--- Log opened Mon Feb 26 00:00:39 2018
20180226 00:02:53< gfgtdf> vultraz: i tried to check wheterh the turn data on the server is still correct after my pr but i cannot find the current turn of the game in the lobby, is the a bug or expected?
20180226 00:03:04< vultraz>  what?
20180226 00:03:34< gfgtdf> iu cannot find the current turn of the game in gamelist in the lobby
20180226 00:03:48< gfgtdf> it used to say turn '6/30'
20180226 00:04:01< vultraz> ....well it should
20180226 00:04:08< vultraz> try the refresh button?
20180226 00:05:47< vultraz> i mean if it's not it's a BUG
20180226 00:05:49< vultraz> >_>
20180226 00:06:04< gfgtdf> hm it works on 1.13.11 release, so it migth be that i borke it on ym branch will check
20180226 00:06:28< vultraz> I made changes to it since master
20180226 00:06:31< vultraz> er
20180226 00:06:33< vultraz> on master
20180226 00:06:35< vultraz> since 1.13.11
20180226 00:06:50< vultraz> changed the data format and evertyhing
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20180226 00:08:13< vultraz> gfgtdf: if you're using local wesnothd that hasn't been rebuild in a bit that's also probably an issue
20180226 00:08:36< gfgtdf> my wesnothd was freshly build by appveyor today
20180226 00:08:43< vultraz> ok
20180226 00:08:57< vultraz> and your client?
20180226 00:09:31< vultraz> wait, are you working with a reloaded game?
20180226 00:09:50< gfgtdf> same, actuall it shows as soon at the ame reaches turn 2, whihc make it rather likeley that i borke it
20180226 00:09:57< gfgtdf> game*
20180226 00:10:22< vultraz> ehhhh
20180226 00:10:26< vultraz> maybe
20180226 00:17:53< celticminstrel> vultraz: Thoughts on deprecating speaker in SUF but not in [message]?
20180226 00:18:59< vultraz> what?
20180226 00:19:19< celticminstrel> It's weird that "speaker" is accepted in arbitrary unit filters, but it makes a lot of sense to use it in [message].
20180226 00:19:42< vultraz> it's...kinda absolutely mandatory in message=
20180226 00:19:45< vultraz> o_o
20180226 00:19:55< celticminstrel> I think accepting it at the filter level is a bit of a hack to allow it to work in message, but the message code could easily be updated to specifically check for it instead of relying on the filter.
20180226 00:20:26< celticminstrel> So, we could deprecate it in filters, but update the message code to test for it first and, if found, just look up that unit instead of invoking a filter.
20180226 00:20:34< vultraz> just remove it from filters
20180226 00:20:37< celticminstrel> (Unless people commonly use speaker in conjunction with other filter keys?)
20180226 00:20:39< vultraz> we never advertised it worked there
20180226 00:20:53< celticminstrel> Well, I'm okay with removing it from filters as long as people never relied on that.
20180226 00:21:50< vultraz> I'm not sure why I'm feeling rather spiteful and "IDFGAS" about breaking people's stuff r/n :|
20180226 00:22:13< celticminstrel> I guess I'll take it out of the filter schema, at least.
20180226 00:22:53< vultraz> like, literally, my attitude towards stuff like that is currently "you should never have done it (used speaker= in [filter]), so screw you, IDC if it breaks"
20180226 00:23:00< vultraz> but I don't know why
20180226 00:24:44< vultraz> t'is not a healthy attitude
20180226 00:29:05< gfgtdf> vultraz: i'll probably merge #2331 soon. I know we have a soft feature freeze but i really want to have this off my head, plus it was marked as miletstone 1.14 before.
20180226 00:29:24< vultraz> is that the turn number for next turn pr?
20180226 00:30:09< gfgtdf> ye
20180226 00:31:06< vultraz> ok
20180226 01:17:47< Soliton> celticminstrel: if you can tell me what exactly to grep for in [multiplayer_side] in addons i could do that.
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20180226 02:03:07< irker270> wesnoth/wesnoth:master Alexander van Gessel 790afe71e8 Add support for data URIs as images AppVeyor: vs2013/Debug Failed
20180226 02:03:08< irker270> Details: https://ci.appveyor.com/project/wesnoth/wesnoth/build/Wesnoth-VS2013-master-1620
20180226 02:07:50< celticminstrel> Soliton: Uhh. Is this about the... DescriptionWML?
20180226 02:08:26< Soliton> yes.
20180226 02:08:45< celticminstrel> Hmm. I guess what we'd need to find is a name attribute with two ='s so...
