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20180209 10:45:35< irker659> wesnoth: Charles Dang wesnoth:master 9f22a563708d / / (7 files in 4 dirs): Theme: added [main_map_border] show_border= key to control whether map borders d https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/9f22a563708d1ae982f6a8782ace4306e224f446
20180209 10:45:35< irker659> wesnoth: Charles Dang wesnoth:master ff341cc8ee93 / changelog data/themes/_initial.cfg src/display.cpp: Theme: draw plain black bg if no [main_map_border] background_image= is given https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/ff341cc8ee938fe2d8036a60b53efd87468915a3
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20180209 11:25:25< irker659> wesnoth/wesnoth:master Victor Sergienko 39454ae84f Script to generate a WML with translatio AppVeyor: All builds passed
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20180209 13:38:06< irker659> wesnoth: Charles Dang wesnoth:master 8ebbcda0aa99 / src/gui/dialogs/addon/manager.cpp: Addon Manager: utilize std::map::at instead of custom impl https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/8ebbcda0aa995250981f35e707e95b2fd1f50317
20180209 13:38:09< irker659> wesnoth: Charles Dang wesnoth:master 3b6da9a23216 / / (4 files in 4 dirs): Addon Manager: include outdated addons in dependency check (fixes #1494) https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/3b6da9a23216340fcfa88b84b8c2338eb577b29f
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20180209 14:58:55< irker659> wesnoth: catagent101 wesnoth:master ff6fcb803ddf / data/multiplayer/scenarios/2p_Clearing_Gushes.cfg: Fix 2p - Clearing Gushes team names https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/ff6fcb803ddfb02dd5b09f3ab967dbcaa36919f9
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20180209 15:01:28< travis-ci> Build details : https://travis-ci.org/wesnoth/wesnoth/builds/339491644
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20180209 15:05:29< irker659> wesnoth: pentarctagon wesnoth:master 3cbf4aa40cbe / .travis.yml: Enables travis to cache scons' build/ directory. https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/3cbf4aa40cbeb0b40bea0500f2e1d7b00b62e219
20180209 15:06:13< Soliton> nice
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20180209 15:07:06< Soliton> well, apart from the silly `pwd` part.
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20180209 15:51:12< irker659> wesnoth: Wedge009 wesnoth:master e4730ef1bb07 / utils/pofix.py: Minor corrections to Dunefolk and Two Brothers text. https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/e4730ef1bb070af7fc6ad5ca15e37cb8ff860eae
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20180209 16:19:47< travis-ci> Build details : https://travis-ci.org/wesnoth/wesnoth/builds/339495018
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20180209 16:49:26< irker659> wesnoth: Charles Dang wesnoth:master e48f1050ca19 / data/core/images/maps/background.jpg: New HD *a'f* map background by @Lordbob https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/e48f1050ca194a0f0ebe7863bc5c4b48ad4664c8
20180209 16:49:59< matthiaskrgr> :D
20180209 16:53:57< matthiaskrgr> hmm I wonder if there will be scaling artifacts when using low reselutions with this 
20180209 16:54:05< vultraz> it is so HD it's over 6 MB large
20180209 16:54:09< vultraz> as a jpg
20180209 16:58:48< matthiaskrgr> wow loading the credits screen takes 8 seconds
20180209 16:58:52< matthiaskrgr> (with unoptimized build though)
20180209 16:59:05< vultraz> doesn't surprise me
20180209 17:00:21< vultraz> we use just about the least efficient method of displaying them as possible :P
20180209 17:01:07< vultraz> pre-rendering the entire damn thing onto two massive surfaces.
20180209 17:01:07< matthiaskrgr> needs more multithreading 
20180209 17:01:14< matthiaskrgr> read every character in parallel 
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20180209 17:06:03< vultraz> you'd need google's servers to run that many
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20180209 17:09:04 * matthiaskrgr fires up his RPI cluster
20180209 17:10:04< JyrkiVesterinen> Correction: we only use one surface by default.
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20180209 17:10:18< JyrkiVesterinen> Two are used only if the credits are too large to fit into one.
