--- Log opened Fri Feb 02 00:00:50 2018 20180202 00:01:23<+wesnoth-discord-> @Not Hamel sorry was busy you still up for game 20180202 00:02:05<+wesnoth-discord-> Sure. It's fine. 20180202 00:02:21<+wesnoth-discord-> @Meta Mirage want to join or 20180202 00:02:29<+wesnoth-discord-> I'll go get on Wesnoth. 20180202 00:02:39<+wesnoth-discord-> alright 20180202 00:04:03<+wesnoth-discord-> ingame name? 20180202 00:04:17<+wesnoth-discord-> Just a sec 20180202 00:07:25<+wesnoth-discord-> Connecting now. 20180202 00:07:32<+wesnoth-discord-> Not-Hamel-5995 20180202 00:07:52<+wesnoth-discord-> (server name) 20180202 00:07:52<+wesnoth-discord-> That looks like a phone hotline lol xD 20180202 00:07:58<+wesnoth-discord-> XD 20180202 00:08:18<+wesnoth-discord-> you hosting? 20180202 00:08:20<+wesnoth-discord-> @M4SK3D D3M0N Do you wanna set it up? 20180202 00:08:24<+wesnoth-discord-> Oh XD 20180202 00:08:30<+wesnoth-discord-> lol jinx or i can 20180202 00:08:37<+wesnoth-discord-> If you want to, sure. 20180202 00:08:53<+wesnoth-discord-> what map 20180202 00:09:08<+wesnoth-discord-> oh. What version are you playing on? 20180202 00:09:16<+wesnoth-discord-> just to check 20180202 00:09:21<+wesnoth-discord-> 1.12.6 20180202 00:09:30<+wesnoth-discord-> same. 20180202 00:09:39<+wesnoth-discord-> I'm fine with any map. 20180202 00:09:58<+wesnoth-discord-> Have fun on your date guys :) 20180202 00:10:02<+wesnoth-discord-> lol jk XDD 20180202 00:10:32<+wesnoth-discord-> done just have to join 20180202 00:10:44<+wesnoth-discord-> Whats your server name? 20180202 00:11:01<+wesnoth-discord-> Or the game name. 20180202 00:11:20<+wesnoth-discord-> Wilderlands map? 20180202 00:11:26<+wesnoth-discord-> yea 20180202 00:13:03<+wesnoth-discord-> There. Just gotta get a couple other players. 20180202 00:13:21-!- Haudegen [~quassel@212-186-77-29.static.upcbusiness.at] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180202 00:25:44-!- soloojos [~soloojos@gateway/tor-sasl/soloojos] has joined #wesnoth 20180202 00:39:25-!- celticminstrel [~celmin@unaffiliated/celticminstrel] has joined #wesnoth 20180202 00:57:58-!- soloojos [~soloojos@gateway/tor-sasl/soloojos] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180202 00:59:14-!- soloojos [~soloojos@gateway/tor-sasl/soloojos] has joined #wesnoth 20180202 01:10:35<+wesnoth-discord-> Sorry I had to leave. Like I said, something came up, and it turned into a bigger thing. 20180202 01:13:59<+wesnoth-discord-> Had to resolve the issue. 20180202 01:16:07-!- soloojos [~soloojos@gateway/tor-sasl/soloojos] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180202 01:17:39-!- soloojos [~soloojos@gateway/tor-sasl/soloojos] has joined #wesnoth 20180202 01:25:27<+wesnoth-discord-> How'd it go? 20180202 01:35:40<+wesnoth-discord-> mewmoo died so we stoped the game lol 20180202 01:35:55<+wesnoth-discord-> Oh lol. 20180202 01:36:05<+wesnoth-discord-> Did you kill him or AI? 20180202 01:36:19<+wesnoth-discord-> AI 20180202 01:36:38<+wesnoth-discord-> zombie XD 20180202 01:36:41<+wesnoth-discord-> Side 5? 20180202 01:36:44<+wesnoth-discord-> oh XD 20180202 01:37:05<+wesnoth-discord-> my leader probably died XD 20180202 01:37:29<+wesnoth-discord-> got plenty of scorpions and wolves nearby when I left 20180202 01:37:44<+wesnoth-discord-> and a whole chamber of zombies. 20180202 01:38:32<+wesnoth-discord-> never saw your faction but did see purple 20180202 01:39:06<+wesnoth-discord-> Oh. ok. 20180202 01:39:24<+wesnoth-discord-> Yeah i saw a purple ghoul nearing when i left 20180202 01:39:51<+wesnoth-discord-> Should do a rematch some point 20180202 01:40:21<+wesnoth-discord-> Yeah. 20180202 01:40:22<+wesnoth-discord-> Did you have to fight the skeletal dragon? 20180202 01:41:01<+wesnoth-discord-> yes and a yeti right next to it lol 20180202 01:41:09<+wesnoth-discord-> oh XD 20180202 01:41:21<+wesnoth-discord-> Did you kill them or leave before? 20180202 01:41:54<+wesnoth-discord-> killed them as had a few level 2s 20180202 01:42:00<+wesnoth-discord-> oh cool 20180202 01:42:24<+wesnoth-discord-> yea 20180202 01:42:38<+wesnoth-discord-> Yeah i had a spider right at me from the start. 20180202 01:42:52<+wesnoth-discord-> It killed a couple of my Arifs. 20180202 01:43:27<+wesnoth-discord-> ah yea their a pain 20180202 01:43:34<+wesnoth-discord-> yeah 20180202 01:43:36<+wesnoth-discord-> But I killed it and got a Ghazi 20180202 01:43:44<+wesnoth-discord-> nice 20180202 01:44:30<+wesnoth-discord-> anyway nearly 3:00 in the morning for me so off to bed lol 20180202 01:44:39<+wesnoth-discord-> oh lol 20180202 01:44:50<+wesnoth-discord-> 6:44 pm here 20180202 01:44:52<+wesnoth-discord-> cya 20180202 01:45:15<+wesnoth-discord-> lucky lol see you 20180202 01:46:30< celticminstrel> @Pentarctagon https://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?p=622983#p622983 20180202 01:47:09-!- Xara [~yangyf@2001:cc0:2020:4010:4cd0:93ce:25c6:8c52] has joined #wesnoth 20180202 01:47:33-!- Xara is now known as Guest98776 20180202 01:47:50<+wesnoth-discord-> celticminstrel: The falcon poll already is up: https://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=47773 20180202 01:47:55<+wesnoth-discord-> what's that? 20180202 01:48:00<+wesnoth-discord-> oh 20180202 01:48:07<+wesnoth-discord-> didn't gain much traction 20180202 01:48:08< celticminstrel> Oh. 20180202 01:48:28< celticminstrel> Aww. 20180202 01:48:36<+wesnoth-discord-> Why'd the Falcon get renamed too? 20180202 01:48:37<+wesnoth-discord-> I don't disagree with the idea personally, but I think it would be better as a new unit rather than a rename 20180202 01:48:51<+wesnoth-discord-> other things use the falcon too, IIRC 20180202 01:48:58<+wesnoth-discord-> Oh ok. 20180202 01:49:41<+wesnoth-discord-> and yes, the Khalid's shield bash was already renamed 20180202 01:50:04< celticminstrel> I edited the post in light of the falcon poll. 20180202 01:50:09<+wesnoth-discord-> that was an easy one, seeing as it doesn't have a shield 20180202 01:50:10<+wesnoth-discord-> xD 20180202 01:50:18<+wesnoth-discord-> Yeah, kinda wondered that too. 20180202 01:50:19<+wesnoth-discord-> XD 20180202 01:50:33<+wesnoth-discord-> He has 2 swords, but no shield. 20180202 01:50:36<+wesnoth-discord-> Personally, I love the Khalifate and their names, but I see it's rather confusing to see Arif rather than Swordsman to new players. 20180202 01:51:00<+wesnoth-discord-> Khalifate -> Dunefolk now 😛 20180202 01:51:09<+wesnoth-discord-> Oh yeah I heard. 20180202 01:51:24<+wesnoth-discord-> Just used to Khalifate. 20180202 01:51:36<+wesnoth-discord-> But Dunefolk does sound fitting. 20180202 01:52:28<+wesnoth-discord-> Kinda like me with character names. 20180202 01:52:40<+wesnoth-discord-> They just have to sound...right. 20180202 01:52:53<+wesnoth-discord-> And Dunefolk sounds fitting to me. 20180202 01:54:01<+wesnoth-discord-> Is the main reason for the change the confusion with new players? 20180202 01:54:59<+wesnoth-discord-> Like the Arif/Swordsman thing I mentioned. 20180202 01:55:56<+wesnoth-discord-> Not really confusion per se, but the names were not descriptive, while other unit names are. You can pretty well guess what an Elvish fighter does, but much less so with Arif. 20180202 01:56:39<+wesnoth-discord-> Also, the current names are Arabic in the English version, so they were never translated to other languages either, whereas other unit names are translated. 20180202 01:56:41<+wesnoth-discord-> Ahh. I see. 20180202 01:57:21<+wesnoth-discord-> So, the names are actual Arabic words? 20180202 01:57:36<+wesnoth-discord-> Instead of Arabic-sounding words? 20180202 01:58:30<+wesnoth-discord-> that is my understanding 20180202 01:58:31<+wesnoth-discord-> https://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=46736 20180202 01:58:39<+wesnoth-discord-> Ahh. 20180202 01:58:56<+wesnoth-discord-> Sometimes I use Latin for character names. 20180202 01:59:41<+wesnoth-discord-> Like I use an adjective of the character and put it thru google translate until I find one that sounds right. 20180202 02:00:31<+wesnoth-discord-> Kind of like the Arabic names. 20180202 02:01:59<+wesnoth-discord-> Yeah, it took me several tries to figure them out. 20180202 02:04:36-!- soloojos [~soloojos@gateway/tor-sasl/soloojos] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180202 02:05:08-!- soloojos [~soloojos@gateway/tor-sasl/soloojos] has joined #wesnoth 20180202 02:05:27<+wesnoth-discord-> yeah, that's the issue that'll hopefully be solved 😃 20180202 02:06:19<+wesnoth-discord-> Yeah. The names are unique, but don't fit in with the style of names in Wesnoth. 20180202 02:07:12<+wesnoth-discord-> Like almost every unit has [race] [type of unit], like Orcish Grunt. 20180202 02:07:30<+wesnoth-discord-> And none of them quite fit that. 20180202 02:07:42<+wesnoth-discord-> (Besides humans, since we are humans) 20180202 02:08:44<+wesnoth-discord-> yup. though like I said in one of the threads, if the game were made by Saurians, all the human units would probably have the Human prefix. 20180202 02:08:56<+wesnoth-discord-> also there would probably be a lot more Saurians and a lot fewer humans 20180202 02:09:01<+wesnoth-discord-> Yeah. 20180202 02:10:18<+wesnoth-discord-> That's a main reason why there are only 2 dwarvish and 3 elvish campaigns, and only 1 orcish and undead one, when there are 7 human ones. 20180202 02:10:24<+wesnoth-discord-> (I think) 20180202 02:11:38<+wesnoth-discord-> well, that, and even just looking at the unit type count in the ingame help 20180202 02:11:55<+wesnoth-discord-> Yeah. 20180202 02:12:07< clavi> Can I release custom maps under any license I want? 20180202 02:12:27<+wesnoth-discord-> Maps would be under the GPL. 20180202 02:12:49< clavi> even if I make my own? 20180202 02:13:05<+wesnoth-discord-> https://wiki.wesnoth.org/Wesnoth:Copyrights#User_Made_Content_-_Code "This also includes data files, such as maps, as well as story content." 