20180226 02:08:55< celticminstrel> name=.*=.*=.*
20180226 02:09:06< celticminstrel> Or actually, accounting for potential whitespace...
20180226 02:09:13< celticminstrel> name\s*=.*=.*=.*
20180226 02:10:01< celticminstrel> Maybe run grep with a little context (like -B3 or so) to make it easier to tell if each instance is indeed [multiplayer_side].
20180226 02:10:43< Soliton> i'm going to just look in multiplayer_side tags.
20180226 02:10:57< vultraz> celticminstrel: random idea: what if we add a pre-upload step that does a cursory parse of an addon and disallows uploading if it contains deprecated wml
20180226 02:11:23< celticminstrel> vultraz: Part 2 is a bad idea, but showing a warning might be okay.
20180226 02:11:37< vultraz> badidea?
20180226 02:12:01< celticminstrel> Forcing people to not use deprecated code. That's a bad idea, because it undermines the entire point of having a deprecation cycle.
20180226 02:12:18< vultraz> Well, it only forces them not to *upload* deprecated code
20180226 02:12:25< celticminstrel> Forcing them not to use deprecated code is no different from removing the deprecated features instantly.
20180226 02:12:27< vultraz> but I suppose it could be an "are you sure you want to upload"
20180226 02:12:28< vultraz> message
20180226 02:12:47< celticminstrel> If it's just a warning and doesn't prevent uploading, I could see it being potentially useful.
20180226 02:13:00< celticminstrel> Of course it can't be done for 1.14, because string freeze.
20180226 02:13:11< vultraz> "The addon you are trying to upload contains deprecated content. Are you sure you want to continue?" *insert log here* Yes/No buttons
20180226 02:13:46< celticminstrel> Including the log is likely not easily doable.
20180226 02:14:19< vultraz> why not? We'd need to parse the addon with the preprocessor in order to check its deprecated-ness
20180226 02:14:25< vultraz> so that would give a log
20180226 02:14:38< celticminstrel> Only if deprecation messages have already been enabled.
20180226 02:14:53< celticminstrel> Although, I guess if we had a separate stream similar to lg::wml_error which catches all deprecation messages regardless of level, I guess it could work, but... I think it's probably better to point them towards how to get a log themselves.
20180226 02:15:07< celticminstrel> (And I do think it should be possible to get a log without looking at the log file or console output.)
20180226 02:15:10< Soliton> Era_of_High_Sorcery/_main.cfg: name="&icons/scroll_red.png="+_"Wizards (v"+{EOHS_VERSION_STRING}+", "+{TYPE_NAME}+")"
20180226 02:15:12< vultraz> I thought you added such a stream?
20180226 02:15:32< celticminstrel> Nope.
20180226 02:15:38< vultraz> In your PR?
20180226 02:15:43< vultraz> Soliton: only that?
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20180226 02:15:56< Soliton> only hit for 1.12 addons, yes.
20180226 02:15:59< celticminstrel> Soliton: Uh, I only see two ='s in that, and one is the required one. So I don't think it's an issue.
20180226 02:16:07< vultraz> ok
20180226 02:16:12< vultraz> so no issue
20180226 02:16:12< celticminstrel> Though it depends what the macros expand to.
20180226 02:16:15< vultraz> or..
20180226 02:16:18< vultraz> oh dear
20180226 02:16:25< vultraz> what if one used MENU_IMG_TEXT
20180226 02:16:39< celticminstrel> There was MENU_TEXT too IIRC?
20180226 02:16:46< vultraz> not hat i recall
20180226 02:16:59< celticminstrel> Soliton: Maybe also grep name=.*MENU_IMG_TEXT.*
20180226 02:17:13< vultraz> actually, it's MENU_IMG_TXT
20180226 02:17:17< vultraz> or
20180226 02:17:18< celticminstrel> ^
20180226 02:17:18< vultraz> wait
20180226 02:17:19< vultraz> no no no
20180226 02:17:23< vultraz> we want MENU_IMG_TXT2
20180226 02:17:24< celticminstrel> I dunno, whichever it is.
20180226 02:17:30< vultraz> MENU_IMG_TXT is only the first two
20180226 02:17:34< celticminstrel> Sure.
20180226 02:17:37< vultraz> MENU_IMG_TXT2 has the extra undesirec column
20180226 02:17:39< vultraz> ...undires
20180226 02:17:45< vultraz> UNDESIRED
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20180226 02:17:58< vultraz> Soliton: please grep for MENU_IMG_TXT2
20180226 02:18:05< celticminstrel> So name=.*MENU_IMG_TXT2.*
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20180226 02:19:16< celticminstrel> vultraz: Anyway no, my PR doesn't add another log stream.
