--- Log opened Sat Feb 03 00:00:01 2018 --- Day changed Sat Feb 03 2018 20180203 00:00:01<+wesnoth-discord-> Does anyone here like the underness series as in the blind sentinel? 20180203 00:00:07<+wesnoth-discord-> yeah 20180203 00:00:13<+wesnoth-discord-> that seemed interesting 20180203 00:00:17<+wesnoth-discord-> he stomps almost anything in DiD's last scenario (had problems with the dwarves though, but i mopped the floor with the elves) 20180203 00:00:24<+wesnoth-discord-> Suprising he only kills a few orcs each year 20180203 00:00:26<+wesnoth-discord-> and in the 4th scenario of IFTU he's practically a one-man army 20180203 00:00:33<+wesnoth-discord-> yeah he was 20180203 00:00:37<+wesnoth-discord-> elvish apprentice has even more hp and has heals but less mp and has 70% forest 20180203 00:00:38<+wesnoth-discord-> i completed the first phase (as in killing the orcs) with Malin alone 20180203 00:00:42<+wesnoth-discord-> he litterally killed them all by himself 20180203 00:00:46<+wesnoth-discord-> wow 20180203 00:00:52<+wesnoth-discord-> low health? just use his melee, it has drain 20180203 00:00:55<+wesnoth-discord-> i think it should cost around.... 20 g? 20180203 00:01:03<+wesnoth-discord-> wanna do more damage? he has 2 magic attacks with great damage 20180203 00:01:14<+wesnoth-discord-> and his melee already deals considerable damage 20180203 00:01:33<+wesnoth-discord-> what are you saying malin lvl 1 doesnt have drai 20180203 00:01:37<+wesnoth-discord-> the bandits are kinda troublesome since at least for me, they seem more effective against Malin 20180203 00:01:43<+wesnoth-discord-> malin never had drain 20180203 00:01:54<+wesnoth-discord-> i meant Lich Malin 20180203 00:01:54<+wesnoth-discord-> I mean, I'd be quite afraid if a lich who was "born" centuries ago, and was famous for killing orcs showed up in front of me. 20180203 00:02:04<+wesnoth-discord-> like, in the last 2 scenarios of DiD where he becomes a lich 20180203 00:02:09<+wesnoth-discord-> yeah 20180203 00:02:12<+wesnoth-discord-> ah come on, ancient lich and lich, obviously they can handle orcs 20180203 00:02:13<+wesnoth-discord-> in the caves 20180203 00:02:18<+wesnoth-discord-> yeah XD 20180203 00:02:25<+wesnoth-discord-> i played DiD recently and i am 100% sure Malin has drain after becoming lich 20180203 00:02:41<+wesnoth-discord-> the normal lich unit does too in fact 20180203 00:02:46<+wesnoth-discord-> (and ancient lich) 20180203 00:02:50<+wesnoth-discord-> Yeah, I played it a couple months back. 20180203 00:02:58<+wesnoth-discord-> And he did have drain. 20180203 00:03:01<+wesnoth-discord-> (DiD) 20180203 00:03:06<+wesnoth-discord-> pretty cool imo, i liked Malin's story though i did find a cliffhanger ending a bit underwhelming 20180203 00:03:19<+wesnoth-discord-> yeah 20180203 00:03:28<+wesnoth-discord-> i do like that there's dialogue depending on the outcome though, the foolish heroes do talk about what Malin might have been before being a Lich 20180203 00:03:45<+wesnoth-discord-> Question about recalling in campaigns 20180203 00:03:55<+wesnoth-discord-> Does a unit recall always cost 20, regardless of the unit's level? 20180203 00:03:56<+wesnoth-discord-> i was surprised to see the bandits that managed to kill him once for me talk about who he might have been 20180203 00:03:58<+wesnoth-discord-> cool touch 20180203 00:03:59<+wesnoth-discord-> like if its lvl 1, lvl 2, or lvl 3 20180203 00:04:00<+wesnoth-discord-> yes 20180203 00:04:02<+wesnoth-discord-> okat 20180203 00:04:05<+wesnoth-discord-> shadowm: I checked and it is dusk faerie lvl 1 night nymph lvl 2 and nightshade fire lvl 3 without a doubt anya 20180203 00:04:27<+wesnoth-discord-> lvl 1 30 hp base regenerates 6 mp flies 6-3 ranged magical 4-2 mele magical 20180203 00:04:29<+wesnoth-discord-> costs 26 20180203 00:04:36<+wesnoth-discord-> anyways i recently started working on a campaign, progress has been slow though, since its a brand new universe, not in Wesnoth's lore 20180203 00:04:40<+wesnoth-discord-> Personally, besides HttT, my favorite mainline campaign is NR and L, though DiD is quite nice too. 20180203 00:04:52<+wesnoth-discord-> my only problems with DiD are these: 20180203 00:05:14-!- Bhoren [~Bhoren_wh@2a01:e0a:c:2150:28d9:965d:453e:ac83] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20180203 00:05:16<+wesnoth-discord-> 1) wish they'd have done more with Malin's former friends and relatives, like Drogan or Dela (or whatever is the name of Malin's sister) 20180203 00:05:37<+wesnoth-discord-> they seemed to mostly serve as enemies (Dela in 2 missions, alongside a random paladin) 20180203 00:05:43<+wesnoth-discord-> and 2) the last scenario of course 20180203 00:05:51<+wesnoth-discord-> out of the mainline I liked DiD a lot, did and utbs are my favourite 20180203 00:05:52<+wesnoth-discord-> otherwise i liked it 20180203 00:06:04<+wesnoth-discord-> second after them is delfador memoirs 20180203 00:06:06<+wesnoth-discord-> i heard a lot of good things about UTBS but even on easy it's hard for me lol 20180203 00:06:11<+wesnoth-discord-> yeah its quire good 20180203 00:06:15<+wesnoth-discord-> thirst mechanic owns me everytime on the 2nd mission 20180203 00:06:16<+wesnoth-discord-> *quite 20180203 00:06:34<+wesnoth-discord-> its a shame because im sure im missing out on a good story because of it 20180203 00:06:47<+wesnoth-discord-> Just keep a 3 or 2 shaman formation with units all around them 20180203 00:06:52<+wesnoth-discord-> and i do know i am doing something wrong, there must be a strategy 20180203 00:07:08<+wesnoth-discord-> I personally use Zhul and the 2 shamans, and surround them with units. 20180203 00:07:11<+wesnoth-discord-> yeah ive been thinking about it but i do want some offensive units 20180203 00:07:17<+wesnoth-discord-> Always works. 20180203 00:07:20<+wesnoth-discord-> and i dont want to train too many 20180203 00:07:22<+wesnoth-discord-> Use the ring. 20180203 00:07:24<+wesnoth-discord-> if that's a thing 20180203 00:07:31<+wesnoth-discord-> btw VYNLT if you levelled malin into lvl 4 then with correct play he can become immortal in the last scenario, ancient lich is the strongest unit in mainline. 20180203 00:07:34<+wesnoth-discord-> the ring the scorpies drop 20180203 00:07:44<+wesnoth-discord-> but, why would you want that right 20180203 00:07:47<+wesnoth-discord-> *scorpions 20180203 00:07:56<+wesnoth-discord-> yeah, i know, i had problems with the dwarves but im sure i was being irresposible and reckless because of how OP Malin was when i fought elves 20180203 00:07:58<+wesnoth-discord-> typing too fast 20180203 00:08:09<+wesnoth-discord-> Oh interesting. 20180203 00:08:17<+wesnoth-discord-> Maybe i should have pinged shadowm... 