org/~erlkonig/documents/commandname-extensions-considered-harmful/
20180205 11:35:42< vultraz> the hell is this site
20180205 11:36:27< vultraz> seriously, what the hell is this. it looks like it's from the 90's
20180205 11:36:41< Soliton> on that topic, does anyone know how the DevFeature on the wiki works exactly? IMO it'd be awesome if we can keep mentioning when some WML feature/syntax was introduced. so far it looks like we remove all those nice notes on a new stable release.
20180205 11:37:01< vultraz> we do
20180205 11:37:01< Soliton> (the wiki topic not file endings.)
20180205 11:38:35< JyrkiVesterinen> https://wiki.wesnoth.org/index.php?title=Template:DevFeature1.13&action=edit
20180205 11:38:50< JyrkiVesterinen> If you have questions about "how it works exactly", you need to be more specific.
20180205 11:40:36< Soliton> as in is it possible to just leave the notes as is. and add new macro for 1.15 or however that works.
20180205 11:40:48< vultraz> Sure.
20180205 11:40:50< vultraz> But why
20180205 11:41:29< Soliton> so that we document when some feature was introduced, not just for one dev cycle.
20180205 11:41:43< vultraz> does it really matter
20180205 11:42:05< Soliton> to you i'm sure it does not.
20180205 11:43:05< Soliton> some people f.e. try to resurrect old addons so that'd be surely helpful for them.
20180205 11:44:24< vultraz> also who added that note about pango markup..
20180205 11:44:28< vultraz> *removes*
20180205 11:47:35< irker025> wesnoth: Charles Dang wesnoth:master c2ead6e56bc5 / data/gui/window/addon_manager.cfg: Addons Manager: updated dialog title https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/c2ead6e56bc5c7df8736b6a252b3d93c70809101
20180205 11:55:04< irker025> wesnoth: Sofartin wesnoth:master d9d67f0b9566 / projectfiles/Xcode/Wesnoth.xcodeproj/project.pbxproj: Update Xcode project https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/d9d67f0b95664471c70a440958da441490cd224c
20180205 11:57:02< vultraz> zookeeper: thoughts on https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/pull/2414 
20180205 11:57:07< vultraz> he wants a review
20180205 11:57:09< vultraz> from you
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20180205 15:54:49< matthiaskrgr> what is pofix? 
20180205 15:55:27< shadowm> Soliton, JyrkiVesterinen: I backported the passphrase hashing to 1.12 campaignd ages ago. I decided to keep the note simply because I couldn't be bothered to replace it with a lecture on why reusing passwords is a bad idea.
20180205 15:56:06< shadowm> (Or choosing weak passwords. Someone wanted me to re-set their add-on's passphrase to "abc123" and I gave them a random passphrase instead.)
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20180205 15:59:08< shadowm> If you or someone else prefers to change it be my guest. I'm not great at writing documentation.
20180205 16:01:07< shadowm> Also you'll have to be more specific about the addons.w.o icon size issue, because I don't see it in either the 1.12 or 1.13 indices. Make sure to tell me your web browser, window size, and display dpi.
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20180205 16:03:33< vultraz> matthiaskrgr: utils/pofix.py
20180205 16:03:45< vultraz> script to propagate small updates to the translation files
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20180205 16:07:50< irker025> wesnoth: Charles Dang wesnoth:master 574fd0ec4bb1 / src/ (30 files in 11 dirs): Call display method instead of game_display if latter doesn't override https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/574fd0ec4bb119325c26c9a75e3459008c75ad6d
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20180205 18:32:53< irker025> wesnoth: Charles Dang wesnoth:master 2dc4352845d5 / src/ (game_config_manager.cpp game_launcher.cpp wesnoth.cpp): Rebuild image cache when reloading changed game config (fixes #2424) https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/2dc4352845d537634f48303c70b3cc0166af10c1
20180205 18:43:20 * JyrkiVesterinen is experimenting with config pooling 
20180205 18:43:29< JyrkiVesterinen> Just figured out a crash on startup.
20180205 18:44:38< JyrkiVesterinen> I was keeping configs in a vector. Thus, the game must have exhausted the configs in the vector, resized the vector, and the vector resize must have moved the existing configs elsewhere in memory.
20180205 18:44:56< JyrkiVesterinen> Just one thing... I had set the initiali size of the vector to 8192 elements.
20180205 18:45:13< JyrkiVesterinen> And this crash occurred early on startup, before even reaching the main menu.
