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20180205 00:21:20<+wesnoth-discord-> Won my first legitimate multiplayer game in 3 years xD
20180205 00:21:33<+wesnoth-discord-> or 2 years actually
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20180205 00:22:08<+wesnoth-discord-> Cool. XD
20180205 00:22:33<+wesnoth-discord-> What did you play as?
20180205 00:22:38<+wesnoth-discord-> Loyalists
20180205 00:22:47<+wesnoth-discord-> other guy was rebels, we danced around foor the first 16 turns or so xD
20180205 00:22:57<+wesnoth-discord-> XD
20180205 00:22:59<+wesnoth-discord-> then I did an aggressive push and killed 3 and lost 4 units but took like 3 houses
20180205 00:23:02<+wesnoth-discord-> gtg
20180205 00:23:37<+wesnoth-discord-> Oh cya
20180205 00:25:11<+wesnoth-discord-> but yeah then we danced for 10 more turns xD then I pushed and killed everything and steamrolled and eventually won xD
20180205 00:25:21<+wesnoth-discord-> after I retreated ftom mu attack
20180205 00:26:20<+wesnoth-discord-> oh XD
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20180205 00:27:04<+wesnoth-discord-> I remember one of my games I played orcs with Warrior as the leader, and my opponent had the same faction and the same leader.
20180205 00:27:05<+wesnoth-discord-> XD
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20180205 00:56:58<+wesnoth-discord-> anyway good job
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20180205 02:38:21<+wesnoth-discord-> Im working to help 'repair' my eyesight
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20180205 02:38:44<+wesnoth-discord-> I have blurry eyes, but sometimes when I lose weight or I consume a lot of greens, my eyesight will increase in focus
20180205 02:38:48<+wesnoth-discord-> its strange
20180205 02:39:12<+wesnoth-discord-> So many benefits to being healthy... :)
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20180205 04:06:05<+wesnoth-discord-> Heres my wesnoth replay against the guy; my first win in multiplayer in ages xD
20180205 04:06:05<+wesnoth-discord-> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/231976805987385345/409922601922723840/2p__Hamlets_replay_Against_Czechguy.gz
20180205 04:08:09<+wesnoth-discord-> 1.12.6 btw
20180205 04:11:23<+wesnoth-discord-> oh yes I have an important battle for wesnoth question
20180205 04:11:28<+wesnoth-discord-> when you play with fog of war
20180205 04:11:41<+wesnoth-discord-> is the distance you see an object the same as the amount of hexes you can move?
20180205 04:11:50<+wesnoth-discord-> like if you can move 8 hexes, does that mean you also see 8 hexes?
20180205 04:11:53<+wesnoth-discord-> or are they different
20180205 04:15:15<+wesnoth-discord-> Sorta.
20180205 04:17:10<+wesnoth-discord-> It's the amount of hexes your units can move.
20180205 04:17:44<+wesnoth-discord-> Like, if it's all flat land around, sure.
20180205 04:18:14<+wesnoth-discord-> But if it's all mountains, you can only see 1-2 spaces away as humans.
20180205 04:22:09<+wesnoth-discord-> Ohh I see
20180205 04:22:23<+wesnoth-discord-> I like loyalists, because
20180205 04:22:31<+wesnoth-discord-> when I play undead or orcs or others like even drakes
20180205 04:22:46<+wesnoth-discord-> I fall in love with the faction, but then it feels like they are missing/incomplete
20180205 04:22:54<+wesnoth-discord-> for example, I find it hard to play against rebels as undead, because of their woses
20180205 04:23:01<+wesnoth-discord-> I hate woses, they are so hard to kill as undead
20180205 04:23:14<+wesnoth-discord-> As drakes, I struggle against loyalists and also against orcs
20180205 04:23:46<+wesnoth-discord-> And well I havent played orcs enough, but I seem to struggle against knalgans as orcs for some reason
20180205 04:24:13<+wesnoth-discord-> Loyalists, its like I have a good answer to every faction xD
20180205 04:28:35<+wesnoth-discord-> Yeah. it can seem that way.
20180205 04:29:51<+wesnoth-discord-> With the wide range of units.
20180205 04:31:01<+wesnoth-discord-> Basic units, undead killers, and specialised units.
20180205 04:32:28<+wesnoth-discord-> yeah
20180205 04:32:36<+wesnoth-discord-> The other factions are just better at one thing at the sacrifice for another.