20180203 00:08:27<+wesnoth-discord-> and as for the bandits i also let myself lose to see if the campaign has an ending if i lose 20180203 00:08:38<+wesnoth-discord-> and well, it did have 20180203 00:09:06<+wesnoth-discord-> so technically DiD has 2 endings, Malin either lives and constantly fails to kill the orcs and has to fight foolish heroes in his cave to amass new forces, or he ultimately dies 20180203 00:09:23<+wesnoth-discord-> yeah 20180203 00:09:29<+wesnoth-discord-> no there is only one ending he dies 20180203 00:09:38<+wesnoth-discord-> but I think in mainline hes supposed to die 20180203 00:09:40<+wesnoth-discord-> yeah 20180203 00:09:42<+wesnoth-discord-> oh, really? 20180203 00:10:19<+wesnoth-discord-> well i was thinking that him not being that popular in terms of huge events in Wesnoth (since Malin is never mentioned in any other campaign) is probs attributed to his constant failure at defeating the orcs 20180203 00:10:20<+wesnoth-discord-> Unless you cheat and use :debug, you'll die eventually. 20180203 00:10:30<+wesnoth-discord-> still even if he supposedly died there he could have, well resurrected himself if he wasn't completely destroyed 20180203 00:10:32<+wesnoth-discord-> the Foolish Heroes become stronger im guessing? 20180203 00:10:34<+wesnoth-discord-> one way to explain iftu 20180203 00:10:37<+wesnoth-discord-> yeah 20180203 00:10:39<+wesnoth-discord-> another one is retcon 20180203 00:10:41<+wesnoth-discord-> with more gold 20180203 00:11:03<+wesnoth-discord-> well, we dont know much about ancient liches other than the fact that they are stronger than liches and even have unnatural abilities, even for a lich 20180203 00:11:04<+wesnoth-discord-> @EoZ Or, "he fought heroes until the fall. " After which, they probably stopped coming. 20180203 00:11:12<+wesnoth-discord-> i mean, the spider lich i heard about from UTBS 20180203 00:11:20<+wesnoth-discord-> ahahhaha 20180203 00:11:23<+wesnoth-discord-> Oh yes. 20180203 00:11:44<+wesnoth-discord-> what spider lich 20180203 00:11:49<+wesnoth-discord-> Mixing my least favorite creature with an undead lord. Seems nice. 20180203 00:11:50<+wesnoth-discord-> XD 20180203 00:11:58<+wesnoth-discord-> how did you got to know about a spider lich from utbs 20180203 00:12:00<+wesnoth-discord-> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jIHF8Xe-O6Y RE: Spider Lich quote probably. ' 20180203 00:12:02<+wesnoth-discord-> http://wesnoth.org/units/1.4/en_GB/Spider%20Lich.html 20180203 00:12:03<+wesnoth-discord-> this one 20180203 00:12:07<+wesnoth-discord-> XD 20180203 00:12:17<+wesnoth-discord-> @EoZ information i read 20180203 00:12:21<+wesnoth-discord-> Out of the Frying Pan 20180203 00:12:24<+wesnoth-discord-> was it in utbs 20180203 00:12:29<+wesnoth-discord-> apparently yes 20180203 00:12:33<+wesnoth-discord-> yes 20180203 00:12:37<+wesnoth-discord-> havent got far enough to confirm it but i am sure its from legit sources 20180203 00:12:48<+wesnoth-discord-> which scenario 20180203 00:12:53<+wesnoth-discord-> dunno 20180203 00:12:55<+wesnoth-discord-> Out of the Frying Pan 20180203 00:13:06<+wesnoth-discord-> In the coffin room 20180203 00:13:14<+wesnoth-discord-> before the assassin guy 20180203 00:13:32<+wesnoth-discord-> but yeah, Ancient Liches pretty much are liches who have complete mastery over necromancy, to the point of altering their physique to looks nothing like the race they use to be, so a human could like, put wings on itself, or become some kind of shade, or have multiple arms, or some shit 20180203 00:13:41<+wesnoth-discord-> (in fact the new Ancient Lich portrait HAS 4 arms) 20180203 00:14:02<+wesnoth-discord-> Or it is just the dark side of the force..... 20180203 00:14:03<+wesnoth-discord-> XD 20180203 00:14:04<+wesnoth-discord-> Ancient Liches are scary to fight. 20180203 00:14:12<+wesnoth-discord-> @bring back old portrait 20180203 00:14:18<+wesnoth-discord-> i mean sprite 20180203 00:14:31<+wesnoth-discord-> Malin most likely never went to that extreme seeing how his Ancient Lich portrait (Malin's lich portrait depends on whether or not he's Ancient Lich or not) still looks like a standard humanoid lich 20180203 00:14:33<+wesnoth-discord-> but yeah 20180203 00:14:41<+wesnoth-discord-> what sprite? 20180203 00:14:49<+wesnoth-discord-> from what i remember it was just a standard lich but stronger 20180203 00:14:54<+wesnoth-discord-> i prefer the new Ancient Lich tbh 20180203 00:15:07<+wesnoth-discord-> He's gotta be somewhat infamous among orcs, for killing orcs every year. 20180203 00:15:20<+wesnoth-discord-> Ok now i remember 20180203 00:15:23<+wesnoth-discord-> maybe but theres just one orc-focused campaign 20180203 00:15:24<+wesnoth-discord-> "Avoid the pass. Necromancer is there" 20180203 00:15:29<+wesnoth-discord-> yeah 20180203 00:15:33<+wesnoth-discord-> wait 20180203 00:15:39<+wesnoth-discord-> when does that campaign happen in comparison to DiD 20180203 00:15:39<+wesnoth-discord-> SotBE 20180203 00:15:41<+wesnoth-discord-> lemme see the chronology 20180203 00:15:51<+wesnoth-discord-> a few centuries 20180203 00:16:01<+wesnoth-discord-> tbh 20180203 00:16:06<+wesnoth-discord-> before or after DiD? 20180203 00:16:11<+wesnoth-discord-> after 20180203 00:16:14<+wesnoth-discord-> if we were to believe did and disregard iftu 20180203 00:16:31<+wesnoth-discord-> malin did shit against orcs 20180203 00:16:33<+wesnoth-discord-> IFTU isnt canon, so i do disregard it when talking about just canon 20180203 00:16:44<+wesnoth-discord-> even if i like its content so far 20180203 00:16:55<+wesnoth-discord-> gwiti ha atel from the old unfinished dark hordes did more 20180203 00:17:03<+wesnoth-discord-> and my favourite orc slayer is malifor 20180203 00:17:24<+wesnoth-discord-> that is if you consider birth of a lich canon 20180203 00:17:26<+wesnoth-discord-> Hey y'all. What did Orcs ever do to you? 20180203 00:17:44<+wesnoth-discord-> 842 YW - 858 YW is Son of the Black-Eye 20180203 00:17:48<+wesnoth-discord-> 389 YW is when DiD begins 20180203 00:17:55<+wesnoth-discord-> Chronologically: TRoW, AOI, LoW, SoF, AToTB, DiD, DM, L, HttT, NR, THoT, TSG, TEI, DW, SotBE, UtBS 20180203 00:18:05<+wesnoth-discord-> honestly i dont give a fuck about canon in wesnoth xD 20180203 00:18:17<+wesnoth-discord-> in a year iftu may as well be included in the mainline 20180203 00:18:20<+wesnoth-discord-> why? just wondering 20180203 00:18:22<+wesnoth-discord-> so yeah...imo, in that time period, the most infamy Malin would have left by that time would be just an area to be avoided and some random undead being fended off 20180203 00:18:37<+wesnoth-discord-> yeah 20180203 00:18:52<+wesnoth-discord-> i mean it is specified that Malin always fails to defeat the orcs and has to remake his forces everytime 20180203 00:19:02<+wesnoth-discord-> in the beginning there was only httt 20180203 00:19:18<+wesnoth-discord-> so if we disregard IFTU, he's