20180226 02:19:26< celticminstrel> It adds another log domain.
20180226 02:26:12< vultraz> I see
20180226 02:27:32< celticminstrel> Oh yeah, is [about]images= valid?
20180226 02:28:02< irker270> wesnoth: gfgtdf wesnoth:master 2e235f785da3 / src/ (9 files in 3 dirs): allow specifying the next player number in end_turn https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/2e235f785da30b5a5c3210c0dc3014417815493e
20180226 02:34:08< Soliton> Era_of_Freedom/faction/Saegewerk.cfg: name={MENU_IMG_TXT2 "units/elves-wood/elvish-fighter.png~TC(1,magenta)" _"Fighter" _"(easiest)"} +
20180226 02:35:17< vultraz> I seriously don’t know where that last text would have displayed before
20180226 02:35:27< vultraz> It doesn’t make sense
20180226 02:35:32< vultraz> This is the easiest faction?
20180226 02:35:43< vultraz> Or maybe it means it has the strongest leaders...
20180226 02:35:45< celticminstrel> ...Fighter is a faction?
20180226 02:36:03< vultraz> Good point
20180226 02:36:12< vultraz> Then it’s more confusing :p
20180226 02:36:24< celticminstrel> Did that actually appear in [multiplayer_side] or is there some other place where that would've made sense? Maybe [set_menu_item]?
20180226 02:36:36< vultraz> celticminstrel: no, images in about doesn’t work anymore, it only shows the first image and not the rest
20180226 02:36:48< Soliton> next lines: ";*" + {MENU_IMG_TXT "units/elves-wood/elvish-hero.png~TC(1,magenta)" _"Hero"} + ";" + {MENU_IMG_TXT2 "units/elves-wood/elvish-champion.png~TC(1,magenta)" _"Champion" _"(hardest)"}
20180226 02:36:50< celticminstrel> vultraz: Uh, doesn't that mean it is valid?
20180226 02:37:05< celticminstrel> Soliton: What about previous lines?
20180226 02:37:28< Soliton> id=Saegewerk?
20180226 02:37:36< Soliton> not sure what you're asking.
20180226 02:37:44< vultraz> celticminstrel: I think that’s the key, yes
20180226 02:37:47< celticminstrel> Well, what's the containing tag?
20180226 02:38:00< Soliton> multiplayer_side
20180226 02:38:15< Soliton> inside era
20180226 02:38:28< vultraz> Ok that’s...weird
20180226 02:38:29< celticminstrel> That's really weird... I kinda doubt that worked even in 1.12? 
20180226 02:38:43< vultraz> Well I think we don’t need to deal with column 3
20180226 02:38:52< vultraz> I can add legacy handling for column2
20180226 02:39:18< celticminstrel> I think in the presence of a column3 I'd just concatenate the two columns.
20180226 02:39:24< celticminstrel> With a space between or something/
20180226 02:39:31< celticminstrel> It's no extra work, after all.
20180226 02:39:57< vultraz> Blah. Alright, alright.
20180226 02:40:37< vultraz> Perhaps you can fix the credits images ?
20180226 02:40:43< celticminstrel> We should also convert older deprecation messages to use the deprecation_message function.
20180226 02:40:54< celticminstrel> I dunno. Can you open (or find) an issue and assign it to me?
20180226 02:41:01< vultraz> Though I don’t know if we should
20180226 02:41:04< celticminstrel> I can at least look at it at some point.
20180226 02:41:08< vultraz> Since we can’t do image crossfade
20180226 02:41:19< celticminstrel> Uh, why can't we do image crossfade?
20180226 02:41:38< vultraz> Because we don’t have accelerated rendering
20180226 02:42:46< vultraz> Likely too performance-heavy to do it with sw
20180226 02:44:46< vultraz> I’m not even sure how one does it ...
20180226 02:45:04< vultraz> Do you render two images and raduakkt fade one out
20180226 02:45:07< vultraz> ...
20180226 02:45:10< vultraz> GRADUALLY
20180226 02:45:32< vultraz> or do you render one to 50% then start rendering in the other from 0%
20180226 02:47:40< celticminstrel> I guess you'd render both images.
20180226 02:47:54< celticminstrel> But multiple one's alpha by 0.0 and the other's by 1.0
20180226 02:48:00< celticminstrel> Then gradually invert that.
20180226 02:48:28< celticminstrel> (That's assuming float-colors, obviously with int-colors it'd be 0 and 255 or 256.)