20180205 18:45:47< JyrkiVesterinen> This shows that we're keeping tens of thousands of config objects in memory. >_<
20180205 18:49:55< vultraz> Oh my o.o
20180205 18:49:57< Soliton> wesnoth is built on configs. :-)
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20180205 19:22:15< loonycyborg> JyrkiVesterinen: pooling means using a pool allocator?
20180205 19:23:09< JyrkiVesterinen> No. Instead of using a C++ allocator, I just wrote a class that stores a list of configs and offers methods to allocate a config and release it back into the pool.
20180205 19:28:15< loonycyborg> What's the point of that? 
20180205 19:28:28< loonycyborg> Saving on creation/destruction?
20180205 19:28:41< JyrkiVesterinen> Avoiding memory allocations and deallocations.
20180205 19:28:45< loonycyborg> I wouldn't expect it to be high for an empty config
20180205 19:29:28< loonycyborg> also if you just store them in a list they would still do custom memory allocations
20180205 19:29:41< loonycyborg> since they seem to aggregate some std::vectors
20180205 19:30:15< JyrkiVesterinen> A vector doesn't release its memory on clearing.
20180205 19:31:02< JyrkiVesterinen> Once a config has used its vector for something, it may not need to allocate more memory later on, even if it passes through the pool in between.
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20180205 19:48:05< loonycyborg> JyrkiVesterinen: maybe it's possible to improve this even more with a custom allocator
20180205 19:48:49< JyrkiVesterinen> Maybe so, but this implementation is very simple (~60 lines).
20180205 19:49:11< loonycyborg> given how heavily we use config objects it's probably possible to save a lot of mallocs
20180205 19:49:21< loonycyborg> without disturbing existing code even
20180205 19:50:45< loonycyborg> hmm though need to study this more, there are particular conditions when pool allocator becomes advantageous
20180205 19:50:51< loonycyborg> and I'm not sure configs fit
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20180205 22:48:44< vn971> Interesting BTW. Wesnoth has certain types of terrain that have identical effect in game. Like, there are about 12 different types of forest. I wonder if there's any tool to work with terrain "temparature". Like you draw only grassland, hills, pine forest, caves and such. And they you edit temperature in large blocks, like making center "hot", or making south and north poles "cold".
20180205 22:51:07< vn971> Some hacks could probably be used to make hexes contacting Snow be "cold", hexes contacting Sand be "hot".
20180205 22:55:34< vn971> I guess the most natural place for that would be in Map Editor, a menu item for "temperature transformations" that would make terrain follow temperature pattern. Like with center/poles rules I described above.
20180205 22:56:23< vn971> Dunno, does this proposal "tick" with someone else? Should I try documenting etc, or is it too unclear and doubtful?
20180205 23:19:42< zookeeper> it sounds to me like the concept of temperatures like that would be way too fuzzy for a built-in editor feature
20180205 23:27:45< vn971> zookeeper: you may be right. Though the idea can be made strict and implementable if we limit it. Like, do not allow any "mouse" edits. Only have a menu for automatic terrain temp functions: make center hot (distant areas cold), make poles cold and equator hot, and just fix neighbours. Fixing neighbours would mean the following: If you have a "Frozen" terrain, disallow forests like tropical, make them snowy or at least "pine". If yo
20180205 23:27:45< vn971> u have lots of water, disallow prairie-like flat. Etc. Some easy fixes.
20180205 23:28:41< vn971> Fixes for neighbour hexes specifically, nothing too smart.
20180205 23:28:56< Soliton> sounds like a random map generator.
20180205 23:30:02< vn971> Soliton: but, in contrast to a map generator, it should not alter real terrain. Only visual stuff. Picking alternatives for forests, hills, flat, water etc.
20180205 23:30:24< irker025> wesnoth/wesnoth:master Sofartin 2ea1a265c0 Fixed Xcode project AppVeyor: 1/6 builds failed
20180205 23:30:25< irker025> Details vs2015/Release: https://ci.appveyor.com/project/wesnoth/wesnoth-7lnpw/build/Wesnoth-VS2015-master-1278
20180205 23:30:42< Soliton> oh, so like map post processing.
20180205 23:30:48< vn971> Soliton: yes!
20180205 23:32:22< Soliton> i tend to agree it sounds a bit niche and fuzzy though.
20180205 23:32:58< Soliton> so just a feature request is perhaps not too useful. if you're actually interested in working on it on the other hand... ;-)
20180205 23:34:03< vn971> OK. I'm not sure about it either TBH. I just know I do really strange work by making terrain alternations that could be partially automatic. But complexity might not worth it.
20180205 23:35:36< vn971> Soliton: I'm too scared of low-level coding, unfortunately.(
20180205 23:35:56< vn971> (I mean memory management.)
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