pretty mcuh stuck in a loop forever or until some foolish hero powerful enough is able to destroy him 20180203 00:19:21<+wesnoth-discord-> *much 20180203 00:19:30<+wesnoth-discord-> and now library of kratemaqhy was proposed to be added into mainline as well as secrets of the ancients 20180203 00:19:39<+wesnoth-discord-> mlibrary is better than secrets btw 20180203 00:19:59<+wesnoth-discord-> im not good at following a specific lore when making my own content which is why the campaign im working on is completely outside Wesnoth lore 20180203 00:20:03<+wesnoth-discord-> (The first 4 campaigns are all close by, then the next two are kinda close, then the next 5 are close together, TSG is almost on its own, and the two after happen almost simultaneously) 20180203 00:20:06<+wesnoth-discord-> oh ok 20180203 00:20:55<+wesnoth-discord-> IMO, I think another orc or a drake one would be nice. 20180203 00:21:03<+wesnoth-discord-> we only have one orc one 20180203 00:21:08<+wesnoth-discord-> zero drake ones 20180203 00:21:17<+wesnoth-discord-> Dwarves got two, Elves for 2 or 3, Humans got....more than 3 20180203 00:21:21<+wesnoth-discord-> Undead only have one i think 20180203 00:21:22<+wesnoth-discord-> yeah 20180203 00:21:26<+wesnoth-discord-> Mermen only one 20180203 00:21:35<+wesnoth-discord-> unless you count SotA 20180203 00:21:36<+wesnoth-discord-> (im counting elves and desert elves as one by the way) 20180203 00:21:38<+wesnoth-discord-> SotA? 20180203 00:21:45<+wesnoth-discord-> 1.13 mainline 20180203 00:21:50<+wesnoth-discord-> undead 20180203 00:21:51<+wesnoth-discord-> k 20180203 00:21:56<+wesnoth-discord-> oh yea 20180203 00:22:07<+wesnoth-discord-> 9 human ones 20180203 00:22:12<+wesnoth-discord-> XD 20180203 00:22:17<+wesnoth-discord-> human bias much, wesnoth staff? xD (jk) 20180203 00:22:23<+wesnoth-discord-> XD 20180203 00:22:25<+wesnoth-discord-> #OrcLivesMatter 20180203 00:22:32<+wesnoth-discord-> #MermanLivesMatter 20180203 00:22:34<+wesnoth-discord-> add more ud xD 20180203 00:22:41<+wesnoth-discord-> #UndeadLiv- actually nvm Undead dont have lives lol 20180203 00:22:44<+wesnoth-discord-> they're dead 20180203 00:22:45<+wesnoth-discord-> XD 20180203 00:23:12<+wesnoth-discord-> They actually could be called Relives, in an alternate world. 20180203 00:23:18<+wesnoth-discord-> that sounds cool to be honest 20180203 00:23:33<+wesnoth-discord-> Coz there either Undead or Re-alive 20180203 00:23:39<+wesnoth-discord-> so Relives 20180203 00:23:45<+wesnoth-discord-> mhm 20180203 00:23:50<+wesnoth-discord-> i may use that name actually 20180203 00:23:55<+wesnoth-discord-> Cool. 20180203 00:23:58<+wesnoth-discord-> can i? 20180203 00:24:02<+wesnoth-discord-> Yeah. 20180203 00:24:23<+wesnoth-discord-> k 20180203 00:24:32<+wesnoth-discord-> I'm likely not gonna make an addon any time soon 20180203 00:24:36<+wesnoth-discord-> so yeah 20180203 00:25:18<+wesnoth-discord-> for me it will take time 20180203 00:25:23<+wesnoth-discord-> im still a beginner at stuff 20180203 00:25:26<+wesnoth-discord-> oh yeah 20180203 00:25:31<+wesnoth-discord-> i made my first map but not the scenario script 20180203 00:25:39<+wesnoth-discord-> i still need to make custom units and factions 20180203 00:25:41<+wesnoth-discord-> coding is....difficult, to say the least. 20180203 00:26:04<+wesnoth-discord-> coz you finally finished it and then it has a billion bugs 20180203 00:26:06<+wesnoth-discord-> and of course the map has to look good, which ,well, for development it looks acceptable, but once everything's done, if i find people, i will ask them to help me polish everything up 20180203 00:26:12<+wesnoth-discord-> yeah 20180203 00:26:22<+wesnoth-discord-> that is done in the community right? 20180203 00:26:29<+wesnoth-discord-> asking people to help you polish up your content 20180203 00:26:29<+wesnoth-discord-> and once you fix the bugs, you get a trillion more 20180203 00:26:30<+wesnoth-discord-> yeah 20180203 00:26:33<+wesnoth-discord-> mkay 20180203 00:27:50<+wesnoth-discord-> Personally, I would like a few campaigns where you have saurians as allies 20180203 00:28:28<+wesnoth-discord-> i will make beastfolk a faction 20180203 00:28:33<+wesnoth-discord-> They're one of wesnoth's most unique races but they're just used fill-in baddies. 20180203 00:28:42<+wesnoth-discord-> *used as 20180203 00:28:44<+wesnoth-discord-> or some kind of faction based off supernatural creatures (not necessarily undead ones) 20180203 00:28:49<+wesnoth-discord-> cool 20180203 00:28:53<+wesnoth-discord-> vampires, human +animal merges, etc 20180203 00:28:59<+wesnoth-discord-> cool 20180203 00:29:06<+wesnoth-discord-> like werewolves 20180203 00:29:18<+wesnoth-discord-> mhm 20180203 00:30:21<+wesnoth-discord-> Also, the Khalifs/Dunies are quite unique, but the're not in any mainline campaigns. 20180203 00:30:37<+wesnoth-discord-> theyre recent 20180203 00:31:08<+wesnoth-discord-> i figured 20180203 00:31:13<+wesnoth-discord-> @Meta Mirage How's the bloodbath going? XD 20180203 00:31:15<+wesnoth-discord-> (Scenario 3) 20180203 00:32:08<+wesnoth-discord-> With all the spiders, scorpions, trolls, muddies, goblins, and trolls. 20180203 00:32:09<+wesnoth-discord-> XD 20180203 00:32:17<+wesnoth-discord-> "recent" is quite relative, though 20180203 00:32:19<+wesnoth-discord-> xD 20180203 00:33:00<+wesnoth-discord-> yeah XD 20180203 00:33:11<+wesnoth-discord-> wesnoth is quite old 20180203 00:33:23<+wesnoth-discord-> 15 ish 20180203 00:33:41<+wesnoth-discord-> and Dunies came out a few years ago. 20180203 00:34:27<+wesnoth-discord-> What year was it exactly? 20180203 00:34:46<+wesnoth-discord-> 2011, I believe they were mainlined 20180203 00:34:51<+wesnoth-discord-> whoa 20180203 00:35:01<+wesnoth-discord-> I'm feeling old again now. 20180203 00:35:02<+wesnoth-discord-> XD 20180203 00:35:14<+wesnoth-discord-> 😛 20180203 00:36:37<+wesnoth-discord-> So, who was the original dev of Wesnoth? 20180203 00:38:59<+wesnoth-discord-> I remember asking a while back, but I don't remember who. 20180203 00:39:12<+wesnoth-discord-> Don't have the best memory. 20180203 00:39:15<+wesnoth-discord-> XD 20180203 00:42:52<+wesnoth-discord-> It'd be David White(Denivarius over to the right). 20180203 00:43:00<+wesnoth-discord-> Oh cool. 20180203 00:43:22<+wesnoth-discord-> legend says that he has once been playing on the server 20180203 00:43:27<+wesnoth-discord-> XD 20180203 00:43:34<+wesnoth-discord-> So he's maintained it for 15 years? 20180203 00:43:38<+wesnoth-discord-> was the Dunefolk really mainlined in 2011? I though it was more toward the end of the 1.11 cycle 20180203 00:44:07<+wesnoth-discord-> It was added in 1.9, removed for 1.10 because balance/incomplete/something, then re-added to 1.11 20180203 00:44:27<+wesnoth-discord-> yeah, that's right 20180203 00:45:13<+wesnoth-discord-> From the Complete Changelog, they were added in 1.9.6, which was released on May 9th, 2011 20180203 00:45:18<+wesnoth-discord-> @Not Hamel yeah, Saurians make for great allies. And for incredibly annoying enemies. 