20180226 02:50:49< vultraz> But it would require a lot of continuous processing which we can’t do with sw rendering
20180226 02:51:19< vultraz> So either reimplement the multiple images but with no crossfade or leave it as it is
20180226 03:02:32< celticminstrel> When I start a campaign, I get a loading screen. Then the titlescreen comes back for a moment, and the loading screen resumes.
20180226 03:03:06< vultraz> Known
20180226 03:03:09< vultraz> Very hard to fix
20180226 03:14:59< celticminstrel> By the way, has any decision made about whether OoA will be mainlined at some unspecified future time?
20180226 03:15:06< celticminstrel> ^been made
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20180226 03:44:59< irker270> wesnoth/wesnoth:master Alexander van Gessel 790afe71e8 Add support for data URIs as images AppVeyor: 1/6 builds failed
20180226 03:45:00< irker270> Details vs2013/Debug: https://ci.appveyor.com/project/wesnoth/wesnoth/build/Wesnoth-VS2013-master-1620
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20180226 04:06:14< celticminstrel> After pruning, I still have over 600 lines of errors and possible errors. :(
20180226 04:06:48< celticminstrel> That said, I think this is good enough for preliminary review, so I'm gonna push it now.
20180226 04:12:02< irker270> wesnoth: Celtic Minstrel wesnoth:schema f09691c27c4a / / (41 files in 9 dirs): Implement validation of the core game config WML https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/f09691c27c4a7fb0632b380f468d86eda7b8eb58
20180226 04:29:27< celticminstrel> Also once that's merged (which won't be soon though) those files desperately need formatting cleanup.
20180226 05:02:20< vultraz> celticminstrel: kwandulin has expressed hesitation given the recent direction we've taken the dunefolk
20180226 05:02:38< vultraz> ie, he (understandably) doesn't want to rewrite his lore.
20180226 05:03:03< celticminstrel> Hmm. That's a shame though.
20180226 05:03:15< celticminstrel> Maybe his drake campaign could be mainlined instead.
20180226 05:04:00< vultraz> celticminstrel: could you remove the [portrait] schema
20180226 05:04:04< vultraz> entry
20180226 05:04:42< vultraz> this is an impressive amount of work
20180226 05:04:54< celticminstrel> I guess you didn't actually look at the schema, because there is no such entry in it.
20180226 05:05:19< vultraz> https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/blob/e270a7c6656cbebdfe16b782a93acb23a2e0b94e/data/schema.cfg#L222-L227
20180226 05:06:13< celticminstrel> Oh, that's a link to the old schema. I deleted that.
20180226 05:06:35< vultraz> great :D
20180226 05:07:04< celticminstrel> Like, the entire file is just gone.
20180226 05:07:25< celticminstrel> I want to write a schema for the schema format too. >_>
20180226 05:07:58< vultraz> and then a schema for the schema schema?
20180226 05:08:27< celticminstrel> Haha. No, the schema schema would be written in the schema format. :P
20180226 05:08:36< celticminstrel> IOW, the schema format can represent itself.
20180226 05:09:30< vultraz> somethingI've also been pondering is a gradual reduction in the use of config objects
20180226 05:09:33< vultraz> for example
20180226 05:09:38< vultraz> instead of keeping a config
20180226 05:09:47< vultraz> you keep a struct which is populated by the config
20180226 05:09:56< vultraz> like I did with ability_metadata
20180226 05:10:02< celticminstrel> gfgtdf was doing a bit in that direction, with the unit class IIRC.
20180226 05:10:16< vultraz> which i still need to make use of in `unit`...
20180226 05:11:10< celticminstrel> Of course some things do need to be a config, like the unit variables.
20180226 05:11:29< vultraz> or vconfig
20180226 05:12:11< celticminstrel> Well, a vconfig is basically a config.
20180226 05:12:17< vultraz> but I've been noticing there's a lot of hassle generated by relying on config names across multiple classes
20180226 05:12:23< vultraz> because you don't get *ANY* validation
20180226 05:12:35< vultraz> except lack of workingness
20180226 05:12:35< vultraz> ....
20180226 05:12:43< vultraz> except when it doesn't work*
20180226 05:12:47< vultraz> >_<
20180226 05:12:55< vultraz> I know english I swear!
20180226 05:13:03< celticminstrel> Haha
20180226 05:13:20< celticminstrel> I didn't even consider that one worth correcting though.