20180202 02:13:50< Guest98776> why would you want to release custom maps on other license? 20180202 02:13:54<+wesnoth-discord-> You can license them under whatever you want, but if you upload them to the official add-ons server, they must be GPL. 20180202 02:14:35< clavi> for example if I make a map pack that I distribute myself and I want it to be Creative Commons, public domain, or any other license 20180202 02:15:14< celticminstrel> You can dual-license them though. 20180202 02:16:40< clavi> so e.g. distribute as GPLv3 via the official add-on server, and as CC myself? 20180202 02:16:51< celticminstrel> Yeah. 20180202 02:16:55< clavi> okay thanks 20180202 02:17:07< celticminstrel> I have my campaign on github and IIRC specify that it's not GPL. 20180202 02:17:27< celticminstrel> Or more specifically, only released versions are GPL. 20180202 02:18:10<+wesnoth-discord-> if you distribute yourself, the only thing is you can't make money off of it, I think 20180202 02:18:22<+wesnoth-discord-> if it's to be with wesnoth 20180202 02:18:48<+wesnoth-discord-> (not entirely sure, but I think this is the case?) 20180202 02:19:07< celticminstrel> I think technically you could, as long as you use entirely custom assets (sounds, images, etc). 20180202 02:19:33<+wesnoth-discord-> I suppose in that case you could 20180202 02:19:44< celticminstrel> (I wouldn't recommend it though.) 20180202 02:21:53<+wesnoth-discord-> Ahh. Just realized I forgot SotA was mainlined in 1.13. 20180202 02:22:05<+wesnoth-discord-> So that would be 2 undead campaigns. 20180202 02:22:18<+wesnoth-discord-> But yeah, you get the point. 20180202 02:23:20< celticminstrel> I guess with the string freeze coming up it means OoA won't be mainlined in time for 1.14. 20180202 02:23:35<+wesnoth-discord-> Was that a possibility? 20180202 02:23:45< celticminstrel> (Not sure if it's been decided to mainline it at all, but there was some talk of it as a possibility.) 20180202 02:23:51<+wesnoth-discord-> OoA? 20180202 02:23:51<+wesnoth-discord-> neat 20180202 02:23:57<+wesnoth-discord-> Oath of Allegiance 20180202 02:23:59<+wesnoth-discord-> Oath of Alliance? 20180202 02:24:02<+wesnoth-discord-> Oh ok. 20180202 02:24:08<+wesnoth-discord-> Heard of it once. 20180202 02:24:16< celticminstrel> A khalifate campaign. 20180202 02:24:17<+wesnoth-discord-> Dwarven campaign, right? 20180202 02:24:21<+wesnoth-discord-> xD 20180202 02:24:21< celticminstrel> XD 20180202 02:24:25<+wesnoth-discord-> Oh. Nevermind. 20180202 02:24:28<+wesnoth-discord-> XD 20180202 02:24:33<+wesnoth-discord-> Forgot. 20180202 02:24:53<+wesnoth-discord-> But it would be cool to get one in for the Khalifs/Dunies. 20180202 02:25:10<+wesnoth-discord-> I think a Drake one would be neat too. 20180202 02:25:17<+wesnoth-discord-> IMO. 20180202 02:25:19< celticminstrel> It would be cool, but it can't be done after string freeze, which gives two days to do it IIRC. Maybe four days. 20180202 02:25:34< celticminstrel> Somewhere in that range, anyway. 20180202 02:25:36<+wesnoth-discord-> I dunno. 20180202 02:25:44<+wesnoth-discord-> https://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=41463&start=285#p620665 20180202 02:25:44< celticminstrel> I don't think it could be completed in that time. 20180202 02:26:00<+wesnoth-discord-> it still isn't back up on the 1.13 add-ons server either 20180202 02:26:11<+wesnoth-discord-> Okay. 20180202 02:27:14<+wesnoth-discord-> Though if we're talking about adding brand new stuff late into a beta, it probably wouldn't take much to convince @Vultraz 20180202 02:27:16<+wesnoth-discord-> 😛 20180202 02:27:44<+wesnoth-discord-> Lol 20180202 02:27:50< celticminstrel> <_< 20180202 02:27:55<+wesnoth-discord-> >_> 20180202 02:28:16<+wesnoth-discord-> Also, semi-relatedly, the final Dunefolk names are up: https://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=47704 20180202 02:29:19< celticminstrel> Ugh, warmaster. 20180202 02:29:37<+wesnoth-discord-> Warmaster? 20180202 02:29:41< celticminstrel> I still think dervish was the best, but that option was really unpopular (didn't even make it to the semifinals). 20180202 02:29:45<+wesnoth-discord-> For the Khalif? 20180202 02:29:48< celticminstrel> Yeah. 20180202 02:29:53<+wesnoth-discord-> Oh ok. 20180202 02:29:55<+wesnoth-discord-> *Khalid 20180202 02:30:04<+wesnoth-discord-> Oops. 20180202 02:30:27<+wesnoth-discord-> Yeah, I'm getting too tired, though it's just 7:30 pm here. 20180202 02:30:28<+wesnoth-discord-> XD 20180202 02:30:44<+wesnoth-discord-> Misread Dervish as Dwarvish 20180202 02:30:47<+wesnoth-discord-> XD 20180202 02:32:26<+wesnoth-discord-> Yep, I'm getting tired. Busy day. 20180202 02:33:54< Guest98776> wesnoth is an eye opener for me that life can be slow too. been on MP server, and it's similar people and similar maps over and over. 20180202 02:34:10 * celticminstrel wonders who the guest is 20180202 02:34:59<+wesnoth-discord-> XD 20180202 02:35:11<+wesnoth-discord-> It is a good challenge to me though. 20180202 02:35:26<+wesnoth-discord-> Instead of facing the exploitable AI 20180202 02:35:39<+wesnoth-discord-> Anyway, I'm off for a few hours. Don't burn the forums down while I'm gone 😛 20180202 02:35:45< Guest98776> why is Isar so popular? 20180202 02:36:09<+wesnoth-discord-> Isar? 20180202 02:36:13<+wesnoth-discord-> The map? 20180202 02:36:18< celticminstrel> The MP scenario? 20180202 02:36:31< Guest98776> exponentially more popular above other maps like Clash and Morituri 20180202 02:36:50< Guest98776> Yeah, Isar's Cross 20180202 02:36:52< celticminstrel> I can't remember which maps I liked. There was one there you were on a ring island with water in the middle and all around... 20180202 02:36:57<+wesnoth-discord-> One of my faves is Wilderlands. 20180202 02:37:07< celticminstrel> And a tiny one that was basically just fields and rivers... 20180202 02:37:14<+wesnoth-discord-> And another is Aethermaw. 20180202 02:38:06<+wesnoth-discord-> I personally like making my own maps. 20180202 02:38:34<+wesnoth-discord-> Or just stealing reusing ones I like from campaigns. 20180202 02:38:36<+wesnoth-discord-> XD 20180202 02:38:44< Guest98776> mainline maps have many weird stuffs, like Aethermaw and Thousand Sting Garrison 20180202 02:38:54<+wesnoth-discord-> Yeah. 20180202 02:39:24<+wesnoth-discord-> With all the petrified scorpions. 20180202 02:39:32<+wesnoth-discord-> right? 20180202 02:39:41< Guest98776> IIRC there is a 2p map that would summon sea monsters at turn 40 20180202 02:40:01< celticminstrel> IIRC there were a bunch of new maps added at some point in 1.13. 20180202 02:41:28<+wesnoth-discord-> Personally, although they are quite imbalanced for PvP, I really like the "city" ones. 20180202 02:41:39<+wesnoth-discord-> Especially Elensefar. 20180202 02:42:38-!- Narrat [~Narrat@p5DCC6707.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: They say a little knowledge is a dangerous thing, but it's not one half so bad as a lot of ignorance.] 20180202 02:42:58<+wesnoth-discord-> (campaign maps) 20180202 02:43:57< Guest98776> thought you were talking about Elensefar Courtyard 20180202 02:44:12<+wesnoth-discord-> Ahh, that is quite nice too. 20180202 02:44:24<+wesnoth-discord-> With the statues. 20180202 02:45:51<+wesnoth-discord-> Weldyn's map (HttT) is quite nice too. 20180202 02:47:38< Guest98776> The nicest thing in fantasy works for me is when you revisit familiar places or when you see a map expands, the moments make the world convincing. 20180202 02:47:48<+wesnoth-discord-> Yeah. 20180202 02:48:19<+wesnoth-discord-> Like we see Weldyn in 3 campaigns: TRoW, HttT, and TEI. 20180202 02:48:33< Guest98776> what's TEI? 20180202 02:48:50< Guest98776> Eastern Invasion, ok 20180202 02:48:55<+wesnoth-discord-> Yeah. 20180202 02:49:16<+wesnoth-discord-> And we see Elense in 2, L, and HttT. 20180202 02:49:45< Guest98776> Weldyn also appeared in the Sceptre of Fire 20180202 02:49:58<+wesnoth-discord-> Ahh thats what I meant 20180202 02:50:03<+wesnoth-discord-> not TRoW 20180202 02:50:06<+wesnoth-discord-> XD 20180202 02:50:09< celticminstrel> Do they use the same map in each campaign? 20180202 02:50:14<+wesnoth-discord-> No. 20180202 02:50:15< celticminstrel> Or almost the same. 20180202 02:50:44<+wesnoth-discord-> SoF does have more villages, and does not have the outlet of the Weldyn River around the city. 20180202 02:51:33<+wesnoth-discord-> (In the other 2, Weldyn is an island) 20180202 02:51:49< celticminstrel> ... 20180202 02:51:51< celticminstrel> What? 20180202 02:51:56<+wesnoth-discord-> Yeah. 20180202 02:52:01< celticminstrel> Why? 20180202 02:52:29<+wesnoth-discord-> I don't know, but we see part of the Weldyn River go out and surround Weldyn. 20180202 02:53:05<+wesnoth-discord-> Maybe a king just wanted a moat? 20180202 02:53:07<+wesnoth-discord-> XD 20180202 02:53:35< celticminstrel> Oh, so it's not like the whole area was flooded, more like they just built a moat? 20180202 02:53:42<+wesnoth-discord-> Yeah. 20180202 02:54:14<+wesnoth-discord-> Like Elensefar, but mainly surrounded by land. 20180202 02:54:48<+wesnoth-discord-> I think the only other canon island-city is Farzi, since we see it on the map. 20180202 02:55:03<+wesnoth-discord-> though we never see it. 20180202 02:55:33<+wesnoth-discord-> I think Aldril, Soradoc, Dan 'Tonk, and Farzi are the only mainline cities never seen. 20180202 02:55:51-!