20180205 04:33:02<+wesnoth-discord-> Someone on the forums (I think JW?) said that Undead and Drakes kill the quickest, meaning that they can both be considered the best in a way
20180205 04:33:06<+wesnoth-discord-> for being the best at ending the game fast
20180205 04:33:24<+wesnoth-discord-> Like Dwarves have good quality units, but horrible defense.
20180205 04:33:30<+wesnoth-discord-> yeah
20180205 04:33:33<+wesnoth-discord-> well, that is a bloodbath.
20180205 04:34:00<+wesnoth-discord-> with the skellies dying to the fire, and the drakes being slaughtered by the undead.
20180205 04:34:09<+wesnoth-discord-> it feels like nobody under 2000 on wesnoth ladder maybe knows how to exploit the loyalists's lack of specialties?
20180205 04:34:21<+wesnoth-discord-> yeah lol
20180205 04:34:48<+wesnoth-discord-> ooh imagine a Drake & undead vs drake & undead matchup on the Clash map xD
20180205 04:34:51<+wesnoth-discord-> the small 2v2 map lol
20180205 04:35:13<+wesnoth-discord-> ooh XD
20180205 04:35:51<+wesnoth-discord-> And the Elves are good at Guerilla, but have lower hp and damage.
20180205 04:36:12<+wesnoth-discord-> lol xD
20180205 04:36:14<+wesnoth-discord-> You just gotta take the loyalists on with your advantages.
20180205 04:36:35<+wesnoth-discord-> elves seem like they lose a lot of ground
20180205 04:36:38<+wesnoth-discord-> like a very defensive faction
20180205 04:36:47<+wesnoth-discord-> Like if you are undead, slaughter at night, and do not attack during the day.
20180205 04:36:51<+wesnoth-discord-> oh yeah
20180205 04:37:01<+wesnoth-discord-> you gotta be careful
20180205 04:37:45<+wesnoth-discord-> woses are my least favorite unit to fight xD
20180205 04:37:49<+wesnoth-discord-> out of all the lvl 1 units
20180205 04:37:53<+wesnoth-discord-> cuz I like spears and stuff in general
20180205 04:38:01<+wesnoth-discord-> spears and fire ;)
20180205 04:38:46<+wesnoth-discord-> ohh I thought you said spiders for a sec XD
20180205 04:38:58<+wesnoth-discord-> Spiders and fire XD
20180205 04:39:31<+wesnoth-discord-> but yeah me too
20180205 04:40:20<+wesnoth-discord-> Loys are good.
20180205 04:40:29<+wesnoth-discord-> But they have too many campaigns XD
20180205 04:40:37<+wesnoth-discord-> lol xD true
20180205 04:40:45<+wesnoth-discord-> I love spiders too
20180205 04:40:50<+wesnoth-discord-> Did I tell you about how I tried to kiss a garden spider XD
20180205 04:40:58<+wesnoth-discord-> aah yes XXD
20180205 04:41:01<+wesnoth-discord-> hahaha
20180205 04:41:22<+wesnoth-discord-> TRoW, DiD, AToTB, DM, L, HttT, NR, TSG, TEI.
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20180205 04:41:31<+wesnoth-discord-> all the human campaigns.
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20180205 04:42:50<+wesnoth-discord-> Humans - 9 Elves - 3 Dwarves - 2 Orcs - 1 Undead - 1 (2 if you play 1.13) Mermen - 1
20180205 04:43:20<+wesnoth-discord-> So, yeah, half the campaigns are human based.
20180205 04:43:35<+wesnoth-discord-> lol
20180205 04:43:50<+wesnoth-discord-> How many drake campaigns are there??
20180205 04:43:58<+wesnoth-discord-> 0 mainline
20180205 04:44:20<+wesnoth-discord-> Brave Wings and Flight to Freedom are drake addons.
20180205 04:44:35<+wesnoth-discord-> Those are the first 2 that come to mind.
20180205 04:44:51<+wesnoth-discord-> But, yeah, we don't have much on Drakes.
20180205 04:45:38<+wesnoth-discord-> Their island sunk, and they moved to Iryda. That's all the significant history we know.
20180205 04:46:49<+wesnoth-discord-> Meanwhile, for humans, we have like 4 major canon wars and 7 different canon rulers.
20180205 04:47:14< sevu> what about Saurians?
20180205 04:47:38<+wesnoth-discord-> Is there canon history on them?
20180205 04:47:52<+wesnoth-discord-> I'm not really sure.
20180205 04:48:44< sevu> They are everytime the evil being who attack you for the only reason that they are the bad guys
20180205 04:48:48< sevu> like nagas
20180205 04:48:49<+wesnoth-discord-> They show in TRoW, LoW, L, HttT, SotBE, UtBS, and maybe DM.