20180226 05:13:32< vultraz> but in case something breaks, like what happened with the addon_title stuff I was working on
20180226 05:13:43< vultraz> you need to trace where the config is populated
20180226 05:14:27< vultraz> Anura got around this problem by having a strictly-typed, no-unknown-tags system (I think)
20180226 05:14:47< vultraz> I had been considering if at some point we should write out class prototypes in WML
20180226 05:15:08< vultraz> but i guess the schema stuff supersedes it?
20180226 05:15:15< celticminstrel> I dunno.
20180226 05:17:33< vultraz> but good work in this!
20180226 05:17:42< vultraz> you have more patience than i have
20180226 05:18:04< vultraz> if someone asked me to write a gc schema I'd say ehhh ask celmin to do it :P
20180226 05:18:14< celticminstrel> gc?
20180226 05:18:25< vultraz> game config
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20180226 05:29:35< travis-ci> wesnoth/wesnoth#16646 (schema - f09691c : Celtic Minstrel): The build has errored.
20180226 05:29:35< travis-ci> Build details : https://travis-ci.org/wesnoth/wesnoth/builds/346132926
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20180226 06:02:38< vultraz> (copied from Discord): I'm going to be taking a 2 week break from wesnoth. While i'm going jyrkive's in charge. I'm still going to be on discord, so I can be reached if very necessary, but I won't be focusing on this server.
20180226 06:02:41< vultraz> celticminstrel: ^
20180226 06:02:46< vultraz> gone*
20180226 06:03:05< celticminstrel> 'kay
20180226 06:04:36< vultraz> I'm aware I've been an ass recently. I'm sorry. Hopefully I'll be less stressed when I return.
20180226 06:12:04< vn971> vultraz: hf with whatever you're planning to do.)
20180226 06:13:07< vultraz> Need to catch up on some school stuff
20180226 06:21:50< vn971> vultraz: then good luck instead of "hf".
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20180226 11:41:16< irker178> Details: https://ci.appveyor.com/project/wesnoth/wesnoth/build/Wesnoth-VS2013-schema-1626
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20180226 12:58:10< irker178> Details vs2013/Release: https://ci.appveyor.com/project/wesnoth/wesnoth/build/Wesnoth-VS2013-schema-1626
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20180226 13:33:30< irker178> Details: https://ci.appveyor.com/project/wesnoth/wesnoth-7lnpw/build/Wesnoth-VS2015-master-1614
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20180226 14:51:55< irker178> Details vs2013/Release: https://ci.appveyor.com/project/wesnoth/wesnoth/build/Wesnoth-VS2013-master-1627
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20180226 15:33:29< irker178> wesnoth: Alexander van Gessel wesnoth:master 442890679f76 / src/ (image.cpp image.hpp): Add support for data URIs as images https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/442890679f766239c3ebe65087f56065e73ebd59
20180226 15:33:31< irker178> wesnoth: Alexander van Gessel wesnoth:master f70c311c6d36 / src/ (image.cpp image.hpp): Merge pull request #2544 from AI0867/data_uri_image https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/f70c311c6d36f4d5ca3722739cb039c716aa3c58
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20180226 19:34:46< irker393> wesnoth/wesnoth:master Alexander van Gessel f70c311c6d Merge pull request #2544 from AI0867/dat AppVeyor: All builds passed
20180226 19:40:46< irker393> wesnoth: Steve Cotton wesnoth:master 8354eff5e460 / data/campaigns/Legend_of_Wesmere/utils/deaths.cfg: LoW Prevent the 'generic loyal' last breath triggering for main characters https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/8354eff5e460c5685ad70cb267e7dffa5befbe97
20180226 19:40:48< irker393> wesnoth: gfgtdf wesnoth:master 1fed80535e0f / data/campaigns/Legend_of_Wesmere/utils/deaths.cfg: Merge pull request #2557 from stevecotton/low_deaths https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/1fed80535e0fa1602185e8f68991cabed1c50f3e
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20180226 21:59:16< zookeeper> AI0867, could your URI test add-ons also contain the (passwordless) .pbl file so one could actually see how you're supposed to use the feature?
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20180226 22:02:25< Soliton> data:image/png;base64,<png in base64>
20180226 22:07:14< zookeeper> still, a proven-to-work live example is quite indispensable.
20180226 22:14:33< Soliton> https://jsfiddle.net/gd1df0pa/3/
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20180226 22:43:10< Soliton> if you can see the red dot on the addon server as well now AI0867 implemented it right.
20180226 22:56:48< Soliton> i'd suggest to also add a variant where you just give the path to a local image file and wesnoth does the data URI internally.
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20180226 23:49:15< irker683> wesnoth/wesnoth:master gfgtdf 1fed80535e Merge pull request #2557 from stevecotto AppVeyor: All builds passed
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