- soloojos [~soloojos@gateway/tor-sasl/soloojos] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180202 02:56:53-!- soloojos [~soloojos@gateway/tor-sasl/soloojos] has joined #wesnoth 20180202 02:57:01<+wesnoth-discord-> We see Weldyn thrice, Elensefar twice, Tath twice, Blackwater twice, (counting SotA) and Carcyn twice (counting SotA) 20180202 02:57:32-!- soloojos [~soloojos@gateway/tor-sasl/soloojos] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180202 02:57:38<+wesnoth-discord-> The North and South cities are seen in their respective campaigns, except Farzi. 20180202 02:57:47<+wesnoth-discord-> Though I may be incorrect. 20180202 02:58:07< Guest98776> we got a loremaster here 20180202 02:58:20<+wesnoth-discord-> XD 20180202 02:58:40<+wesnoth-discord-> No, I'm just a nerd with lots of free time when I'm off work. 20180202 02:58:41<+wesnoth-discord-> XD 20180202 02:59:11<+wesnoth-discord-> But thanks. 20180202 03:01:11<+wesnoth-discord-> (SotA is Secret of the Ancients, mainlined in 1.13, so for 1.12 users, they likely haven't seen it. 20180202 03:01:18<+wesnoth-discord-> *) 20180202 03:01:33<+wesnoth-discord-> Unless they downloaded the addon 20180202 03:02:05<+wesnoth-discord-> lol xD Hamel is a dwarf elder, what do you expect? :PPP 20180202 03:02:13<+wesnoth-discord-> XD 20180202 03:02:13<+wesnoth-discord-> Geography master xD 20180202 03:02:22<+wesnoth-discord-> XD 20180202 03:02:41<+wesnoth-discord-> like how i helped east guardian yesterday with Thelien. 20180202 03:03:02<+wesnoth-discord-> Yeah LOL :P 20180202 03:03:03< Guest98776> I thought it was the HttT loyal horseman 20180202 03:03:28<+wesnoth-discord-> That's Haldiel. 20180202 03:03:46<+wesnoth-discord-> Or the other one you get on hard, forget his name. 20180202 03:04:10<+wesnoth-discord-> oh yeah can you also ask me if I have any more questions Hamel lol, ping me and ask if I have more questions cuz brb for 10 minutes xDD 20180202 03:04:12< Guest98776> Right, Haldiel 20180202 03:04:14<+wesnoth-discord-> Thank you in advance lol xD 20180202 03:04:25<+wesnoth-discord-> XD ok 20180202 03:05:06<+wesnoth-discord-> Yeah, as I've said, I'm a nerd. I made this in my spare time. I've shared it here before. https://docs.google.com/drawings/d/1xtA7GIfv_ORgIafdG__NJ8LACNe9ugE_oabTnh9KSoY/view?usp=sharing 20180202 03:06:32<+wesnoth-discord-> Could be better, but I spent like 2 hours in a row perfecting it. 20180202 03:08:14< Guest98776> zookeeper made a WIP full map of the great continent in lore discussion. 20180202 03:08:21<+wesnoth-discord-> Oh. 20180202 03:08:46<+wesnoth-discord-> Isn't it that one with the Hammermounts? 20180202 03:08:50<+wesnoth-discord-> or no? 20180202 03:09:30<+wesnoth-discord-> Well, I may have spent 2 hrs wasted a month ago. 20180202 03:09:36<+wesnoth-discord-> XD 20180202 03:10:13< Guest98776> I just came across it through a link, forgot how to access it now. 20180202 03:10:22<+wesnoth-discord-> Oh. 20180202 03:13:33<+wesnoth-discord-> back 20180202 03:13:42<+wesnoth-discord-> Lol was getting groceries xD 20180202 03:13:44<+wesnoth-discord-> Hello again! 20180202 03:13:50<+wesnoth-discord-> Oh ok. 20180202 03:13:52<+wesnoth-discord-> Hello :] 20180202 03:13:58<+wesnoth-discord-> Yeah, that's important. 20180202 03:14:35<+wesnoth-discord-> My question is... what do you think separates top players from strong players? 20180202 03:14:54<+wesnoth-discord-> Strategy, likely. 20180202 03:14:58<+wesnoth-discord-> lol xD it was okay to ping me by the way, just wanted to make it funny lol xD 20180202 03:15:00<+wesnoth-discord-> ah 20180202 03:15:40<+wesnoth-discord-> Oh ok. XD 20180202 03:15:47<+wesnoth-discord-> lol :P 20180202 03:16:02<+wesnoth-discord-> :Guest98776 Found it! 20180202 03:16:04<+wesnoth-discord-> https://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=40059 20180202 03:16:08<+wesnoth-discord-> is that it? 20180202 03:16:42< Guest98776> that's the known world 20180202 03:16:55<+wesnoth-discord-> Known? 20180202 03:17:16<+wesnoth-discord-> In addons too, or just canon? 20180202 03:18:13<+wesnoth-discord-> Coz i have visited it before, but i got crappy wifi and it wont ever load the forums anymore, so all I can see is the image i found it with. 20180202 03:18:21< Guest98776> the one I referred to was a mock-up with also the un-canon world that zookeeper made. but the progress stopped because it's too hard to get the info of relevant add-ons 20180202 03:18:35<+wesnoth-discord-> This. I can't make out much of anything. 20180202 03:18:36<+wesnoth-discord-> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/231976805987385345/408823482651246607/unknown.png 20180202 03:18:46<+wesnoth-discord-> Ahh. Ok. 20180202 03:19:27<+wesnoth-discord-> If my wifi would load the forums, I'd be fine, but no. My wifi doesn't like me. 20180202 03:19:28<+wesnoth-discord-> XD 20180202 03:19:32<+wesnoth-discord-> How do you define if something is canon or not? 20180202 03:19:37<+wesnoth-discord-> When a fan makes something 20180202 03:19:45<+wesnoth-discord-> and it receives recognition from officiala 20180202 03:20:07<+wesnoth-discord-> The canon material you don't have to go to the addons to install. 20180202 03:20:19<+wesnoth-discord-> oh I see, fair enough :P 20180202 03:21:24< Guest98776> Easy. Mainline is canon, add-ons are not. Even Invasion from the Unknown is debatable. 20180202 03:21:41< Guest98776> *lorewise 20180202 03:21:43<+wesnoth-discord-> thats exactly why I was wondering, though. 20180202 03:21:57<+wesnoth-discord-> So, if I remember them all, TRoW, AOI, LoW, SoF, AToTB, DiD, DM, L, HttT, NR, THoT, TSG, TEI, DW, SotBE and UtBS are all considered canon. 20180202 03:22:03<+wesnoth-discord-> I see :3 20180202 03:22:05<+wesnoth-discord-> (chronological order) 20180202 03:22:16<+wesnoth-discord-> I may have missed one. 20180202 03:22:48< celticminstrel> Speaking of chronological order, there's an option to sort the campaigns list that way. 20180202 03:22:53< celticminstrel> In 1.13. 20180202 03:22:55<+wesnoth-discord-> cool abbreviations lol xD 20180202 03:22:57<+wesnoth-discord-> Really? 20180202 03:22:59<+wesnoth-discord-> ooh really? 20180202 03:23:00< celticminstrel> Yup. 20180202 03:23:01<+wesnoth-discord-> Oh. 20180202 03:23:15<+wesnoth-discord-> I am actually playing them in that order in 1.12. 20180202 03:23:25<+wesnoth-discord-> But I got busy in DM. 20180202 03:24:48<+wesnoth-discord-> So, I've only re-done TRoW, AOI, LoW, SoF, AToTB, and DiD so far. 20180202 03:25:29<+wesnoth-discord-> I remember how hard wesnoth was for me when I was 7 xD 20180202 03:25:35<+wesnoth-discord-> XD 20180202 03:25:55<+wesnoth-discord-> Speaking of which, I love the whole human-elvish-dwarvish political situation in the first 4 campaigns chronologically. 20180202 03:26:10<+wesnoth-discord-> Really gives you perspective. 20180202 03:26:24<+wesnoth-discord-> ooh speaking of which, was there ever a time when humans and orcs allied with each other? 20180202 03:26:30<+wesnoth-discord-> in a canon wesnoth campaign 20180202 03:26:33<+wesnoth-discord-> SotBE. 20180202 03:26:34<+wesnoth-discord-> ish 20180202 03:26:37<+wesnoth-discord-> ah 20180202 03:26:43<+wesnoth-discord-> when? :o 20180202 03:28:13<+wesnoth-discord-> theres a whole political situation. 20180202 03:29:50<+wesnoth-discord-> Basically, it resulted in a civil war in the Northern Alliance with Shan Taum (orc) and Earl Lanbech (human) on one side, and Kapou'e (orc) and Howgarth (human) III on the other. 20180202 03:30:02<+wesnoth-discord-> aha 20180202 03:30:08<+wesnoth-discord-> Where's the comma in Lanbech? 20180202 03:30:14< Guest98776> 840YW? 20180202 03:30:17<+wesnoth-discord-> I know there is one. 20180202 03:30:24<+wesnoth-discord-> I think so. 20180202 03:30:58<+wesnoth-discord-> I got the portraits, with names downloaded in my drive. So I can check. 20180202 03:31:53<+wesnoth-discord-> Oh. Doesn't have the comma there. 20180202 03:31:55<+wesnoth-discord-> 😛 20180202 03:32:56<+wesnoth-discord-> Also, orcs did fight for Ashievere, so there is that too. 20180202 03:33:12<+wesnoth-discord-> And there was the occasional Undead/Orc alliance. 20180202 03:34:01<+wesnoth-discord-> So, yeah, a few times. 20180202 03:34:57<+wesnoth-discord-> But almost all other times, humans were all angry at the orcs. 20180202 03:34:57<+wesnoth-discord-> XD 20180202 03:35:13< Guest98776> Some orcs joined Knalgan Alliances. 20180202 03:35:39<+wesnoth-discord-> Ahh, yes. 20180202 03:35:45<+wesnoth-discord-> There was that too. 20180202 03:36:40<+wesnoth-discord-> But for the first three-fourths (roughly) of Wesnoth, humans did not like orcs. 20180202 03:38:17<+wesnoth-discord-> ...or drakes, or undead, or saurians. 20180202 03:38:18<+wesnoth-discord-> XD 20180202 03:39:46<+wesnoth-discord-> they were okay with Elves and Dwarves, though. 20180202 03:40:17< Guest98776> I don't remember Drakes appeared anywhere other than Cliff of Thoria. 20180202 03:40:53<+wesnoth-discord-> Morogoth, or whatever it was called. 20180202 03:41:17<+wesnoth-discord-> And once in LoW. 20180202 03:41:31<+wesnoth-discord-> with that wizard dude. 20180202 03:41:39<+wesnoth-discord-> (forgot his name) 20180202 03:42:16<+wesnoth-discord-> Ahh, Crelanu. 