20180203 00:45:26<+wesnoth-discord-> yeah XD 20180203 00:45:29<+wesnoth-discord-> skirmishers are probably the most annoying foe you can face in a campaign. 20180203 00:45:55<+wesnoth-discord-> Yeah, don't like the horde of them you see twice in LoW. XD 20180203 00:46:06<+wesnoth-discord-> "you know the one key mechanic this game has that lets you keep your important units safe if you are careful? Yeah, these guys violate that." 20180203 00:46:14<+wesnoth-discord-> XD 20180203 00:46:41<+wesnoth-discord-> I like fighting saurians in the campaigns because they are one of the easier foes, they can be killed very easily 20180203 00:46:47<+wesnoth-discord-> especially when ai puts them on bad defense 20180203 00:47:18<+wesnoth-discord-> they can be killed no matter the tod, they are so vulnerable 20180203 00:47:18<+wesnoth-discord-> Be back in a few. 20180203 00:49:02<+wesnoth-discord-> I remember I think it was in iftu, you had lich keshar and you were fighting in the port, it was Tirogaz or some other port that has been mentioned in sotbe 20180203 00:49:18<+wesnoth-discord-> anyway you had undeads and you were fighting saurians, it is ridiculous 20180203 00:49:43<+wesnoth-discord-> i had draugs fighting against swarms of saurians many of them lvl 3 skirmishers but it did them no good, poor guys 20180203 00:50:05<+wesnoth-discord-> *Tirigaz 20180203 00:50:17<+wesnoth-discord-> i think it was back when the campaign was not finished yet 20180203 00:50:54<+wesnoth-discord-> first time i experienced it it was truly ridiculous, i have never owned ai so much before 20180203 00:51:48-!- Haudegen [~quassel@178.115.237.87] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180203 00:53:31-!- Narrat [~Narrat@p5DCC6707.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #wesnoth 20180203 00:55:35<+wesnoth-discord-> Yeah like the last scenario of SotA. Two of the 7 sides you eventually face are naga and saurians. You own them with undead. 20180203 00:55:58<+wesnoth-discord-> well you do have the strongest unit in the game on your side 20180203 00:56:08<+wesnoth-discord-> or no wait 20180203 00:56:10<+wesnoth-discord-> but the other sides fuck you up 20180203 00:56:12<+wesnoth-discord-> i think i confused it 20180203 00:56:24<+wesnoth-discord-> you have 2 of them 20180203 00:56:25<+wesnoth-discord-> actually 20180203 00:56:33<+wesnoth-discord-> if you level your friend 20180203 00:56:40<+wesnoth-discord-> the girl spawns with more xp 20180203 00:56:47<+wesnoth-discord-> so it is almost certain you will level her 20180203 00:57:07<+wesnoth-discord-> still i hate last scenario of sota 20180203 01:04:05<+wesnoth-discord-> Harder than the last level of THoT, and that is a pain in the butt for new/average players. 20180203 01:07:07<+wesnoth-discord-> With that chamber of dwarves, 4 dwarvish sides, and 3 undead sides with a handful of spiders. 20180203 01:07:44-!- vultraz [uid24821@wesnoth/developer/vultraz] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 20180203 01:07:58<+wesnoth-discord-> wasnt it that big dungeon crawl scenario 20180203 01:08:24<+wesnoth-discord-> yeah 20180203 01:08:36<+wesnoth-discord-> with the dwarf lich dude at the end 20180203 01:09:18<+wesnoth-discord-> and that NR dungeon crawl is a pain 20180203 01:09:22<+wesnoth-discord-> but fun 20180203 01:10:03<+wesnoth-discord-> Oh man 20180203 01:10:08<+wesnoth-discord-> on the third scenario of the Abyss 20180203 01:10:15<+wesnoth-discord-> I had just only opened up the lava cave just now, and 20180203 01:10:20<+wesnoth-discord-> its move 59/68 20180203 01:10:27<+wesnoth-discord-> Am I going to have time? I haven't even beaten the swamp monsters yet XD 20180203 01:10:40<+wesnoth-discord-> Keine zeit, keine zeit! 20180203 01:10:44<+wesnoth-discord-> oh its fine if you go over i think 20180203 01:10:52<+wesnoth-discord-> also my gold is -258 xD 20180203 01:10:58<+wesnoth-discord-> just minuses gold carryover 20180203 01:10:59<+wesnoth-discord-> XD 20180203 01:11:03<+wesnoth-discord-> lol crap xD 20180203 01:11:17<+wesnoth-discord-> i believe -5% carryover for each turn over 20180203 01:12:07<+wesnoth-discord-> did you kill the wandering spiders? 20180203 01:18:02<+wesnoth-discord-> i thought that scenario wasnt like terribly hard 20180203 01:18:06<+wesnoth-discord-> just long 20180203 01:20:22-!- celticminstrel [~celmin@unaffiliated/celticminstrel] has joined #wesnoth 20180203 01:30:12<+wesnoth-discord-> opinions on dungeon crawls? 20180203 01:30:15<+wesnoth-discord-> like/hate? 20180203 01:30:30< celticminstrel> I'd say like. 20180203 01:30:34< celticminstrel> Though I've only played a few. 20180203 01:30:35<+wesnoth-discord-> like 20180203 01:30:40<+wesnoth-discord-> same here 20180203 01:30:48< celticminstrel> Like Legend of Grimrock for example (which is also the only one I've beaten IIRC). 20180203 01:32:41<+wesnoth-discord-> I personally like A Random RPG Adventure 20180203 01:33:30<+wesnoth-discord-> You can choose human or AI dungeon master 20180203 01:35:52<+wesnoth-discord-> And there are several maps. 20180203 01:36:17<+wesnoth-discord-> Like one is that continent from Game of Thrones, I think (never seen it) 20180203 01:36:30<+wesnoth-discord-> and another is central Irdya. 20180203 01:36:40< celticminstrel> What is this thing you're talking of 20180203 01:37:24<+wesnoth-discord-> A Random RPG Adventure 20180203 01:37:29<+wesnoth-discord-> Wesnoth Add-On 20180203 01:37:37< celticminstrel> Oh. 20180203 01:37:40<+wesnoth-discord-> It can be used as a dungeon crawl 20180203 01:37:56< celticminstrel> I didn't expect to hear that someone had something dungeon-crawl-like made in Wesnoth. 20180203 01:38:11<+wesnoth-discord-> Yeah, It's pretty cool. 20180203 01:38:32<+wesnoth-discord-> You can create custom maps and have human or AI dungeon masters. 20180203 01:38:42 * celticminstrel wonders if anyone has created randomly-generated campaigns... 20180203 01:39:27< celticminstrel> Basically a campaign with one scenario that loops back on itself infinitely unless a variable is set, with a custom map generator. 20180203 01:39:45<+wesnoth-discord-> cool 20180203 01:40:00< celticminstrel> I dunno if it exists. 20180203 01:40:40<+wesnoth-discord-> okay. 20180203 01:47:29<+wesnoth-discord-> It used to exist. Mystery Campaign didn't hold up well under the mass map reformat. 20180203 01:48:30< celticminstrel> Mass map reformat? 20180203 01:48:34< celticminstrel> The 1.13 thing? 20180203 01:48:46<+wesnoth-discord-> Yes, before 1.13.6. 20180203 01:48:52< celticminstrel> ??? 