20180205 04:48:51< sevu> and orcs
20180205 04:48:57<+wesnoth-discord-> ah yeah
20180205 04:49:34<+wesnoth-discord-> (Haldrics I, II, IV, and VII, Garards I and II, Konrads I and II are the canon rulers) (Haldrics IV and VII are only mentioned, not seen.)
20180205 04:49:35< sevu> but unlike in the case of orcs I know nothing about them...nor about nagas.
20180205 04:49:42<+wesnoth-discord-> yeah
20180205 04:50:28<+wesnoth-discord-> Well, we know the Elves were there first, then the Trolls, then the Dwarves, then Humans came many years later with Undead and Orcs.
20180205 04:50:51<+wesnoth-discord-> idk about Nagas or Saurians, but they were there before Humans.
20180205 04:51:19<+wesnoth-discord-> I think the Mermen came with Lord Typhon.
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20180205 04:52:22<+wesnoth-discord-> Yeah, they're just kinda fill-ins.
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20180205 04:53:03<+wesnoth-discord-> Like, "Hmm, Orcs and Undead don't live here, but I need a scenario for story purposes, so let's do Saurians!"
20180205 04:53:55<+wesnoth-discord-> XD
20180205 04:55:44<+wesnoth-discord-> Like we have an abundance of history on the Humans, but almost 0 mainline info on the Saurians.
20180205 04:58:29<+wesnoth-discord-> We got a grand total of 9 campaigns with humans as the main units, 8 canon kings, like 14 different cities in campaigns, and a bunch more.
20180205 04:58:48<+wesnoth-discord-> Reminds me a while back of a campaign I played.
20180205 04:59:05< sevu> Maybe this is, like many games, a game where you have the perspective of humans, and fight evil, without having to think about nasty reason of why you actually do that.
20180205 04:59:12<+wesnoth-discord-> It was Across the Ocean, a very interesting saurian campaign.
20180205 04:59:26<+wesnoth-discord-> Ahh, yeah.
20180205 04:59:53<+wesnoth-discord-> Like if we were saurians, we would not have much Human views.
20180205 05:01:21<+wesnoth-discord-> We'd be worried about our swamps, and our main enemy would be.....whatever they fight.
20180205 05:01:34<+wesnoth-discord-> (what are their main enemy?)
20180205 05:02:44<+wesnoth-discord-> Which faction do you think was developed with the least amount of effor
20180205 05:03:22<+wesnoth-discord-> I feel like drakes, which would make sense since they have 0 mainline campaigns xD
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20180205 05:04:01<+wesnoth-discord-> Maybe the loyalists since we are humans.
20180205 05:04:24<+wesnoth-discord-> And it's pretty easy to base something off what you know about.
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20180205 05:04:44<+wesnoth-discord-> lol true xD
20180205 05:05:13<+wesnoth-discord-> lol wasn't there a guy that did all this surgery and makeup stuff, and then said that he identified as a female chinese dragon?? LOL xD
20180205 05:05:15<+wesnoth-discord-> But like with undead we had to think "What are necromancers like?" "What are the undead like?" "How do they fight?"
20180205 05:05:24<+wesnoth-discord-> wait what XD
20180205 05:05:56<+wesnoth-discord-> "I am a dragon. Don't disrespect me." "You're a human." XD
20180205 05:05:59<+wesnoth-discord-> Tiamat the dragon lady
20180205 05:06:01<+wesnoth-discord-> LOL xD
20180205 05:06:42<+wesnoth-discord-> If they are a dragon, then they arent going to be offended by calling a 'human' xDD
20180205 05:06:54<+wesnoth-discord-> XD
20180205 05:07:11<+wesnoth-discord-> But Fire Dragons are freaking OP in wesnoth.
20180205 05:07:50<+wesnoth-discord-> Like, my favorite Wesnoth RPG addon is Fall of Trent, and at one point you have to fight a Dragon.
20180205 05:08:09<+wesnoth-discord-> But you are likely to lose like 3 units, at least.
20180205 05:08:12<+wesnoth-discord-> XD
20180205 05:09:57<+wesnoth-discord-> sometimes i wonder who came up with the idea for some units XD
20180205 05:10:36<+wesnoth-discord-> "We need a cave enemy." "How about we do...a Giant Spider?" XD
20180205 05:11:53<+wesnoth-discord-> @Meta Mirage so how much do you like spiders?