20180202 03:42:48< celticminstrel> Morogoth, heh. Soooo close to Morgoth. >_> 20180202 03:43:12< Guest98776> the LoW one is also Cliffs of Thoria btw, same as the HttT one 20180202 03:43:45<+wesnoth-discord-> and in NR with Krash or Krosh 20180202 03:43:49<+wesnoth-discord-> And DW. 20180202 03:44:35< Guest98776> seems that I haven't played these campaigns well 20180202 03:44:58<+wesnoth-discord-> Ah, I just tend to remember characters well. 20180202 03:45:50<+wesnoth-discord-> For some reason, I still remember the names of the loyal outlaws in Liberty. 20180202 03:45:59<+wesnoth-discord-> XD imma nerd 20180202 03:46:52<+wesnoth-discord-> I think humans didn't really like Elves too much, but they were okay with them. 20180202 03:46:55< Guest98776> something starting with Ha iirc 20180202 03:47:08<+wesnoth-discord-> Ha iirc? 20180202 03:47:19< Guest98776> "ha" 20180202 03:47:38<+wesnoth-discord-> Oh. Harper. 20180202 03:47:52<+wesnoth-discord-> I mean the ones in the 7th scenario. 20180202 03:48:14<+wesnoth-discord-> Jingo and Majel, I think. 20180202 03:49:17< Guest98776> just looked it up, you're correct 20180202 03:49:39<+wesnoth-discord-> Oh. Okay. That confirms how much of a nerd I am. XD 20180202 03:50:25<+wesnoth-discord-> And sometimes IRL i have to ask people their names like 5 times before i remember, but for some weird reason, the Wesnoth ones just stick. 20180202 03:50:26<+wesnoth-discord-> XD 20180202 03:51:11< Guest98776> I forgot a few names in my office 20180202 03:51:19<+wesnoth-discord-> XD same 20180202 03:53:38<+wesnoth-discord-> The thing I find surprising is people could make campaigns on other parts of the continent, away from Irdya or the Green Isle, but nobody really has. 20180202 03:54:51<+wesnoth-discord-> But that could be a bit complex. 20180202 04:01:46<+wesnoth-discord-> So, what are the most-played addon campaigns? 20180202 04:08:10-!- celticminstrel [~celmin@unaffiliated/celticminstrel] has quit [Quit: KABOOM! It seems that I have exploded. Please wait while I reinstall the universe.] 20180202 04:13:22-!- vultraz [uid24821@wesnoth/developer/vultraz] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 20180202 04:18:34<+wesnoth-discord-> I think IFtU is pretty common, but I'm not sure. 20180202 04:20:43<+wesnoth-discord-> legend of the invincibles, invasion from the unknown, after the storm, a song of fire, a new order, bad moon rising 20180202 04:20:52<+wesnoth-discord-> fate of a princess 20180202 04:21:26<+wesnoth-discord-> oh ok. 20180202 04:21:52<+wesnoth-discord-> I probably missed some 20180202 04:23:03<+wesnoth-discord-> Interesting. 20180202 04:23:20<+wesnoth-discord-> Are most of those Human campaigns? 20180202 04:23:35<+wesnoth-discord-> LotI is like an RPG 20180202 04:23:40<+wesnoth-discord-> for much of it 20180202 04:23:44<+wesnoth-discord-> cool. 20180202 04:23:53<+wesnoth-discord-> IftU and AtS are a mix of faerie and undead among other things 20180202 04:24:00<+wesnoth-discord-> a new order is "akladian" which are modified humans 20180202 04:24:03<+wesnoth-discord-> bad moon rising is also a mix 20180202 04:24:13<+wesnoth-discord-> I forgot about ASoF and FoaP 20180202 04:24:20<+wesnoth-discord-> Aah yes with Mal Keshar. 20180202 04:24:20<+wesnoth-discord-> I know there are elves in FoaP 20180202 04:24:27<+wesnoth-discord-> Okay. 20180202 04:25:28<+wesnoth-discord-> Interesting. 20180202 04:25:39<+wesnoth-discord-> I may take a look at those when I have time. 20180202 04:27:23<+wesnoth-discord-> after the storm is the sequel to invasion from the unknown 20180202 04:27:31<+wesnoth-discord-> I'd say play those two 20180202 04:27:33<+wesnoth-discord-> okay. 20180202 04:28:27<+wesnoth-discord-> I've played like 4 scenarios in IftU, and I did see Mal Keshar. 20180202 04:28:48<+wesnoth-discord-> Is that the undead part of it? 20180202 04:29:40<+wesnoth-discord-> you have access to undead throughout both campaigns 20180202 04:29:55<+wesnoth-discord-> oh cool 20180202 04:30:22<+wesnoth-discord-> I personally would enjoy a few more good Dwarvish ones. 20180202 04:30:36<+wesnoth-discord-> We don't have as much history on them. 20180202 04:30:44<+wesnoth-discord-> imo. 20180202 04:31:18<+wesnoth-discord-> But we do have a lot. 20180202 04:32:00<+wesnoth-discord-> have you played the scepter of fire 20180202 04:32:13<+wesnoth-discord-> I've played all canon ones. 20180202 04:32:16<+wesnoth-discord-> oay 20180202 04:32:16<+wesnoth-discord-> okay 20180202 04:32:27<+wesnoth-discord-> That is a memorable campaign. 20180202 04:33:26<+wesnoth-discord-> Especially Krawg 20180202 04:34:41-!- vultraz [uid24821@wesnoth/developer/vultraz] has joined #wesnoth 20180202 04:34:42<+wesnoth-discord-> Even though we do have only 2 dwarvish campaigns, we have quite a few combined ones. 20180202 04:35:57<+wesnoth-discord-> (HttT, LoW, NR, DM, and possibly UtBS) 20180202 04:36:47<+wesnoth-discord-> So, it's not too much of a problem. 20180202 04:39:38<+wesnoth-discord-> Well, thanks @Yumi. I'll definitely check those out when I can find time. 20180202 04:41:58<+wesnoth-discord-> mhmm 20180202 04:43:20<+wesnoth-discord-> @Meta Mirage Do you have any more questions you've thought of? 20180202 04:43:42<+wesnoth-discord-> XD 20180202 04:44:26<+wesnoth-discord-> lol xD :D hmm 20180202 04:45:24<+wesnoth-discord-> do top players ever lose due to luck factors? It seems like they don't :P 20180202 04:46:21<+wesnoth-discord-> I don't think so. 20180202 04:47:07<+wesnoth-discord-> You just gotta assume the RNG is gonna make those 2 orcish grunts kill your shaman off next turn. 20180202 04:47:25<+wesnoth-discord-> even tho shes on 70% def 20180202 04:47:42<+wesnoth-discord-> just take it all into account 20180202 04:48:00<+wesnoth-discord-> Assume your mage is gonna miss, etc. 20180202 04:51:30<+wesnoth-discord-> So just a quick question for the IRC end of this, does the discord formatting come out on your end? Like when we put an asterisk before and after a word, it becomes italics. Does it appear as italics on IRC? 20180202 04:53:05-!- cyphase [~cyphase@unaffiliated/cyphase] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20180202 04:53:38-!- babyflakes [uid171740@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bxtznydharbqwwqs] has joined #wesnoth 20180202 04:56:58-!- cyphase [~cyphase@unaffiliated/cyphase] has joined #wesnoth 20180202 05:02:15< Guest98776> no, it's plain text here 20180202 05:03:39<+wesnoth-discord-> Oh, so if i did *italics it wouldn't come out italicized? 20180202 05:03:59<+wesnoth-discord-> (with an asterisk again at the end) 20180202 05:04:34< Guest98776> *italic* 20180202 05:04:38< Guest98776> no 20180202 05:09:15<+wesnoth-discord-> Okay. 20180202 05:09:23<+wesnoth-discord-> I was just wondering. 20180202 05:09:38<+wesnoth-discord-> That came out as italic on our end. 20180202 07:37:10<+wesnoth-discord-> how appropriate that the latest luck debate was started by someone named Inevitable. 20180202 07:50:51<+wesnoth-discord-> Nominative determinism: every time 20180202 08:35:56<+wesnoth-discord-> dwarves have the most mature and calculative personality that i've seen, lol 20180202 09:02:02-!- zookeeper [~lmsnie@wesnoth/developer/zookeeper] has joined #wesnoth 20180202 09:18:38-!- vladimirslavik [vslavik@nat/redhat/x-soktmltyaqvoaxkv] has joined #wesnoth 20180202 09:22:07-!- Haudegen [~quassel@178.115.237.87] has joined #wesnoth 20180202 10:20:24< janebot> Tweet (by @Wesnoth) We've decided on a *tentative* Steam release date of April 13th. Still a *lot* to do, but we'll try to actually mak… https://twitter.com/i/web/status/959370911257251840 [ https://twitter.com/Wesnoth/status/959370911257251840 ] 20180202 10:35:16< Guest98776> It's the first half of the year, good news. 20180202 11:02:09-!- clavi [~anonymous@v22017054422549272.happysrv.de] has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in] 20180202 11:16:25<+wesnoth-discord-> only 2 months 20180202 11:49:05-!- clavi [~anonymous@v22017054422549272.happysrv.de] has joined #wesnoth 20180202 12:17:43-!- zookeeper [~lmsnie@wesnoth/developer/zookeeper] has quit [] 20180202 12:34:44< janebot> Tweet (by @Wesnoth) @tovipulkaushik Yup! [ https://twitter.com/Wesnoth/status/959404716152143872 ] 20180202 12:45:26<+wesnoth-discord-> I have a wml question 20180202 12:46:23<+wesnoth-discord-> How do you trigger a event for units created by [unit] tag, like when you trigger create or recall event 20180202 12:47:29<+wesnoth-discord-> you mean how do you fire the equivalent of a recruit event if you use [unit]? 20180202 12:47:36<+wesnoth-discord-> Yes 20180202 12:47:39-!- Ravana_ [~Ravana@unaffiliated/ravana/x-2327071] has quit [] 20180202 12:47:43<+wesnoth-discord-> [fire_event] 20180202 12:48:57-!- Haudegen [~quassel@178.115.237.87] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20180202 12:49:04<+wesnoth-discord-> But it won't work if the [unit] tag is not from my add-on 20180202 12:49:27< Soliton> perhaps you're interested in this event: https://wiki.wesnoth.org/EventWML#unit_placed_.28Version_1.13.3_and_later_only.29 (1.13 only) 20180202 12:49:50<+wesnoth-discord-> then you want https://wiki.wesnoth.org/EventWML#unit_placed_.28Version_1.13.3_and_later_only.29 20180202 12:49:52<+wesnoth-discord-> ah damn 20180202 12:49:54<+wesnoth-discord-> soliton too fast 20180202 12:49:55<+wesnoth-discord-> 😛 20180202 12:50:04< Soliton> \o/ 20180202 12:50:18<+wesnoth-discord-> Thanks. So it won't work on 1.12 20180202 12:50:29<+wesnoth-discord-> no 20180202 12:52:02<+wesnoth-discord-> So I shall aim my add-on for 1.14 now 20180202 12:52:12<+wesnoth-discord-> good idea in any case 20180202 13:02:26-!- Ravana_ [~Ravana@unaffiliated/ravana/x-2327071] has joined #wesnoth 20180202 13:31:52< Guest98776> Forest+Ford seems to produce a weird terrain 20180202 13:41:46-!