20180203 01:49:07< celticminstrel> Are we talking about the thing where the map prologue was removed 20180203 01:49:12< celticminstrel> Or something else 20180203 01:49:55<+wesnoth-discord-> something else... an entire random-map campaign where gold, etc. was scaled based on # of of maps 20180203 01:50:04<+wesnoth-discord-> originated 1.8 20180203 01:50:10<+wesnoth-discord-> I ported to 1.10 20180203 01:50:23<+wesnoth-discord-> someone else managed to poart to 1.12 20180203 01:50:34< celticminstrel> No I mean what do you mean by "mass map reformat" 20180203 01:50:43<+wesnoth-discord-> but it died hard early in 1.13 due to map generation. 20180203 01:50:51<+wesnoth-discord-> Ah...the terrain code representation 20180203 01:51:44<+wesnoth-discord-> changes were so radical it wasn't possible to fix the way it used the map generator 20180203 01:52:15< celticminstrel> What changed about the terrain code representation? Just different codes, or...? 20180203 01:52:41<+wesnoth-discord-> between about 1/4 of the codes changing in big-bang fashion 20180203 01:53:02<+wesnoth-discord-> and other changes directly affecting usage of the map generator tags 20180203 01:53:47<+wesnoth-discord-> it was simply too much. The WML variable usage when I last touched it (1.10 era) wasn't that exotic so I don't think the changes there were immediately fatal 20180203 01:54:42<+wesnoth-discord-> not like the instant doom Wesband had at 1.11.1 when all lua-based modifications to units got wiped on level-up from a bugfix 20180203 01:56:27<+wesnoth-discord-> was tipped off a workaround had been introduced around 1.13.8 by the Castle of Evil Spirit SP campaign so I started trying to port Wesband to 1.13.8 20180203 01:57:29<+wesnoth-discord-> am waiting for 1.13.11 to release before restarting as 1.13.10 is Dead On Arrival for all multiplayer campaigns (including the mainline Legend of Wesmere)...patch was in two days late but I'm a dilettante 20180203 02:00:16<+wesnoth-discord-> I have custom map generators but a fully random campaign is a bit much 20180203 02:01:19<+wesnoth-discord-> Just spot-checked ... have Mystery Campaign as released at 1.13.4 on hard drive 20180203 02:01:27<+wesnoth-discord-> would need fixing to re-release 20180203 02:02:43<+wesnoth-discord-> and would rather get Wesband out first [have done easy fixes, but the string substitution kill in the lua interpreter has just about everything broken until examined] 20180203 02:33:29-!- vultraz [uid24821@wesnoth/developer/vultraz] has joined #wesnoth 20180203 02:42:57-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180203 02:43:03-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth 20180203 02:56:14-!- Narrat [~Narrat@p5DCC6707.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: They say a little knowledge is a dangerous thing, but it's not one half so bad as a lot of ignorance.] 20180203 03:25:03<+wesnoth-discord-> What's meant by a fully random campaign? 20180203 03:26:22<+wesnoth-discord-> probably like WC but more fancy 20180203 03:26:46<+wesnoth-discord-> that makes sense 20180203 03:27:32<+wesnoth-discord-> scenarios also having randomness to them in events/gameplay 20180203 03:29:34<+wesnoth-discord-> there's a simple one that doesn't have events or gameplay called Random Campaign. It serves up 4 or 7 maps depending on what era you pick 20180203 03:40:31-!- celticminstrel is now known as celmin|sleep 20180203 04:04:44<+wesnoth-discord-> Yes...part of why Mystery Campaign is low priority 20180203 04:05:52<+wesnoth-discord-> Random Campaign is similar (I think of it as "a better version" in most respects) 20180203 04:29:18<+wesnoth-discord-> I'm screwed... 20180203 04:29:18<+wesnoth-discord-> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/231976805987385345/409203663383429130/unknown.png 20180203 04:29:21<+wesnoth-discord-> What are the chances of survival for the hero unit? xD 20180203 04:29:38<+wesnoth-discord-> 4 centipedes can attack him, and 1 hit will kill him xD 20180203 04:29:48<+wesnoth-discord-> and each centipede gets 2 hits 20180203 04:29:55<+wesnoth-discord-> so I have to withstand 8 hits on 30% resistance 20180203 04:31:48<+wesnoth-discord-> the odds that at least 1 hit will be recieved are 94.2% 20180203 04:32:04<+wesnoth-discord-> aha, thank you 20180203 04:32:06<+wesnoth-discord-> wait... oops 20180203 04:32:13<+wesnoth-discord-> wrong section of my chart 20180203 04:32:14<+wesnoth-discord-> yeah I think it would be a lot higher than that 20180203 04:33:06<+wesnoth-discord-> the odds are 100% 20180203 04:33:15<+wesnoth-discord-> cause of rounding.... 20180203 04:33:44<+wesnoth-discord-> definately less than 1 time in 1000 that all 8 would miss 20180203 04:34:21<+wesnoth-discord-> the odds of at least 2 hits out of 8 are 99.9% 20180203 04:42:39<+wesnoth-discord-> wow..... 20180203 04:43:01<+wesnoth-discord-> whats the formula for calculating the odds? 20180203 04:43:33<+wesnoth-discord-> nPr or something like that? 20180203 04:47:22<+wesnoth-discord-> I think I used something like what's on this page: https://math.stackexchange.com/questions/439281/probability-of-an-event-happening-n-or-more-times 20180203 04:51:30-!- mode/#wesnoth [+o vultraz] by ChanServ 20180203 04:54:23<+wesnoth-discord-> lmao 100% because of rounding, that sucks.. xD 20180203 04:54:35<+wesnoth-discord-> even if my dwarf hero survived, then the centipedes would still be there 20180203 04:54:42<+wesnoth-discord-> at least 2 20180203 04:58:43<+wesnoth-discord-> Youre on the 4th scenario? 20180203 04:59:11<+wesnoth-discord-> With the centipede things? 20180203 05:01:23<+wesnoth-discord-> even though what I had said 100%, the game will still give you that sliver of a chance 😄 20180203 05:02:16-!- sigurdfd [sigurdfd@dynamic-acs-72-23-110-196.zoominternet.net] has quit [] 20180203 05:09:32<+wesnoth-discord-> Yeah Hamel lol 20180203 05:09:51<+wesnoth-discord-> dang Wesnoth is a good probability game, lol 20180203 05:10:03<+wesnoth-discord-> it gives you a practical example of the chances something specific can happen, like weather xD 20180203 05:13:14<+wesnoth-discord-> Yeah, except the weather predictions aren't the best here. 20180203 05:13:33<+wesnoth-discord-> If you don't like the weather, just wait 5 minutes. 20180203 05:15:41<+wesnoth-discord-> I'm not even kidding. 20180203 05:15:42<+wesnoth-discord-> xD 20180203 05:16:05<+wesnoth-discord-> I don't mind any weather lol xD 20180203 05:18:18<+wesnoth-discord-> Yeah, once the day was sunny and clear with no clouds, but 3 hrs later, it went to snowing with all the clouds, and then back 3 hrs later. 