20180205 05:17:54<+wesnoth-discord-> hmmm xD
20180205 05:18:02<+wesnoth-discord-> I love giant house spiders
20180205 05:18:08<+wesnoth-discord-> I try to pick them up in my fingers xD
20180205 05:18:16<+wesnoth-discord-> Im too scared to kiss them though, I only kiss garden spiders
20180205 05:18:45<+wesnoth-discord-> oh XD
20180205 05:19:01<+wesnoth-discord-> Interesting, because I have arachniphobia.
20180205 05:19:08<+wesnoth-discord-> lol xD I'm sorry to hear ;*
20180205 05:19:33<+wesnoth-discord-> Woke up over the holidays to see a Black Widow right by my window XD
20180205 05:19:43<+wesnoth-discord-> Well, it did wake me up XD
20180205 05:20:45<+wesnoth-discord-> oh, thanks
20180205 05:21:05<+wesnoth-discord-> idk I've just had it for years now.
20180205 05:23:19<+wesnoth-discord-> Well, I should get to sleep now. Work tomorrow. Have a good day/night.
20180205 05:25:23<+wesnoth-discord-> night :)
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20180205 05:36:40<+wesnoth-discord-> I love chess.
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20180205 12:02:56<+wesnoth-discord-> Afternoon all
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20180205 14:08:30<+wesnoth-discord-> How do you decide if a scenario would require joiner download in 1.12?
20180205 14:09:44< Ravana_> there are keys that you can use to control that
20180205 14:10:10<+wesnoth-discord-> It says it's after 1.13.0
20180205 14:11:16< Ravana_> you can just use custom terrain
20180205 14:13:30<+wesnoth-discord-> So if a scenario use [terrain_mask] it would require joiner download?
20180205 14:13:50< Ravana_> only if that mask contains custom terrain
20180205 14:15:42<+wesnoth-discord-> Seems so.
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20180205 16:15:50<+wesnoth-discord-> So, I put "Irdya" (the canon name of the continent) in google translate, and apparently in Shona it means, "Eat it".
20180205 16:16:41<+wesnoth-discord-> Unless I spelled it wrong.
20180205 16:21:49<+wesnoth-discord-> blinks
20180205 16:23:17<+wesnoth-discord-> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/231976805987385345/410108108929630208/Screenshot_2018-02-05_at_9.22.33_AM.png
20180205 16:24:28<+wesnoth-discord-> XD
20180205 16:24:44<+wesnoth-discord-> Did I spell it wrong?
20180205 16:24:52<+wesnoth-discord-> Is it Irdya or Iryda?
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20180205 16:39:51< zookeeper> (it's the world/planet, not continent)
20180205 16:40:09<+wesnoth-discord-> Oh. My bad.
20180205 16:40:14<+wesnoth-discord-> Lol eat it? xD
20180205 16:40:19<+wesnoth-discord-> XD
20180205 16:49:16< DeFender1031> 🎜 🎝 Eat it, eat it, Enemies will be defeated...
20180205 16:51:24<+wesnoth-discord-> XD
20180205 16:53:37<+wesnoth-discord-> Is the translation on purpose, or a coincidence?
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20180205 18:29:31<+wesnoth-discord-> On purpose, I suppose. The 1.13.11 release is postponed a little?
20180205 18:33:58< zookeeper> how exactly would anyone arrive at the conclusion that it would be on purpose?
20180205 18:34:48< DeFender1031> I suppose it depends on one's definition of "on purpose".
20180205 18:36:04< Ravana_> it is normal to announce release some days later
20180205 18:36:39< DeFender1031> If it means "conscious decision to not release while there are still unfixed bugs", then it would be on purpose. If it means "intentionally took longer than planned to fix bugs" then it would not be on purpose.
20180205 18:37:03<+wesnoth-discord-> In any case, 1.13.11 has indeed been postponed. Right now it's pending on some minor typo fixes.
20180205 18:37:18< zookeeper> uh...
20180205 18:37:37< zookeeper> DeFender1031, read again :p
20180205 18:38:45< DeFender1031> oh, two completely unrelated sentences in the same message.
20180205 18:39:20< zookeeper> unless coincidentally they _were_ both related. but seems unlikely.
20180205 18:39:43< DeFender1031> the large amount of both time and joins and parts between the previous messages and that one made me not think it was connected..
20180205 18:40:11< DeFender1031> okay, so then I take what I said back, and instead say "WHAT THE HECK? NO OF COURSE IT'S NOT ON PURPOSE!"
20180205 18:40:18< zookeeper> :P
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20180205 19:09:10<+wesnoth-discord-> Well, that's interesting. ^^ The first sentence does indeed refers to the former message from Not Hamel, and was a joke. The second was an unrelated question that has been answered, thank you, jyrkive.