- Haudegen [~quassel@212-186-77-29.static.upcbusiness.at] has joined #wesnoth 20180202 13:47:25-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180202 13:47:31-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth 20180202 14:04:47<+wesnoth-discord-> That's not possible to create. you can create shallow water + forest though 20180202 14:05:28<+wesnoth-discord-> my fault, it is 20180202 14:13:44-!- zookeeper [~lmsnie@wesnoth/developer/zookeeper] has joined #wesnoth 20180202 14:13:48< Guest98776> It's almost identical to shallow water + forest 20180202 14:14:16< Guest98776> unless your flat defense is the highest among the three 20180202 14:22:16-!- DeFender [~DeFender1@93-173-53-24.bb.netvision.net.il] has quit [Quit: I'm not back now.] 20180202 14:22:35-!- Narrat [~Narrat@p5DCC6707.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #wesnoth 20180202 14:29:09-!- zookeeper [~lmsnie@wesnoth/developer/zookeeper] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 20180202 15:04:23< Guest98776> What WML do you use to put a unit into recall list in 1.12? 20180202 15:11:07-!- zookeeper [~lmsnie@wesnoth/developer/zookeeper] has joined #wesnoth 20180202 15:12:33< Guest98776> [unstore_unit] x,y=recall,recall[/unstore_unit]? 20180202 15:19:09< zookeeper> yeah 20180202 15:41:01< Guest98776> How do you change only a part of the file? For example, when you want to change the x,y=21-40,1-33 to the x,y=21-40,1-33 of mask_file. 20180202 15:43:42< Guest98776> *change only a part of the map 20180202 16:11:45-!- zookeeper [~lmsnie@wesnoth/developer/zookeeper] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 20180202 16:31:55-!- zookeeper [~lmsnie@wesnoth/developer/zookeeper] has joined #wesnoth 20180202 16:40:53-!- vladimirslavik [vslavik@nat/redhat/x-soktmltyaqvoaxkv] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20180202 16:47:45< Guest98776> Can [fire_event] trigger multiple events with the same name? 20180202 16:55:38-!- Haudegen [~quassel@212-186-77-29.static.upcbusiness.at] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20180202 16:58:51< Soliton> yes. 20180202 17:03:25< Soliton> Guest98776: https://wiki.wesnoth.org/EventWML#A_Trap_for_the_Unwary might be of interest. 20180202 17:11:51-!- Jordys [~jordy-jor@154.68.4.143] has joined #wesnoth 20180202 17:20:21<+wesnoth-discord-> Going to be on again in an hour or so probably do a campaign but if someone wants to join a multiplayer match can do. 20180202 17:21:41< Guest98776> I decided to give events unique names and store them in a container, to avoid unforseen errors. 20180202 17:50:35-!- Haudegen [~quassel@178.115.237.87] has joined #wesnoth 20180202 17:52:48-!- zookeeper [~lmsnie@wesnoth/developer/zookeeper] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20180202 18:17:17-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180202 18:17:23-!- janebot_ [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth 20180202 18:17:23-!- janebot_ is now known as janebot 20180202 18:19:35-!- Guest98776 [~yangyf@2001:cc0:2020:4010:4cd0:93ce:25c6:8c52] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20180202 18:23:49-!- Bhoren [~Bhoren_wh@2a01:e0a:c:2150:28d9:965d:453e:ac83] has joined #wesnoth 20180202 18:37:32<+wesnoth-discord-> So, canonically, is Ashievere the only "evil" ruler of Wesnoth? 20180202 18:42:08<+wesnoth-discord-> @Not Hamel Halderic I wasn't exactly a paragon of morality at the end of his campaign either. 20180202 18:42:53<+wesnoth-discord-> I guess. And the canon near the end of his life with the Ruby. 20180202 18:43:27<+wesnoth-discord-> Technically, Eldred did rule Wesnoth for a little, though he was killed by Delfador. 20180202 18:44:34<+wesnoth-discord-> Here's a question, what unit type is Eldred? XD 20180202 18:44:57<+wesnoth-discord-> Wasn't he in DM? 20180202 18:48:49<+wesnoth-discord-> Out of the canon rulers, (Haldrics I, II, IV, and VII, Garards I and II, Konrads I and II, Asievere, and Eldred) I think only the last two were really considered "evil". 20180202 18:48:59<+wesnoth-discord-> I may have missed one or two. 20180202 18:50:56<+wesnoth-discord-> Is Anasar canon? 20180202 18:51:11<+wesnoth-discord-> I saw a mention of her on the wiki once. 20180202 18:55:37<+wesnoth-discord-> It said she was the daughter of Li'sar and Konrad. 20180202 19:13:23-!- vultraz [uid24821@wesnoth/developer/vultraz] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 20180202 19:13:53-!- Jordys [~jordy-jor@154.68.4.143] has left #wesnoth [] 20180202 19:36:50<+wesnoth-discord-> Nevermind. I can't find mention of her in any campaign. 20180202 19:37:16<+wesnoth-discord-> *can't remember 20180202 19:42:08<+wesnoth-discord-> Most of the campaigns come from a Wesnothian perspective but yeah generally the kings/queens are presented favorably 20180202 19:44:35<+wesnoth-discord-> Consider that Asheviere, a deposed ruler, is either a direct or indirect villain of 3 campaigns and that TRoW presents a counterstory to the only other villainous ruler (Haldric I, LoW) 20180202 19:44:57<+wesnoth-discord-> Yeah. 20180202 19:45:26<+wesnoth-discord-> Those 3 campaigns are DM, L, and HttT, right? 20180202 19:47:59<+wesnoth-discord-> Yeah 20180202 19:56:05<+wesnoth-discord-> TRoW: Positive AOI: - LoW: Negative (elven) SoF: Positive AToTB: - DiD: - DM: Positive (Hints of Asheviere) HttT: Negative (Asheviere) L: Negative (Asheviere) NR: -/Konrad THoT: - TSG: Positive EI: Positive DW: - SotBE: - UtBS: no Wesnoth 20180202 19:56:55<+wesnoth-discord-> There are more campaigns that don't really discuss the leadership of Wesnoth than I thought 20180202 19:57:04-!- Narrat [~Narrat@p5DCC6707.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: They say a little knowledge is a dangerous thing, but it's not one half so bad as a lot of ignorance.] 20180202 19:57:25<+wesnoth-discord-> Yeah. I'm surprised too. I think large a part of why I did think life in Wesnoth would be easier than life in the Middle Ages is because of the rulers. Almost all of Wesnoth's are good, but the Middle Ages had a lot of "Ashieveres" as rulers. 20180202 19:57:39<+wesnoth-discord-> Also, an appalling lack of history between Haldric II and Delfador 20180202 19:57:47<+wesnoth-discord-> Yeah. 20180202 19:57:56<+wesnoth-discord-> Like 20180202 20:00:07<+wesnoth-discord-> Haldric I, Haldric II, Garard II/Asheviere, Konrad/Li'sar, Konrad II 20180202 20:00:21<+wesnoth-discord-> We don't meet any other rulers 20180202 20:00:42<+wesnoth-discord-> And 2, 4, 1 are the contiguous groupings 20180202 20:00:57<+wesnoth-discord-> Yeah. I think Haldrics IV and VII are mentioned in DiD and TSG respectively, but never shown. 20180202 20:02:16<+wesnoth-discord-> In TSG at least there's an action 20180202 20:02:38<+wesnoth-discord-> In DiD, it's literally "10 years after Haldric IV died" 20180202 20:02:50<+wesnoth-discord-> Who measures time that way lol 20180202 20:03:11<+wesnoth-discord-> Yeah. 20180202 20:03:12<+wesnoth-discord-> The succeeding ruler must have truly been non-descript 20180202 20:03:16<+wesnoth-discord-> lol 20180202 20:03:21<+wesnoth-discord-> Yeah. 20180202 20:04:00<+wesnoth-discord-> On the forums, someone is saying that if you get Knalgans against Loyalists then you're doomed as the Knalgan player, because the loyalist will start offensive with their cost-effective scouts, and take a lot of space and offense and decide all the battles 20180202 20:04:04<+wesnoth-discord-> What do you think about that? 20180202 20:04:09<+wesnoth-discord-> Is loyalist vs knalgan balanced? 20180202 20:05:12<+wesnoth-discord-> I'm pretty sure. 20180202 20:06:36<+wesnoth-discord-> The Knalgans' units are pretty close to being the units that can last the longest in fights. 20180202 20:07:26<+wesnoth-discord-> Oh lol the wiki history suggests that there wasn't a king following Haldric IV until Garard I seized the throne 20180202 20:08:09<+wesnoth-discord-> This strikes me as Garardian revisionism however; I'm sure there were others to claim the title, just none to hold it 20180202 20:08:28<+wesnoth-discord-> Yeah, maybe. 20180202 20:08:44<+wesnoth-discord-> Well, I have to go now. Be back in about an hour. 20180202 20:10:21<+wesnoth-discord-> I think the pre-Garardine turmoil could make for an interesting campaign 20180202 20:10:52<+wesnoth-discord-> DiD and AToTB take place in that time but are rather local 20180202 20:14:41<+wesnoth-discord-> So apparently Cortex Command is free right now? http://store.steampowered.com/app/209670/Cortex_Command/ 20180202 21:13:17-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180202 21:13:23-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth 20180202 21:33:36-!- sigurdfd [sigurdfd@dynamic-acs-72-23-110-196.zoominternet.net] has joined #wesnoth 20180202 21:35:24-!- Haudegen [~quassel@178.115.237.87] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180202 21:48:53<+wesnoth-discord-> Lol, I found an addon called Wesnoth Chess 20180202 21:48:57<+wesnoth-discord-> time to try it out :3 xD 20180202 21:50:00<+wesnoth-discord-> gosh I remember that, it was made years and years ago 20180202 21:50:03<+wesnoth-discord-> at least if it's the same one 20180202 21:50:58<+wesnoth-discord-> Yeah, I tried it too once. 20180202 21:58:43<+wesnoth-discord-> Lol ah 20180202 21:59:00<+wesnoth-discord-> any recommended add on campaigns? 