20180203 05:20:22<+wesnoth-discord-> XD it's weird here. 20180203 05:20:55<+wesnoth-discord-> It barely snew all winter, and it just decided to act up last week. 20180203 05:21:00<+wesnoth-discord-> *snowed 20180203 05:21:10<+wesnoth-discord-> getting quite tired 20180203 05:23:33<+wesnoth-discord-> lol snew :3 xD 20180203 05:23:51<+wesnoth-discord-> Well its indeed strange that we don't say snew 20180203 05:24:01<+wesnoth-discord-> because we say flew 20180203 05:24:15<+wesnoth-discord-> yeah 20180203 05:24:19<+wesnoth-discord-> and knew 20180203 05:24:29<+wesnoth-discord-> I notice one difference though 20180203 05:24:33<+wesnoth-discord-> idk if it has anything to do with it 20180203 05:24:37<+wesnoth-discord-> snow is a noun 20180203 05:24:42<+wesnoth-discord-> fly and know are not nouns 20180203 05:24:52<+wesnoth-discord-> hmm 20180203 05:25:45<+wesnoth-discord-> huh 20180203 05:26:22<+wesnoth-discord-> well, I should get to sleep, and I'll be sleeping in since I don't have work tomorrow. 20180203 05:26:38<+wesnoth-discord-> Alright, sounds cozy :p 20180203 05:26:41<+wesnoth-discord-> Take care! :] 20180203 05:26:46<+wesnoth-discord-> So, I won't be dying of tiredness next week 20180203 05:26:46<+wesnoth-discord-> XD 20180203 05:26:48<+wesnoth-discord-> xD 20180203 05:26:50<+wesnoth-discord-> thanks 20180203 05:26:59<+wesnoth-discord-> Cya 20180203 05:30:07-!- Smedles [~quassel@58.174.215.82] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 20180203 07:07:45-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180203 07:07:52-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth 20180203 08:25:55-!- 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units? 20180203 15:31:21-!- Ivanovic_ [~ivanovic@p579FBDD9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Changing host] 20180203 15:31:21-!- Ivanovic_ [~ivanovic@wesnoth/developer/ivanovic] has joined #wesnoth 20180203 15:31:28-!- Ivanovic_ is now known as Ivanovic 20180203 15:31:48<+wesnoth-discord-> Probably either Echidna or the Ghoul Mage from WotG 20180203 15:32:19<+wesnoth-discord-> I consider awaken worth more than brute force 20180203 15:32:39<+wesnoth-discord-> This isn't brute force, this is plague and 99 regen. 20180203 15:32:57<+wesnoth-discord-> * enthrallment™ 20180203 15:33:14<+wesnoth-discord-> Or three different types of plague and feeding 20180203 15:36:08-!- prophile [~alynn@oftn/oswg-member/prophile] has joined #wesnoth 20180203 15:38:14<+wesnoth-discord-> fun to think about though XD 20180203 16:35:56-!- DeFender1031 [~DeFender1@93-173-53-24.bb.netvision.net.il] has joined #wesnoth 20180203 16:36:17-!- prophile [~alynn@oftn/oswg-member/prophile] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 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me at least, Malin Keshar was an OP powerhouse at the end of DiD as an Ancient Lich lol 20180203 17:14:10<+wesnoth-discord-> I’d probably pick a human or elf because they wouldn’t stand out too much 😅 20180203 17:17:42<+wesnoth-discord-> someone easy to be around 20180203 17:19:15<+wesnoth-discord-> actually nvm maybe a yeti 20180203 17:19:35<+wesnoth-discord-> you never know, it could be a nice pet 20180203 17:21:31-!- Ivanovic [~ivanovic@wesnoth/developer/ivanovic] has quit [Quit: Caught sigterm, terminating...] 20180203 17:22:03-!- Ivanovic [~ivanovic@p579FBDD9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #wesnoth 20180203 17:22:04-!- Ivanovic [~ivanovic@p579FBDD9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Changing host] 20180203 17:22:04-!- Ivanovic [~ivanovic@wesnoth/developer/ivanovic] has joined #wesnoth 20180203 17:22:53<+wesnoth-discord-> if you’re going for a monster why not Fire Dragon though? 20180203 17:24:26-!- Ivanovic [~ivanovic@wesnoth/developer/ivanovic] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20180203 17:24:47<+wesnoth-discord-> I'm thinking an Arch Mage. He can blend in easily, and then when I need him he can easily help. 20180203 17:26:09<+wesnoth-discord-> "Help" is an interesting synonym for "fireball." 20180203 17:26:19<+wesnoth-discord-> XD 20180203 17:27:06<+wesnoth-discord-> Dwarf Lords. Is there any problem 6 Dwarf Lords can't resolve? 20180203 17:27:10<+wesnoth-discord-> coz fire dragons are intelligent and would probably eat me up 20180203 17:27:26<+wesnoth-discord-> a yeti might just be like an oversized house pet if you're nice to it 20180203 17:27:36<+wesnoth-discord-> one can dream 20180203 17:28:15<+wesnoth-discord-> Or just a Dwarvish Arcanister. 20180203 17:28:37<+wesnoth-discord-> If we're going Default only, then I'd go with Yechnagotha Necromancer 20180203 17:29:07<+wesnoth-discord-> Heck, Dwarf Lords used to be OP as crap. In 1.10 and previous versions, their ranged attack was 10-2 instead of 10-1. Which was just... 20180203 17:29:10<+wesnoth-discord-> ridiculous. 20180203 17:29:26<+wesnoth-discord-> A line of Dwarf Lords on mountains would break practically anything. 20180203 17:30:18<+wesnoth-discord-> "These be our mountains! Ye canna take them from us!" 20180203 17:31:04<+wesnoth-discord-> XD 20180203 17:33:30<+wesnoth-discord-> Even tho i'm arachnophobic, if I could defeat my fear, a Giant Spider would come in handy. 20180203 17:35:28<+wesnoth-discord-> Giant Spiders are ughhhh. 20180203 17:35:38<+wesnoth-discord-> Why does it need poision and slwo. 20180203 17:35:47-!- octalot [~steve@77.119.130.91.wireless.dyn.drei.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20180203 17:36:10<+wesnoth-discord-> Yeah that chamber in NR is a bloodbath unless you got some good units already. 20180203 17:37:39<+wesnoth-discord-> They're just so OP. 20180203 17:39:19<+wesnoth-discord-> Fuck the Spider Nest trap. 20180203 17:42:48<+wesnoth-discord-> Though imagine having one as a pet and it was trained so it wouldn't attack you. XD 20180203 17:43:17<+wesnoth-discord-> Recruitable Giant Spiders would be OP though. 20180203 17:43:44<+wesnoth-discord-> Yeah. 20180203 17:44:14-!- Ivanovic [~ivanovic@wesnoth/developer/ivanovic] has joined #wesnoth 20180203 17:50:38-!- prophile [~alynn@oftn/oswg-member/prophile] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 20180203 17:51:21-!- prophile [~alynn@oftn/oswg-member/prophile] has joined #wesnoth 20180203 17:55:12<+wesnoth-discord-> Recruitable level threes should always be kind of OP 20180203 18:04:06<+wesnoth-discord-> Mystic Jinn, of course! 20180203 18:21:18-!- Narrat [~Narrat@p5DCC6707.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #wesnoth 20180203 18:26:24-!- Ivanovic [~ivanovic@wesnoth/developer/ivanovic] has quit [Quit: Caught sigterm, terminating...] 20180203 18:26:45-!- Ivanovic [~ivanovic@p579FBDD9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #wesnoth 20180203 18:27:03-!- Ivanovic [~ivanovic@p579FBDD9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Changing host] 20180203 18:27:03-!- Ivanovic [~ivanovic@wesnoth/developer/ivanovic] has joined #wesnoth 20180203 18:27:31-!- Ivanovic [~ivanovic@wesnoth/developer/ivanovic] has quit [Client Quit] 20180203 18:27:53-!