20180209 17:10:39< JyrkiVesterinen> (So much more efficient. Surely this way there is no problem at all. :P)
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20180209 17:23:03< irker659> wesnoth: Gunter Labes wesnoth:master 8ddef4b902af / .travis.yml: Add missing quotes and use env variable https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/8ddef4b902af2cd5ab5d2ebc78dc89ce81ced251
20180209 17:33:50< irker659> wesnoth: pentarctagon wesnoth:master c8200093b239 / SConstruct: Fixes LTO/PGO options not being used when ccache is enabled. https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/c8200093b239ad67afcba3cc07447343c5b0ae4f
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20180209 17:58:25< irker659> wesnoth/wesnoth:master Charles Dang ff341cc8ee Theme: draw plain black bg if no [main_m AppVeyor: All builds passed
20180209 17:58:37< matthiaskrgr> PGO'in wesnoth sounds interesting
20180209 17:58:45< matthiaskrgr> are there some autorun-scripts?
20180209 18:05:00< Soliton> to generate profile data? not that i'm aware.
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20180209 18:52:21< irker659> wesnoth: lundberg wesnoth:master 7ba6c80a2401 / src/scripting/lua_unit.cpp: Fix variable hides local variable warning https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/7ba6c80a2401360a865e336ee0a790f54661d140
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20180209 19:19:30< vultraz> zookeeper: new wooden bg 
20180209 19:20:44< zookeeper> there is? i don't see it
20180209 19:20:58< vultraz> did you pull
20180209 19:21:33< zookeeper> i dunno, last week maybe?
20180209 19:21:38< vultraz> you need to pull now
20180209 19:23:07< zookeeper> okay then
20180209 19:23:21< vultraz> t'is HD a'f
20180209 19:23:38< vultraz> the most HD of all HD wooden backgrounds
20180209 19:25:00< JyrkiVesterinen> The highest definition, you mean?
20180209 19:25:15< JyrkiVesterinen> It's more common to say "highest" than "Most high", you know. :P
20180209 19:27:35< vultraz> except "HD" is often used on its own rather than an abbreviation. 
20180209 19:27:53< vultraz> saying "the HD of all HD wooden backgrounds" sounds weird
20180209 19:28:03< stikonas> HDiest :D
20180209 19:28:40< vultraz> yup
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20180209 19:32:47< zookeeper> uh, okay, that looks interesting. was it done to the perspective spec?
20180209 19:33:15< vultraz> what perspective spec?
20180209 19:33:44< zookeeper> ...to have the perspective the maps have, obviously.
20180209 19:34:21< vultraz> well, I dunno, but I doubt it since LB did not know of such a spec. but it looks fine.
20180209 19:34:38< vultraz> ie, it doesn't look like the map is floating
20180209 19:34:43< zookeeper> LB just dropped that on your lap somewhere private without anyone actually discussing it first?
20180209 19:34:56< vultraz> Of course.
20180209 19:35:01< vultraz> We've been discussing it.
20180209 19:35:11< vn971> Nice. Most of the bugs you observe on 1.12 are actually fixed on 1.13. Saw a yet another example of that just now.
20180209 19:35:16< vultraz> We discussed it a few years back, actually.
20180209 19:35:33< zookeeper> yeah i vaguely remember that maybe i discussed it with someone a long time ago
20180209 19:35:35< vultraz> I then told you at the time he would make a new one
20180209 19:35:36< vn971> // Nobody knows how many bugs are there on 1.13 though because of the extremely "wide" release cycle.
20180209 19:35:41< vultraz> You said well vult why didn't you mention it
20180209 19:35:48< vultraz> And then everyone forgot
20180209 19:36:06< vultraz> then I remembered the other day and asked him about it
20180209 19:36:50< vultraz> and then a few hours ago he says hey what about this
20180209 19:36:58< vultraz> so i say damn, this looks good
20180209 19:37:00< vultraz> can i commit it
20180209 19:38:27< zookeeper> well, maybe LB had the smarts to figure out the perspective on his own, or at least close enough. but if you're going to ask LB to do something like that then it's puzzling why you'd not first ask the one person who would know if there are special considerations to take into account.
20180209 19:38:48< vultraz> well i didn't realize he would do it right away
20180209 19:39:26< vultraz> are we going to complain about a great-looking 4K image
20180209 19:40:50< vultraz> zookeeper: though now we're gonna need 4K map renderings :P
20180209 19:42:06< zookeeper> if it looks good in-game then it probably doesn't have any problem, but i'll look at it closer tomorrow... or the day after.
20180209 19:42:48< vultraz> it looks great in-game
20180209 19:43:25< vultraz> so, are 4K maps possible? Or would they need to be redone from scratch :(
20180209 19:46:28< zookeeper> upscaling with some kind of suitable post-processing to make them look less upscaled is the best you'll get from me for now.
20180209 19:49:00< vultraz> Acceptable, if the result looks good
20180209 19:55:55< Soliton> was it considered to add a license field to the addon list so it's easier for people to see the license of an addon?