20180202 21:59:43<+wesnoth-discord-> I would recommend Return From The Abyss...again, since I do like it, but it is very hard. 20180202 21:59:56<+wesnoth-discord-> Ooh 20180202 22:00:02<+wesnoth-discord-> I love the word 'Abyss' by the way :P 20180202 22:00:07<+wesnoth-discord-> It looks so cool 20180202 22:00:21<+wesnoth-discord-> Yeah same. 20180202 22:00:54<+wesnoth-discord-> im on wesnoth 1.12.6 and the campaign is in 1.0.0 20180202 22:00:57<+wesnoth-discord-> Would it work? 20180202 22:01:33<+wesnoth-discord-> I think I've played it on 12.6 before. 20180202 22:01:36<+wesnoth-discord-> ah 20180202 22:01:46-!- Haudegen [~quassel@178.115.237.87] has joined #wesnoth 20180202 22:03:09<+wesnoth-discord-> whats your guys's favorite wesnoth song> 20180202 22:04:38<+wesnoth-discord-> I personally like the main theme a lot. Though the 'Siege of Laurelmor' or however it's spelled or is is pretty good. 20180202 22:06:57<+wesnoth-discord-> That traveller thingy, not sure how it's called. 20180202 22:07:39<+wesnoth-discord-> I like 'Loyalists' :P 20180202 22:07:56<+wesnoth-discord-> and Knalgan theme too 20180202 22:08:36<+wesnoth-discord-> Yeah, that is a good one. 20180202 22:09:28<+wesnoth-discord-> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YSs0Y06nU0I Bitron do you mean this one? 20180202 22:10:09<+wesnoth-discord-> oh yeah I also like Vengeful Pursuit, one time it was playing and my mom was like "Jesus what is that violent music!?" 20180202 22:10:10<+wesnoth-discord-> Lmao XD 20180202 22:10:44<+wesnoth-discord-> XD 20180202 22:15:37<+wesnoth-discord-> oh yeah hamel, any tips for the first scenario in the campaign that you recommended me? Never played with Khalifate before :o 20180202 22:18:44<+wesnoth-discord-> Mhm Girl UnDead or whatever the spelling is was decent until the ending which was terrible, also because of translation quality which declined at that point 20180202 22:19:02<+wesnoth-discord-> I'd suggest a few Arifs, they have marksman, and that can deal some good damage to elves. 20180202 22:19:10<+wesnoth-discord-> And a couple Jundis. 20180202 22:19:27<+wesnoth-discord-> Maybe 1-2 naffats, depending on the gold. 20180202 22:19:37<+wesnoth-discord-> Is the conversation here still mainly about khalifate 20180202 22:19:39<+wesnoth-discord-> Been a while since I played :P 20180202 22:19:48<+wesnoth-discord-> stop it XD has any of you played girl undead 20180202 22:19:51<+wesnoth-discord-> Not really. 20180202 22:20:02<+wesnoth-discord-> It's about addons 20180202 22:20:03<+wesnoth-discord-> i need to vent my frustration about the shit and senseless ending 20180202 22:20:35<+wesnoth-discord-> And the addon I recommended was a Khalifate campaign. 20180202 22:20:44<+wesnoth-discord-> That's why. 20180202 22:21:49<+wesnoth-discord-> Why's the ending so bad? 20180202 22:21:50<+wesnoth-discord-> ALso the final battle is like an epitomy of bad scenario design, if you have to grind through tight corridors pushing through swarms of enemies for over 200 turns you know the creator fucked up 20180202 22:22:05<+wesnoth-discord-> Never heard of 'Girl Undead' 20180202 22:22:51<+wesnoth-discord-> Well it is bad because 1. bad translation 2. nonsensical and ass pul plot 20180202 22:23:02<+wesnoth-discord-> i can tell more if you guys dont mind spoilers 20180202 22:23:13<+wesnoth-discord-> I don't mind. 20180202 22:24:42<+wesnoth-discord-> whats the big deal of it? Is it popular and new? 20180202 22:24:47<+wesnoth-discord-> also I don't mind :3 20180202 22:26:26<+wesnoth-discord-> ok. So our main hero is a girl lich who in the end finds out that her mother wasn't in fact killed in the beginning when bandits came to burn her house but is now is working with some new bad guys who are conducting experiments with the undead (maybe it was explained better somewhere but I doubt it, from what I remember it wasn't explained much better than this) and you have to kill "elder white mage" who seems to be working for the 20180202 22:26:26<+wesnoth-discord-> king but in fact he is the real bad guy and king is only his pawn 20180202 22:27:36<+wesnoth-discord-> so you come to the castle and reach the king and white mage and then he exclaims that he is immortal unless the mc's mother is killed who is next to him (who also tells us to kill the bad guy to free her or something but still for some reason she is attacking us, bad translation also may play a role) 20180202 22:28:25<+wesnoth-discord-> and now it gets even better, it turns out that she also is immortal and only our main character can kill her because "she is her relative (daughter)" 20180202 22:29:11<+wesnoth-discord-> and when we kill her Randols (name of the white mage) exclaims that in fact it does shit, gloats maniacally and possesses the body of level 4 ancient lich lady mc 20180202 22:30:29<+wesnoth-discord-> and he says that he is now truly immortal because nobody andn othing can kill our mc because all of her relatives are hdead (duh, i wonder how was she getting killed by enemiesin the campaign its a mystery) 20180202 22:32:13<+wesnoth-discord-> but or mc now says that basically he has miscalculated and she has ONE LAST RELATIVE ALIVE and then there is a big reveal that the elf who was a character acompanying us by this point is in fact his brother and that his earring which is the same as hers earring is proves it, so now that he can kill her and kill randolf 20180202 22:33:15<+wesnoth-discord-> so with help of severe luck i manage to kill her, then randolf turns into a necrophage and gets killed by human soldiers who arrived and allied with us to kill the monster, Cyclos (the eld) goes insane because he has killed his sister and the story ends with a small epilogue 20180202 22:38:42<+wesnoth-discord-> Interesting. 20180202 22:39:53<+wesnoth-discord-> You can try it 20180202 22:40:30<+wesnoth-discord-> also it can be a bit humorous at times even though the translation may distort some humor 20180202 22:40:48<+wesnoth-discord-> Okay. 20180202 22:41:02<+wesnoth-discord-> What's your favorite campaign? 20180202 22:41:39<+wesnoth-discord-> I like how you wrote a huge thing about Girl Undead lol xD EoZ 20180202 22:41:50<+wesnoth-discord-> mine? 20180202 22:41:51<+wesnoth-discord-> How come you are so tilted by it? :3 :P 20180202 22:41:56<+wesnoth-discord-> Yeah 20180202 22:42:02<+wesnoth-discord-> yeah 20180202 22:42:18<+wesnoth-discord-> I am not so tilted, i just wrote a medium length rough summary of the plot xD 20180202 22:42:43<+wesnoth-discord-> Yeah, yours, EoZ. 20180202 22:42:51<+wesnoth-discord-> but i was a bit tilted when i finished it ofc 20180202 22:42:57<+wesnoth-discord-> well mine 20180202 22:43:01<+wesnoth-discord-> hmmm 20180202 22:43:10<+wesnoth-discord-> ah xD :P I just thought it was funny how u were like "Ok let me tell you about this campaign called Girl Undead, which just gets TOTALLY HORRIBLE towards the end" lol :33 20180202 22:43:14<+wesnoth-discord-> there are many good campaigns, I think after the storm 20180202 22:43:39<+wesnoth-discord-> well it does and i wanted to explain why it is terrible xD 20180202 22:43:47<+wesnoth-discord-> lol xD I see :3 20180202 22:43:53<+wesnoth-discord-> but mostly it is not really bad 20180202 22:44:11<+wesnoth-discord-> but like i explained plot at the end gets completely insane 20180202 22:44:28<+wesnoth-discord-> hehe 🙃 20180202 22:44:34<+wesnoth-discord-> Yeah sometimes climaxes can be a mess for writers. 20180202 22:44:35<+wesnoth-discord-> ::3 20180202 22:45:02<+wesnoth-discord-> I have no idea why all this haywire thing was necessary 20180202 22:45:49<+wesnoth-discord-> you gotta tie together all the important plot points, make sure there are no plotholes, and add a fitting twist or two. 20180202 22:47:05<+wesnoth-discord-> in case of this campaign I couldn't care less about plotholes considering that translation is not the best, but the obvious part of the plot laid in front of our eyes is just stupid 20180202 22:47:20<+wesnoth-discord-> and you only realize how stupid this all was at the end 20180202 22:48:11-!- vultraz [uid24821@wesnoth/developer/vultraz] has joined #wesnoth 20180202 22:49:21<+wesnoth-discord-> Hmm. I'll have to take a look at it. 20180202 22:49:29<+wesnoth-discord-> How many scenarios? 20180202 22:49:30<+wesnoth-discord-> lol 20180202 22:50:02<+wesnoth-discord-> I think many part of the plot can be considered a joke, right 20180202 22:50:26<+wesnoth-discord-> but that was the climax the thing it was supposed to be about and we get there after over 200 turns of grind 20180202 22:50:33<+wesnoth-discord-> just to see what i think of it 20180202 22:50:41<+wesnoth-discord-> Okay. 20180202 22:50:49<+wesnoth-discord-> I want someone to write a campaign about creating the third sun lol 20180202 22:50:58<+wesnoth-discord-> Is it as hard as the last scenario of THoT? 20180202 22:51:01<+wesnoth-discord-> unless the idea was that everything is a joke then, well the ending was a poor joke xD 20180202 22:51:15<+wesnoth-discord-> wait 20180202 22:51:35<+wesnoth-discord-> Oh yeah also Hamel, is it okay if I let Reljab die in the Return of the Abyss 20180202 22:51:36<+wesnoth-discord-> first scenario 20180202 22:51:44<+wesnoth-discord-> does it make a difference throughout the whole campaign if he dies or not? 20180202 22:51:46<+wesnoth-discord-> i dont know i played thot when i was a kid xD 20180202 22:52:28<+wesnoth-discord-> No, it doesn't. 20180202 22:52:39<+wesnoth-discord-> He is presumed to die anyway. 20180202 22:52:49<+wesnoth-discord-> Just don't lose the loyal units. 