- Ivanovic [~ivanovic@p579FBDD9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #wesnoth 20180203 18:27:56-!- Ivanovic [~ivanovic@p579FBDD9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Changing host] 20180203 18:27:56-!- Ivanovic [~ivanovic@wesnoth/developer/ivanovic] has joined #wesnoth 20180203 18:28:47-!- Ivanovic [~ivanovic@wesnoth/developer/ivanovic] has quit [Client Quit] 20180203 18:29:07-!- Ivanovic [~ivanovic@p579FBDD9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #wesnoth 20180203 18:29:26-!- Ivanovic [~ivanovic@p579FBDD9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Changing host] 20180203 18:29:26-!- Ivanovic [~ivanovic@wesnoth/developer/ivanovic] has joined #wesnoth 20180203 18:39:14-!- prophile [~alynn@oftn/oswg-member/prophile] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 20180203 18:40:36-!- prophile [~alynn@oftn/oswg-member/prophile] has joined #wesnoth 20180203 18:43:06-!- sigurdfd [sigurdfd@dynamic-acs-72-23-110-196.zoominternet.net] has quit [] 20180203 18:50:56-!- Ivanovic_ [~ivanovic@p579FBDD9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #wesnoth 20180203 18:50:56-!- Ivanovic [~ivanovic@wesnoth/developer/ivanovic] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20180203 18:51:04-!- Ivanovic_ [~ivanovic@p579FBDD9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Changing host] 20180203 18:51:04-!- Ivanovic_ [~ivanovic@wesnoth/developer/ivanovic] has joined #wesnoth 20180203 18:53:02-!- Ivanovic_ is now known as Ivanovic 20180203 18:53:36<+wesnoth-discord-> Today, I learnt that Cores were a feature that apparently existed in Wesnoth. 20180203 19:06:22<+wesnoth-discord-> They exist. I don't know that there's any good documentation on how to actually use them though, or that anyone even is. 20180203 19:07:58<+wesnoth-discord-> Cores? 20180203 19:09:16<+wesnoth-discord-> There's a grand total of one skeleton of a wiki page. 20180203 19:09:39<+wesnoth-discord-> yeah 20180203 19:09:57<+wesnoth-discord-> there use to be a few basic ones implemented in Wesnoth, but IIRC those are gone now too 20180203 19:10:11<+wesnoth-discord-> From what I can gather, it's one step above an era: a grouping of factions, campaigns, eras and units 20180203 19:10:47< zookeeper> they're the equivalent of total conversions, basically. 20180203 19:11:31<+wesnoth-discord-> The forum thread for the feature: https://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=40415 20180203 19:11:51<+wesnoth-discord-> though fabi isn't contributing anymore 20180203 19:12:23<+wesnoth-discord-> so if anyone does have a working Core, adding any documentation for how to use the feature would definitely be a good thing. 20180203 19:16:15<+wesnoth-discord-> it sounds super interesting, but no time to figure it out now 😦 20180203 19:17:20<+wesnoth-discord-> also it might change significantly with the 1.14 release 20180203 19:17:24<+wesnoth-discord-> so that can be a problem 20180203 19:17:35<+wesnoth-discord-> It's a basically unused feature, as far as I can tell 20180203 19:17:59<+wesnoth-discord-> It'll probably be stable 20180203 19:22:13<+wesnoth-discord-> From a quick browse through the fabi thread, to create a core as an add-on you put a cores.cfg file in the top domain 20180203 19:25:20<+wesnoth-discord-> I'm going to go back to inflicting arcane torments on what I've now learnt is the Wesnoth (Default) core, anyway 20180203 19:44:43-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180203 19:44:52-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth 20180203 19:45:01-!- Ivanovic [~ivanovic@wesnoth/developer/ivanovic] has quit [Quit: Caught sigterm, terminating...] 20180203 19:45:22-!- Ivanovic [~ivanovic@p579FBDD9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #wesnoth 20180203 19:45:40-!- Ivanovic [~ivanovic@p579FBDD9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Changing host] 20180203 19:45:40-!- Ivanovic [~ivanovic@wesnoth/developer/ivanovic] has joined #wesnoth 20180203 19:50:46-!- Ivanovic [~ivanovic@wesnoth/developer/ivanovic] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 20180203 20:01:57-!- Ivanovic [~ivanovic@p579FBDD9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #wesnoth 20180203 20:01:57-!- Ivanovic [~ivanovic@p579FBDD9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Changing host] 20180203 20:01:57-!- Ivanovic [~ivanovic@wesnoth/developer/ivanovic] has joined #wesnoth 20180203 20:05:40<+wesnoth-discord-> Yeah fabi wanted the feature for his own mod idea 20180203 20:05:47<+wesnoth-discord-> It seems really cool but extremely niche 20180203 20:05:53<+wesnoth-discord-> And a ton of work to make good use of it 20180203 20:06:03-!- Ivanovic [~ivanovic@wesnoth/developer/ivanovic] has quit [Client Quit] 20180203 20:06:25-!- Ivanovic [~ivanovic@p579FBDD9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #wesnoth 20180203 20:06:43-!- Ivanovic [~ivanovic@p579FBDD9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Changing host] 20180203 20:06:43-!- Ivanovic [~ivanovic@wesnoth/developer/ivanovic] has joined #wesnoth 20180203 20:07:00-!- prophile [~alynn@oftn/oswg-member/prophile] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20180203 20:08:01-!- Haudegen [~quassel@178.115.237.87] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180203 20:09:27-!- prophile [~alynn@oftn/oswg-member/prophile] has joined #wesnoth 20180203 20:10:43<+wesnoth-discord-> hmm for a wesnoth bodyguard, I would probably want a spectre 20180203 20:11:06<+wesnoth-discord-> They look really cool, and guns germs and steel wont hurt them 20180203 20:11:19<+wesnoth-discord-> Spectre + Revenant. 20180203 20:11:39<+wesnoth-discord-> immune to disease, modern weapons, although maybe killable with fire? 20180203 20:12:09<+wesnoth-discord-> also in DiD when you get betrayed by darken volk 20180203 20:12:50<+wesnoth-discord-> my spectre was the one that said "Master, can you not see? He merely used you!" which I thought was sweet 20180203 20:13:34<+wesnoth-discord-> I feel like the campaign might have gone better if he'd not had his advisor 👀 20180203 20:13:43<+wesnoth-discord-> I mean, the ghost 20180203 20:13:52<+wesnoth-discord-> ? 20180203 20:14:09<+wesnoth-discord-> It agitates for fights and such 👀 20180203 20:14:39<+wesnoth-discord-> well its like pulling the mana sword 20180203 20:14:54<+wesnoth-discord-> it is thought to provoke fights and it probably does 20180203 20:15:12<+wesnoth-discord-> but its a necessary heroic action xD 20180203 20:19:09<+wesnoth-discord-> I would like to see a mana sword campaign in wesnotg 20180203 20:20:13<+wesnoth-discord-> be the change you wish to see 20180203 20:22:42<+wesnoth-discord-> ;3 good point 20180203 20:24:17-!- Haudegen [~quassel@178.115.237.87] has joined #wesnoth 20180203 20:27:45-!