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20180209 19:56:25< vultraz> Hm
20180209 19:56:28< vultraz> Possibly
20180209 19:56:38< vultraz> In the details area
20180209 19:57:28< Soliton> might prevent some frustation people will have with the new licenses.
20180209 19:57:46< Soliton> like when they look for assets they can use.
20180209 20:04:29< Soliton> do we have that info atm though? or do people just put some license file somewhere in their addon?
20180209 20:04:47< vn971> Soliton: I guess we don't. (My personal estimation.)
20180209 20:05:43< vn971> because the file that's shipped with the add-on is only a supplementary file, and the license itself can be stated in README, or in source files headers.
20180209 20:08:36< Soliton> then we should think hard about adding a pbl key to assign the license before 1.14 IMO. it can be a free form text field if it's difficult to list all allowed licenses.
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20180209 20:37:58< vn971> Soliton: I'm not sure about 1.14 because it's a feature (not bug), but I agree to the goal itself. I'd stick to a strict format if we do that though, especially since we limited licenses to be "GPL" (whatever that means) only. So now we can actually list all "gpl" licences we accept and check them on add-ons server.
20180209 20:38:36< Soliton> 1.14 because the license change was introduced for 1.14.
20180209 20:39:31< JyrkiVesterinen> Add-on code must be GPL, but for graphics and sound, Creative Commons licenses are also allowed.
20180209 20:39:42< Soliton> i don't consider it useful to get people frustrated for a stable version on rather important issues like that.
20180209 20:39:49< JyrkiVesterinen> A single add-on is even allowed to use multiple licenses for different parts.
20180209 20:39:51< vn971> something like "crates.io" and "cargo" (package archive and package manager for Rust) do. Though they use https://spdx.org/licenses/ which is strictly typed too, but has lots of licences besides GPL.
20180209 20:40:24< Soliton> sure, there needs to be a mixed licenses option. i'd hope that's going to be the exception though.
20180209 20:40:26< vn971> I'd use the https://spdx.org/licenses/ link as reference and include the subset we accept. (Point is - don't invent shortcuts, use standard abbreviations.)
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20180209 20:42:01< Soliton> i was under the impression we have a list of allowed licenses. as JyrkiVesterinen said the cc licenses.
20180209 20:42:16< vultraz>  any CC license
20180209 20:42:25< JyrkiVesterinen> https://wiki.wesnoth.org/Wesnoth:Copyrights#User_Made_Content_-_Code
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20180209 20:42:42< JyrkiVesterinen> GPL (any combination of versions) and CC (any).
20180209 20:43:13< Soliton> so a list of licenses sounds feasible, with some option for combinations or just "mixed".
20180209 20:43:54< JyrkiVesterinen> Yes, and at least most common combinations such as "GPLv2 or later" should be explicitly mentioned as options.
20180209 20:44:39< Soliton> such a list would also make it easy for people to see what is all possible without checking the wiki.
20180209 20:45:11< vn971> JyrkiVesterinen: yes. Something like "GPL-2.0-or-later", for example (that's how it's named on the page I linked to, if that matters).
20180209 21:05:09< irker659> wesnoth/wesnoth:master Sofartin bd7e535673 Xcode project now requires libreadline 7 AppVeyor: All builds passed
20180209 21:12:12< AI0867> coverity is now complaining about memory leaks in GCC's hashtable implementation?
20180209 21:13:47< vultraz> shrug shrug shrug!
20180209 21:14:35< matthiaskrgr> wut
20180209 21:21:14< irker659> wesnoth/wesnoth:master Sofartin 98542e862d Fixes in Fix_Xcode_Dependencies and in b AppVeyor: All builds passed
20180209 21:22:25< Soliton> pydsigner: any comment on the above license discussion?
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20180209 22:10:44< pydsigner> Soliton: let me get back to you on that tonight
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20180209 23:18:38< pydsigner> Soliton: I would guess rather that multiple licenses will be common
20180209 23:18:54< pydsigner> Since we're still demanding that the WML/Lua be GPL
20180209 23:21:39< pydsigner> vn971: I would do "GPLv2+" over more verbose strings
20180209 23:22:04< pydsigner> I think we're going to need to have separate PBL entries for code license and resource licensing
20180209 23:22:28< pydsigner> Or just have a resource licensing key
20180209 23:23:51< pydsigner> Thus avoiding confusion as to whether "GPLv3,CC-BY-SAv4+" includes any GPL assets
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