20180202 22:53:10<+wesnoth-discord-> it is certainly doable but seems tedious the strategy is to first kill the first wave of units and then when ai will start recruiting from the income there ist he harder part, push so that you wont lose units 20180202 22:53:29<+wesnoth-discord-> ah alright :3 20180202 22:53:35<+wesnoth-discord-> oh ok 20180202 22:53:36<+wesnoth-discord-> 13 scenarios 20180202 22:53:40<+wesnoth-discord-> okay 20180202 22:53:52<+wesnoth-discord-> i think noone dialogue only 20180202 22:54:39<+wesnoth-discord-> @Meta Mirage Just be sure to recruit, position, and attack right, and don't lose too many units. 20180202 22:55:06<+wesnoth-discord-> okay ;) 20180202 22:55:57<+wesnoth-discord-> Btw the author of the campaign is Japanese, that explains the translation, the 2 japanese campaigns i played had poor translation, this one has better translation of the two 20180202 22:56:28<+wesnoth-discord-> oh ok 20180202 22:56:44<+wesnoth-discord-> Oh thats cool :D 20180202 22:56:50<+wesnoth-discord-> :3 :p 20180202 22:58:39<+wesnoth-discord-> Ah, another thing about the end that tilted me, speaking about creating suns, the girl's mother says that "the king will create second sun if you don't kill me" 20180202 22:59:19<+wesnoth-discord-> too many campaigns try to mess with shadowm's story and most do it in a poor way 20180202 22:59:24<+wesnoth-discord-> this is definitely one of the poorer 20180202 22:59:59<+wesnoth-discord-> Well i am not sure if she mentioned killing her but ultimately that is what you had to do 20180202 23:02:59<+wesnoth-discord-> and what are your faw campaigns 20180202 23:03:36<+wesnoth-discord-> i mean you two's fav 20180202 23:04:50<+wesnoth-discord-> wait what campaign is this 20180202 23:05:04<+wesnoth-discord-> girl undead 20180202 23:05:36<+wesnoth-discord-> I think the ones he has listed under his universe are mine and vultraz's 20180202 23:05:56<+wesnoth-discord-> which one is vultraz's 20180202 23:06:04<+wesnoth-discord-> lol in the return from the abyss campaign, I laughed so hard when the Dwarf (second scenario) said to the elf "Bah, what are you going to do, plant trees in our caves?" LOLOL 20180202 23:06:05<+wesnoth-discord-> it was just a single mention of the second sun 20180202 23:06:09<+wesnoth-discord-> shadows of deception, incomplete 20180202 23:06:11<+wesnoth-discord-> They also make the elves seem like such a hostile race lol :P\ 20180202 23:06:21<+wesnoth-discord-> oh ok, so i hadn't missed anything 20180202 23:06:31<+wesnoth-discord-> what is it going to be about 20180202 23:07:10<+wesnoth-discord-> crimson conure: if i was elf i would say: yeah XD trees in caves are in a few campaigns 20180202 23:07:44<+wesnoth-discord-> it hasn't been updated in like 2 years 20180202 23:09:37<+wesnoth-discord-> t seems that it is his only campaign 20180202 23:10:05<+wesnoth-discord-> the description is too vague 20180202 23:10:24<+wesnoth-discord-> yeah 20180202 23:10:26<+wesnoth-discord-> you make better descriptions xD 20180202 23:10:43<+wesnoth-discord-> should i download it and try 20180202 23:10:56<+wesnoth-discord-> is it worth it 20180202 23:11:28<+wesnoth-discord-> eh 20180202 23:11:34<+wesnoth-discord-> 😂 20180202 23:11:47<+wesnoth-discord-> lol xD I just like how fearless the dwarves are, like anybody can threaten them and the dwarf is like "What you going to do, blast furnace my caves? xD" 20180202 23:12:41<+wesnoth-discord-> Well it is hard to threaten somebody who can make an impenetrable fortress out of his home 20180202 23:12:46<+wesnoth-discord-> ;p 20180202 23:13:00<+wesnoth-discord-> Yumi: have you played it 20180202 23:13:26<+wesnoth-discord-> it says 6 scenarious outof 12 20180202 23:14:04<+wesnoth-discord-> 10 thousand undead threaten a dwarf king "Bah, what you gonna do, have a picnic in my cave? We supply you, we are your bastion, we give you weapons and we give you cave protection. Hahaha, this is like rat to mouse, bah!" 20180202 23:19:36<+wesnoth-discord-> @Meta Mirage If you're on scenario 3 now, prepare for a lot of enemies. 20180202 23:19:45<+wesnoth-discord-> Dwarf could block all the entrances into the caves and considering wesnoth mechanics ud would never break in, and dwarf can always push out because ulfs are infinite damage per hex, it all makes sense xD 20180202 23:20:29<+wesnoth-discord-> And they are quite stubborn. 20180202 23:20:30<+wesnoth-discord-> XD 20180202 23:20:50<+wesnoth-discord-> "Ye left this land. This is my land now!" 20180202 23:21:55<+wesnoth-discord-> There aren't many dwarf campaigns in wesnoth because dwarf vs ai is too easy xD 20180202 23:22:20<+wesnoth-discord-> XD yes 20180202 23:22:40<+wesnoth-discord-> The last level of THoT is hard, but not too bad. 20180202 23:23:18<+wesnoth-discord-> 1 human side vs 7 AI sides. 20180202 23:24:36<+wesnoth-discord-> Ok now I see what shadows of deception are about Elynia's past and story of zhangor cult, of course! 20180202 23:25:25<+wesnoth-discord-> Zhangor? Isn't that mentioned in UtBS, with Zochthanol? 20180202 23:26:32<+wesnoth-discord-> precisely, no 20180202 23:26:44<+wesnoth-discord-> or at least i am 90% sure it is not 20180202 23:26:45<+wesnoth-discord-> im on scenario three lol xD 20180202 23:26:51<+wesnoth-discord-> I mean mentioned by the fish lady thing. 20180202 23:26:59<+wesnoth-discord-> hmmm 20180202 23:27:00<+wesnoth-discord-> @Not Hamel Should I upgrade my leader to the fast swordsman guy, or the guy that has the bow? 20180202 23:27:04<+wesnoth-discord-> Didn't she mention that? 20180202 23:27:14<+wesnoth-discord-> Bow, definitely. 20180202 23:27:17<+wesnoth-discord-> ah 20180202 23:27:51<+wesnoth-discord-> Like the fish lady mentioned the Demon Lord Zhangor or something. 20180202 23:27:59<+wesnoth-discord-> could be but i thought the name of the guardian of darkness was the only name mentioned in that campaign, not of zhangor though it could be 20180202 23:28:16<+wesnoth-discord-> what was the name of the Eloh... 20180202 23:28:38<+wesnoth-discord-> Zhocanthal 20180202 23:28:41<+wesnoth-discord-> or whatever 20180202 23:28:46<+wesnoth-discord-> something like that 20180202 23:28:53<+wesnoth-discord-> no it wasnt that 20180202 23:29:08<+wesnoth-discord-> I'll check using google proxy 20180202 23:29:15<+wesnoth-discord-> Yehnagoth 20180202 23:29:35<+wesnoth-discord-> i think it was yehnagoth 20180202 23:29:47<+wesnoth-discord-> ahh yes 20180202 23:29:54<+wesnoth-discord-> Zhocthanal was the isle 20180202 23:30:03<+wesnoth-discord-> yes exactly 20180202 23:30:17<+wesnoth-discord-> yep Yechnagoth 20180202 23:30:23<+wesnoth-discord-> just checked 20180202 23:30:51<+wesnoth-discord-> could you also check what fish prophetess said 20180202 23:31:02<+wesnoth-discord-> was there really zhangor 20180202 23:31:44<+wesnoth-discord-> yes just a sec 20180202 23:33:07<+wesnoth-discord-> UtBS, Out of the Frying Pan: Eloh: Kaleh, I am Eloh, bearer of the staff of Ishtar and slayer of the demon-god Zhangor. Do as I say! Submit to him or I will abandon your people to suffering and death. Your bones will litter the sand dunes, and vultures shall pick at your flesh. I am not a forgiving god, Kaleh. 20180202 23:33:13<+wesnoth-discord-> zhangor was mentioned by fake eloh 20180202 23:33:19<+wesnoth-discord-> so not the fish lady 20180202 23:33:27<+wesnoth-discord-> I have played shadows of deception 20180202 23:33:30<+wesnoth-discord-> but yechnagoth or whatever 20180202 23:33:59<+wesnoth-discord-> vultraz just hasn't had time to work on it I think 20180202 23:34:08<+wesnoth-discord-> ask him about it 😂 20180202 23:34:30<+wesnoth-discord-> also same scenario: Esanoo: My master thought you might be suspicious. She said that what we must talk with you about concerns the fate of your people. Apparently it concerns "Yechnagoth" and "Zhangor". She said that you would understand, Kaleh. 20180202 23:35:06<+wesnoth-discord-> https://wiki.wesnoth.org/CampaignDialogue:UTBS I just use ctrl + f to search for it. 20180202 23:35:26<+wesnoth-discord-> so after all fish didn't say it 20180202 23:36:00<+wesnoth-discord-> by the way I might be able to finish the next scenario by tomorrow so you can play it 20180202 23:36:13<+wesnoth-discord-> I suspected that the name may have been mentioned somewhere there but when i played it i didnt think it was important, just like the name of the wielder of her staff 20180202 23:36:15<+wesnoth-discord-> I'll send you a zip of the files you need 20180202 23:36:25<+wesnoth-discord-> oh just found it Melusand: That is very interesting. In truth, I'd never heard of Zhangor before when I told Esanoo to mention him to you, Kaleh. Let me explain. When Eloh appeared to you, I was able to use my powers to eavesdrop on your conversation. I did not know how much you suspected, but I did not want to cause panic by openly revealing who was actually speaking to you. I had hoped to convince you to come here so I could 20180202 23:36:25<+wesnoth-discord-> reveal the truth to you in person. That's why I made those elusive references to Yechnagoth and Zhangor, hoping that Kaleh would make the connection between Eloh and Yechnagoth, and be curious enough to seek me out. My mistake was that I did not realize that Yechnagoth would move so fast. I am sorry that discovering her true identity carried such a high price for your people. 