- vultraz [uid24821@wesnoth/developer/vultraz] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 20180203 20:37:22<+wesnoth-discord-> Oh yes I love spiders by the way 20180203 20:37:39<+wesnoth-discord-> I once picked up a garden spider and tried to kiss it 20180203 20:37:53<+wesnoth-discord-> They are cute xDD 20180203 20:38:43<+wesnoth-discord-> and I never want to kill a spider in my house, only if its a hobo spider 20180203 20:42:19-!- octalot [~steve@77.119.130.91.wireless.dyn.drei.com] has joined #wesnoth 20180203 21:17:22-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180203 21:17:28-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth 20180203 21:24:48-!- DeFender [~DeFender1@46.116.218.0] has joined #wesnoth 20180203 21:26:38-!- DeFender1031 [~DeFender1@93-173-53-24.bb.netvision.net.il] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 20180203 21:26:57-!- prophile [~alynn@oftn/oswg-member/prophile] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20180203 21:27:24-!- claymore [~claymore@unaffiliated/claymore] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20180203 21:28:19-!- prophile [~alynn@oftn/oswg-member/prophile] has joined #wesnoth 20180203 21:33:47-!- DoctorFender1031 [~DeFender1@89-139-100-33.bb.netvision.net.il] has joined #wesnoth 20180203 21:36:25-!- DeFender [~DeFender1@46.116.218.0] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 20180203 21:49:46-!- prophile [~alynn@oftn/oswg-member/prophile] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 20180203 21:50:49<+wesnoth-discord-> whats poppin squadddd 20180203 21:52:01<+wesnoth-discord-> how do i change my name to my ign 20180203 21:52:05<+wesnoth-discord-> it's LeadFox 20180203 21:52:12<+wesnoth-discord-> right click wont let me do it 20180203 21:52:40-!- prophile [~alynn@oftn/oswg-member/prophile] has joined #wesnoth 20180203 21:55:17<+wesnoth-discord-> I think you have to get a Discord Mod to do it. 20180203 21:55:47<+wesnoth-discord-> I'm pretty sure nicks are turned off for regular users. 20180203 21:56:26<+wesnoth-discord-> I think I‘ve done that. 20180203 21:56:44<+wesnoth-discord-> Okay. 20180203 22:17:22<+wesnoth-discord-> Any reason why nicknames are turned off? 20180203 22:17:44<+wesnoth-discord-> 🤔 I'm using one, too, so it was changed recently, I think 20180203 22:18:02<+wesnoth-discord-> I think just for security purposes. 20180203 22:18:18<+wesnoth-discord-> I fail to see how it would increase security 👀 20180203 22:19:23<+wesnoth-discord-> Well, if I run a server and make it public and the invite can be found by internet users, they could set their nicks to something not appropriate for the server. 20180203 22:19:58<+wesnoth-discord-> That's my reasoning for why I have the perm off on literally all of my servers for the member role. 20180203 22:20:18<+wesnoth-discord-> (Even though they aren't public, I'm paranoid) 20180203 22:21:20<+wesnoth-discord-> 🤔 but they can just change their base username at any time 20180203 22:21:52<+wesnoth-discord-> so you're not really protecting yourself, unless you would use a nickname to "censor" someone who did that? 20180203 22:22:43<+wesnoth-discord-> Yeah, that's also part of it. 20180203 22:22:46<+wesnoth-discord-> I want so badly to use examples, since that's how I like to argue, but unfortunately the examples would be inappropriate 👀 20180203 22:22:52<+wesnoth-discord-> qq 20180203 22:23:18<+wesnoth-discord-> Yeah, I like to debate that way a lot too, and I really do see your point. 20180203 22:23:53<+wesnoth-discord-> We decided to disable nicknames since they can be abused more easily than username changes, period. 20180203 22:24:13<+wesnoth-discord-> Each server has its own rules, there's no point in arguing about them. 20180203 22:24:43<+wesnoth-discord-> For sure, but that doesn't stop me from being curious why the rules are set the way they are. 20180203 22:25:39<+wesnoth-discord-> Yeah, I see both sides, but I'll respect the owners/admins choices since it is their server. 20180203 22:27:37<+wesnoth-discord-> So do you mind if I ask who actually came up with the idea for wesnoth if I'm allowed to ask or was it a team thing? 20180203 22:28:45<+wesnoth-discord-> David White first developed it, I'm pretty sure. 20180203 22:28:56<+wesnoth-discord-> (Denivarius) 20180203 22:30:01<+wesnoth-discord-> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/231976805987385345/409475636671938560/unknown.png 20180203 22:30:27<+wesnoth-discord-> Interesting. 20180203 22:30:37<+wesnoth-discord-> Hadn't seen that yet. 20180203 22:31:00<+wesnoth-discord-> IDK what got him to show up and comment, but it's pretty cool that he did 20180203 22:31:18<+wesnoth-discord-> Oh fair always wanted to know that 20180203 22:31:42<+wesnoth-discord-> Yeah that is cool. 20180203 22:31:57<+wesnoth-discord-> I believe the first version was in 03. 20180203 22:33:47<+wesnoth-discord-> I came along in I think 07 and it has come a long way since I first saw it. 20180203 22:34:22<+wesnoth-discord-> I think the earliest version I played was 1.6 20180203 22:35:07<+wesnoth-discord-> Not sure when that was out though 20180203 22:35:10-!- prophile [~alynn@oftn/oswg-member/prophile] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20180203 22:35:28<+wesnoth-discord-> 2009 20180203 22:36:39<+wesnoth-discord-> Which now that I think about it I thought I played wesnoth for longer but apparently not XD 20180203 22:36:44-!- prophile [~alynn@oftn/oswg-member/prophile] has joined #wesnoth 20180203 22:37:19<+wesnoth-discord-> But that's almost 10 years tho. 20180203 22:37:39<+wesnoth-discord-> But yeah, time flies. 20180203 22:42:29<+wesnoth-discord-> XD 20180203 23:06:40-!- prophile [~alynn@oftn/oswg-member/prophile] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20180203 23:09:19-!- prophile [~alynn@oftn/oswg-member/prophile] has joined #wesnoth 20180203 23:14:41<+wesnoth-discord-> Anyone up for a game soon? 20180203 23:16:56-!- prophile [~alynn@oftn/oswg-member/prophile] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 20180203 23:19:24-!- prophile [~alynn@oftn/oswg-member/prophile] has joined #wesnoth 20180203 23:19:32<+wesnoth-discord-> I'll play @Not Hamel. 1.12? 20180203 23:19:41-!- prophile [~alynn@oftn/oswg-member/prophile] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 20180203 23:20:26-!- prophile [~alynn@oftn/oswg-member/prophile] has joined #wesnoth 20180203 23:21:13<+wesnoth-discord-> Yeah. I use 1.12.6. 20180203 23:21:48<+wesnoth-discord-> Shall I host a game? 20180203 23:22:26<+wesnoth-discord-> Sure. I'll be right on. 20180203 23:23:58<+wesnoth-discord-> (Server name is Not-Hamel-5995. Makes it easier) 20180203 23:28:37<+wesnoth-discord-> Wow. Warsong is namely Langrisser, a bit surprising. 20180203 23:55:47-!- octalot [~steve@77.119.130.91.wireless.dyn.drei.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] --- Log closed Sun Feb 04 00:00:53 2018