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20180205 19:31:28<+wesnoth-discord-> I don't know why you'd think that translation is on purpose.
20180205 19:32:02< DeFender1031> Apparently it was a joke.
20180205 19:32:18<+wesnoth-discord-> I came up with a name and didn't think too much of it until it became imperative to have a name. It wasn't intended to mean anything in particular.
20180205 19:32:38<+wesnoth-discord-> Okay.
20180205 19:33:07<+wesnoth-discord-> That's for @Bitron really.
20180205 19:33:29<+wesnoth-discord-> Oh, okay.
20180205 19:34:52 * DeFender1031 chooses to believe "Irdya" loosely translates as "existence" or "everything" in Elvish.
20180205 19:35:08<+wesnoth-discord-> That would be cool.
20180205 19:35:14<+wesnoth-discord-> It's not elvish.
20180205 19:35:25< DeFender1031> (Wesnoth Elvish, of course, not Tolkien Elvish.)
20180205 19:35:44<+wesnoth-discord-> The language would predate the existence of Irdya itself.
20180205 19:36:03< DeFender1031> @shadowm based on your previous explanation it's not anything.
20180205 19:36:10<+wesnoth-discord-> Just wondering, how many canon elvish words are there? I know there are Ka'lian, and Arkan-Thoria, but are there any others?
20180205 19:36:11< DeFender1031> @shadowm what do you mean?
20180205 19:36:48< DeFender1031> @shadowm how could a language predate the planet it's spoken on?
20180205 19:36:54<+wesnoth-discord-> Like is said, it was just a joke. :)
20180205 19:37:10<+wesnoth-discord-> If you played my campaigns you'd not have to ask that question.
20180205 19:37:40<+wesnoth-discord-> And the name came from them and was adopted into mainline by a dev, so.
20180205 19:37:40<+wesnoth-discord-> I have played them all, I'm just tired right now.
20180205 19:37:49< DeFender1031> I've played some of them...
20180205 19:37:52<+wesnoth-discord-> DeFender1031: If it's the name given to it by its creator
20180205 19:38:03< DeFender1031> Ah, right. Mystical stuff.
20180205 19:38:52< DeFender1031> That still doesn't preclude the elves using that name to mean what I said... :P
20180205 19:39:03<+wesnoth-discord-> I'm just tired right now, and so I'm not thinking right.
20180205 19:39:04<+wesnoth-discord-> XD
20180205 19:39:54< DeFender1031> Also, @shadowm, you can't both not be okay with mainlining your campaigns and expect people to know them as well as mainline. :P
20180205 19:45:11<+wesnoth-discord-> As a famous person I used to know would say
20180205 19:45:21<+wesnoth-discord-> Meh.
20180205 19:54:01<+wesnoth-discord-> here, have some pudding
20180205 19:54:03<+wesnoth-discord-> 🍮
20180205 19:54:21<+wesnoth-discord-> it solves all problems
20180205 19:54:33<+wesnoth-discord-> Why does it?
20180205 19:57:40<+wesnoth-discord-> why wouldn't it
20180205 19:57:42<+wesnoth-discord-> it's pudding
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20180205 20:01:37<+wesnoth-discord-> You can swap it for a glass of chocolate map or a chest of gold as floats your boat
20180205 20:01:49<+wesnoth-discord-> > map 🤔
20180205 20:01:56<+wesnoth-discord-> * chocolate milk
20180205 20:03:02 * DeFender1031 is now imagining a chocolate-themed set of custom terrain graphics, and wonders what kind of story would lead to their use.
20180205 20:03:55<+wesnoth-discord-> that's easy
20180205 20:04:03<+wesnoth-discord-> a candy factory map
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20180205 20:12:12<+wesnoth-discord-> Anyway the name does have a meaning now. It means "the place/land of earth".
20180205 20:12:50<+wesnoth-discord-> And yes it sounds as stupid as calling our planet Earth.
20180205 20:13:25< DeFender1031> Meh.
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20180205 21:46:02<+wesnoth-discord-> oh I left my code for the core on a laptop I won't get access to until Wednesday
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20180205 22:14:18< shadowm> beep boop
20180205 22:14:32< shadowm> boop beep
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20180205 22:43:36<+wesnoth-discord-> "eat it" lol
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20180205 23:18:55<+wesnoth-discord-> aren't the zoom levels too gradual? id make each zoom level step 4x bigger
20180205 23:23:55<+wesnoth-discord-> and... what is the usecase for zooming in?
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