20180202 23:36:48<+wesnoth-discord-> after all it could have been put there just for sake of the story 20180202 23:37:06<+wesnoth-discord-> the page has his name 22 times 20180202 23:37:27<+wesnoth-discord-> ok I will wait 20180202 23:37:35<+wesnoth-discord-> Zhul: It all started in the years before the Great Fall. The elves of Wesmere Forest were masters of the arcane magics. They valued knowledge above all else and specialized in divination, seeking to scry out the secrets of the other races. In their scrying they attracted the notice of the demon Zhangor. Zhangor appeared to them in the guise of a beautiful elven youth and told them that a great darkness was coming, which would 20180202 23:37:35<+wesnoth-discord-> destroy all the knowledge that they had collected. He said if they worshiped him as a god he would protect them and reveal unto them knowledge and magics that they could only dream of. But he wanted more; he demanded a blood sacrifice of one elf a month. Some of the elves were revolted, but most were tempted by the prospect of even greater power, and so they bowed down and worshiped him as their god. Those few who protested his ascendancy 20180202 23:37:36<+wesnoth-discord-> were the first to be thrown into jails and sacrificed. 20180202 23:37:45<+wesnoth-discord-> Shadows of deception looks nice by the first scenario 20180202 23:38:15<+wesnoth-discord-> it's not AtS but it's okay 20180202 23:38:35<+wesnoth-discord-> but he stopped working on it so I'm a lot farther along now 20180202 23:38:55<+wesnoth-discord-> and that spell system, it is very interesting, you see, it is part of the same story, same world but your campaign, shadows of deception and ats each have its own rather unique mechanicas 20180202 23:38:59<+wesnoth-discord-> mechanics 20180202 23:39:04<+wesnoth-discord-> "You don't believe me that this kid is gonna give us power? Then die!" 20180202 23:39:12<+wesnoth-discord-> yours has that rpg like fae advancement shadows of deception has spells 20180202 23:39:13<+wesnoth-discord-> XD 20180202 23:39:19<+wesnoth-discord-> though of course yours is in a different cycle 20180202 23:39:34<+wesnoth-discord-> just you wait until the second genesis 20180202 23:39:57<+wesnoth-discord-> im going to make a more advanced rpg system 20180202 23:40:13<+wesnoth-discord-> So, it is canon Wesmere became xenophobic and insane. 20180202 23:40:26<+wesnoth-discord-> With Zhangor. 20180202 23:41:11<+wesnoth-discord-> And then it collapsed in itself. 20180202 23:42:35<+wesnoth-discord-> Ok, I never doubt in your ability to surprise me and add in crazy, unexpected mechanics xD every scenario of genesis you added recently surprised me xD 20180202 23:44:10<+wesnoth-discord-> eg silent night it was like WE HAVE TO GO DEEPER, and even in the black forest the woses were surprising, caerleon scenario also was surprising in its own way 20180202 23:45:33<+wesnoth-discord-> Nyryone description is: FIXME 20180202 23:46:06<+wesnoth-discord-> Elynia has insane hp 20180202 23:46:45<+wesnoth-discord-> This is amazing, I might ask Horus to add elvish apprentice into PYRA 20180202 23:46:46<+wesnoth-discord-> What's genesis about? 20180202 23:46:54<+wesnoth-discord-> This unit is so interesting 20180202 23:47:13<+wesnoth-discord-> It is a bit complicated but generally it is about 3 fae 20180202 23:47:48<+wesnoth-discord-> Horus added in Anya so why not Elynia 20180202 23:48:10< Amany> wesnoth-discord-: why u speak with sth between < > all of the time?;-) 20180202 23:49:05<+wesnoth-discord-> Because it's a bot relaying messages from Discord to IRC. 20180202 23:49:14<+wesnoth-discord-> Also, Shadows of Deception isn't about Zhangor. 20180202 23:49:26< Amany> mhm 20180202 23:49:28< Amany> confusing :) 20180202 23:49:33<+wesnoth-discord-> We see the same on our end, I think. 20180202 23:49:42<+wesnoth-discord-> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/231976805987385345/409133299693518858/Screenshot_2018-02-02_at_4.49.07_PM.png 20180202 23:50:00<+wesnoth-discord-> Also, Elynia and Anya are unique units and I'd rather not have people using them in their own content. 20180202 23:50:26<+wesnoth-discord-> There is a version of Anya's unit line using generic sprites in Era of Chaos. 20180202 23:50:32<+wesnoth-discord-> What's Genesis about? 20180202 23:50:40<+wesnoth-discord-> Sorry I have to ask this what does IRC stand for and what is it may play a lot of games but don't know a lot when it comes to this stuff 20180202 23:50:43<+wesnoth-discord-> But Elynia is completely unique and not meant to be a regular unit in any way whatsoever. 20180202 23:50:51<+wesnoth-discord-> Internet Relay Chat 20180202 23:51:15<+wesnoth-discord-> IRC is basically the oldest extant chat platform, developed circa 198 20180202 23:51:15<+wesnoth-discord-> genesis is the prequel to after the storm and invasion from the unknown 20180202 23:51:27<+wesnoth-discord-> so you'd have to play them first 20180202 23:51:29<+wesnoth-discord-> Oh fair thanks 20180202 23:51:33<+wesnoth-discord-> okay 20180202 23:51:38<+wesnoth-discord-> *1989 20180202 23:51:42<+wesnoth-discord-> not necessarily bit highly recommended 20180202 23:51:45<+wesnoth-discord-> but 20180202 23:51:52<+wesnoth-discord-> hi 20180202 23:52:17<+wesnoth-discord-> Hello. 20180202 23:52:32<+wesnoth-discord-> Also I played after the storm and invasion from the unknown and highly recommend 20180202 23:52:38<+wesnoth-discord-> It 20180202 23:52:40<+wesnoth-discord-> ^ 20180202 23:52:49<+wesnoth-discord-> Cool. 20180202 23:52:56<+wesnoth-discord-> im already playing Invasion from The Unknown 20180202 23:53:02<+wesnoth-discord-> im on the 4th scenario 20180202 23:53:05<+wesnoth-discord-> I played them too, they're really good :p 20180202 23:53:13<+wesnoth-discord-> very funny haha 20180202 23:53:15<+wesnoth-discord-> so far its promising, like the new doom faction, the demon units 20180202 23:53:25<+wesnoth-discord-> and how it ties into canon even tho its fanmade content 20180202 23:53:25<+wesnoth-discord-> 😑 20180202 23:53:50<+wesnoth-discord-> Has ageless era which I think is still the biggest era out there faction wise right? 20180202 23:53:54<+wesnoth-discord-> i think so 20180202 23:53:59<+wesnoth-discord-> look up pick your recruits armageddon shadowm, there is Anya, that is regenerating night fairy. I am not sure how exactly her levels were called 20180202 23:54:00<+wesnoth-discord-> also can i post addon campaign spoilers here? 20180202 23:54:43<+wesnoth-discord-> Yeah. Forgot who did it, but someone did with Girl UnDead 20180202 23:55:06<+wesnoth-discord-> k 20180202 23:55:20<+wesnoth-discord-> maybe just say it's a spoiler at the top of your post 20180202 23:55:34<+wesnoth-discord-> @EoZ Do you know who the maintainer of that add-on is? 20180202 23:55:40<+wesnoth-discord-> Wait...isn't that the campaign where you have desert elves and start out in a forest and these humans that are in black armor attack and you flee into a cave after a bit? 20180202 23:55:43<+wesnoth-discord-> well about IFTU so far im liking its tie-ins into canon, Malin Keshar has some amusing sarcasm 20180202 23:55:48<+wesnoth-discord-> no, not desert elves 20180202 23:55:52<+wesnoth-discord-> regular elves 20180202 23:55:57<+wesnoth-discord-> huh 20180202 23:56:03<+wesnoth-discord-> Yes, i do 20180202 23:56:16<+wesnoth-discord-> I seem to remember the Desert Hunter in there somewhere. 20180202 23:56:23<+wesnoth-discord-> of course the unit is not called anya but it is obvious its anya because she regenerates 20180202 23:56:24<+wesnoth-discord-> its a custom normal elf variant of it 20180202 23:56:29<+wesnoth-discord-> Elven Hunter, not Desert Hunter 20180202 23:56:32<+wesnoth-discord-> ok 20180202 23:56:45<+wesnoth-discord-> pretty much youre an elven warrior, you get attacked by the dark armor humans (i think they're called Doom or something) 20180202 23:56:48<+wesnoth-discord-> Anyone played 'To Lands Unknown'. Campaign still my favourite campaign of all 20180202 23:57:23<+wesnoth-discord-> TLU is the only campaign I ever finished 20180202 23:57:34<+wesnoth-discord-> then you take the news to the main elven base, defend from the evil humans (or kill their leaders), then retreat in the cave where you have to defeat Malin Keshar, and at the end you convince him to join your side (so you can train undead starting with the 4th scenario) 20180202 23:57:48<+wesnoth-discord-> i havent gone past the 4th scenario yet tho 20180202 23:57:49<+wesnoth-discord-> ahh i remember that 20180202 23:58:00<+wesnoth-discord-> with the bandits and orcs? 20180202 23:58:01<+wesnoth-discord-> oh 20180202 23:58:05<+wesnoth-discord-> 4th scenario yes 20180202 23:58:13<+wesnoth-discord-> and also a few ghosts and scorpions i think 20180202 23:58:25<+wesnoth-discord-> it has the thirst mechanic from Under The Burnins Suns goo 20180202 23:58:26<+wesnoth-discord-> @Meta Mirage How's scenario 3 going for you on RftA? 20180202 23:58:27<+wesnoth-discord-> *Burning 20180202 23:58:32<+wesnoth-discord-> oh cool 20180202 23:58:44<+wesnoth-discord-> played it during the summer, i think 20180202 23:59:06<+wesnoth-discord-> unlike UTBS tho i may be able to fend better with it because i have Malin Keshar and his undead, so i can have more troops that are immune to thirst 20180202 23:59:14<+wesnoth-discord-> I hope elvish apprentice will be added XD it will be even cooler and tankier than Malin Keshar haha XD 20180202 23:59:15<+wesnoth-discord-> where as in UTBS you only have the desert elves who all get affected 20180202 23:59:19<+wesnoth-discord-> Elvish Apprentice? 20180202 23:59:27<+wesnoth-discord-> and lol, exactly, Malin Keshar is OP 20180202 23:59:28<+wesnoth-discord-> cool 20180202 23:59:35<+wesnoth-discord-> yeah i remember that 20180202 23:59:37<+wesnoth-discord-> both in DiD and in IFTU 20180202 23:59:45<+wesnoth-discord-> yeah 20180202 23:59:47<+wesnoth-discord-> 6-2 magical ranged impact 38 hp base 4-3 mele sword 20180202 23:59:51<+wesnoth-discord-> 6 mp 20180202 23:59:56<+wesnoth-discord-> in pyra priced 16 --- Log closed Sat Feb 03 00:00:01 2018